#instantbird log on 09 09 2011

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00:04:48 <clokep> Yes.
00:04:50 <clokep> We also have it online.
00:04:55 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org
00:06:16 <lewellyn> i want to plop it into opengrok alongside the libqq-pidgin so i can search both projects at once ;)
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00:06:45 <clokep> Alright. :)
00:06:49 <lewellyn> i seem to have ctags issues with my opengrok right now though :/
00:07:13 <lewellyn> and busy writing an app on a deadline, so i can't poke at it (or instantbird) much today
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00:10:37 <aleth> testing
00:10:53 * clokep wonders what you're testing.
00:11:10 <Mook_as> whether we're all silly enough to respond to a testing message? :D
00:11:29 <aleth> nothing spectacular, just trying to add the correct participant colors to the minimal2 style
00:12:33 <clokep> Ah.
00:12:42 <clokep> When I want a response....I usually just...
00:12:44 <clokep> instantbot: botsnack
00:12:46 * instantbot beams
00:13:42 <aleth> neat
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00:30:05 <lewellyn> instantbot: version
00:30:08 <instantbot> lewellyn: Sorry, I've no idea what 'version' might be.
00:30:09 <lewellyn> aw :)
00:30:17 <instantbot> lewellyn: I have no version!
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02:33:42 <clokep> I think I found a really strange bug.
02:33:50 <clokep> If you mouse over a link, it shows up in the status bar.
02:34:06 <clokep> And while it's there, press Ctrl+W to close the tab and the link stays in the status bar indefinitely.
02:34:12 <clokep> Until you mouseover enough link.
02:35:19 <EionRobb> the fact of the matter is that the more features you add, the more bugs you add.  so stop adding new features ;)
02:35:24 <EionRobb> ... except for file transfers
02:35:33 <clokep> :P Bah file transfers.
02:35:48 <clokep> I actually think that this bug has been there always...I just wasn't able to pin it down until recently.
02:38:23 <lewellyn> clokep: is that possibly related to the bug where if you alt-tab out and don't move your mouse, sometimes you'll see a tooltip sprout on top of whatever app you're now in?
02:39:01 <clokep> lewellyn: No idea if it's related, I've seen that in Firefox too though.
02:39:26 <lewellyn> yeah. that's why i was wondering if it might be related. istr that there was a patch attached to the firefox bug.
02:39:45 <clokep> Maybe.
02:39:47 <lewellyn> if it's related and two birds can be targeted with one projectile... ;)
02:39:53 <clokep> Bedtime, goodnight.
02:39:57 <clokep> Firefox isn't a bird! :P
02:39:59 <lewellyn> sleep well
02:40:03 <lewellyn> it was, once!
02:40:05 <clokep> Oh, you mean the status bar links?
02:40:10 <clokep> Yeah idk...
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02:40:28 <lewellyn> but sleep. i gotta finish this app so i can poke at qq
02:40:35 <lewellyn> heh. he listened as i hit enter :D
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07:10:07 <Mic> Good morning
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07:18:18 <lewellyn> hola
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08:14:59 <flo> hello :)
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09:19:17 <flo> there are probably some of the things listed there that we should apply... some day :) (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/Writing_Efficient_CSS)
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09:31:37 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 164 to WONTFIX.
09:31:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 nor, --, 0.2, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Useless dependency on libgio-2.0.so.0
09:34:28 * flo thinks bug 219 has no clear goal that would indicate when it's completed, and is neither actively used to track anything, so we could as well close it
09:34:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] Enhance the conversation window
09:34:56 <flo> some of the comments there may be worth filing specific bugs (like the "send" button idea maybe)
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09:44:58 <flo> All the gadu-gadu bugs that were reported for old versions can probably be closed. I think a recent libpurple update has seriously changed/updated the gadu-gadu plugin. Would be nice to ask the reporters if they can still reproduce before closing as WFM though.
09:51:29 <flo> hmm, I didn't remember bug 465. I would need to test it a bit
09:51:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unread status doesn't disappear when navigating to tab from keyboard
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09:58:06 <flo> ah, bug 531 :-)
09:58:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Cross program syncing (e.g. Instantbird / Thunderbird sharing account information)
09:58:16 <lewellyn> fun.
09:58:34 <lewellyn> that'd mean opening both profiles, no?
09:59:09 <flo> not sure, but Thunderbird integration is a topic I care a lot about these days :-D
09:59:13 <lewellyn> or some IPC with thunderbird
09:59:39 <flo> or a REST API
09:59:41 <lewellyn> mozilla profiles are a bit of a pita. i really wish they had redesigned the core concept instead of just taking the old communicator idea :/
09:59:49 <lewellyn> that'd be IPC ;)
09:59:55 <flo> dmose made some experiments like this.
09:59:57 <flo> yeah...
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10:04:30 <flo> clokep: do you want to keep bug 579 open?
10:04:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show whois information on tooltip for IRC buddies
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10:08:33 <lewellyn> flo: is 579 in the current nightly?
10:09:34 <lewellyn> er bug 721
10:09:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721 enh, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Participants need tooltips
10:09:45 <flo> yes
10:10:20 <lewellyn> then 579 is asking for something different :)
10:10:34 <flo> ?
10:11:40 <lewellyn> i don't see /whois info in my tooltips. nor do i see them anywhere else that's contextually appropriate for irc users.
10:12:13 <lewellyn> e.g. when you mouse over their nick in the chatbox or one of the "bubbles" with someone else's nick.
10:12:28 <flo> what do you see in the tooltip then?
10:12:48 <lewellyn> oh wtf. it just started doing it. it didn't when i asked! :/
10:13:15 <lewellyn> it still doesn't show when you mouseover in the chat area, which i had asked for the other day, myself :)
10:13:26 <lewellyn> i was going to file a bug but forgot. it would have been a dupe ;)
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10:14:08 <lewellyn> as clokep noted in comment #2, there could be whowas info more easily available for people who have parted/quit.
10:14:11 <flo> well, showing tooltips for nick names inside the chat area is a different thing
10:14:38 <flo> lewellyn: that's why I haven't closed it immediately ;)
10:15:04 <lewellyn> it would also make it easier to get rid of showing hostmasks on join/quit ;)
10:15:18 <flo> totally unrelated :-P
10:15:26 <lewellyn> but somewhat dependent! :D
10:16:21 <lewellyn> the average irc user would expect to have a way to see someone's join/part alongside their hostmask. it'd be "neat" if it were a tooltip of the joining/parting nick.
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10:17:16 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 601 to INVALID.
10:17:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Unable to get buddyIconFilename
10:17:36 <flo> lewellyn: "average" "user" and "hostmask" in the same sentence. You are kidding, right? ;)
10:17:58 <lewellyn> most people don't know what to do with it, just that it's expected ;)
10:18:27 <flo> My "average user" (= me) expects to see as little non sense in the UI as possible :)
10:18:34 <clokep> I would say 99% of people don't know or care what it is.
10:18:35 <lewellyn> i love getting to explain (all too often) why someone can't fix the "wrong" email address irc shows ;)
10:19:34 <clokep> And showing tooltips for mousing over nicks in the conversation would be kind of obnoxious. I think we could show better contextual information there.
10:20:04 <lewellyn> also, is it possible to cache the whois results? :/
10:20:28 <clokep> That's up to the protocol.
10:20:32 <lewellyn> i think that's why i see lag so often when connecting through my irssiproxy, now that i think of it.
10:20:39 <lewellyn> we're talking irc here :)
10:20:51 <aleth> flo: yes, it's clutter. there are enough IRC clients out there that display every little detail
10:21:25 <aleth> I rather like the fact that IB is crisp and clean
10:21:49 <flo> :)
10:21:53 <clokep> lewellyn: I know, but the current IRC protocol is via libpurple, it probably wouldn't be super easy to add that.
10:22:03 <flo> it takes more time than I thought to go through all the open bugs we have
10:22:12 <lewellyn> clokep: that's why i asked :)
10:22:26 <lewellyn> i haven't looked at purple's irc, at all.
10:22:30 <clokep> flo: We have too many open bugs now! Gotta fix some. ;)
10:22:36 <clokep> lewellyn: You probably don't want to...
10:22:42 <lewellyn> that's why i haven't :/
10:22:43 <flo> we can also close the irrelevant ones
10:23:04 <flo> I'm not very aggressive with WONTFIX/WORKSFORME/INVALID/INCOMPLETE ;)
10:23:37 <flo> IRC is very far from being the worst libpurple plugin. It's rather readable.
10:23:44 <lewellyn> be more aggressive with INCOMPLETE :)
10:24:30 <clokep> It actually could be useful if the tooltip waited for multiple things to be returned (or the chat buddy had an actual method to update the tooltip), so on mouseover you send out a whois, CTCP version, CTCP ping, etc.
10:24:37 <clokep> Then show all the information as it comes back.
10:24:44 <clokep> And yes, IRC isn't a bad purple, but it's still a purple!
10:24:44 <lewellyn> don't ctcp :/
10:24:56 <lewellyn> especially if it's not cached
10:25:05 <clokep> You no like CTCP? :P
10:25:33 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 609 to INCOMPLETE.
10:25:33 <lewellyn> it'll get people annoyed that they keep getting ctcp notices from the same people over and over and those people won't know why :/
10:25:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, New tab don't show up
10:25:46 <lewellyn> resolved incomplete?
10:26:11 <clokep> lewellyn: Well, yes I'd like them to be cached though...and clients are stupid that they show (and interrupt a user) by showing CTCP notices.
10:27:30 <flo> lewellyn: I suspect all these "random, serious looking, but unreproducible" bugs have the same root cause = memory corruption caused by one of the protocol plugins (with a high suspicion on MSN which causes valgrind errors indicating invalid writes!)
10:27:35 <lewellyn> clokep: some of the ctcp stuff can "leak" info, so i can see why people might want to see who's requesting it (e.g. USERINFO). and it's also a potential DoS to keep CTCPing. :/
10:28:44 <lewellyn> granted, most of us aren't on limited-bandwidth lines anymore. but still.
10:29:32 <clokep> lewellyn: That is more easily solved by having an advanced option "disable CTCP".
10:29:53 <clokep> Since many users won't know what leaking info means. ;)
10:30:02 <lewellyn> i mean the "target" of whoever instantbird users are mousing over.
10:30:07 <clokep> And if you make the client reasonable and ignore CTCP eventually...
10:30:42 <clokep> I don't see your point...aren't you just arguing that people might want to be notified? I'm saying of what I think better solutions are for clients to implement.
10:30:59 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 674 to WONTFIX.
10:31:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, xAuth support for twitter
10:31:15 <lewellyn> no... i'm arguing that ctcping by default, especially without caching, will make instantbird look like a bad irc netizen.
10:33:32 <flo> oh, I forgot to resolve bug 682?
10:33:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Reply to and retweet actions on twitter
10:34:06 <clokep> lewellyn: Where did I say CTCPing by default w/o caching?
10:34:54 <flo> clokep: you did say this looked good over IRC, right? https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=807&action=edit
10:34:56 <lewellyn> 03:24 %clokep: It actually could be useful if the tooltip waited for multiple things to be returned (or the chat buddy had an actual method to update the tooltip), so on mouseover you send out a whois, CTCP version, CTCP ping, etc.
10:35:10 <clokep> And then two lines after that I said with caching.
10:35:11 <lewellyn> also, 03:21 %clokep: lewellyn: I know, but the current IRC protocol is via libpurple, it probably wouldn't be super easy to add that.
10:35:34 <clokep> You took two totally separate comments and combined them together lewellyn.
10:35:41 <clokep> It wouldn't be implemented in the current purple.
10:35:51 <lewellyn> oh my brain ignored the first half of the second time you mentioned caching. mea culpa :(
10:36:25 <lewellyn> i'm overly multitasking atm and trying to figure out if instantbird is indeed the cause of my irc lag that i see sometimes. :/
10:36:30 <clokep> flo: Yes. Isn't that checked in?
10:36:34 <flo> yes
10:36:41 <lewellyn> it SEEMS to only happen when i have instantbird connected to the proxy :/
10:36:54 <flo> I'm just not sure of what to do with the pending review flag :-D
10:38:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 807 on bug 682.
10:38:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Reply to and retweet actions on twitter
10:38:56 <clokep> ;)
10:39:12 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 446 to WONTFIX.
10:39:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=446 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, "The bug was created successfully, but attachment creation failed." (Test on adding attachments at b
10:39:53 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 682 to FIXED.
10:39:59 <flo> clokep: do you thinkg bug 678 is of any value?
10:40:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter UI improvements
10:40:29 <flo> I'm inclined to resolve tracking bugs that don't track anything, but I'm not sure if others agree :)
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10:42:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 537 to WORKSFORME.
10:42:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=537 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Status icon not updated properly when becoming idle
10:42:59 <flo> clokep: bug 715
10:43:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add supports for tooltips in jsProtoHelper
10:43:18 <clokep> flo close bug 678, the only thing it depends on isn't really a Twitter ug.
10:43:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter UI improvements
10:43:57 <flo> there are several over twitter UI bugs, but I think it would be better to have a twitter component on bugzilla if we really wanted to track them.
10:44:11 <clokep> We do have a twitter component. ;)
10:44:12 <clokep> I added it.
10:44:37 <flo> from now on, I would like to have only tracking bugs that have a clear goal = the tracked bugs are steps to attain that goal, and we do want to reach it.
10:44:43 <flo> (and ultimately resolve the bug)
10:45:21 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 678 to INVALID.
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10:45:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Twitter UI improvements
10:45:28 <lewellyn> like bug 578? :)
10:45:30 <clokep> Makes sense. :)
10:45:31 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 585 to INCOMPLETE.
10:45:35 <clokep> Like bug 507? :P
10:45:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, QQ - Hangs when trying to get Captcha from server
10:45:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585 min, --, ---, tymerkaev, RESO INCOMPLETE, CSS cleanup
10:45:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement IRC in JavaScript
10:45:43 <lewellyn> bugspam! :D
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10:47:11 <flo1> clokep: I think 507 does have a(n implicit) goal, that will be reached when we can merge your code in nightlies
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10:47:40 <flo1> lewellyn: what about 578?
10:47:47 <lewellyn> clear goal :)
10:48:08 <lewellyn> it mentions the two possible routes of going about it, even.
10:48:18 <lewellyn> which i hope to find time to get to by monday :/
10:48:50 <flo1> lewellyn: it's not a tracking bug
10:48:54 <flo1> it's UNCONFIRMED
10:49:08 <lewellyn> btw, can you confirm it? :)
10:49:09 <flo1> and it will be resolved as WORKSFORME (hopefully) once you finish on the other actionable bug
10:49:23 <flo1> I can't no. I don't have a QQ account to reproduce
10:49:29 <lewellyn> or if i give up on it and someone does bug 576 :/
10:49:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Replace QQ with JavaScript protocol
10:49:44 <flo1> why would you give up?
10:49:49 <flo1> we can help if you are blocked on something
10:49:58 <clokep> flo: I think you feel this pain...http://xkcd.com/949/
10:50:33 <lewellyn> flo1: i don't plan to. but if it turns out that this is even worse than pidgin's qq code... :/
10:50:38 <flo1> right now, I feel the pain of linkification not working correctly ;)
10:50:52 <lewellyn> flo1: it's working fine. he forgot a space :D
10:51:06 <flo1> lewellyn: it can't be worse than something that doesn't work at all + crashes
10:51:31 <lewellyn> if it can't be made to work at all, it's the same ;)
10:52:01 <flo1> if it can not work but without crashing, it's already an improvement
10:52:16 <flo1> ah, we actually had a bug open for ipv6
10:53:14 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 374 to FIXED.
10:53:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Instantbird does not connect to IPv6 servers when available
10:54:55 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 337 to WORKSFORME.
10:54:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337 tri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Buddy list context menu broken on Mac debug build when the buddy list is not focused
10:55:30 <flo1> I'm finding more bugs to resolve than to put on my 1.1 blocking/wanted/nice-to-have tentative list
10:56:18 <flo1> clokep: do you want to use bug 715 or to dup it against the one where you are working?
10:56:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add supports for tooltips in jsProtoHelper
10:57:35 <clokep> I can put up separate patches. ;)
10:58:05 <flo1> sure, if you want it to look like you have fixed more bugs :)
10:58:09 <clokep> Leave it for now.
10:58:31 <clokep> I might seriously put up separate patches so I can get the jsProto stuff in ASAP (since I think we agreed on that code and I can get an r+ next time).
10:59:13 <flo1> uh, bug 759 :(
10:59:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reorganize purplexpcom
10:59:22 <flo1> wasn't it one of the first thing we wanted to get done after the 1.0 release? :(
10:59:38 <clokep> Yes. :-/
11:01:28 <flo1> what about bug 761?
11:01:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, JS-Socket fails to properly handle SSL errors
11:01:50 <clokep> That's legit, varuna fixed it. The changes need to be upstreamed to us.
11:01:58 <clokep> (I think I have them in my IRC-JS already.)
11:02:23 <flo1> yeah, it seems it just needs a review/check-in
11:03:38 <clokep> I'm not sure I ever checked it. :-X
11:03:41 <clokep> Any way, time for work!
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11:52:56 <aleth> I have a bug fix for the minimal 2 message style (one of the autoconverted adium ones) - how would this be best made available? 
11:53:41 <aleth> (The only difference is that %senderColor% is used where applicable)
11:54:02 <clokep_work> flo: Do we not like bug 978? Or should I change it to "Get hidden conversations ready to ship"?
11:54:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tracking bug for "Hiding conversations"
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11:54:19 <clokep_work> aleth: Ideally you'd be able to do it as an update to the old one. I'm not sure if that's possible or not though. :(
11:54:39 <clokep_work> (We should also probably pull in updates eventually from Adium again, but no one has really figured out how to do that...)
11:54:52 <aleth> The original theme has not been modified since 2006 or so
11:54:59 <aleth> and this is an IB only feature
11:55:15 <aleth> Of course it is possible that what should really be fixed is the conversion script?
11:55:58 <aleth> Anyway, I can give you the XPI if you want to put it on the add-on site as an update
11:56:20 <clokep_work> I don't have access, we'll see what flo says. :) You oculd always upload it as your own version too!
11:56:35 <clokep_work> The converter script just changes the container format AFAIK.
11:57:25 <aleth> yes, but if I upload it as my own version it 1) is against the license and 2) is kinda wrong as you would want 1.0 IB styles to actually have this capability, i.e. you'd want users to get it as an update
11:58:05 <aleth> It's not like I have changed the design in any way...
11:58:17 <clokep_work> I agree. We would need flo/Even to make you an owner.
11:58:25 <clokep_work> What license is it under? (I'm just curious...)
11:58:33 <aleth> A "custom" license
11:58:49 <aleth> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/78
11:59:06 <aleth> 34 weekly downloads seemed worth fixing ;)
11:59:36 <aleth> But I bet the same defect exists in any number of other older styles
12:00:49 <clokep_work> There's actually no license information at http://adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=1576
12:01:03 <aleth> Semi-related: bug 1025
12:01:04 <clokep_work> So I don't know if it'd be against it (unless there's a license in the code).
12:01:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1025 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add-ons marked as "works with 1.0" won't install because install.rdf not updated
12:01:31 <aleth> clokep_work: It looks like the license applied to all the adium themes at once when they were converted in bulk for IB
12:01:33 <clokep_work> I'm sure the defect exists in others...but that's what you get when you auto-convert message styles, and then add more capabilities to your own theming system. ;)
12:02:09 <aleth> clokep_work: It's no big deal - as long as one can add the fix when someone fixes it :)
12:02:23 <clokep_work> Yeah, flo or Even should be able to update it for you. :)
12:02:27 <flo1> clokep_work: 978 can be changed to "Enable ... by default" maybe?
12:02:38 <clokep_work> (Sorry, I didn't read the last paragraph last time aleth! I should stop being lazy. :-X)
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12:05:15 <flo> I think at the time we converted them, we said we would make people interested in supporting them (ideally the original authors) "owner" on AIO
12:05:53 <flo> and for bug 1025, I think the problem is that the version of remora we have doesn't return any update info for sandboxed add-ons.
12:05:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1025 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add-ons marked as "works with 1.0" won't install because install.rdf not updated
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12:07:47 <clokep_work> <whisper>We need to update remora.</whisper>
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12:10:47 <flo> clokep_work: or just understand where this is in the code and patch it? ;)
12:10:58 <flo> like we have done for the Firefox4.0 compatibility issue :-D
12:12:12 <clokep_work> Yeah, probably more reasonable. :)
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12:12:55 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 963 to FIXED.
12:12:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=963 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Participants links do not open conversation window correctly
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12:15:29 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 938 to DUPLICATE of bug 538.
12:15:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Migrate Facebook chat to use OAuth
12:15:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reimplement Facebook chat
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12:16:51 <flo> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889 <- probably invalid, but sad that nobody took the time to reply and thank for the feedback
12:16:54 <instantbot> Bug 889 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Improvements
12:18:12 <flo> bug 886 sounds like the same as the hidden conversation tracking bug
12:18:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow hiding MUCs until "interesting" events happen (i.e. being pinged)
12:19:07 <clokep_work> I I can reply to 889 now. ;) I think I got tired of replying to all that "I'm going to make one huge bug with lots of things in it!" though. :(
12:19:33 <flo> bug 833 could also need someone to take care of it / reply
12:19:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add access keys menu bar items
12:20:05 <flo> clokep_work: I can totally understand it. It bothers everybody ;)
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12:23:12 <flo> I have ~20 bug numbers on my paper list of bugs that could deserve some attention for 1.1
12:23:31 <flo> I'll show the list before changing the whiteboards
12:23:45 <flo> and then start filing the things from the roadmap that don't have a bug yet
12:27:11 <clokep_work> Sounds good. :)
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12:36:01 <Mic> Should I post "We should help people to avoid this: http://xkcd.com/949/" in bug 9 ? ;)
12:36:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9 enh, P5, ---, nobody, NEW, Support of file transfers
12:37:36 <flo> sure! :)
12:37:37 <flo> it's great
12:38:12 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 571 to FIXED.
12:38:12 <flo> and I read the Dropbox API documentation yesterday evening. We can send up to 300MB per file, and it seems very straight forward (now that we already have some mastery of OAuth :-P)
12:38:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Product & Components on bugzilla  unclear/inconsistent
12:38:35 <lewellyn> personally, i see no problems in supporting transfers provided by the protocols. (on a theoretical basis)
12:39:32 <lewellyn> it always bugs me when i try to send a small file to someone via aim/whatever and they're using a libpurple client. it becomes "ok... let me log in and put this somewhere you can get to it on the web." instead of "*poof* 3 kilobyte file!"
12:39:33 <flo> lewellyn: the problem is exposing a feature that rarely works in real life
12:39:54 <lewellyn> flo: using the name-brand clients, i haven't had a file transfer issue in years.
12:40:09 <flo> I rarely want to receive the files people used to want to send me through IM clients though
12:40:10 <clokep_work> Key words: *name-brand clients* ;)
12:40:26 <flo> lewellyn: because you haven't used these clients in years? :)
12:40:38 <lewellyn> flo: no, i usually have aim lite and msn and qq open.
12:40:56 <lewellyn> i hate the new messenger :/
12:40:58 <lewellyn> (msn)
12:41:49 <lewellyn> but yeah. im is often the easiest way to send someone a new config file to deploy behind their firewall
12:42:07 <lewellyn> it's either that or travel some miles with a usb stick with a couple of kilobytes of data ;)
12:42:41 <flo> come on, just scp it to some web location ;)
12:43:02 <lewellyn> which takes much longer than just dragging a file into the extant window.
12:43:26 <flo> which annoys the receiving person with a stupid "where should that file go?" dialog (in most clients)
12:43:28 <lewellyn> though, to be honest, i DID end up setting up a dl ticketing server not long ago due to more and more libpurple contacts.
12:43:42 <lewellyn> most clients auto-download now and show a link to it
12:43:58 <flo> bah, we will figure it out eventually
12:44:21 <lewellyn> yeah. i don't think it's invalid. just infeasible right now :/
12:44:28 <lewellyn> especially with purple.
12:44:33 <clokep_work> flo: Windows 7 finally added a default Download folder! :-D
12:44:43 <lewellyn> clokep_work: vista did that
12:44:47 <clokep_work> flo: Any opinion about bug 428, I'll do it (as I'm mucking with all that stuff anyway.)
12:44:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need Product:Addons + Components in Bugzilla
12:44:53 <clokep_work> But who uses Vista? ;)
12:45:10 <flo> people doing QA? :-P
12:45:15 <lewellyn> UWIN-VI bill-the-liz 4.6/6.0 2010-12-12 i686 i686 32/64 UWIN
12:45:36 <lewellyn> i think i've expressed my distaste for the windows 7 taskbar... ;)
12:45:49 <lewellyn> windows 7 is just 6.1 anyhow.
12:45:56 <flo> clokep_work: no strong opinion either way :-|
12:45:59 <clokep_work> Yes, so?
12:46:09 <aleth> The "jump to first unread message on restoring hidden conversation" functionality, is that something implemented in the message style or elsewhere?
12:46:11 <lewellyn> (and 8 is 6.2, just to make it confusing to those who didn't follow windows mobile versioning)
12:47:05 <clokep_work> flo: I'd rather either fix it or mark it invalid. I think there are a couple bugs that could go into those categories though.
12:47:15 <flo> aleth: I don't think it would be in the message style, even though it could probably be hacked in :)
12:47:57 <flo> clokep_work: I think there's no good answer, so do what seems best to you, and ignore those who will complain later about the decision :)
12:48:14 <clokep_work>  /ignores flo
12:48:27 * lewellyn pre-emptively complains
12:48:34 <flo> you think I'm gonna complain?
12:48:43 <flo> it's not Windows though ;)
12:49:06 <aleth> flo: I agree it should not be, but now I am not using the bubbles style it is no longer working
12:49:18 <aleth> and I am not sure why
12:49:39 <flo> no longer working?
12:49:43 <flo> It's never been implemented :-S
12:49:45 <aleth> ah
12:49:58 <aleth> strange, I thought it had been for some reason :)
12:50:05 <aleth> must have been coincidence whenever I noticed
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13:10:57 <flo> Hmm, our dictionary knows: Thunderbird, Mozilla, Firefox, but not "Instantbird". How can we fix that? :-D
13:11:31 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 428 to FIXED.
13:11:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Need Product:Addons + Components in Bugzilla
13:11:45 <clokep_work> Patch the dictionary file. ;)
13:11:49 <clokep_work> It's just a long text file I think.
13:12:00 <flo> with lots of localizations
13:13:47 <flo> hmm http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/extensions/spellcheck/locales/en-US/hunspell/dictionary-sources/mozilla-specific.txt?force=1
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13:15:21 <aleth> minimal2 with minimalFix http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4108552/minimal2-1.6.xpi
13:16:40 <clokep_work> flo: Maybe add libpurple while we're at it? :)
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13:18:32 <lewellyn> clokep_work: and some choice words used to describe libpurple? ;)
13:18:56 <flo> Nightlies?
13:22:17 <clokep_work> Is setting different statuses per account something we'd want to support?
13:23:25 <flo> making that easy for add-ons would be nice
13:29:19 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 889 to INVALID.
13:29:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Improvements
13:33:55 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 886 to FIXED.
13:33:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886 enh, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Allow hiding MUCs until "interesting" events happen (i.e. being pinged)
13:35:59 <clokep_work> Yay two more bugs closed. ;)
13:36:18 <clokep_work> Is bug 833 confirmed, do those not have accesskeys?
13:36:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add access keys menu bar items
13:43:01 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: no it is not up to date, but Set Status to and About Instantbird are still missing.
13:46:27 <clokep_work> Thanks FeuerFliege. :)
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14:54:03 <brotheroddball> Hello everyone
14:54:39 <clokep_work> Hello brotheroddball.
14:55:37 <brotheroddball> So, I'm a web designer, and I'm interested in helping out however I can... who do I talk to?
14:58:35 <clokep_work> Most likely flo, who may or may not be afk.
14:58:45 <brotheroddball> I see
14:58:52 <clokep_work> But he reads all the logs anyway, so we can talk and he'll see it. :)
14:59:04 <brotheroddball> alright
14:59:16 <clokep_work> What kind of stuff are you interested in helping out w/?
14:59:43 <brotheroddball> well, I'm okay with graphics, and pretty good with web design in general
14:59:58 <brotheroddball> I can point you to my portfolio if you like
15:00:18 <brotheroddball> I work from home, and I've decided to take one day a week and dedicate it to some worthy cause or other
15:00:29 <clokep_work> Ah, cool. :)
15:00:35 <brotheroddball> Open Source is one of my favorite things, so... here I am
15:00:43 <brotheroddball> I use Instantbird all the time
15:01:12 <clokep_work> Well we actually don't have anyone that can do graphics now AFAIK, so that would definitely be a big help!
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15:01:49 <flo> hello brotheroddball :)
15:01:57 <brotheroddball> Well, if you want an idea of what I can do: www.ezequielbruni.com
15:02:00 <brotheroddball> hello flo
15:03:29 <clokep_work> (PS Glad you like using Instantbird!)
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15:04:06 <brotheroddball> clokep_work: It does what I need it to do, and it might get webcam support sooner than pidgin :P
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15:04:27 <flo> so you need webcam?
15:04:39 <brotheroddball> not urgently, I usually use skype for that
15:04:49 <brotheroddball> but having it available for MSN and Yahoo would not hurt
15:04:57 <brotheroddball> also gTalk
15:04:59 <flo> I've been using skype for that in the last few days. A pita :-D.
15:05:21 <brotheroddball> yeah, and not enough people I know use G+
15:05:27 <brotheroddball> so Hangout isn't an option
15:05:38 <flo> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=494 may be something you can help with
15:05:41 <instantbot> Bug 494 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The instantbird.org page could benefit from some tender loving care
15:06:17 <flo> but I'm usually reluctant to "give people things to do", because finding oneself where one would enjoy to contribute is part of the fun ;)
15:06:54 <brotheroddball> well, I'm good at the front-end stuff
15:07:00 <clokep_work> Skype added a popup window on start now too. :(
15:07:01 <brotheroddball> are you using a particular CMS?
15:07:09 <clokep_work> (On Windows at least...)
15:07:20 <flo> brotheroddball: no. It's just plain HTML/PHP.
15:07:37 <clokep_work> The source is available at https://hg.instantbird.org/websites btw.
15:07:39 <brotheroddball> flo: So, a mostly static site? I can work with that... I think.
15:08:30 <flo> As the bug says, it's a bit sad that http://instantbird.org/ where we "sell" our views and show how people can contribute is less engaging than the about page (http://www.instantbird.com/about.html) where we just say who we are.
15:09:28 <brotheroddball> A little organization might help
15:09:44 <clokep_work> The Instantbird application is also not far jump from HTML/CSS (as it's in XUL/CSS) and the theme system is actually HTML/CSS/JS.
15:09:56 <brotheroddball> a big long list of bullet points tends to scare the Internet's goldfish-brained users these days
15:10:10 <flo> yeah, mostly static. Except that it changes the screenshot based on the OS in the visitor's user agent, and changes the locale of the text based on the Accept-locale HTTP header
15:10:29 <brotheroddball> uhuh, okay
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15:11:27 <brotheroddball> also, you could use an adaptive layout
15:11:38 <brotheroddball> you probably don't need to market to mobile users
15:11:54 <flo> not yet I guess
15:11:56 <brotheroddball> but your site might look a little big on some netbooks
15:12:35 <flo> You may want to talk with ecaron who spent some time a few months ago to list all the things that seemed wrong on the site for marketing concerns
15:12:38 <brotheroddball> also.... how much do you love the light brown?
15:12:58 <flo> I dislike discussions about changing colors :)
15:13:06 <brotheroddball> lol
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15:13:10 <brotheroddball> okay, fair enough
15:13:16 <flo> (they tend to go nowhere, everybody has a different opinion)
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15:13:27 <brotheroddball> so don't ask everybody
15:13:47 <brotheroddball> that's what seperate departments are for
15:13:57 <brotheroddball> *separate?
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15:14:31 <brotheroddball> sorry, I tend to be a bit abrasive sometimes
15:15:07 <flo> it's ok :). But we tend to prefer taking decisions in the open ;)
15:15:10 <brotheroddball> but it is true that when you bring too many people in on a decision
15:15:14 <brotheroddball> ....
15:16:12 <brotheroddball> It's not good to be closed off to input, I can agree with you there...
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15:18:01 <clokep_work> But you still need someone to make the decision, right.
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15:18:09 <brotheroddball> true
15:18:28 <brotheroddball> I can see about making some wire-frames as suggestions
15:18:35 <brotheroddball> do you have anywhere you'd like to start?
15:18:53 <brotheroddball> ie, instantbird.org or .com?
15:18:59 <brotheroddball> what needs help most urgently?
15:20:00 <flo> I don't perceive the .com page as broken right now.
15:20:14 <flo> people tend to be confused by the difference between the .org page and the .com site though.
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15:20:33 <brotheroddball> ah
15:20:54 <brotheroddball> you might want to give the .org a more distinct domain name
15:21:04 <brotheroddball> ie Mozilla and Firefox
15:21:08 <ecaron> brotheroddball: Can we talk about this directly?
15:21:26 <brotheroddball> ecaron sure
15:21:28 <flo> the idea is that .com is for people interested in (using) the product, and .org is for people interested by the project (why/how it's done? how can I help?)
15:21:39 <brotheroddball> ah
15:21:55 <brotheroddball> you could combine the two
15:22:01 <flo> (I'm not saying that this is a good idea. It's just what we did.)
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15:22:26 <flo> also, in a relatively near future, we may add a "donate" link on some of the pages, to help pay for the servers.
15:22:46 <brotheroddball> makes sense
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15:24:00 <clokep_work> Maybe there should be something on the .org homepage that says clearly it's for contributors, etc. and you might be interested in the .com page?
15:24:39 <brotheroddball> Personally, I think it makes more sense to simply have a "contribute" section on the .com
15:24:46 <brotheroddball> but your idea would work
15:25:42 <ecaron> Do people like brotheroddball & me pop up all the time?
15:25:59 <brotheroddball> good question
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15:28:00 <clokep_work> Unfortunately, not really. :(
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15:36:12 <flo> ecaron: I suspect it's more or less proportional to the number of happy users we have, so the better a job we do, the more people like you will pop up ;).
15:36:42 <ecaron> flo: Excellent:)
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15:55:39 <FeuerFliege> flo: Thx for fixing twitter
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16:01:27 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: thx for fixing bug 850. It’s the reason why I use the nightlies again.
16:01:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850 nor, --, 1.1a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, Twitter should start from last known tweet
16:03:05 <flo> FeuerFliege: you are welcome :)
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16:37:06 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: Glad it was annoying someone else too! :)
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16:40:02 <clokep_work> It's a little funky now if you have unread messages though. :-/
16:40:33 <flo> it probably helped me miss some ;)
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16:41:54 <lewellyn> btw, did i mention that my girlfriend is the art director for a software publisher and does the artwork for my software? (and designed the new illumos logo that's apparently not on their page yet)
16:42:01 * lewellyn just skimmed scrollback
16:43:08 <lewellyn> http://cia.vc/images/db/14/08.png if you're not familiar with their new logo :)
16:43:58 <clokep_work> I don't think you've mentioned that. ;)
16:44:46 <lewellyn> she's interested in doing more stuff for open source. but i have a hard time trying to figure out where she'd be useful.
16:45:06 <clokep_work> Logos and other artwork is always useful.
16:45:17 <clokep_work> We actually have a good amount of images in the program as well. :)
16:45:18 <lewellyn> she does ui design all day these days, so making yet more icons and gui elements isn't what she wants to do after hours ;)
16:45:42 <lewellyn> of course, she could probably be convinced once she gets tired of other things.
16:45:43 <clokep_work> Hah, as flo would say...what does /she/ want to do then? :) It's more interesting to do things that interest you.
16:47:12 <lewellyn> well, she may be staying home from work today, so maybe she'll pop on later.
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16:48:46 <clokep_work> Besides which, anything helps. Even non-technical stuff like replying to people on the mailing list...so it seems like it's more than just me. :P
16:50:10 <flo> clokep_work: I was thinking yesterday that you seem to be our "public facing person" these days, and should probably get added to that page with the team http://www.instantbird.com/about.html so that people aren't confused by that :-D
16:51:00 <clokep_work> flo: Does that mean I need some black and white artsy picture? :P
16:51:25 <clokep_work> Yeah well, it's easy to respond to emails while my code compiles. :)
16:51:32 <flo> that means I couldn't sleep yesterday :-D
16:51:45 <clokep_work> Haha.
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16:52:03 <cloke_away> (Btw does it make sense to be able to have your nick auto-change when you set an away message?)
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16:52:16 <flo> probably
16:52:33 <cloke_away> I thought so too. I'll add it to my to-do list once I can capture changes in status. :)
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17:01:10 <lewellyn> there's a mailing list?
17:01:47 <lewellyn> cloke_away: that needs to be a configurable, defaulting to off. :D
17:02:24 <lewellyn> i see this linked at least a half dozen times per day across my various channels :( http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
17:02:52 <lewellyn> i'm really surprised no one's bothered writing an updated version with as much mileage as it gets.
17:02:57 <lewellyn> like comparing it to twitter.
17:05:17 <cloke_away> lewellyn: Well by default it would be blank so it wouldn't do anything...how am I supposed to know by default what you want to chance your nick to? ;)
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17:05:37 <lewellyn> there are clients that default to things like putting |Away at the end.
17:05:46 <lewellyn> so you get things like somenick|A :/
17:06:07 <lewellyn> but most gui clients have a visual indicator of awayness, no?
17:07:33 <cloke_away> I don't know, it seems hit and miss.
17:08:03 <cloke_away> But yes we should have an indicator, there just are people who change their nick a lot to |Away or _away or |AFK or whatever, seems like we should make it easier.
17:08:14 <lewellyn> personally, i treat irc as a highly async medium
17:08:21 <cloke_away> And that link is pretty passive aggressive. ;)
17:08:26 <cloke_away> Minus the passive part I guess.
17:08:31 <cloke_away> OK.
17:08:39 <lewellyn> it's better than the channels that outright ban on that :)
17:08:58 <lewellyn> but by visual indicator, i mean like greying out the name. i thought that instantbird does it too?
17:09:04 * lewellyn isn't running it atm
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17:09:51 <cloke_away> No, we don't. :(
17:09:52 <cloke_away> We shoudl though.
17:10:44 <cloke_away> I don't see why that link is against using "/away" all it does is tell the server you're away and if someone PRIVMSGs you then it gives your message back automatically.
17:12:30 <cloke_away> I agree it's annoying changing nicks every two seconds. :)
17:16:39 <cloke_away> Anyway, as I said. It'd definitely be just an option. :)
17:17:50 <lewellyn> cloke_away: yeah. back then, bitchx was the cool thing and it announced autoaway. then people got mirc scripts to change nicks. it's harder to regex ignore a nick change, which is why it irritates people. :/
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17:18:22 <lewellyn> and it's not against /away. it's against clients announcing it to everywhere you are.
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17:27:04 <cloke_away> Oh. Yeah, clients shouldn't really announce it.
17:27:22 <cloke_away> Execpt maybe in Private messages.
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17:33:43 <flo> blocking: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=875,852,929
17:33:43 <flo> wanted: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=205,608,832,978,979,980,981,984,985,990,1000,1021
17:33:43 <flo> nice-to-have: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=108,684,976,986,1023,903
17:33:46 <flo> thoughts? :)
17:34:01 <flo> I'm driving home, we can discuss that a bit later this evening.
17:34:03 <Mook_as> first thought: you need to save that as a shared saved search ;)
17:34:15 <Mook_as> (or rather, three of them)
17:34:28 <flo> Mook_as: nope :)
17:34:45 <flo> the search will be "ib sw:1.1" as soon as we agree ;).
17:34:48 <Mook_as> that's okay, I'm not claiming it's a very good though ;)
17:34:55 <flo> with "ib" being the search key word
17:34:56 <Mook_as> s/though/thought/
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17:35:20 <cloke_away> flo: bug 894 needs to be a blocker I think.
17:35:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Default ICQ settings are wrong
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18:13:15 <lewellyn> i wouldn't mind seeing 1020 on one of the lists ;)
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18:17:15 <cloke_away> The "capturing of unknown commands" could definitely be done fairly easily.
18:27:57 <cloke_away> Well I mean either could be done, but that one is easier I think. :)
18:29:02 <lewellyn> i figured both should be far from "hard" ;)
18:29:43 <cloke_away> Depends if someone has the motivation to do either of them more so (and what we think the "proper" thing to do is anyway).
18:30:40 <lewellyn> i think the more useful option is to pass to the server
18:30:48 <lewellyn> unless there's a /raw or /quote, anyhow :)
18:31:24 <lewellyn> also, i just looked at bug 900 and bug 1003...
18:31:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, "Join chat" dialog to remember previous usage
18:31:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Discover this network" for IRC (list channels, topics,..)
18:31:42 <lewellyn> i'm not sure what you have in mind, but /list is probably not a wise idea. :/
18:31:55 <lewellyn> it's a great way to meet "Excess Flood" ;)
18:32:19 <lewellyn> i think that pretty much invalidates 1003 :/
18:33:04 <Mook_as> chatzilla seems to usually do something sensible there, though
18:33:15 <lewellyn> orly. i haven't used chatzilla in years.
18:33:22 <lewellyn> i'll have to play with it in a while.
18:33:31 <Mook_as> it hasn't changed that much in years, either, :p
18:35:24 <lewellyn> i don't recall it having a useful alternative to /list
18:35:45 <cloke_away> Except /list is what the spec would call for in that situation. :P Although we could force a search term of a certain length and then list should give reasonable results.
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18:38:02 <cloke_away> You could also cache / page the data possible so you're only doing a few requests at once.
18:38:09 <cloke_away> Although I forget exactly what /list will return. :(
18:38:36 <Mook_as> the IRC -> Join Channel... dialog?
18:38:58 <Mook_as> (does caching, filtering by topic or name, and sorting by number of participants)
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18:55:16 <aleth> flo: another "wanted" bug for 1.1, should probably be tracked in 978: 1001
19:03:21 <lewellyn> Mook_as: it's not doing a plain /list
19:03:25 <lewellyn> i'll wireshark it later
19:03:41 <lewellyn> i just checked it briefly
19:05:19 <Mook_as> you can also look at the source, somewhere in hg.mozilla.org ;)
19:05:57 <cloke_away> It's also on mxr somewhere under comm-central / seamonkey / extensions or something. ;)
19:07:21 <lewellyn> Mook_as: faster to wireshark ;)
19:07:39 <lewellyn> and less likely to make me grab a drink :/
19:07:49 <lewellyn> i remember the last time i looked at chatzilla's source...
19:09:31 <cloke_away> Bah Mission Control Desktop stuff is confusing. :(
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21:30:33 <flo> I hoped there would be ideas for removing things from the list, not for adding pet bugs :-D
21:30:50 <flo> (although some of the requests are probably valid)
21:33:36 <aleth> I'd say 205 is nice-to-have because there is an add-on for that already
21:34:23 <flo> instantbot: bug 205
21:34:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Auto-complete nicknames in multi-user chats (MUCs)
21:34:46 <flo> it was in my wanted list, wasn't it?
21:34:46 <aleth> so that would be a downgrade on the list ;)
21:35:43 <aleth> since you asked for such...
21:35:50 <flo> but the add-on doesn't work right on twitter
21:36:04 <flo> and I've more or less promised that feature already
21:36:29 <aleth> oh, I hadn't noticed that bug yet
21:37:04 <flo> there's nothing to notice
21:37:20 <flo> it's just that it completes "<nick>:" and twitter users expect "@<nick>"
21:37:20 <aleth> I just hadn't used the add-on on twitter
21:39:07 <aleth> Anyway, would you like to check/upload my bugfix for the minimal2 style to the add-on site? (Only change is to add %senderColor% so MUC participants are displayed with the right color)
21:41:37 <flo> honestly I would be more inclined to find a volunteer to become administrator of that website and let me forget that it exists :-D.
21:42:26 <flo> (I've no clue of how we can grant administrator privileges though, ahah :))
21:43:05 <flo> aleth: seriously though, we will (help you) get that done.
21:43:19 <flo> but I'm not very motivated for that this evening.
21:43:20 <aleth> sorry, you'd need to find someone with web admin skills for that... 
21:43:24 <aleth> no worries
21:43:58 <flo> maybe email team@instantbird.org?
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21:44:13 <flo> this way both Even and me will have the email around, and I won't unstar it until it's done
21:44:24 <flo> (or contact@instantbird.org if you want it public)
21:44:31 <flo> (it = the email)
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21:45:17 <aleth> it's not a big fix or anything, but the style is quite popular, so seems worth sharing. and the message style has no active author
21:45:31 <aleth> I'll send an email
21:47:50 * flo currently working on the "have a bank account for the non profit" feature
21:47:58 <flo> checking that I have all the papers I need for that
21:48:08 <flo> I've an appointment at the bank tomorrow
21:48:23 <flo> and of course I've just noticed that I miss one of the papers I'll need :-D
21:48:37 <aleth> don't you just hate it when that happens :(
21:50:00 <flo> yeah, well
21:50:11 <flo> I guess I'll just reprint it and sign it :-S
21:50:20 <flo> It should have Even's signature too but... oh well
21:50:51 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1026 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
21:50:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1026 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Context menu for email addresses in conversations
21:51:14 <aleth> Surely it can always be supplied by post later if necessary
21:51:51 <flo> yeah, there are other papers that he'll need to sign anyway
21:52:28 <flo> + last time I saw him, the banker didn't seem to be of the kind that create pointless problem whenever possible, so I'm not worried :-D
21:54:27 <Mook_as> just make sure the paperwork doesn't say your banking owns all your money XD
21:54:34 <Mook_as> s/banking/banker/
21:55:04 <flo> Mook_as: I'm in France :)
21:55:25 <Mook_as> flo: that's why you get a chance that he doesn't already!
21:55:46 <flo> stupid contracts that nobody should ever sign have no value here
21:56:39 <flo> a court can decide a contract has no legal value if it decides it's not fair :-D.
21:56:53 <flo> (well, that's not exactly the legal words of course, but that's the idea behind)
21:57:46 <Mook_as> yeah. for one thing, the exact legal words would be in French :p
21:57:55 <flo> very true!
21:58:10 <flo> a contact that is not written in French has no legal value either :-D
21:58:23 <flo> *contract
21:58:39 <flo> (even when the people contracting are not French)
21:59:20 <Mook_as> that makes sense. you would need the judges (or whoever) to be able to read it.
21:59:39 <flo> yeah
22:00:26 <flo> the laws usually make (some) sense, especially at the time they were created. But decades or years after, they are sometimes a bit funny :)
22:00:32 <flo> s/years/centuries/
22:00:57 <flo> aleth: do you have the permission to confirm/edit bugs in bugzilla already?
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22:01:28 <aleth> oops
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22:02:04 <aleth> flo: no
22:02:09 <flo> boo, crashed :(
22:02:28 <aleth> MSN?
22:02:37 <flo> no idea
22:02:44 <flo> but most likely memory corruption
22:03:04 <flo> (free is usually not supposed to crash)
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22:08:58 <flo> ok, now you do.
22:21:03 <flo> aleth: hmm how do you put an email address link?
22:21:10 <flo> (in an IM I mean)
22:21:22 <flo> (when I do it's filtered away it seems)
22:22:19 <aleth> If you scroll up in this chat, you gave me an email address
22:22:36 <aleth> it appeared for me underlined and highlighted, as one would expect
22:24:20 <aleth> flo: I have found the problem: Changing to the bubbles style, email addresses are not highlighted
22:24:38 <aleth> Must be a nifty feature of minimal 2 (which I was still using)
22:24:46 <flo> hmm team@instantbird.org ?
22:24:49 <aleth> yes
22:25:06 <flo> it's (currently) not underline/highlighted for me :-S
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22:25:49 <aleth> flo: you are probably using the bubbles style?
22:25:55 <flo> yes
22:26:17 <aleth> Yeah, like I said, I was using minimal 2, so the highlighting must be in the message style
22:26:38 <aleth> Odd that it would be missing from bubbles (which is more elaborate after all)
22:26:47 <flo> but I think that function would need to allow mailto for us to display links for emails: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/imContentSink.jsm#78
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22:27:43 <aleth> Still, "Copy address" on right click would be a start
22:28:46 <flo> we do have a "Copy Email Address" context menu item
22:29:11 <aleth> But it is not working for me?
22:30:18 <flo> I'll need to look at what you magic theme does
22:30:50 <flo> but the display for email addresses is apparently broken for all themes
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22:37:49 <aleth> Strange, it did not look like the best coded theme ever
22:37:55 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1027 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
22:37:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1027 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow to turn off the "double click to reply to <someone>" feature
22:40:01 <aleth> At first glance, can't see where it's giving email addresses a different style
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23:04:09 <Mic> Quite a lot of work on Bugzilla today.. thanks for fixing the categories, clokep :)
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23:16:56 <flo> Good night :)
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