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11:56:02 <clokep_work> Anyway, lewellyn: Seems like libqq just needs some MSVC compile stuff fixed (I think), but that was just a cursory look over it.
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14:50:10 <aleth> HTML5 context menus might be useful for something someday (context menus for messages?) https://secure.flickr.com/photos/codepo8/6100537101/
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15:23:56 <clokep_work> aleth: Could definitely be helpful.  I'm not sure how much of what shows up in conversations we consider to be "content" though.
15:24:03 <clokep_work> (I.e. not controlled by us.)
15:26:43 <Mic> aleth, clokep_work: true, and extensions can already customize the menu as they like.
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15:45:15 <ecaron> I know I've still got stuff to work on, but anyone have time for an unrelated marketing idea?
15:45:40 * clokep_work is taking lunch in 10 minutesish.
15:45:54 <ecaron> Does anyone ever listen to the TWiT network? Specifically FLOSS Weekly? (http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly)
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15:47:22 <clokep_work> No, I've heard it mentioned before, but I don't listen to podcasts anymore.
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15:48:27 <ecaron> I think they've got all their speakers lined up for Q3, but what about proposing a Pidgin/Instantbird show to them?
15:48:57 <ecaron> (I'd say just instantbird, but pidgin hasn't been on it yet and it seems odd to mention us before them - right?)
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15:51:13 <ecaron> Is there anyone that'd be willing to be a guest on the show to represent the project? (ideally flo, of course)
15:51:30 <clokep_work> What kind of stuff do they talk about?
15:51:38 <clokep_work> (Yes, flo should be the one.)
15:51:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1012 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
15:51:43 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 801 to bug 1012.
15:51:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Regression: missing borders on the contact list
15:51:48 <ecaron> FLOSS = free, libre open source software
15:52:02 <flo> a native english speaker would probably be better
15:52:07 <ecaron> So they talk to people leading interesting open source projects and the roadmap, challenges and interesting aspects of it
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15:52:34 <ecaron> flo: If you're 20% as good speaking as you are writing, you'll be 200% better than the typical guests
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15:53:37 <clokep_work> Mic: Is it there when the scrollbar is there?
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15:53:42 <ecaron> I'll happily craft the subject/body of the email and figure out the address it should go to, but I think the proposed speaker should send it (and reformat it to match their phrasing)
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15:53:45 * Mic doesn't like finding out when a regression happened.
15:54:06 <Mic> uuh :(
15:54:20 <clokep_work> ("Is it" meaning the border.)
15:54:20 <Mic> It's there ... and it's on the wrong side of the scrollbar :(
15:54:31 <clokep_work> Bleh that's gross.
15:54:38 * ecaron Thinks anyone that enjoys finding a regression is probably an alien
15:55:10 <flo> Mic: the fix is probably easy :)
15:55:30 <clokep_work> I'll listen to a couple of podcasts, I might be interested, just that I haven't been around that long and can't discuss the struggles as well as flo could obviously. ;)
15:55:34 <flo> sounds like a CSS rule needs to be moved from the blistbox to the notification box
15:56:09 <flo> clokep_work: I would need to listen to a couple of the postcasts too before saying if I can /am williing to do it :)
15:56:26 <ecaron> Let me figure out a couple to recommend, the last one as a trainwreck
15:56:40 <clokep_work> Haha. (Maybe we should listen to it, to see what not to do? :P)
15:56:56 <clokep_work> Also the fully scrollable conversation list + contact list together works really well. :)
15:57:17 <ecaron> It was 2 developers for the Apache Traffic Server, which is a full proxy server developed by Yahoo, it is like 12 years old and is incredibly stable.
15:57:42 <ecaron> The interesting part of the podcast is talking about the current problems, the new features and the requests. Any project that stable is just, well, boring.
15:57:53 <aleth> Here's another possibility for the context bubbles: http://i.imgur.com/yvRhi.png
15:58:34 <ecaron> I liked this episode about Selenium - http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/161
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15:59:01 <clokep_work> aleth: What about that is different then the current theming?
15:59:15 <clokep_work> Alright. I'll check it out.
15:59:24 <clokep_work> They're not like 90 minutes long I hope.
15:59:40 <aleth> clokep_work: the bubble interior is transparent
15:59:42 <ecaron> They're 50 minutes...
16:00:35 <ecaron> Another interesting one is about voltDB - http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/149. But full list is at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly and any relevant project is typically good. But last weeks is what got me thinking about how good a show on Instantbird/Pidgin would be.
16:01:44 <aleth> clokep_work: maybe its clearer here http://i.imgur.com/q9CFI.png
16:01:48 <clokep_work> Bleh 50 minutes is long. I'll put it on while I work though...
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16:02:12 <ecaron> clokep_work: They're very zone-out-and-in friendly:)
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16:02:32 <clokep_work> :) Alright. I need to find headphones...
16:02:38 <clokep_work> aleth: I'll have to check it out later when I'm on Instantbird.
16:02:59 <ecaron> flo & clokep, one of you will ping me if you want to go ahead w/ it and i'll do the gruntwork in putting you in touch w/ the host?
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16:05:02 <clokep_work> Yup.
16:05:07 <clokep_work> Is there any use in the video?
16:05:14 <ecaron> None that I've ever found.
16:05:17 <clokep_work> (Do they show the applications or is it just them talking?)
16:06:01 <clokep_work> OK. :)
16:06:11 <ecaron> I've never actually watched one. I've watched some other shows before, but I can't recall any FLOSS episodes ever mentioning "on the screen..."
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16:08:27 <clokep_work> Seems to be just them talking...listening tot he selenium though. :)
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16:19:01 <Mic> aleth: the background doesn't connect well with the indicator  (the thing that makes it look like a speech bubble) then :(
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16:20:46 <aleth> Mic: Yes, that's very true
16:21:00 <aleth> Still, it's a one-line hack, not a proposed finished solution ;)
16:22:14 <aleth> Interestingly, it still looks better with the desaturation left in http://i.imgur.com/uTSc1.png
16:24:05 <aleth> I suppose your svg-instead-of-image-files project would resolve that problem ;)
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16:26:11 <aleth> Or one would have to make a separate unfilled version of all the indicator bitmaps :|
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16:27:35 <aleth> What I like about it is that it completely removes the need for an additional separator
16:28:33 <aleth> (which might make flo happy)
16:30:09 <aleth> on the other hand, maybe it's too gray? Just wanted to throw it out there...
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16:39:41 <clokep_work> ecaron: This podcast is making me think we should make more tests. :P
16:40:13 <ecaron> clokep_work: Don't worry, that'll pass:)
16:44:18 <clokep_work> I hope so!
16:44:24 <clokep_work> Seems pretty good though.
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18:16:40 * Mic has a fade-in effect for participants now.. quite nice actually :)
18:17:59 <Mic> Only for joining though .. animating before the remove of an element isn't as easy :(
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19:51:17 <clokep_work> Sorry I missed your invite Mic. :P Animations would be nice.
19:55:00 <Mic> It's ok, I only needed someone to join a channel .. used a second account instead.
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20:00:13 <lewellyn> clokep_work: once i finish my workday stuff, i'll look into libqq. ideally it's going to be not-hard to compile as intended, then i can find out what needs to be done for instantbird :)
20:01:13 <clokep_work> lewellyn: I had dumped the repository on top of the qq folder in my Instantbird repository, went to make it and it hit some errors, but they're probably MSVC issues (since I'm on Windows).
20:01:42 <lewellyn> i'm also on windows, and supposedly it builds for windows for pidgin. we shall see in a while. :)
20:03:18 <clokep_work> Ah OK. The build process isn't exactly the same though...(and the build process for Pidgin is pretty ridiculous according to flo)...
20:04:39 <lewellyn> it is, but it at least will say whether the plugin's broken out the gate :)
20:05:06 <clokep_work> Ah, do you already have it set up then?
20:06:35 <lewellyn> i've set it up in the past. it's imo an insanely stupid build environment.
20:07:13 <clokep_work> :) Mozilla build system is a bit funky too, but I was able to get it set up eventually.
20:07:53 <lewellyn> yeah. but last i checked, mozilla's directions don't call for both cygwin and mingw :)
20:08:07 <clokep_work> No, it calls for only MSVC.
20:08:15 <lewellyn> which is far far saner
20:08:59 <clokep_work> + You need MozillaBuild, which contains a bunch of tools, but it's not installing a ton of packages.
20:09:14 <clokep_work> (And Instantbird includes most of the external libraries, so you're not installing a billion things. :P)
20:10:18 <clokep_work> Last I heard, libqq does build properly though (they have a Windows dll somewhere), but let us know if you need any help. :)
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20:11:42 <[lewellyn]> oh hey. irc.mozilla.org changed its mind about me again. yay
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20:12:43 <clokep_work> It can have some issues sometimes, but is usually mostly stable.
20:15:23 <lewellyn> i've exchanged email with the network in the past. for some reason, the open proxy scanner thinks i have an open proxy.
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20:20:08 <Mook_as> hmm, I'm going to guess pidgin uses mingw/gcc instead?
20:22:46 <lewellyn> yup.
20:22:56 <lewellyn> they recommend you build with mingw within cygwin iirc
20:26:38 * clokep_work despises Cygwin.
20:27:56 <lewellyn> likewise. it's everything that's wrong with trying to make a portability layer.
20:28:05 <Mook_as> ah, cygwin gcc -mno-cygwin
20:29:06 <lewellyn> i really should start building popular open source stuff with off-the-beaten-path posix stuff. :)
20:30:24 <Mook_as> the Windows SFU/SUA stuff is even more off the beaten path than msys :)
20:31:56 <clokep_work> Depends on what you're trying to build. ;)
20:32:32 <clokep_work> Anyway though, Instantbird is set up to build QQ already, so it's convenient to just throw the newer files (apparently none were even added :-D).
20:38:08 <clokep_work> I'll take that off my queue though and let you handle it. :)
20:38:14 <clokep_work> Means I can...do something else haha.
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20:55:47 <lewellyn> clokep_work: i'm still on a something else at the moment. and i've never built instantbird (but i've built seamonkey et al in the past...), so we'll see what fun that entails when i get to it :)
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21:03:22 <clokep_work> If you have the build environment...it should just be downloading it and make. :p
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21:04:07 <EionRobb1> is there a wiki page for setting up a build env?
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21:06:27 <clokep_work> Well there's https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Compiling
21:06:51 <clokep_work> I had a blog post about getting it to work on Windows though (mostly so I wouldn't forget myself): http://clokep.blogspot.com/2011/05/compilling-instantbird.html
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21:08:47 <EionRobb> you don't compile it with mingw?
21:10:11 <clokep_work> No, Visual Studio Express.
21:10:30 <clokep_work> (Buildbot uses a real Visual Studio, but I'm cheap. :P)
21:11:10 <lewellyn> ok. so it needs vs2k5?
21:11:28 <lewellyn> so i'll build in my 2k5 vm. much of my stuff is built in 2k8, which i have on hardware.
21:11:43 <clokep_work> It should work now with any VS.
21:12:17 <clokep_work> There was a bug in Gadu-Gadu plug-in I think which wasn't letting me build in 2010, but I think that's been fixed (I just haven't updated yet).
21:12:59 <lewellyn> i may as well build in 2k5. if worst comes to worst, i can just revert that way :)
21:15:49 <clokep_work> True. :)
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21:20:49 <clokep_work> EionRobb: I actually threw your Skype protocol into one of my code bases, didn't get a chance to finish the makefile though, also we don't seem to have the media header file (forget what it's called...)
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21:21:15 <EionRobb> media.h ? :)
21:22:10 <clokep_work> I thought it had a longer name...
21:22:14 <clokep_work> But maybe that was it...
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21:22:52 <EionRobb> mediamanager.h ?
21:23:01 <clokep_work> Yeah, that was it. :)
21:23:38 <clokep_work> Is that necessary just for the *nix? Since Pidgin for Windows doesn't support media anyway..
21:23:39 <EionRobb> weird... why wouldn't you have that? it's in libpurple
21:24:01 <EionRobb> its a runtime detection of vv, rather than a compile-time
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21:24:18 <clokep_work> Flo probably removed it since we don't use it, that would be my guess. :)
21:24:23 <EionRobb> lol
21:25:55 <clokep_work> Yeah http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/ doesn't contain anything that's media*
21:26:23 <clokep_work> I have pidgin-2.9.0 source though, I'll just grab from there.
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21:32:51 <clokep_work> Anyway, time to play frisbee. Be back later! :)
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