#instantbird log on 08 22 2011

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00:01:46 <clokep> Thanks for that file though, has a few helpful things. :)
00:02:08 <EionRobb> there's an xmpp interface for office communicator now, isn't there?
00:02:22 <EionRobb> even does jingle->sip conversion
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00:04:47 <clokep> Oh? Do you happen to know the name by any chance?
00:05:06 <EionRobb> I was reading a pdf about it last week
00:05:17 <EionRobb> it might only be a new thing in office communicator 2010 or something
00:05:46 <clokep> Oh, it's part of the server? Interesting.
00:05:58 <clokep> We've already upgraded to 2010.
00:07:36 <EionRobb> oh, looks like it's part of 2007 too http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&p1=14471&x=18&y=7
00:08:17 <clokep> Hmmm...I wonder if we have it enabled.
00:08:38 <EionRobb> this one looks better: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee830332.aspx
00:08:56 <clokep> I mean I could just do all my IMing through the Office Communicator...but I'm not a big fan of sending ALL my traffic through their server. :P
00:09:14 <EionRobb> :)
00:10:01 <clokep> Hmm....I'll have to give it a try, thanks for the info. :)
00:10:42 <clokep> Bah last function I need to compile is g_usleep...
00:11:32 <EionRobb> eww... why would sipe need that :)
00:12:39 <clokep> EionRobb: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/910 part of reading the data it seems.
00:13:12 <EionRobb> prpls aren't supposed to be blocking
00:13:26 <EionRobb> (although I blatantly ignore that in the skype plugin... that bit needs a rewrite)
00:13:51 <EionRobb> you could #define g_usleep() out
00:14:35 <clokep> What's out do?
00:14:56 <EionRobb> oh, I should have put quotes around that.  I meant you could get rid of g_usleep with a #define
00:15:13 <clokep> Oh, right.
00:15:22 <clokep> I just ocpied the code from gtimer.c.
00:15:27 <EionRobb> :)
00:16:37 <clokep> Ah, well it loads. :)
00:16:59 <clokep> I've been thinking of compiling your Skype plug-in btw. I get ried of using the Skype UI sometimes. :p
00:20:46 <EionRobb> I think of that too
00:21:01 <EionRobb> it'd be good to set up a dev env on my machine for instantbird
00:21:30 <EionRobb> although oddly, I get more requests for okcupid prpl to be compiled for instantbird than skype
00:21:49 <clokep> I saw somewhere you were working on a skypekit version? How tricky is the licensing w/ that?
00:21:58 <EionRobb> impossible
00:22:02 <clokep> We were kind of unmotivated to look into it much once we saw you have to pay to even see the license.
00:22:17 <clokep> Ah, that's unfortunate. :(
00:22:35 <EionRobb> their licence specifically forbids GPL but also forbids any other open-source license
00:22:44 <EionRobb> that's from using the sdk though, if you rewrote their sdk you'd be ok
00:22:58 <clokep> Ah, interesting.
00:22:59 <EionRobb> the skypekit runtime though is bound to your app
00:23:21 <EionRobb> I started reverse-engineering it, but once they added the encryption, I gave up
00:23:27 <clokep> Right, which would be a little tricky but maybe doing it.
00:23:49 <clokep> Have you seen http://skype-open-source.blogspot.com/ ?
00:24:18 <EionRobb> yeah, been following it closely
00:25:12 <clokep> Mmhmm. I haven't looked at much of the code though.
00:25:25 <clokep> Who knows what'll change when it becomes part of Microsoft though.
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00:33:51 <EionRobb> maybe they just bought it so that they could have a skype connection in lync/ocs
00:38:19 <clokep> Hahaha, corporations won't want Skype using their bandwidth. :P
00:38:57 <EionRobb> probably why they came out with 'Skype for Business'
00:39:08 <EionRobb> which disables supernoding and file transfers
00:39:48 <clokep> Ah, I must have missed that part. :-/
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00:59:37 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 976 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
00:59:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
01:21:04 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 783 to bug 976.
01:21:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
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03:06:28 <jk1> hey guys, is there a way in instantbird to auto accept buddy requests ?
03:06:50 <jk1> this is usefull when using meebo / meebo me widget with instantbird
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03:16:02 <deOmega> jk1 I think you may have to wait a bit for someone to answer you.  I believe that most of the guys are in bed by now or something
03:16:39 <jk1> thanks deOmega - will try again later at a better time
03:17:25 <deOmega> No problem.  they are usually eager to respond to questions, so if they do not respond, you know they are either away or something.
03:17:40 <deOmega> if you know how tor ead teh logs, leave a message and say you will check teh logs for a reply
03:17:57 <deOmega> the link to the logs is at the top
03:18:12 <deOmega> ..............
03:19:24 <deOmega> hey guys, regarding this:  
03:19:28 <deOmega> if I'm "busy" (in the status), no conversation can open, they stay in the contact list until I click them to see what's there, or I change my status (they popup automatically when I switch back to available)
03:19:54 <deOmega> I really believe that this could solve a whole lot of issues.  I hope it is implemented :)
03:20:42 <deOmega> This could solve issues regarding privacy, as well as the problems gamers complained about regarding new messages.   I really think it is a huge move.
03:26:40 <instantbot> jahkae@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 789 to WORKSFORME.
03:26:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Privacy, status
03:26:54 <deOmega> wouldn't it handle bugs: 406, 926 ?
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03:37:00 <instantbot> jahkae@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 787 to WORKSFORME.
03:37:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Status change logging
03:39:52 <instantbot> jahkae@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 565 to WORKSFORME.
03:39:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=565 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Distortions below the text entry box
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06:51:39 <Mic> Good morning.
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07:31:35 <decider2012> hello, can I log into QQ on instant bird?
07:33:26 <decider2012> anyone know?
07:34:12 <EionRobb> yes
07:34:45 <EionRobb> oops sorry, wrong window
07:34:48 <EionRobb> that could be confusing :)
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07:46:48 <decider2012> Hello, I am trying to log into QQ, but it's not letting me log in
07:46:59 <decider2012> works ok in the QQ program
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07:51:00 <decider2012> How do I change it from port 8000 to 443 ?
07:52:08 <decider2012> Is the server type set to UDP?
07:52:16 <decider2012> that is what it says in QQ program
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11:46:34 <clokep_work> Good morning!
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13:46:22 <flo> clokep_work: hello :). I assumed drive-by review comments were welcome ;)
13:48:37 <clokep_work> flo: Yes they were! Apparently the full patch is 1.2 MB so too big for Bugzilla, but not really necessary yet anyway. :)
13:49:00 <clokep_work> The ENABLE_NLS...what is NLS? Do you know? :-/
13:50:23 <clokep_work> Besides that I agree with your comments. :)
13:51:15 <flo> I don't know exactly but it's related to localization
13:51:38 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. So just remove the whole block and replace it with our localization stuff. Got it.
13:51:38 <flo> I don't know if it's needed to keep it, but I haven't had to undef it in other places
13:51:48 <clokep_work> I forgot to throw it on my thumb drive before coming to work today though. :(
13:53:07 <clokep_work> Ah I see.
13:57:09 <flo> google found me a page saying "internationalization + localization = Native Language Support i18n"
13:57:31 <clokep_work> Interesting.
13:57:59 <clokep_work> The g_base64_* issue...it's added to each file that has the issue, is there some way to do a define across files (or perhaps I'm not understanding how exactly defines work)?
13:58:15 <clokep_work> I would prefer to only do it once. :-D
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14:00:54 <flo> crashed :(
14:02:14 <flo> about the g_base64 defines, isn't there a header file that's included by all other files?
14:02:31 <flo> you tried sipe-common.h What about sipe-backend.h or some others?
14:03:03 <clokep_work> It then threw an error that purple_base64_* wasn't defined.
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14:07:49 <clokep_work> Although...I think I tried to redefine the whole definition, not just the same line copied to sipe-common or sipe-backend.
14:08:02 <clokep_work> Do #includes occur before #defines then?
14:20:19 <flo> hm, probably
14:20:45 <flo> otherwise defining something in a header would be mostly useless
14:20:52 <clokep_work> Heh, true. :)
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14:45:27 <deOmega> hi.  when i  file bugs and feel they are no longer relevant or resolved onbe way or another...is it fine to just  mark them all  resolved?
14:45:53 <clokep_work> deOmega: Yes, just mark them as RESOLVED WORKSFORME or RESOLVED INVALID
14:46:07 <clokep_work> What've been doing is fine. :)
14:46:23 <deOmega> ok.  will do. thanks
14:46:26 <clokep_work> (And thanks for closing them as, it gets rid of some of the cruft when wading through bug reports.)
14:47:42 <deOmega> indeed my pleasure
14:50:46 <deOmega> gonna close Bug 689 
14:50:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Spellcheck suggestions not visible in context menu
14:51:50 <clokep_work> deOmega: Are you sure that's still not an issue? flo was able to reproduce.
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14:52:39 <deOmega> hmm.  i have not seen it as an issue a while.  Thanks, i will leave it just in case
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14:53:12 <deOmega> do you guys have an answer for that guy that shows up late each night with a question.  let me find it
14:53:49 <clokep_work> Probably. ;) I forget what he asked though.
14:54:19 <deOmega> 08:24:43 <jk1> hey guys - just wondering if there is anyway to auto-accept/add buddies (like you can in trillian) in instantbird
14:54:19 <deOmega> 08:25:00 <jk1> this is very useful if you use meebo / meebo me widget
14:54:36 <deOmega> he has asked  like 2 days  in a row i think,  but i cannot answer him
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15:20:49 <deOmega> have a great day
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15:29:07 <flo> there's no way to do that "out of the box". It could be possible to do that as an add-on, and if it's not as easy as it should, we would be happy to accept the changes needed to make this easy (or even make them ourself)
15:34:39 <clokep_work> What is the "meebo me widget"?
15:47:51 <clokep_work> Can you not just tell the network to automatically accept all users?
15:47:56 <clokep_work> (I found out what Meebo Me is btw. ;))
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18:12:48 <GeekShadow> hey
18:16:20 <clokep_work> Hello.
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18:24:56 <GeekShadow> is it possible in instantbird to register a new account on a xmpp server ?
18:26:10 <clokep_work> Does the XMPP spec even allow for that?
18:26:15 <clokep_work> Is it possible in Pidgin?
18:28:08 <GeekShadow> clokep_work, in xmpp you can register a new account
18:28:36 <GeekShadow> the API allow that
18:29:28 <clokep_work> Intersting.
18:29:47 <clokep_work> I'm fairly certain we don't support that (I don't think Pidgin does either, I don't know if libpurple itself does...I doubt it).
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19:12:05 <Mic> Good evening
19:18:04 <clokep_work> Howdy Mic.
19:24:39 <GeekShadow> mic does instantbird allow to create xmpp account ?
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19:26:56 <Mic> No, I don't think so.
19:27:36 <clokep_work> I'td be neat if you tried to log in and it popped and asked if you wanted to register though. ;)
19:27:40 <Mic> How would you set it up
19:27:52 <Mic> Yes, I thought that as well.
19:28:38 <Mic> It should make sure to tell the user that this could also be the result of a typo in their user name
19:29:42 <Mic> " _Create account_. Ops, I typoed. let me _correct my username_ ."
19:32:07 <clokep_work> Mic: Of course, it'd have to be "Account information invalid, please re-enter password for <account name>" with a back button to re-enter the account name, and a button "Register an account"
19:32:11 <clokep_work> That was a poor description...
19:35:19 <Mic> How recent is the indexed code on lxr.instantbird.org?
19:35:41 <Mic> Does it automatically update or is it necessary that someone does that?
19:36:47 <clokep_work> Mic: something like that is what I meant http://pastebin.instantbird.com/911
19:37:04 <clokep_work> It's supposed to automatically update, there hasn't been a check-in  in a while, it should be up to date.
19:39:05 <clokep_work> Is it out of date?
19:39:15 <clokep_work> (I'm sure flo or Even can kick it off manually too.)
19:40:16 <Mic> No, the main screen shows "Pidgin 2.6.3" which is hopelessly out of date
19:40:42 <clokep_work> Ohhhh.
19:40:57 <clokep_work> I don't think lxr understands monotone, so it has a folder it indexes for Pidgin.
19:41:20 <clokep_work> Once they switch to hg we should index it though. :)
19:41:50 <clokep_work> If you need a newer Pidgin on there, flo might update it.
19:41:53 <clokep_work> There's always grep there. ;)
19:46:27 <Mic> I wonder how you install lightweight themes on programs other than Firefox
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19:50:21 <Mic> The css I copied from the Fx tab theme contains :a few -moz-lwtheme pseudo classes
19:51:14 <Mic> Which decides if something is applied when a lightweight theme/Persona is active
19:53:00 <clokep_work> Aren't they still xpis?
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20:04:36 <Mic> I've installed several and can't find them anywhere on this computer.
20:04:39 <Mic> hmm.
20:05:18 <Mic> Meditate on this I will.
20:05:19 <Mic> bbl
20:07:59 <Mic> (and looking into LightweightThemeManager.jsm might be helpful;)
20:18:20 <clokep_work> Hah.
20:18:29 <clokep_work> I don't know where they get installed, but I thought it was just in your extensions folder...
20:19:50 <Mook_as> they get installed as a custom addon type via LightweightThemeManager, yeah
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21:02:09 <flo> GeekShadow, clokep: XMPP allows (on some servers) the creation of an account directly from the IM client. Pidgin supports that. We currently don't (mostly because I haven't figured out a good UI for it at the time I initially wrote the account wizard for 0.1).
21:03:38 <GeekShadow> flo ok
21:03:45 <flo> Mic: lxr is updated every night for the "instantbird" code. I put a new Pidgin version by hand "sometimes". I would be interested in having the latest (not yet released) code indexed so that when I find a bug I can check if it's already fixed before reporting it, but automating that with monotone is painful, we will probably have it once they are on hg :).
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21:27:45 <Mic> ok.
21:31:46 <Mic> Good night.
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