#instantbird log on 08 21 2011

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00:00:11 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: There's a bug on file about that one. Even upgraded the servers at some point, but we were still getting it.
00:00:20 <DGMurdockIII> ok
00:00:23 <flo> clokep: for some errors, you need to link to NSS
00:00:53 <flo> but does that code *really* need to initialize NSS itself? That seems very wrong ;)
00:00:55 <clokep> Yes, I'm seeing that now...
00:01:15 <clokep> Haha.
00:01:21 <clokep> Well...can I just get it to build first? :P
00:02:45 <flo> if I were you I would look in sipe-core.c to see if that code using NSS is useful or can be ifdef'd out ;)
00:03:39 <DGMurdockIII> ok
00:04:08 <clokep> Alright. :)
00:04:13 <clokep> Linking to NSS got rid of them though. :P
00:04:20 <flo> bah...
00:04:21 <clokep> the PK11 stuff is also part of NSS it seems?
00:04:29 <flo> if you crash at startup that won't help you :-P
00:04:35 <flo> yes, PK11 is part of NSS
00:05:35 <clokep> Right, so it's in sipe-core, sipe-crypt and sipe-digest
00:07:42 <clokep> flo: There's a ifdef HAVE_NSS: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/907 can I make HAVE_NSS undef'd?
00:08:06 <flo> #undef HAVE_NSS ?
00:08:08 <clokep> And what it does is initialize NSS if it's not already initialized.
00:08:30 <flo> what about #undef HAVE_GMIME too? :-P
00:09:03 <clokep> That would make things easier. :)
00:10:04 <flo> note that you defined those yourself in your makefile ;)
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00:15:07 <clokep> Ahaha.
00:18:14 <flo> Good night
00:18:46 <clokep> Good night, thanks!
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04:49:41 <Mic> Good morning
04:54:40 <clokep> (o_O) Seriously Mic?
04:55:14 <clokep> (Good morning I guess? :P But I'm going to bed in a few minutes.)
04:55:36 <Mic> Yes, before 7am here but it's ok .. ;)
04:55:54 * clokep hopes you have a good reason to be up so early.
04:56:29 <Mic> No other than "stopped sleeping"
04:59:15 <Mic> hmm, there's no Chromebug version that works on anything like moz6 or later .. too bad :(
05:00:02 <clokep> Is there one for moz5?
05:00:07 <clokep> moz6 is pretty identical.
05:01:32 <Mic> Yes, I know. Still the compatibility checking stuff to change .. 
05:01:56 * clokep doesn't check compatibility on any of his profiles.
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08:21:05 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 974 filed by justin+bugs@kelly.org.au.
08:21:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=974 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Meebo issues - instantbird says conencted - meebo me says offline
08:22:26 <instantbot> justin+bugs@kelly.org.au added attachment 782 to bug 974.
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08:24:43 <jk1> hey guys - just wondering if there is anyway to auto-accept/add buddies (like you can in trillian) in instantbird
08:25:00 <jk1> this is very useful if you use meebo / meebo me widget
08:34:15 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 975 filed by justin+bugs@kelly.org.au.
08:34:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=975 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Is it possible to auto-accept buddy requests ?
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11:24:34 * flo is attempting to compile Instantbird with mozilla-aurora (8.0a2)
11:26:58 <Mic2> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4885/ibfxstratababyblue.png, not too bad imo
11:28:32 <Mic2> Do you know of any breaking changes?
11:28:35 <flo> apparently we will see JS strict warning for JS modules too with moz8 :)
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11:29:05 <flo> it complains about the forgotten "let" on line 121 and 122 here: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/imSmileys.jsm#121
11:30:07 <flo> Mic2: nsIDOMWindowInternal has been removed, which breaks some C++ code. But the fix is as trivial as replacing nsIDOMWindowInternal with nsIDOMWindow :)
11:30:08 <instantbot> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.
11:30:43 <Mic2> I read about that and forgot it immediately again ;)
11:31:10 <flo> Instantbot will remember if I don't check-in the fix immediately
11:31:14 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'will remember if I don't check-in the fix immediately' might be.
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12:39:34 <DGMurdockIII> are you guy ever going to make it so instantbird will show allow or deny when request when some oneone add you to there buddy list
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12:50:32 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep2): was the info I added this bug report helpfull https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972
12:50:35 <instantbot> Bug 972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Mark GTalk users on Android as "mobile"
12:51:11 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Yes, some of it was. pretty much Google needs to fix their app. :) Thanks for finding that.
12:51:41 <DGMurdockIII> if i fund out any more info i added it to the bug report
12:51:56 <DGMurdockIII> find*
12:52:20 <clokep> OK
12:52:55 <clokep> flo: So most of my compiling issues were me being an idiot -- I wasn't compiling a few files. (sipe-utils being one...which apparently has a lot of functions in it. :P)
12:53:58 <clokep> But now I'm getting some glib and purple unresolved symbols...
12:54:46 <clokep> Mic: That screenshot looks nice. :)
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13:18:17 <DGMurdockIII> http://xmpp.org/registrar/disco-categories.html#client would adding support for phone client detection work as a tempory solution
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13:35:30 <clokep> Hey flo, so now I'm getting a bunch of LNK2019 errors, which is different AFAIK: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/908
13:35:52 <clokep> It seems like g_setenv is ifdef out for glib in Instantbird, is there a reason?
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14:27:06 <flo> is there any good reason for a libpurple plugin to mess with the environment?
14:30:18 <clokep> Probably not, they're using it to store/switch a timezone or something?
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15:28:43 <DGMurdockIII> i really need the abality to block user
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16:07:19 <deOmega> good day.  Hi mic.  I certainly agree that the image you have up for the conversation window is good.  :)
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16:10:05 <deOmega> removing that padding I think is really a very good idea.  nothing is written there anyway
16:11:11 <deOmega> ( referring to the padding that we currently have behind the tab)
16:14:19 <deOmega> Ah, I like what you did with the contact list also. (the nightly area)  Firefox-like.  daddy likes!!  lol
16:20:03 <deOmega> Have a wonderful day
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17:51:43 <clokep> flo: I wonder if this (which was fixed in Pidgin 2.10.0) was your MSN crash? http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/14307
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17:55:19 <flo> clokep: that's possible. If not, then it should help with crashes we have on crash-stats ;)
17:56:56 <clokep> flo: Well I'd hope it would help w/ crashes! :)
17:57:47 <clokep> I don't see any flap_connection_destroy_cb crashes with Instantbird 1.1 on the crash stats!
17:57:56 <clokep> (In the last 3 weeks at least...)
18:00:00 <flo> are you thinking my hack may have been successful? ;)
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18:08:13 <clokep> I am thinking that!
18:12:54 <flo> maybe we should just release now to figure it out? :-P
18:13:27 <flo> I'm not sure of what to do with my conversation handling stuff
18:13:57 <clokep> Do you mean that as in a design choice, a coding choice or whether it should be in before the next release?
18:14:09 <flo> I'm not completely sure if the behavior I want it to have for my interaction + I'm not sure the right behavior for me is the right default behavior.
18:14:32 <clokep> What's the right behavior for you? I'll tell you how crazy you are. :P
18:14:57 * clokep found the changeset where they started to use setenv/getenv.
18:15:11 <flo> no "close" action in the UI. Closing a conversation is decided automatically by the core based on the absence of unread messages + the absence of message exchanged in the last hour
18:16:28 <flo> well, that would be ideal for me. Just never having to think about whether I want to close something or not.
18:16:35 <clokep> Alright.
18:16:47 <clokep> So there would be no "x" on a tab? Or would that just "hide" the conversation?
18:16:49 <flo> I'm sure lots of people would hate that though :)
18:16:57 <clokep> Haha, yes.
18:16:58 <flo> it would just hide the conversation
18:17:41 <clokep> OK. I see two issues with it, how do you forcibly leave an IRC room? (Would /part still actually close the conversation?)
18:18:05 <clokep> And certain protocols (XMPP? Maybe just GTalk) Can actaully let you know when the other party "closes" the conversation, so they wouldn't be notified for an hour...but that's not really an issue I don't think.
18:18:05 <flo> but if I don't put any UI to reopen a hidhen conversation (and keep that in an add-on), isn't this going to appear exactly like the current behavior? ;)
18:18:09 <flo> *hidden
18:18:28 <clokep> Yes, but people would still be in the room.
18:18:28 <flo> yeah, /part would still work of course
18:18:47 <clokep> So...if I x out of #instantbird because I'm busy and you guys ping me so much. ;)
18:19:04 <clokep> But I'm still really in it...you're almost lying to the user.
18:19:08 <flo> it's a totally different problem
18:19:22 <flo> ah, well, I see what you mean
18:20:53 <flo> hmm, what about getting rid of the auto-join thing at the same time, and parting a MUC = removing auto-join = I don't want to be there again
18:21:13 <flo> (much more work to implement of course :-D)
18:22:24 <flo> ah, I forgot to explain another part of the behavior that would be ideal for me: if I'm "busy" (in the status), no conversation can open, they stay in the contact list until I click them to see what's there, or I change my status (they popup automatically when I switch back to available).
18:22:39 <clokep> That I like. :)
18:25:53 <clokep> I just think it's necessary sometimes to actually leave a room (and yes you can type /part, but that's not user friendly/discoverable).
18:29:39 <clokep> Because sometimes it's not "I don't want to see this room" but it's "I don't want to be seen in this room"
18:30:33 <clokep> OK, so SIPE can't seem to find g_base64_encode or decode, is this something else that was removed or am I not linking it in properly?
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18:36:26 <Mic> "18:18:05 <flo> but if I don't put any UI to reopen a hidhen conversation (and keep that in an add-on), isn't this going to appear exactly like the current behavior? ;)"
18:36:35 <Mic> +1, aehm, Like! .. you know ;)
18:39:22 <Mic> Busy would be a new status then?
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18:43:54 <Mic> New messages would bring up the conversation window again or would it only cause an item in a conversation list to appear?
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18:51:29 <Mic> I like the Skype chat solution by the way: you can't tell when a conversation starts or ends, you only (re-)open or close chat windows.
18:54:09 <Mic> There's a tab with conversations on the main window (the tab title contains the total number of unread messages) and the items on the conversation list show how many unread messages each has. They're grouped by "recentness" (today/yesterday/last week/older than a week/.. month)
18:55:37 <clokep> Yes. :)
18:57:48 <clokep> We'd also ened to save the history fo course.
19:00:10 <Mic> I think we should differentiate between new messages in MUCs and messages adressing the user:
19:01:41 <Mic> the first should only count to the activity of the chat (i.e. it will appear in the "today" section/topmost if the user is present in one), the latter do all the you've-got-a-new-message-things (a sound + increment the counter on the conversation item + ..)
19:04:23 <Mic> It requires a working chat history though.. so I guess it's not the way to do it right away
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20:26:50 <flo> Mic: "busy" is "unavailable"
20:29:10 <flo> all the things that require a good history will for now only work until a restart of the application
20:31:05 <clokep> Does that mean that it actually works now flo?
20:31:21 <clokep> I mean the best way to see if the behavior makes sense is to probably put it in the nightlies and see who balks. :p
20:31:32 <flo> I don't know. Things mostly worked before I went in vacations. I haven't touched that code since that :-S
20:31:41 <clokep> Ah, I see.
20:31:51 <clokep> You get a new graphics card at least? (You couldn't get at the code, right?)
20:32:10 <flo> I got one yes. And I installed a new ubuntu ;)
20:32:27 <clokep> Ah, fancy! :)
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21:12:57 <DGMurdockIII> http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
21:13:07 <DGMurdockIII> watch it guys
21:13:55 <DGMurdockIII> they are trying to capture Gaddafi right now
21:24:36 <flo> DGMurdockIII: how is that related to Instantbird?
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21:38:53 <DGMurdockIII> it not
21:39:02 <DGMurdockIII> but there now offtopic chat
21:39:09 <DGMurdockIII> and it pritty big new
21:39:16 <DGMurdockIII> news
21:59:23 <clokep> So flo: It seems I have a bunch of glib symbols (and a few libpurple ones) still not defined: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/909 the g_base64_encode one at least SHOULD exist I think, but I'm not sure about the others. I'm not really sure what to do about them.
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22:35:26 <flo> pfff, the libpurple API sucks :(
22:35:49 <flo> I thought all the purple_savedstatus_* functions were supposed to be used only by UIs, not by prpls
22:36:22 <flo> clokep: we can reimplement purple_debug_is_enabled if it's really useful (is it?)
22:36:50 <flo> you probably need an #if 0 around the code using g_spawn_command_line_async
22:37:49 <flo> I don't know what the problem is w.r.t g_base64_*
22:40:24 <clokep> I can just #define g_base64_* purple_base64_*, but I'd rather not have to put that in like 10 files if I don't have to?
22:41:28 <flo> but isn't libpurple just forwarding the call to glib anyway?
22:41:39 <clokep> I believe so.
22:42:15 <clokep> Yes, it is: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/util.c#222
22:42:20 <flo> to fix the gettext symbols, you should copy http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/internal.h#50 (lines 50 to 55) in a header included by all the relevant files
22:43:17 <clokep> Alright.
22:44:06 <flo> apparently only sipe.obj depends on gettext
22:44:17 <flo> so you can maybe put the code directly there
22:44:42 <flo> the other solution is to include internal.h, but that's supposed to be only for plugins that are part of libpurple by default
22:45:07 <clokep> Right.
22:45:20 <clokep> the spawn command line is for launching a mailto command via the OS.
22:50:02 <clokep> flo: for purple_debug_is_enabled I was just going to define it as 0, unless it is actually enabled...in which case I can define it was 1. :P
22:50:51 <flo> doesn't it take parameters?
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22:51:20 <Mic> Good morning.
22:51:26 <Mic> ok, just kidding.
22:52:06 <clokep> flo: No it's just purple_debug_is_enabled().
22:52:16 <clokep> Mic: Good evening. :P
22:53:13 <flo> Mic: Merry Christmas :-P
22:53:57 <clokep> Ah, Halloween is fairly soon! Favorite day to use Instantbird. :)
22:58:14 <flo> ahah
23:05:26 <clokep> flo: OK so it uses the purple_savedstatus_* functions since it sometimes needs to notify the UI that the status has changed based on calendar events, etc.
23:05:43 <clokep> I can just ignore it for now though.
23:05:45 <flo> #if 0 ?
23:06:04 <clokep> Yup. :)
23:07:31 <flo> perfect! ;)
23:08:16 <clokep> (My point was more of that I think the protocol will still work OK, just be missing a couple of features. :))
23:08:23 <Mic> Cool, I accidently hit Win+arrow keys and it changes the window size/position
23:08:37 <Mic> I admit that this is not related to Instantbird ;)
23:08:41 <clokep> Yup!, up is max, down is windowed than minimized.
23:09:14 <Mic> And Left and Right give it half of the screen that it is on
23:09:32 <clokep> Yup! :)
23:09:54 <Mic> Win+Space is "Show desktop" :)
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23:31:20 <clokep> flo: Is there a particular reason gtimer.c isn't in the Instantbird source or could it be added?
23:31:39 <flo> I don't remember
23:32:06 <flo> I removed all the parts of glib that weren't really needed at the time
23:32:20 <clokep> Alright. I'll see if it works.
23:32:31 <flo> but we don't use the glib event loop (except on linux which has a GTK UI), so it sounds a bit scary
23:36:06 <clokep> Yes that doesn't sound a bit scary. :-/
23:37:47 <flo> what is it used for?
23:38:43 <clokep> g_time_val_from_iso8601
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23:40:20 <clokep> It's actually probably a simple enough function I can just copy it out.
23:40:28 <clokep> Or #if 0 the rest of the file. :P
23:40:38 <EionRobb> libpurple has it's own strtotime function that you could possibly use instead?
23:42:33 <flo> Good night
23:42:47 <clokep> Good night flo!
23:42:53 <clokep> Thanks EionRobb, I'll check into it.
23:43:08 <EionRobb> http://developer.pidgin.im/doxygen/dev/html/util_8h.html#b4881fba04ce7ff9ccf514c7b7214f59
23:43:13 <EionRobb> :)
23:46:27 <clokep> Thanks! I can definitely use it. :)
23:46:48 <EionRobb> what you trying to do?  re-add the sipe prpl to your libpurple?
23:47:16 <clokep> Yes.
23:47:32 <clokep> But it's a horrible mixture of purple functions and glib functions. :-/
23:47:48 <EionRobb> fair enough
23:48:07 <EionRobb> as a prpl developer I can see why... I'd probably assume that if glib was there that all of it was there, too :)
23:48:31 <clokep> Oh, yes. I understand that part. :)
23:48:46 <clokep> They're also like partially through separating the SIPE code from the libpurple code to make it a separate library.
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23:48:52 <clokep> So...some things are funky from that too I think.
23:49:56 <EionRobb> ah ok :)
23:51:10 <clokep> Do you happen to know if any of the developers hang out in #pidgin btw? They have a forum...but that forces me to use SF. ;)
23:51:38 <EionRobb> none of the devs use the sf forum
23:52:02 <EionRobb> a lot of them are in #pidgin a lot of them are in xmpp:devel@conference.pidgin.im
23:52:40 <clokep> Sorry, I meant the SIPE developers.
23:52:49 <clokep> Not sure if you know anyone who works on it or not.
23:53:48 <EionRobb> I didn't think anyone worked on it any more
23:54:21 <clokep> There's still check-ins I believe.
23:55:25 <EionRobb> crazy
23:59:46 <clokep> Yeah. We use Office Communicator at work so...