#instantbird log on 08 19 2011

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02:09:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 780 to bug 102.
02:09:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, (Re-)Add support for the Sametime protocol.
02:10:45 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 781 to bug 102.
02:10:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 779 on bug 102.
02:10:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 781 on bug 102.
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07:09:07 <Mic> Hello
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08:13:29 <ericr> hi I cannot start instantbird on fedora 15, it shows  a message with: "Description: XPCOM registration of the purplexpcom component failed." any idea or is it a known issue?
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08:30:54 <Mic> ericr, no idea. Would be best to wait if someone else knows an answer.
08:31:15 <ericr> thx
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08:43:46 <Mic> Strange: http://gemischt.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/instantbird.png
08:44:49 <Mic> Was the globe taken from somewhere else? I thought idechix did the design of the logo all by himself.
08:45:30 <Mic> Or was this an early logo? It appeared in a blog post related to Ib 0.1
08:46:54 <Mic> This seems to be the place where ericr's error message comes from: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/ibCore.jsm#73
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08:48:52 <Mic> I've no idea what could be the cause though (I've little to no experience with Ib on *ix systems).
08:49:28 <Mic> Wait for flo, he's the project lead, ericr.
08:50:07 <ericr> thx Mic
08:50:26 <Mic> Or file a bug report at http://bugzilla.instantbird.org. You'll get email notifications if something happens on the bug.
08:55:11 <ericr> yes that would be the next step, I hoped someone has the similar issue
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10:28:39 <flo> ericr: hello. Is there any error in the error console?
10:29:53 <flo> Mic: that logo was the image we put on addons.instantbird.org above a "Coming soon..." text for 0.1.
10:32:15 <ericr> flo: Could not read chrome manifest file '/home/ericr/Tools/instantbird/extensions/{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}/chrome.manifest'.
10:32:51 <flo> this is known and unrelated. Anything else?
10:33:02 <ericr> no
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10:34:25 <ericr> OS: Linux ultra20 #1 SMP Tue Aug 16 04:10:59 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:34:40 <flo> which version of Instantbird is this?
10:35:37 <flo> hmm, you many not be able to open the about dialog if it failed this early at startup. You can find the version number in the application.ini file of the application directory
10:36:25 <ericr> Version=1.0
10:36:27 <ericr> BuildID=20110623125606
10:39:04 <flo> is it a package from the distribution, or have you downloaded the file from our website?
10:39:39 <ericr> just downloaded from 'your' website
10:40:14 <flo> maybe you can try the 64bit binary? (http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.0/contrib/)
10:41:09 <ericr> ok, will try
10:41:23 <flo> I'm a bit puzzled as to why our library would not load but gecko would :-S.
10:42:05 <flo> clokep: looks fine this time! :). The only nit I have is about the indentation in sametime/Makefile.in :-D.
10:42:22 <flo> I'll try to compile it and check the warnings on both Mac and Linux before r+'ing
10:43:15 <clokep> Thanks. :) Any chance you can fix that nit, or would you like a new patch? Indenting in Makefiles always confuses me. :(
10:44:23 <ericr> that works
10:44:57 <clokep> We just need to find someone w/ Sametime access now. ;)
10:48:04 <ericr> thanks flo
10:48:08 <Mic> ericr: "that works" in the sense of all problems gone?
10:48:29 <ericr> yes, it is starting and working
10:48:44 <Mic> Great, enjoy it then :)
10:49:23 <ericr> maybe an attention should be raised at download for  a 64 bit linux OS
10:49:32 <ericr> thanks Mic
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11:07:49 <flo> clokep: sure, I can fix it before pushing if everything else seems all right :)
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11:27:37 <Mic> Now that you said that I remember when AIO had not launched yet.. a long long time ago :D
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11:43:07 <clokep_work> Thanks flo. :) If there's other issues that need to be fixed I'll fix it in the next revision.
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12:07:32 <Mic> flo, I cc'ed you on bug 945 because I'd like your opinion before I post an answer to the BMO bug
12:07:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Should be easier to use (spellchecker) dictionaries from AMO
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12:09:39 <flo> Mic: am I understanding right that his comment means "we are lazy, so we would rather not fix this correctly and instead let you handle the mess yourself"? :-D
12:13:31 <flo> Mic: I don't really understand what the bug is requesting by the way.
12:13:54 <flo> Would the dictionnaries be hosted on AIO or AMO? Why would Instantbird ever connect to AMO if AIO exists?
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12:22:52 <clokep_work> I think Mic is looking for a way to install dictionaries from AMO by downloaded them and installing them in Instantbird (but without modifying install.rdf).
12:23:15 <flo> then they need to be compatible with toolkit, period.
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12:28:59 <clokep_work> Yeah, and the BMO bug he linked to is about making them a different type instead of extensions (and give them special handling, etc. in the add-on manager).
12:29:25 <clokep_work> Also linked in there is a bug about being able to change spell checking for different editors...which I believe there was something about wanting spell checking per conversation.
12:29:42 <Mic> "Mic: I don't really understand what the bug is requesting by the way.", dictionaries are for application that support spellchecking, not for Firefox/Thunderbird/whatsoever 
12:30:02 <flo> :( there are tons of warning while building sametime on linux
12:30:15 <Mic> In my opinion at least, the BMO bug is an attempt to get this fixed
12:30:42 <Mic> "In my opinion at least. The ..."
12:31:28 <Mic> You'd still need to download them from AMO but at least it would work without unpacking+editing+repacking+uploading to AIO...
12:32:43 <flo> ok
12:33:06 <flo> I'm afraid you'll need to fight the laziness of the AIO authors then ;)
12:33:56 <Mic> I'll rather ask him first why the application compatibility is so important.
12:35:09 <Mic> Duplicating add-ons on AIO and, worse, having to keep them updated sounds wrong to me
12:35:42 <flo> yeah...
12:35:57 <flo> you know, having to host and maintain AIO seems wrong to me in the first place ;)
12:36:34 <clokep_work> flo: Lots of bad warnings or things we can ignore? :-D
12:36:57 <flo> clokep_work: I think we can decide they are just noise. If you are sure it compiles on MSVC
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12:40:27 <clokep_work> I'm sure (it pops up in Instantbird after all, and I can make an account...but I can't test it).
12:40:37 <Mic> bye
12:40:48 <clokep_work> When it gets landed I'd like to post to the contact list / make a blog post asking people to test it if they have access to Sametime.
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12:42:21 <flo> clokep_work: we also need to email the translators to give them a link to the converted .properties file for their locale
12:43:51 <clokep_work> Right. :)
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14:07:11 <clokep_work> Wait, so are nightlies on moz6 now?
14:11:30 * clokep_work didn't notice anything different.
14:11:34 <clokep_work> Although I'm not sure I updated yet. ;)
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14:24:46 * flo has just updated
14:25:11 <flo> the only difference I've noticed with moz6 for now is that the links in the error console are broken
14:25:40 <clokep_work> Didn't we just fix those?! :P
14:26:13 <clokep_work> Good if it's a fairly easy upgrade (besides the build bustage).
14:28:01 <flo> clokep_work: have you actually looked at the content of the "update to moz6" changeset? ;)
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14:32:20 <deOmega> Good day all.
14:33:34 <deOmega> MIc:  It varies significantly.  Some times it could be in a matter of seconds t minutes, but it is usually the same individuals.
14:36:17 <flo> deOmega: talking about spammers on AIM?
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14:45:10 <clokep_work> I think he's talking about buddy status and having people hop on and offline quickly.
14:45:18 <clokep_work> (But spammer is also an issue. ;))
14:46:18 <clokep_work> flo: Haha, it's "Change the places we pull from and update some tools from Perl to Python" pretty much. :)
14:46:25 <clokep_work> Oh, and update our patches.
14:52:22 <deOmega> yes flo.  I am referring to  the fact that so many people are  connecting by phones  with signals that drop  so randomly
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14:55:27 <deOmega> additionally i am finding that some people in other countries have  connections that drop a lot  (however, they are not as bad as cell phone users)
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14:58:41 <deOmega> It is not something critical (But i think it is  just another tweak that could set IB further apart)
15:00:03 <deOmega> I actually never used  buddy status features before (well, i tried them)
15:01:05 <deOmega> But I have come to appreciate them, mainly because i hardly look at my buddylist, and sometimes, when it  shows me someone getting online.. it them reminds me of something i need to discuss with them etc.  so, it has been very useful
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16:28:43 <igorko> hi
16:28:59 <igorko> i'm getting HTTP Error: 405 (push requires POST request) during push in locale repo
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16:29:53 <igorko> hm- i have set https but it tries http...
16:31:04 <igorko> one backslash in path to make it happy :)
16:43:03 <igorko> security/manager/chrome/pipnss/pipnss.properties
16:43:04 <igorko>       +CertDumpRSAPSSSignature
16:43:15 <igorko> i've got this imn mail
16:43:25 <igorko> and others...
16:43:33 <igorko> wtf is that?
16:43:45 <clokep_work> That sounds like part of toolkit, flo would know most likely. ;
16:43:47 <igorko> should i create hat folder?
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16:43:54 <igorko> that*
16:44:10 <igorko> and a lotin dom/chrome
16:44:10 <igorko>     appstrings.properties
16:44:10 <igorko>         +remoteXUL
16:44:11 <Mook_as> didn't he mention something about gecko 6 yesterday?
16:44:18 <clokep_work> Yes.
16:44:28 <clokep_work> If those are new strings in Gecko 6...that's probably why.
16:45:02 <clokep_work> I don't know why they're showing up for you though igorko...unless your localization wasn't updated for Gecko 6? ;)
16:45:02 <igorko> ok i's ok than. But translated website pages are still not updated...
16:45:23 <igorko> i have updated it before 1.0 release last ime
16:45:28 <igorko> time*
16:45:50 <igorko> but if it goes from Mozilla...
16:46:00 <igorko> i should bother their translator :)
16:48:04 <clokep_work> Firefox 6 is released already though, I'd be surprised if it wasn't translated.
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16:48:42 <igorko> damn lazzy Tim...
16:48:56 <igorko> i know him :)
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17:29:48 <igorko> i have found missing strings for FAQ page
17:29:50 <igorko> flo: 
17:30:26 <igorko> When I try to connect to my Facebook account I get the error message Not Authorized. What's the problem? <- this question with answer
17:31:50 <clokep_work> Those were added after the release by me, yes.
17:33:06 <igorko> ah- so they are present in english file?
17:33:20 * igorko didn't update faq file :(
17:34:12 <clokep_work> Yes, it's there. :)
17:34:30 <igorko> ok- you can blame me :p
17:38:41 * clokep_work blames you. :P
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20:24:49 <flo> clokep: and fix the mintrayr C++ code to not depend on removed interfaces... :-(
20:24:50 * instantbot mumbles something about c++ being evil
20:24:58 <flo> took me some time to figure out...
20:25:11 <clokep> flo: Ah yes. Seems like he's redoing it all in ctypes though so...
20:25:25 <flo> that's not really what I saw
20:25:46 <clokep> Oh? He has a branch for it though, I saw some work in it.
20:25:54 <flo> it seemed he made the useful code a standard library (not an XPCOM component) exporting some regular functions, and then calling into that with ctypes
20:26:07 <clokep> Oh. Interesting...
20:26:23 <clokep> So he doesn't have to keep recompiling I'm guessing.
20:26:30 <flo> yes
20:27:00 * clokep forgets what he was going to do...
20:30:37 <flo> the l10n buildbot probably still pulls the mozilla5 strings
20:32:13 <flo> I'm not really satisfied of that code (the code pulling the mozilla strings), and I remember Even was very dissatisfied of it (= wanted me to rewrite it) at the time of the moz2->moz5 switch on the nightlies
20:34:05 <clokep> I remember complaints about it. ;)
20:35:14 <flo> we should probably email translators this evening both about this (saying they can just ignore the pointless warnings) and about the new sametime.properties file
20:36:32 <flo> and seriously look into this mess before the next release
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21:35:07 <flo> apparently http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleDebug.cpp#223 fails with moz6
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22:11:39 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7c332c71ff22 - Florian Queze - Fix error console links which broke with the moz6 update.
22:14:12 <flo> clokep: the sametime plugin has the annoying default behavior of attempting to prompt for the user to enter a servername if the user hasn't set one in the advanced options of the account :(
22:15:02 <clokep> :-/ Do other protocols do that flo?
22:15:11 <flo> no. That's a stupid behavior
22:15:29 <flo> other protocols use user name splits
22:15:32 <clokep> It should be part of hte username split.
22:15:34 <clokep> Yeah.
22:15:45 <clokep> I can look into doing that.
22:15:50 <flo> apparently it somehow used to have some username split with the ":" character
22:15:56 <flo> I don't know why it was removed
22:16:19 <flo> there's this comment in the code:     /* annoying user split from 1.2.0, need to undo it */
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22:17:07 <clokep> Blah. Do you want to block on that or check it in and add the username split after? (Or maybe check it in, but don't build it?)
22:17:24 * clokep is on his way out...he has a bottle of gin waiting for him with some friends.
22:17:39 <flo> "check it in, but don't build it" that would be pointless
22:17:44 <flo> we could either try to fix it
22:18:08 <flo> or at the very least make the account connection fail with an explicit error message saying to fill in the "Server" advanced property
22:18:24 <flo> that would suck, but probably let most users figure out what's wrong
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22:18:52 <clokep> Right. :-/
22:19:05 <clokep> Personally I'd say we should add the username split back in.
22:19:18 <clokep> I wonder if it was removed because the : character ended up being needed?
22:19:19 <flo> I'd like to figure out the reason for the removal before that
22:19:22 <clokep> We should ask in #pidgin.
22:19:29 <flo> that's what I wondered
22:19:42 <flo> I know almost nothing about that protocol :(
22:19:44 <clokep> It could very well be used to specify a port on an internal server.
22:19:52 <flo> maybe we could find it in the blame of the file?
22:20:02 <clokep> Ah, does monotone allow such a thing?
22:20:05 <clokep> :P
22:20:12 <flo> if you find the magic incantation for it, yes
22:20:23 <flo> but there's an hg converted repo somewhere
22:20:31 <flo> http://hg.guifications.org/pidgin-firstpass-completedmaps/
22:20:54 <clokep> (Also...are the changes I made to sametime.c possibly wanted upstream, not sure if they care about msvc compatibility.)
22:21:06 <flo> if that change was made before the gaim->pidgin rename, you will probably be stuck with looking somewhere else
22:21:19 <flo> they tend to accept these changes when I submit them
22:21:41 <clokep> K, I can file a bug on it I guess? Although I'd have to make a patch, bleh.
22:21:52 <flo> so we can probably upstream them if it simplify future updates for us :).
22:22:07 <flo> If it doesn't (because it's never going to be updated), oh well... :-D
22:22:25 <clokep> Unfortunately it doesn't seem like we can upstream the meanwhile stuff since it's like never been updated. :P
22:22:59 <flo> they are supposed to switch to hg and give me write access, so we could probably create an "instantbird" branch there (Adium has a branch in the current monotone repo), just push our changes, and let them cherry pick what they like
22:23:16 <clokep> Uhhh....those revision messags are useless.
22:23:24 <flo> yeah...
22:23:52 <clokep> (And that server is really slow. :-X)
22:24:05 <flo> was going to say that :-|
22:25:01 <flo> but don't hesitate to go have fun with that bottle and your friends. Sametime can wait a bit more. It has already waited for years ;).
22:25:22 <clokep> Oh there's a keg too. ;)
22:25:40 <clokep> Yeah I'm just checking the first revision in there to see if it's there or not.
22:25:49 <clokep> Can always find the revision later.
22:26:21 <clokep> http://hg.guifications.org/pidgin-firstpass-completedmaps/file/a21714c1c983/libpurple/protocols/sametime/sametime.c#l3689 Bleh. :(
22:26:26 <clokep> First revision in there has that comment.
22:26:31 <flo> arg, the "/* annoying user split from 1.2.0, need to undo it */" comment was added in the "adding sametime support to the build " revision :(
22:27:02 <flo> and that was in 2007, from a developer who has probably left
22:27:15 <clokep> Probably. :-/ Have they used trac long enough to have that at least?
22:27:21 <clokep> If there's maybe a ticket on it.
22:27:33 <clokep> I'll check it out tonight/tomorrow.
22:27:35 <clokep> Have a good evening. :)
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22:27:57 <flo> http://hg.guifications.org/pidgin-firstpass-completedmaps/annotate/e66b1f0418c0/src/protocols/sametime/sametime.c#l3080
22:28:37 <flo> trac was created at the Gaim->Pidgin migration time. I think they used the sourceforge bugtracker before
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