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07:17:37 <Mic> Good morning
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12:42:45 <flo> clokep_work: there's no context in your diff :(
12:51:13 <clokep_work> Oh? :( I made it using just "diff" from the command line and had some trouble using it...:-/
12:51:32 <clokep_work> But I thought I checked it to make sure it seemed reasonable.
12:52:05 <clokep_work> (I also forgot to add the sametime files in -- it's just the meanwhile ones)
12:53:39 <clokep_work> I should have added lines around it too, is there a way to just give the hg/git style diff from diffutils?
12:55:26 <clokep_work> Don't worry about it then -- I'll get you a better diff today, sorry. :(
12:58:23 <clokep_work> But if you could get me that properties file...I could give you a full patch. :-D
13:01:40 <flo> sure
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13:01:49 <flo> hg does unified diff by default
13:01:57 <flo> (use |diff -u| for that)
13:03:07 <flo> and I think (but I'm not completely sure) the good command to use is |diff -u -U 8 -p|, -U 8 specifying "8 lines of context instead of the default 3, -p adding the function names in the diff
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13:04:36 <flo> your diff already shows that you used C++ style (|//| comments). C89 only supports C style comments (|/* ... */|), that would produce warnings
13:04:38 <instantbot> c++ is evil
13:06:19 <clokep_work> Oh? I didn't know that. :(
13:06:26 <clokep_work> I can fix that.
13:06:38 <clokep_work> And yes, hg does unified by default, but I always do hg diff --git.
13:06:46 <flo> I'm not completely sure why you removed empty lines at the end of files
13:07:18 <flo> I think the --git style is only different for moved files and/or maybe for binary files
13:07:20 <clokep_work> It's possible my editor did it? The diff actually gave me a whole bunch of white space changes, but I added an ignore white space flag.
13:10:29 <flo> yeah, editors tend to do things like that
13:10:30 <clokep_work> I can make it so there's no white space changes though.
13:10:47 <clokep_work> I think a lot of it was trailing white space. :-/
13:11:13 <flo> if you had to ignore white space changes, it's likely your full patches contains lots of other changes that would be annoying if we ever have to update the meanwhile library
13:11:36 <flo> so it may be better to just take the original files again and apply against them your small diff
13:11:51 <clokep_work> OK. :)
13:12:46 <clokep_work> If "we ever have to update the meanwhile library"...which hasn't been updated in 5 years? ;)
13:14:07 <flo> heh :)
13:14:30 <flo> if you do the same with libqq after that, it may be updated more frequently :)
13:14:57 <clokep_work> Hah, yeah.
13:15:07 <clokep_work> Ah! Thanks for reminding me...I wanted to email the libqq guy.
13:15:23 <clokep_work> (The updated one, whatever that's called...just to ask about a status.)
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13:40:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 777 to bug 102.
13:40:41 <flo> this should help you a bit :)
13:40:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, (Re-)Add support for the Sametime protocol.
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13:42:29 <flo> clokep_work: is it what you want that sametime is compiled as a dynamically loaded plugin, rather than statically linked into libpurple like the other protocol plugins?
13:42:30 <clokep_work> Thanks flo!
13:42:53 <clokep_work> I don't want anything. ;) People are just asking for it and it seemed straightforward to add.
13:43:13 <clokep_work> I'm OK w/ it being statically linked. I'm not sure if the makefile is correct for that.
13:43:46 <clokep_work> But if it was dynamically loaded it could be released as an extension for 1.0 if we wanted...but that seems like a lot of work. :P
13:44:24 <flo> who cares? ;)
13:44:30 <flo> we could as well release 1.1 soon
13:44:47 <flo> by the way, shouldn't we switch to moz6 today for the nightlies?
13:44:50 <clokep_work> Yeah, as long as we have no regressions.
13:45:00 <clokep_work> moz6 is released now, so probably.
13:45:31 <clokep_work> (Pidgin 2.10.0 might be released soon too, but we might not want to pull that depending on the amount of time before we want to release.)
13:46:30 <flo> apparently the only change needed to link it statically is to add it in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/config/autoconf.mk.in#51
13:48:49 <clokep_work> Heh, that's easy. :)
13:51:07 <flo> please keep the protocol list in purple/libpurple/Makefile.in sorted alphabetically :)
13:52:38 <clokep_work> Would you like me to move netsoul so it's alphabetical too then? :P
13:52:53 <clokep_work> Or is that at the bottom since it's "external"?
13:53:00 <clokep_work> (I.e. not part of libpurple.)
13:53:05 <flo> both are fine :)
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13:54:12 <flo> what's the EXTRA_DIST thing for in sametime/Makefile.in ?
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13:57:48 <flo> have you seen this file? http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/makefiles.sh#49
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13:57:59 <clokep_work> flo: Probably unnecessary.
13:58:25 <clokep_work> I have no seen that file, what does it do?
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14:00:24 <flo> it helps configure generate makefiles faster (all the makefiles listed in that file are generated at once during configure. Others are generated while recursing through the folders)
14:02:09 <flo> ok, I think I've found why it failed to compile and link statically
14:03:27 <flo> in the prpl Makefile, the "PROTOCOL" variable name needs to match the name of the containing folder (like here http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/netsoul/Makefile.in#41) So you need to change you |PROTOCOL = meanwhile| line to |PROTOCOL = sametime|
14:04:37 <flo> and the value of the PROTOCOL variable is also used as the name of the properties file for localization
14:05:46 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. The name of the icons are meanwhile though, do those also need to be changed?
14:06:36 <flo> I think the name of the icon is taken from the prpl id (the "prpl-<something>" string)
14:07:10 <clokep_work> Ah, I assumed that PROTOCOL had to equal the <something> part of that for some reason. :)
14:07:25 <flo> it has to equal the folder name :)
14:07:53 <flo> (and with some more makefile hacking we could probably get rid of that variable in each prpl makefile :))
14:08:28 <flo> nah, the icons work, you don't need to rename them
14:08:35 <clokep_work> OK! :)
14:09:36 <flo> (and it compiles fine on Mac, both dynamically and statically, with the changes I just mentioned)
14:11:16 <clokep_work> Awesome. :) Thanks so much for the help!
14:12:39 <flo> the warning while compiling on mac: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/896
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14:14:00 <flo> |channel.c:135:1: warning: multi-line comment| looks like yours. I think you can ignore others
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14:15:28 <clokep_work> Yes, that sounds like me.
14:18:28 * flo is pulling the code for moz6
14:18:33 <flo> that's slow :-/
14:22:58 <flo> 4753 files updated, 0 files merged, 3212 files removed, 0 files unresolved
14:23:12 <clokep_work> That's a lot of files removed. (o_O)
14:23:55 * clokep_work wonders what was removed.
14:25:26 <flo> mostly tests apparently
14:25:34 <flo> it's possible they've been moved
14:26:02 <flo> and are counted in both updated and removed
14:26:36 <clokep_work> microsummaries was removed. ;)
14:27:29 <flo> ok, let's see if this compiles
14:27:42 * flo goes do some kayaking during that compilation
14:30:04 <clokep_work> Enjoy! :)
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16:04:18 <flo> can I join the people complaining about excessive memory usage? :-D
16:04:39 <flo> Firefox -> 859MB, instantbird -> 537MB. Uh.
16:05:53 <flo> I would like to believe it's caused by having #developers and another or two IRC channels with the same traffic opened in tabs for a few days (a week or so?), but I'm not even really sure
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16:21:47 <clokep_work> :(
16:21:53 <clokep_work> We do have a bug about removing old messages... ;)
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16:39:07 <clokep_work> Bleh I really disagree with Limi's idea of messaging people...
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17:53:03 <deOmega> hey all.  Finally  did mozilla irc.   recently did a clean upgrade on my pc
17:53:32 <deOmega> clokep.  I messed with teh  document on typewithme
17:53:58 <clokep_work> Oh? I haven't looked all day, been busy.
17:54:01 <clokep_work> Glad oyu got it set up again.
17:55:07 <deOmega> thank you
17:55:56 <clokep_work> It's not 50k because I only listed the few most popular. :p
17:57:26 <deOmega> ah, ok
18:02:06 <clokep_work> Yup!
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18:04:57 <deOmega> I have never quite understood the discussion:  Grouping buddies first by protocol then by group
18:05:09 <deOmega> so here is  my take if  anyone can help me at their leisure
18:05:22 <deOmega> When i install instantbird:
18:05:55 <deOmega> IT loads  my friends in groups by protocols.   So all my msn friends under msn, google under google.  etc
18:06:20 <deOmega> that is perfect
18:06:25 <deOmega> now...
18:08:47 <deOmega> This is where i am lost.  are the groups gonna be subsets to each protocol, wherein...
18:09:20 <deOmega> sorry, on second thought, since it does not make sense to me, it means i have no need for it, and i guess this is where an addon is as you have indicated a fantastic idea :)
18:09:34 <clokep_work> People want each protocol to be it's own super-group.
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18:10:33 <deOmega> so if you have a group called GAMERS.  and you have 1 friend on msn and another on aol
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18:11:34 <deOmega> ' would be listed as a sub in each group?  
18:12:01 <clokep_work> deOmega: Something like this: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/897
18:13:02 <deOmega> clokep_work: OK, thank you!
18:14:19 <clokep_work> Instead of http://pastebin.instantbird.com/898 (which is what we have right now.)
18:14:37 <clokep_work> But the issue (in my mind at least) is that most people have just everyone in a big "Friends" group and use different networks instead of groups.
18:16:14 <deOmega> My list is whatever teh default is.   msn contacts under msn, google under google etc
18:16:26 <deOmega> but now i understand much more clearly. thank you
18:16:36 <clokep_work> No problem. :)
18:16:39 <clokep_work> Does what we're saying make sense?
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18:17:11 <deOmega> i am reading it again now that i have a bette runderstanding
18:21:33 <deOmega> yeah i understand  better now for sure.  I suppose until  you showed me the pastebin examples, i had never seen any other  variation to what is the default layout.
18:22:20 <clokep_work> Some IM programs separate them that way (Trillian I think?)
18:22:55 <clokep_work> Especially when you start combining your contacts though...it doesn't make sense to do that.
18:23:39 <Mic> Maybe we should have a video showing how to combine contacts and why it is a great thing to do that
18:23:51 <Mic> oh, need to go, bbl :(
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18:25:09 <clokep_work> Since then you end up with http://pastebin.instantbird.com/899 (once you combine people)
18:25:22 <clokep_work> Mic: Ah a screen cast would be good for that! :)
18:25:31 <deOmega> ah, i have never  noticed.  I think all i really may need to know is what protocol i am chatting with him/her under for various reasons.   Thanks indeed for the information.   SOunds great mic :)
18:26:12 <clokep_work> What are those reasons though? That's what we're trying to understand. ;)
18:27:09 <deOmega> oh.  Some of my contacts communicate over certain protocols when they are at work and change when they are at home.
18:27:32 <deOmega> Most use googletalk when  they are working, and msn or aol when not at work.
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18:28:29 <deOmega> Another helpful thing would be to know when someone is chatting by phone or not
18:29:16 <deOmega> Ah, speaking of helpful things:   Mic:  (I hope this does not ping you and if so, sorry)  Anyway.. on  buddy status notify:
18:29:44 <clokep_work> deOmega: But if they're on the phone it should have the little phone icon. :)
18:30:14 <clokep_work> (which is kind of broken for GTalk, cause it reports you as "online" instead of on the phone, Idk if XMPP supports that...but we can get it anyway since the resource is android...)
18:30:34 <clokep_work> Well if they sign into both at work and home...it's kind of their fault. ;)
18:30:36 <deOmega> with so many people using mobile phones for messengers now, we get a lot of online offline  notifications, as they  gain/drop signals.  would be nice to ignore  the offenders at some point.
18:31:44 <deOmega> clokep_work: ok, was gonna say, I have never seen the phone icon for anyone :( on IB.
18:38:58 <clokep_work> Yeah I don't think XMPP supports a "mobile" status.
18:39:03 <clokep_work> But for GTalk we could figure it out...
18:41:07 <deOmega> OK, thanks.
18:42:13 <clokep_work> I'll file a bug on it...
18:43:07 <deOmega> If yu are busy with other stuff, i could do that  in a bit
18:43:26 <deOmega> things have slowed dramatically here for me today
18:49:13 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 972 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
18:49:15 <clokep_work> Already done. ;)
18:49:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Mark GTalk users on Android as "mobile"
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18:52:44 <deOmega> thanks :)
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20:17:21 <clokep_work> deOmega; Yes I have a persist patch up that's waiting for a review from flo.
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20:49:24 <Mic> deOmega: I'll try to think of something.
20:56:34 <Mic> lol: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq2xtbAaQj1qk2c1r.jpg
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20:58:48 <DGMurdockIII> we need QQ on instantbird
20:59:01 <clokep_work> QQ is on Instantbird.
20:59:08 <clokep_work> Mic that's pretty awesome. :)
20:59:46 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
21:00:00 <DGMurdockIII> i seen alot of commont that people want it
21:00:02 <clokep_work> Whether QQ works or not...I wouldn't know. I don't have a QQ account.
21:00:15 <clokep_work> Where?
21:00:18 <DGMurdockIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ
21:00:27 <DGMurdockIII> let me get you the link
21:00:33 <clokep_work> I know what QQ is.
21:00:42 <clokep_work> Where have you seen a lot of people comment that they want it?
21:01:03 <clokep_work> And Instantbird /does/ support QQ, I just don't think it works very well.
21:01:13 <clokep_work> On my to-do list is to look into updating it.
21:04:07 <EionRobb> are you using the 3rd party prpl or the support in libpurple?
21:04:29 <DGMurdockIII> let me get the lenk wew i have seen it
21:05:34 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Well Instantbird 1.0 had libpurple 2.7.11 I believe, which still included QQ.
21:05:50 <clokep_work> Nightlies are still using that version. I was going to look into using the 3rd party one, but I'm not sure how well it works.
21:06:03 <EionRobb> the 3rd party one works, the libpurple one doesn't
21:06:25 <clokep_work> Ah well, I guess it doesn't matter how well it works then. ;) Anything working is better than not working. :-D
21:06:29 <EionRobb> :)
21:06:34 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): http://lifehacker.com/5816618/instantbird-is-a-lightweight-cross+platform-instant-messaging-app-with-sharp-looks
21:07:03 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): when you go to the coments at bottom click on all
21:08:41 * Mic just read "Firefox 6 for developers" on MDN and frankly .. there's nothing really exciting in it :(
21:09:26 <DGMurdockIII> is firefox 7 beta out
21:10:12 <clokep_work> Yeah, Firefox 6 doesn't have much new in it. :-/
21:10:15 <Mic> There was a Firefox update day a few days ago, so whatever status Fx7 had, it's now one further
21:11:09 * clokep_work updated to Firefox 9. ;)
21:11:45 <Mic> Bah, version numbers are irrelevant and should be removed.
21:12:08 <Mic> scnr ;)
21:12:19 <clokep_work> OK Asa.
21:12:50 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): did you see what i was talking about with QQ
21:13:18 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Yes I see a couple of people complaining it doesn't work, we should update to the new plug-in, but no one has done it yet.
21:13:24 <flo> clokep_work: what's that "persist patch"?
21:13:52 * flo needs to read the "Fx 6 for developers" page too, to decide if we can "just switch to moz6" or if it needs some code changes
21:13:53 <clokep_work> flo: System tray persisting...bug 749
21:13:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, System Tray Icon should persist even when Buddy List is open
21:14:16 <DGMurdockIII> that would also help bring people over from pidgin as i dont think pidgin is going to support qq anymore
21:14:33 <Mic> flo: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_6_for_developers (still had the link opened)
21:14:56 <flo> Mic: Thanks! :)
21:15:17 <flo> I must admit I kinda hopped you would past the link :-]
21:15:52 <EionRobb> DGMurdockIII: correct, pidgin has dropped QQ since noone was maintaining it
21:16:05 <clokep_work> Yeah...I didn't so much interesting, except maybe WebSockets if you're into that sort of thing.
21:17:23 <DGMurdockIII> 2(EionRobb2): that why i think supporting QQ could be good for instantbird
21:18:41 <flo> don't we have too many systray-related preferences already?
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21:19:40 <clokep_work> Yes, but I figured it might be important enough to show.
21:19:57 <clokep_work> Since if you disable minimizing to tray, you'll probably disable the system tray altogether.
21:21:09 * flo dreams of someone figuring out what the good default behavior is, implementing it in a sane way, and removing all the stupid preferences :-]
21:22:17 * clokep_work dreams of removing system tray support.
21:22:54 <flo> what about removing Windows support? :-P
21:23:00 <Mic> ah, .. /me could almost hear people complaining about being patronized by software developers that don't offer preferences for everything and "know what's good for their users"
21:23:10 <clokep_work> We can probably just have it persist always and make it an about:config option if you want.
21:23:28 <clokep_work> Since we also default to minimizing to tray, it makes sense to have the tray icon.
21:23:40 <clokep_work> I don't know what percentage of users hate system tray altogether like I do. ;)
21:24:17 <clokep_work> It needs to be configurable. I don't have a strong feeling whether we need a pref for it. :-D
21:24:35 <Mook_as> slap it into an addon and stick the prefs in about:addons :p
21:24:35 <clokep_work> (As in a preference on the preferences menu or if it's just about:config)
21:24:42 <clokep_work> I need to get going though.
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21:24:54 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I thought of that, simplest add-on ever? :-D
21:25:10 <clokep_work> Well...I was thinking put just the pref UI in the add-on...
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21:39:04 <Mic> nn
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21:40:42 <flo> the pref could also be moved from the general tab of the prefwindow to somewhere less visible (with the other junk in Advanced? :-D)
21:42:08 <Mook_as> or some sort of OS integration prefs, if there's more of those
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21:49:17 <flo> does "OS integration" mean anything for people who are not aware it's possible to not use Windows?
21:51:52 <Mook_as> I don't know, you'll need to find somebody who is not aware it's possible to not use Windows to ask :)
21:52:44 <EionRobb> we all know that the linux and the apple use windows
21:52:55 <EionRobb> windows is more than office you know, it's the whole computer from start to finish
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21:54:15 <EionRobb> I've been telling my community group for years that the linux is for computer hackers and recommend their children seek counselling if they have been stealing the linux from the internet
21:55:02 <EionRobb> :P
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21:57:31 * flo is reading the Fx6 for developers page
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21:57:52 <flo> "The standard event.defaultPrevented property is now supported; you should use this instead of the non-standard getPreventdefault() method" can be applied on 1 line of our code
21:58:09 <flo> "The EventTarget function addEventListener()'s useCapture parameter is now optional" is worth a nice cleanup :)
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22:10:20 <flo> "The app.update.timer preference was removed; you need to use the app.update.timerMinimumDelay preference instead." hmm
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22:25:54 <deOmega> Thanks clokep on the response regarding the system tray thingamajig.
22:26:33 <deOmega> Thanks mic. on the possible work :)
22:28:24 <deOmega> flo:  good to see you back.  I personally do not apply much importance to the many systemtray related thoughts...
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22:28:50 <flo> deOmega: hello :)
22:29:28 <deOmega> The only things i cared for really is to have the program minimized instead of close, and when in systemtray, the option to restore it with a single-click.   All of those are possible
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22:30:51 <deOmega> currently, so i am happy.  But it seems like for people who has a lot of passion  (lol) for the contact list, features like a persistent tray and an extended menu... i dunno,  they  seem to make sense.
22:31:00 <deOmega> but, i am really a basic user.
22:32:36 <deOmega> The only thing i do advance or will do from an advanced standpoint (and I say advance with a smile :) ), is irc features.  
22:35:39 <deOmega> But please do not start getting  tired of the various requests as yet.  lol.. some of them will fade into the sunset over time as more of the features I know you have discussed for instantbird, come into existence.
22:36:30 <deOmega> (I personally had  a lot of 'wants' that i cannot even remember now, because my needs for messaging are now met)
22:37:01 <flo> :)
22:38:13 <deOmega> Unique features will make people forget, and they come as it is built, and when they are truly tired of waiting for peculiar features, the community will  implement them as addons (While complaining, just like with FF).  We will always complain.
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22:39:30 <deOmega> As a matter of fact, I see no reason why IB should not be able to watch my online shopping experience and generate a budgeted shopping list... but, i digress :)
22:39:50 <flo> there's a very significant difference between "complaining" and "reporting issues" ;)
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22:41:19 <flo> hmm, mintrayr doesn't compile with mozilla6 :-S
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22:41:42 <flo> I wonder if there's already a fix in the upstream repository
22:42:45 <deOmega> Gave a great evening.
22:43:14 <deOmega> she did.  lol
22:43:24 <deOmega> but now i am saying HAVE a great evening :)
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23:38:55 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e6a31d031f29 - Florian Quèze - Update to Mozilla 6.
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23:45:39 <clokep> Ah interesting...he's working on a ctypes version of mintrayr.
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