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C89 only supports C style comments (|/* ... */|), that would produce warnings 13:04:38 <instantbot> c++ is evil 13:06:19 <clokep_work> Oh? I didn't know that. :( 13:06:26 <clokep_work> I can fix that. 13:06:38 <clokep_work> And yes, hg does unified by default, but I always do hg diff --git. 13:06:46 <flo> I'm not completely sure why you removed empty lines at the end of files 13:07:18 <flo> I think the --git style is only different for moved files and/or maybe for binary files 13:07:20 <clokep_work> It's possible my editor did it? The diff actually gave me a whole bunch of white space changes, but I added an ignore white space flag. 13:10:29 <flo> yeah, editors tend to do things like that 13:10:30 <clokep_work> I can make it so there's no white space changes though. 13:10:47 <clokep_work> I think a lot of it was trailing white space. :-/ 13:11:13 <flo> if you had to ignore white space changes, it's likely your full patches contains lots of other changes that would be annoying if we ever have to update the meanwhile library 13:11:36 <flo> so it may be better to just take the original files again and apply against them your small diff 13:11:51 <clokep_work> OK. :) 13:12:46 <clokep_work> If "we ever have to update the meanwhile library"...which hasn't been updated in 5 years? ;) 13:14:07 <flo> heh :) 13:14:30 <flo> if you do the same with libqq after that, it may be updated more frequently :) 13:14:57 <clokep_work> Hah, yeah. 13:15:07 <clokep_work> Ah! Thanks for reminding me...I wanted to email the libqq guy. 13:15:23 <clokep_work> (The updated one, whatever that's called...just to ask about a status.) 13:32:15 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 13:40:39 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 777 to bug 102. 13:40:41 <flo> this should help you a bit :) 13:40:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, (Re-)Add support for the Sametime protocol. 13:41:20 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 13:42:29 <flo> clokep_work: is it what you want that sametime is compiled as a dynamically loaded plugin, rather than statically linked into libpurple like the other protocol plugins? 13:42:30 <clokep_work> Thanks flo! 13:42:53 <clokep_work> I don't want anything. ;) People are just asking for it and it seemed straightforward to add. 13:43:13 <clokep_work> I'm OK w/ it being statically linked. I'm not sure if the makefile is correct for that. 13:43:46 <clokep_work> But if it was dynamically loaded it could be released as an extension for 1.0 if we wanted...but that seems like a lot of work. :P 13:44:24 <flo> who cares? ;) 13:44:30 <flo> we could as well release 1.1 soon 13:44:47 <flo> by the way, shouldn't we switch to moz6 today for the nightlies? 13:44:50 <clokep_work> Yeah, as long as we have no regressions. 13:45:00 <clokep_work> moz6 is released now, so probably. 13:45:31 <clokep_work> (Pidgin 2.10.0 might be released soon too, but we might not want to pull that depending on the amount of time before we want to release.) 13:46:30 <flo> apparently the only change needed to link it statically is to add it in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/config/autoconf.mk.in#51 13:48:49 <clokep_work> Heh, that's easy. :) 13:51:07 <flo> please keep the protocol list in purple/libpurple/Makefile.in sorted alphabetically :) 13:52:38 <clokep_work> Would you like me to move netsoul so it's alphabetical too then? :P 13:52:53 <clokep_work> Or is that at the bottom since it's "external"? 13:53:00 <clokep_work> (I.e. not part of libpurple.) 13:53:05 <flo> both are fine :) 13:53:35 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 13:54:12 <flo> what's the EXTRA_DIST thing for in sametime/Makefile.in ? 13:54:27 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 13:54:34 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 13:57:48 <flo> have you seen this file? http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/makefiles.sh#49 13:57:51 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 13:57:59 <clokep_work> flo: Probably unnecessary. 13:58:25 <clokep_work> I have no seen that file, what does it do? 13:58:40 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 13:58:46 <-- ecaron has left #instantbird () 14:00:24 <flo> it helps configure generate makefiles faster (all the makefiles listed in that file are generated at once during configure. Others are generated while recursing through the folders) 14:02:09 <flo> ok, I think I've found why it failed to compile and link statically 14:03:27 <flo> in the prpl Makefile, the "PROTOCOL" variable name needs to match the name of the containing folder (like here http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/netsoul/Makefile.in#41) So you need to change you |PROTOCOL = meanwhile| line to |PROTOCOL = sametime| 14:04:37 <flo> and the value of the PROTOCOL variable is also used as the name of the properties file for localization 14:05:46 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. The name of the icons are meanwhile though, do those also need to be changed? 14:06:36 <flo> I think the name of the icon is taken from the prpl id (the "prpl-<something>" string) 14:07:10 <clokep_work> Ah, I assumed that PROTOCOL had to equal the <something> part of that for some reason. :) 14:07:25 <flo> it has to equal the folder name :) 14:07:53 <flo> (and with some more makefile hacking we could probably get rid of that variable in each prpl makefile :)) 14:08:28 <flo> nah, the icons work, you don't need to rename them 14:08:35 <clokep_work> OK! :) 14:09:36 <flo> (and it compiles fine on Mac, both dynamically and statically, with the changes I just mentioned) 14:11:16 <clokep_work> Awesome. :) Thanks so much for the help! 14:12:39 <flo> the warning while compiling on mac: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/896 14:13:51 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 14:14:00 <flo> |channel.c:135:1: warning: multi-line comment| looks like yours. I think you can ignore others 14:15:15 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:15:28 <clokep_work> Yes, that sounds like me. 14:18:28 * flo is pulling the code for moz6 14:18:33 <flo> that's slow :-/ 14:22:58 <flo> 4753 files updated, 0 files merged, 3212 files removed, 0 files unresolved 14:23:12 <clokep_work> That's a lot of files removed. (o_O) 14:23:55 * clokep_work wonders what was removed. 14:25:26 <flo> mostly tests apparently 14:25:34 <flo> it's possible they've been moved 14:26:02 <flo> and are counted in both updated and removed 14:26:36 <clokep_work> microsummaries was removed. ;) 14:27:29 <flo> ok, let's see if this compiles 14:27:42 * flo goes do some kayaking during that compilation 14:30:04 <clokep_work> Enjoy! :) 14:41:18 --> gmoro_ has joined #instantbird 14:50:01 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 15:11:51 <-- gmoro_ has quit (Client exited) 15:14:10 --> gmoro_ has joined #instantbird 15:29:07 <-- harlock has quit (Ping timeout) 15:29:31 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 15:33:27 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 15:39:44 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 15:42:26 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 15:49:15 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 15:51:15 <-- harlock has quit (Ping timeout) 15:51:15 --> harlock1 has joined #instantbird 15:52:13 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 15:53:27 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 16:00:03 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 16:04:18 <flo> can I join the people complaining about excessive memory usage? :-D 16:04:39 <flo> Firefox -> 859MB, instantbird -> 537MB. Uh. 16:05:53 <flo> I would like to believe it's caused by having #developers and another or two IRC channels with the same traffic opened in tabs for a few days (a week or so?), but I'm not even really sure 16:08:41 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:11:24 <-- harlock1 has quit (Quit: Baibai) 16:21:47 <clokep_work> :( 16:21:53 <clokep_work> We do have a bug about removing old messages... ;) 16:30:07 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 16:39:07 <clokep_work> Bleh I really disagree with Limi's idea of messaging people... 16:42:02 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 16:42:37 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 16:51:29 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:56:43 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 16:56:48 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:58:43 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 17:01:33 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1) 17:06:48 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 17:07:56 --> groovecoder has joined #instantbird 17:12:12 <-- groovecoder has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 17:14:27 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 17:16:46 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:23:25 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 17:23:26 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 17:51:55 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 17:51:58 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 17:53:03 <deOmega> hey all. Finally did mozilla irc. recently did a clean upgrade on my pc 17:53:32 <deOmega> clokep. I messed with teh document on typewithme 17:53:58 <clokep_work> Oh? I haven't looked all day, been busy. 17:54:01 <clokep_work> Glad oyu got it set up again. 17:55:07 <deOmega> thank you 17:55:56 <clokep_work> It's not 50k because I only listed the few most popular. :p 17:57:26 <deOmega> ah, ok 18:02:06 <clokep_work> Yup! 18:03:05 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 18:04:32 <-- ecaron has left #instantbird () 18:04:57 <deOmega> I have never quite understood the discussion: Grouping buddies first by protocol then by group 18:05:09 <deOmega> so here is my take if anyone can help me at their leisure 18:05:22 <deOmega> When i install instantbird: 18:05:55 <deOmega> IT loads my friends in groups by protocols. So all my msn friends under msn, google under google. etc 18:06:20 <deOmega> that is perfect 18:06:25 <deOmega> now... 18:08:47 <deOmega> This is where i am lost. are the groups gonna be subsets to each protocol, wherein... 18:09:20 <deOmega> sorry, on second thought, since it does not make sense to me, it means i have no need for it, and i guess this is where an addon is as you have indicated a fantastic idea :) 18:09:34 <clokep_work> People want each protocol to be it's own super-group. 18:10:09 <-- rikki1 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:10:33 <deOmega> so if you have a group called GAMERS. and you have 1 friend on msn and another on aol 18:11:06 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 18:11:34 <deOmega> ' would be listed as a sub in each group? 18:12:01 <clokep_work> deOmega: Something like this: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/897 18:13:02 <deOmega> clokep_work: OK, thank you! 18:14:19 <clokep_work> Instead of http://pastebin.instantbird.com/898 (which is what we have right now.) 18:14:37 <clokep_work> But the issue (in my mind at least) is that most people have just everyone in a big "Friends" group and use different networks instead of groups. 18:16:14 <deOmega> My list is whatever teh default is. msn contacts under msn, google under google etc 18:16:26 <deOmega> but now i understand much more clearly. thank you 18:16:36 <clokep_work> No problem. :) 18:16:39 <clokep_work> Does what we're saying make sense? 18:16:46 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:16:47 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:17:11 <deOmega> i am reading it again now that i have a bette runderstanding 18:21:33 <deOmega> yeah i understand better now for sure. I suppose until you showed me the pastebin examples, i had never seen any other variation to what is the default layout. 18:22:20 <clokep_work> Some IM programs separate them that way (Trillian I think?) 18:22:55 <clokep_work> Especially when you start combining your contacts though...it doesn't make sense to do that. 18:23:39 <Mic> Maybe we should have a video showing how to combine contacts and why it is a great thing to do that 18:23:51 <Mic> oh, need to go, bbl :( 18:24:12 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 18:25:09 <clokep_work> Since then you end up with http://pastebin.instantbird.com/899 (once you combine people) 18:25:22 <clokep_work> Mic: Ah a screen cast would be good for that! :) 18:25:31 <deOmega> ah, i have never noticed. I think all i really may need to know is what protocol i am chatting with him/her under for various reasons. Thanks indeed for the information. SOunds great mic :) 18:26:12 <clokep_work> What are those reasons though? That's what we're trying to understand. ;) 18:27:09 <deOmega> oh. Some of my contacts communicate over certain protocols when they are at work and change when they are at home. 18:27:32 <deOmega> Most use googletalk when they are working, and msn or aol when not at work. 18:27:38 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:28:29 <deOmega> Another helpful thing would be to know when someone is chatting by phone or not 18:29:16 <deOmega> Ah, speaking of helpful things: Mic: (I hope this does not ping you and if so, sorry) Anyway.. on buddy status notify: 18:29:44 <clokep_work> deOmega: But if they're on the phone it should have the little phone icon. :) 18:30:14 <clokep_work> (which is kind of broken for GTalk, cause it reports you as "online" instead of on the phone, Idk if XMPP supports that...but we can get it anyway since the resource is android...) 18:30:34 <clokep_work> Well if they sign into both at work and home...it's kind of their fault. ;) 18:30:36 <deOmega> with so many people using mobile phones for messengers now, we get a lot of online offline notifications, as they gain/drop signals. would be nice to ignore the offenders at some point. 18:31:44 <deOmega> clokep_work: ok, was gonna say, I have never seen the phone icon for anyone :( on IB. 18:38:58 <clokep_work> Yeah I don't think XMPP supports a "mobile" status. 18:39:03 <clokep_work> But for GTalk we could figure it out... 18:41:07 <deOmega> OK, thanks. 18:42:13 <clokep_work> I'll file a bug on it... 18:43:07 <deOmega> If yu are busy with other stuff, i could do that in a bit 18:43:26 <deOmega> things have slowed dramatically here for me today 18:49:13 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 972 filed by email@example.com. 18:49:15 <clokep_work> Already done. ;) 18:49:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Mark GTalk users on Android as "mobile" 18:51:15 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:52:44 <deOmega> thanks :) 18:53:36 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 18:58:58 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:11:55 <-- mmkmou has left #instantbird () 19:13:52 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 19:16:11 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 19:17:34 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:19:55 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 19:27:25 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 19:28:42 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:29:27 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 19:37:26 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 19:45:44 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout) 19:48:43 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 20:10:53 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 20:11:55 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 20:12:18 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 20:17:21 <clokep_work> deOmega; Yes I have a persist patch up that's waiting for a review from flo. 20:22:26 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 20:23:17 <-- aleth has left #instantbird () 20:32:53 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout) 20:39:08 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 20:43:27 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 20:49:24 <Mic> deOmega: I'll try to think of something. 20:56:34 <Mic> lol: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq2xtbAaQj1qk2c1r.jpg 20:58:00 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 20:58:45 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:58:48 <DGMurdockIII> we need QQ on instantbird 20:59:01 <clokep_work> QQ is on Instantbird. 20:59:08 <clokep_work> Mic that's pretty awesome. :) 20:59:46 <DGMurdockIII> yeah 21:00:00 <DGMurdockIII> i seen alot of commont that people want it 21:00:02 <clokep_work> Whether QQ works or not...I wouldn't know. I don't have a QQ account. 21:00:15 <clokep_work> Where? 21:00:18 <DGMurdockIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ 21:00:27 <DGMurdockIII> let me get you the link 21:00:33 <clokep_work> I know what QQ is. 21:00:42 <clokep_work> Where have you seen a lot of people comment that they want it? 21:01:03 <clokep_work> And Instantbird /does/ support QQ, I just don't think it works very well. 21:01:13 <clokep_work> On my to-do list is to look into updating it. 21:04:07 <EionRobb> are you using the 3rd party prpl or the support in libpurple? 21:04:29 <DGMurdockIII> let me get the lenk wew i have seen it 21:05:34 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Well Instantbird 1.0 had libpurple 2.7.11 I believe, which still included QQ. 21:05:50 <clokep_work> Nightlies are still using that version. I was going to look into using the 3rd party one, but I'm not sure how well it works. 21:06:03 <EionRobb> the 3rd party one works, the libpurple one doesn't 21:06:25 <clokep_work> Ah well, I guess it doesn't matter how well it works then. ;) Anything working is better than not working. :-D 21:06:29 <EionRobb> :) 21:06:34 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): http://lifehacker.com/5816618/instantbird-is-a-lightweight-cross+platform-instant-messaging-app-with-sharp-looks 21:07:03 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): when you go to the coments at bottom click on all 21:08:41 * Mic just read "Firefox 6 for developers" on MDN and frankly .. there's nothing really exciting in it :( 21:09:26 <DGMurdockIII> is firefox 7 beta out 21:10:12 <clokep_work> Yeah, Firefox 6 doesn't have much new in it. :-/ 21:10:15 <Mic> There was a Firefox update day a few days ago, so whatever status Fx7 had, it's now one further 21:11:09 * clokep_work updated to Firefox 9. ;) 21:11:45 <Mic> Bah, version numbers are irrelevant and should be removed. 21:12:08 <Mic> scnr ;) 21:12:19 <clokep_work> OK Asa. 21:12:50 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): did you see what i was talking about with QQ 21:13:18 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Yes I see a couple of people complaining it doesn't work, we should update to the new plug-in, but no one has done it yet. 21:13:24 <flo> clokep_work: what's that "persist patch"? 21:13:52 * flo needs to read the "Fx 6 for developers" page too, to decide if we can "just switch to moz6" or if it needs some code changes 21:13:53 <clokep_work> flo: System tray persisting...bug 749 21:13:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, System Tray Icon should persist even when Buddy List is open 21:14:16 <DGMurdockIII> that would also help bring people over from pidgin as i dont think pidgin is going to support qq anymore 21:14:33 <Mic> flo: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_6_for_developers (still had the link opened) 21:14:56 <flo> Mic: Thanks! :) 21:15:17 <flo> I must admit I kinda hopped you would past the link :-] 21:15:52 <EionRobb> DGMurdockIII: correct, pidgin has dropped QQ since noone was maintaining it 21:16:05 <clokep_work> Yeah...I didn't so much interesting, except maybe WebSockets if you're into that sort of thing. 21:17:23 <DGMurdockIII> 2(EionRobb2): that why i think supporting QQ could be good for instantbird 21:18:41 <flo> don't we have too many systray-related preferences already? 21:19:22 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 21:19:40 <clokep_work> Yes, but I figured it might be important enough to show. 21:19:57 <clokep_work> Since if you disable minimizing to tray, you'll probably disable the system tray altogether. 21:21:09 * flo dreams of someone figuring out what the good default behavior is, implementing it in a sane way, and removing all the stupid preferences :-] 21:22:17 * clokep_work dreams of removing system tray support. 21:22:54 <flo> what about removing Windows support? :-P 21:23:00 <Mic> ah, .. /me could almost hear people complaining about being patronized by software developers that don't offer preferences for everything and "know what's good for their users" 21:23:10 <clokep_work> We can probably just have it persist always and make it an about:config option if you want. 21:23:28 <clokep_work> Since we also default to minimizing to tray, it makes sense to have the tray icon. 21:23:40 <clokep_work> I don't know what percentage of users hate system tray altogether like I do. ;) 21:24:17 <clokep_work> It needs to be configurable. I don't have a strong feeling whether we need a pref for it. :-D 21:24:35 <Mook_as> slap it into an addon and stick the prefs in about:addons :p 21:24:35 <clokep_work> (As in a preference on the preferences menu or if it's just about:config) 21:24:42 <clokep_work> I need to get going though. 21:24:50 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 21:24:54 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I thought of that, simplest add-on ever? :-D 21:25:10 <clokep_work> Well...I was thinking put just the pref UI in the add-on... 21:25:38 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:30:27 <-- ecaron has left #instantbird () 21:39:04 <Mic> nn 21:39:07 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:40:42 <flo> the pref could also be moved from the general tab of the prefwindow to somewhere less visible (with the other junk in Advanced? :-D) 21:42:08 <Mook_as> or some sort of OS integration prefs, if there's more of those 21:46:50 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 21:49:17 <flo> does "OS integration" mean anything for people who are not aware it's possible to not use Windows? 21:51:52 <Mook_as> I don't know, you'll need to find somebody who is not aware it's possible to not use Windows to ask :) 21:52:44 <EionRobb> we all know that the linux and the apple use windows 21:52:55 <EionRobb> windows is more than office you know, it's the whole computer from start to finish 21:53:18 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 21:54:15 <EionRobb> I've been telling my community group for years that the linux is for computer hackers and recommend their children seek counselling if they have been stealing the linux from the internet 21:55:02 <EionRobb> :P 21:57:01 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 21:57:31 * flo is reading the Fx6 for developers page 21:57:35 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 21:57:52 <flo> "The standard event.defaultPrevented property is now supported; you should use this instead of the non-standard getPreventdefault() method" can be applied on 1 line of our code 21:58:09 <flo> "The EventTarget function addEventListener()'s useCapture parameter is now optional" is worth a nice cleanup :) 22:03:24 <-- gmoro_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) 22:10:20 <flo> "The app.update.timer preference was removed; you need to use the app.update.timerMinimumDelay preference instead." hmm 22:19:23 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 22:19:56 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 22:22:01 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 22:24:09 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 22:25:54 <deOmega> Thanks clokep on the response regarding the system tray thingamajig. 22:26:33 <deOmega> Thanks mic. on the possible work :) 22:28:24 <deOmega> flo: good to see you back. I personally do not apply much importance to the many systemtray related thoughts... 22:28:26 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 22:28:32 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 22:28:50 <flo> deOmega: hello :) 22:29:28 <deOmega> The only things i cared for really is to have the program minimized instead of close, and when in systemtray, the option to restore it with a single-click. All of those are possible 22:29:57 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 22:30:31 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 22:30:51 <deOmega> currently, so i am happy. But it seems like for people who has a lot of passion (lol) for the contact list, features like a persistent tray and an extended menu... i dunno, they seem to make sense. 22:31:00 <deOmega> but, i am really a basic user. 22:32:36 <deOmega> The only thing i do advance or will do from an advanced standpoint (and I say advance with a smile :) ), is irc features. 22:35:39 <deOmega> But please do not start getting tired of the various requests as yet. lol.. some of them will fade into the sunset over time as more of the features I know you have discussed for instantbird, come into existence. 22:36:30 <deOmega> (I personally had a lot of 'wants' that i cannot even remember now, because my needs for messaging are now met) 22:37:01 <flo> :) 22:38:13 <deOmega> Unique features will make people forget, and they come as it is built, and when they are truly tired of waiting for peculiar features, the community will implement them as addons (While complaining, just like with FF). We will always complain. 22:39:05 --> mistraven has joined #instantbird 22:39:30 <deOmega> As a matter of fact, I see no reason why IB should not be able to watch my online shopping experience and generate a budgeted shopping list... but, i digress :) 22:39:50 <flo> there's a very significant difference between "complaining" and "reporting issues" ;) 22:40:32 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 22:41:04 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 22:41:19 <flo> hmm, mintrayr doesn't compile with mozilla6 :-S 22:41:27 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout) 22:41:42 <flo> I wonder if there's already a fix in the upstream repository 22:42:45 <deOmega> Gave a great evening. 22:43:14 <deOmega> she did. lol 22:43:24 <deOmega> but now i am saying HAVE a great evening :) 22:43:52 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 22:56:04 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 22:56:37 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 23:02:00 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 23:10:45 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 23:12:09 --> mistraven1 has joined #instantbird 23:12:39 <-- mistraven has quit (Ping timeout) 23:16:45 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:37:22 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 23:38:55 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e6a31d031f29 - Florian Quèze - Update to Mozilla 6. 23:40:03 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:40:03 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 23:45:39 <clokep> Ah interesting...he's working on a ctypes version of mintrayr. 23:52:14 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 23:54:35 --> sonny has joined #instantbird