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01:27:30 <clokep> flo the make-pot-file.sh file is dying on me since I don't seem to have intltool-update
01:33:30 <EionRobb> is instantbird vunerable to http://www.noptrix.net/advisories/adium_inject.txt ?
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01:42:02 <clokep> Hmm...we do sanitize our HTML somewhat, I'm not sure though.
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09:26:53 <Mic> Hello.
09:32:27 <flo> EionRobb: we currently don't support file transfer so no.
09:33:38 <flo> we sanitize very strictly all incoming messages to remove any possible javascript code or unwanted content but this isn't really a message, so once we support file transfer, we may need to HTML escape the file names before they are given to conversation themes
09:34:26 <EionRobb> if it helps, I've found out that libpurple escapes the filename before passing it to the UI
09:34:33 <EionRobb> completely forgot that you guys don't do file transfer yet :)
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11:40:05 <clokep_work> Limi's video from his brown bag is up finally if anyone is interested in it (apparently he mentions XMPP-esque stuff in it, if people remember that conversation).
11:40:47 <clokep_work> Entirely unrelated: if anyone is looking for a pretty good book to read, just finished "The Cuckoo's Egg", which was pretty good.
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12:24:31 <Mic> clokep_work: was that this talk about everything and nothing? ;)
12:27:11 <Mic> (I meant the one on Air Mozilla from .. approximately three weeks ago?)
12:28:58 <clokep_work> Yes, that's the one.
12:29:03 <clokep_work> From July 20th ish.
12:31:15 <Mic> What was the topic of this talk? I saw a good part of it but it was seemingly unrelated things..
12:31:56 <clokep_work> "Firefox Future UX" or something.
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13:59:50 <Mic> D'oh .. I just looked for 'Asa Dotzler troll' with Google and the results included his Wikipedia article.
14:04:01 <clokep_work> :( That's not good for his rep.
14:04:18 <FeuerFliege> good ol’ Asa … social skills below zero ;)
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14:11:32 <flo> Mic: trying to find the latest troll he started? ;)
14:13:01 <FeuerFliege> flo: something like that? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678775
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14:21:20 * clokep_work is working on a blog post maybe.
14:29:56 <Mic> FeuerFliege: that's where I started from ;)
14:30:06 <Mic> Heise.de pointed me to it ..
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14:50:40 <Mic> hmm, there's a Windows API to prevent going to standby .. might be useful to block standby if you're waiting for a message in a channel that isn't logged (happened to me a few times already)
14:52:29 <Mic> I guess it should have a visible UI thing to make clear that this might drain your laptop's batteries if not used wisely;)
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14:59:05 <Mic> I know we have a new look on Windows now but what do you think about the new add-on managers look? What deOmega uses to call the babyblue-look of Firefox?
15:01:40 <Mic> I think it could look nice on the account manager. It also has this alert-bubble that we could use for the "No accounts set up yet" message.
15:02:08 <Mic> The grey, flat look of this bubble looks out of place on Windows Vista/7
15:02:18 <clokep_work> I think we should update the look of the account manager, yes. Make the window bigger and include more information on it (a la the add on manager).
15:02:39 <clokep_work> Also, this is my idea (well deOmega's idea, that I refined) for a blog post: http://typewith.me/NYVRsNnWwZ
15:06:53 <Mic> I don't like the idea of suggesting a web forum for contacting us.
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15:20:35 <flo> clokep_work: "our suggestion is to rename the groups" except we don't support renaming groups? ;)
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15:23:15 <flo> "we'd love to support voice/video too!  But libpurple does not yet support voice/video on Windows or Mac" do we really care about what libpurple supports or not? ;)
15:29:10 <flo> "what's the preferred way to contact us / give us feedback? [...] Would you like to see a web forum? User voice? XMPP chat? Newsgroup?" -> would anybody take into account and act on the feedback/answers for that set of questions?
15:30:48 <flo> you missed the very very common feedback point about twitter: what about RT? Reply? etc...
15:31:25 <flo> the post is a bit long. Will people read it all?
15:31:53 <flo> I think people would expect to find at the end of the post the answer to the "what's next?" question.
15:32:01 <flo> but otherwise, great work! :)
15:36:28 <Mic> hmm, I don't think it's possible to tell if text was wrapped using getComputedStyle :(
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16:05:17 <clokep_work> flo: Yeah, it's long. I kind of ranted...I figured we'd bold sections and people can read things they're interested in.
16:06:33 <clokep_work> And yes, we can't rename groups. I changed it around. ;)
16:06:59 <clokep_work> I don't know if people would take into account / act on that feedback, just put down some stuff. :) Feel free to remove it.
16:07:38 <clokep_work> And I'm not sure what you mean about Twitter. :-/
16:08:45 <clokep_work> And any chance you can get me the sametime locale when you get a chance? If not I'm sure I can find the intltool for windows. :)
16:11:43 <clokep_work> Mic: I dislike (greatly) web forums also.
16:11:55 <clokep_work> But the mailing list is kind of messy. :-/ Especially accepting outside emails to it.
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18:12:49 <flo> clokep_work: I just meant that our twitter code still needs a lot of work, and people complained about that
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18:14:43 <flo> and yes, we can use <h2>, <h3>, etc... for sections. + bold the keywords of each paragraph
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18:24:26 <Mic> flo: there's a patch sitting in bug 952, I guess you just didn't notice?
18:24:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952 enh, --, ---, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, ASSI, Account list has useless 5px padding above first item
18:31:09 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 970 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
18:31:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Connect this account now" checkbox is useless if user didn't enter a required password
18:31:46 <Mic> clokep_work: what did you mean with the extra information here: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110816/#m118
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18:33:23 <clokep_work> Oh, I was thinking more of how you can open the extra information for the add-ons manager all in one window, etc.
18:34:21 <clokep_work> Instead of using model windows.
18:34:31 <clokep_work> modal rather
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21:31:52 <Mic> clokep: oh, I see. Maybe you'd like to have a look at the inline add-on preferences of Firefox 6 (or 7?)
21:32:16 <Mic> http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2011/07/Adding-add-on-preferences-to-the-Add-ons-Manager
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21:48:33 <clokep> Mic: That's exactly what I was talking about.
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21:54:11 <Mic> I want to take the going-to-be-uninstalled look of extension for accounts that will be removed and experimented with the other displays of extensions
21:55:00 <Mic> http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1800/accountmanageraddonmana.png
21:55:45 <Mic> Doesn't go well with the white background, though
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22:02:20 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 776 to bug 102.
22:02:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, (Re-)Add support for the Sametime protocol.
22:02:40 <clokep> Neat idea though Mic. :)
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22:29:45 <Mic> clokep: http://monogatari.doukut.su/2011/08/taskbar-overlay-icons-in-windows-7.html might interest you
22:32:00 <clokep> Already read it. :)
22:32:02 <clokep> Pretty awesome.
22:37:41 <Mic> Good night
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22:48:22 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 971 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
22:48:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=971 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Jumplist status icons are not theme-able
22:51:39 <clokep> Yeah I doubt there's anything we can do about that.
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