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00:02:15 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 00:30:16 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 00:34:35 <GeekShadow> anyone alive ? 00:36:10 <Mook_as> I'm just about to go home, does that count? ;) 00:36:12 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: gone) 00:40:03 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 00:42:26 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:42:27 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 00:45:12 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 939 to DUPLICATE of bug 926. 00:45:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Make New Windows Pop-Under Instead Of Pop-Up 00:45:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=926 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Suppress new message window. 01:03:03 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 01:08:11 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 01:08:12 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 01:16:48 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 01:21:55 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 01:25:20 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 01:26:30 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 01:35:29 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 01:39:51 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 01:40:17 --> waynenguyen1 has joined #instantbird 01:48:06 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 02:41:23 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 02:43:27 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 03:03:23 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 03:20:39 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 03:21:58 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 03:53:27 --> dballing has joined #instantbird 04:00:06 <-- werwolf has quit (Quit: '< auuuuuuuuuuuuuuu) 04:06:33 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 04:11:23 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 04:12:17 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 04:24:02 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 04:24:17 --> flo has joined #instantbird 04:24:17 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 04:30:19 <-- waynenguyen1 has quit (Ping timeout) 05:50:03 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 05:57:21 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout) 05:58:09 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 06:13:20 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout) 06:14:14 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 06:15:31 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 06:16:40 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 06:17:46 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 06:40:59 <-- werwolf has quit (Quit: '< auuuuuuuuuuuuuuu) 06:55:40 <-- Mook has quit (Connection reset by peer) 06:56:39 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 06:58:50 <-- Mook has quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Mook_)) 06:59:14 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 07:00:46 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 07:00:47 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 07:15:29 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout) 07:17:01 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 07:31:32 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout) 07:32:59 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 07:51:24 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 07:54:17 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-xr [XULRunner 2.0b13pre/20110304030406]) 08:06:14 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 08:21:03 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 08:32:47 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 08:35:25 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 08:35:36 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 08:40:14 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 08:44:17 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 08:55:32 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 09:01:19 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 09:11:17 <-- micahg has quit (Input/output error) 09:11:25 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:14:29 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 09:19:43 --> jb has joined #instantbird 09:33:32 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 09:35:39 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 09:58:06 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 10:02:45 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 10:12:07 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 10:12:30 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:12:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:15:25 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 10:15:39 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 10:25:14 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 10:32:24 <-- vicnet has quit (Ping timeout) 10:48:31 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 11:05:24 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:17:06 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 11:21:38 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 11:29:30 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 11:36:56 --> jb has joined #instantbird 11:44:17 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:44:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:44:37 <clokep_work> Hello 11:53:13 <clokep_work> So what's the setting name for that guy to be able to change his GTalk port? ;) I'm guessing it's options.port, but who knows if libpurple did something that made sense... 11:53:57 <clokep_work> I wonder if we should add back the advanced options for that and Facebook...after all they are the /advanced/ options, which should only be touched by advanced people. ;) 11:55:09 <-- dballing has quit (Ping timeout) 11:55:49 --> dballing has joined #instantbird 11:59:40 <clokep_work> Ah, I found it: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/jabber/libxmpp.c#296 12:27:45 --> mistraven has joined #instantbird 12:32:09 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 13:05:05 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 13:07:50 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 13:33:04 --> proceno72 has joined #instantbird 13:33:58 <-- proceno72 has quit (Quit: Leaving) 14:23:41 <-- dballing has quit (Ping timeout) 14:46:32 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:50:04 <-- sander85 has quit (Client exited) 14:51:01 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 15:07:33 --> dballing has joined #instantbird 15:10:39 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 15:16:09 <-- mistraven has quit (Ping timeout) 15:20:33 --> mistraven has joined #instantbird 15:34:33 --> ecaron1 has joined #instantbird 15:35:14 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 15:45:08 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 15:58:31 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 16:00:14 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:03:05 <-- FeuerFliege has left #instantbird () 16:10:28 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:11:07 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:17:55 <-- mistraven has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:25:26 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 16:26:32 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 16:31:49 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 16:36:56 <-- aleth has left #instantbird () 16:54:23 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 17:07:39 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: I must go. Good bye!) 17:10:36 <-- ecaron1 has left #instantbird () 17:55:10 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout) 17:59:05 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 18:09:23 <-- mmkmou has left #instantbird () 18:12:51 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:19:15 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout) 18:27:14 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 18:27:48 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 18:32:36 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:33:21 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:50:43 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:50:44 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:59:16 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 19:00:11 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 19:01:28 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:14:05 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:14:05 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:17:02 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 19:18:30 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:24:47 --> LiquidRain has joined #instantbird 19:24:59 <LiquidRain> So how do I get out of a webpage that's opened in an IM window? 19:25:55 <LiquidRain> and can I change it so that sites open in my browser? is there something in about:config for that? 19:35:49 <Mook_as> LiquidRain: IIRC, that's a bug and it _should_ open in your browser 19:36:11 <LiquidRain> Haha. Fair enough. I'll right-click+copy instead for now. 19:36:12 <Mook_as> gah, lxr.i.o isn't mxr, I can't search for the string "array" in all idl files 19:39:30 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 19:42:00 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:47:32 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 19:54:29 <-- BinaryOutcast has quit (Ping timeout) 19:56:43 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 20:02:31 <-- LiquidRain has left #instantbird () 20:06:22 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 20:07:53 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:09:01 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 20:10:16 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 20:10:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 20:10:22 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 20:10:34 --> FeuerFliege1 has joined #instantbird 20:10:41 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:13:24 <-- MattATobin has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:13:33 <clokep> LiquidRain: It's a bug that's already been fixed. :) 20:13:37 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 20:13:49 <clokep> Mook_as: Yes, it's not. :( We should bug Even/flo about that. 20:14:29 <Mook_as> bug bug bug. bug bug. 20:14:45 <Mook_as> (it sounded a lot more interesting in my head.) 20:15:02 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout) 20:15:19 <clokep> Sounds to me like someone is ready for the weekend. ;) 20:16:14 <Mook_as> oh, that was on Wednesday. 20:19:37 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 20:20:05 <-- FeuerFliege1 has quit (Ping timeout) 20:36:33 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:36:33 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 20:36:51 <Mic> Maybe I figured out the problem with the not reconnecting accounts :) 20:37:25 <Mic> (after standby/energy saving mode) 20:37:31 <clokep> Oh? What'd you do? 20:39:05 <Mic> Or maybe I didn't, I need to check and I better do that without the headache I currently have ;) 20:40:18 <Mic> bye 20:40:22 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 20:52:03 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 20:56:41 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 21:11:13 <-- vicnet has quit (Ping timeout) 21:13:04 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 21:16:54 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 21:21:41 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 21:22:00 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 21:23:24 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 21:31:57 <myk> instantbird has a disorienting habit of moving conversations very slightly upwards over time 21:32:59 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 21:35:16 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 21:36:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:42:14 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:42:14 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:59:11 <clokep> myk: It's actually done on purpose to show the passage of time, http://blog.instantbird.org/n42-introducing-time-bubbles.html 22:00:20 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:01:26 <myk> clokep: hmm, interesting 22:01:46 <myk> clokep: i like the idea of indicating the time between messages by putting space between them 22:02:04 <myk> clokep: but it isn't necessary for messages to inch up the screen to do that 22:02:12 <clokep> How are you to do it then? 22:02:20 <clokep> I find it a little strange if I'm staring at my IM window. 22:02:29 <clokep> But I don't really ever do that, so it's not a big deal to me. 22:02:31 <myk> clokep: when the next message comes in, add the right amount of space above it 22:02:54 <clokep> But it also shows you the amount of time since the last message was received. :) 22:03:02 <myk> clokep: since the previous message already jumps upward at that point, it doesn't create any additional movement to add the space at that point 22:03:53 <Mook_as> oh, that's the actual message moving, and it's not just me going crazy 22:04:11 <clokep> Right, but you'd lose the information about how much time occurred between the last message and "now". 22:04:15 <myk> clokep: yes 22:04:27 <clokep> (Btw I'm not saying I love it either, just making sure you understand the concept properly, which you do. :)) 22:04:55 <clokep> I know someone suggested that you just leave it until 5 minutes, at which point you pop in the 5 minute time and update that. 22:06:37 <myk> i do see the logic of moving messages up over time 22:07:03 <myk> although it's strange that it happens over the course of about 30 seconds or so, after which there is no movement until the five minute mark 22:07:38 <myk> for me the problem is just that it makes me nauseous 22:08:03 <clokep> It happens in the beginning faster than slower, it's actually logarithmic in time. 22:08:14 <clokep> Nauseous? 22:08:19 <myk> yes, nauseous 22:08:20 <clokep> You said you keep your window maximized, right? 22:08:23 <myk> yes 22:08:48 <clokep> Right, I've never tried it maximized, I could see that would be quite a bit more distracting. 22:09:03 <clokep> (There's a version of theme that doesn't do it, if you're interested.) 22:10:36 * Mook_as wonders if the animation is done with css 22:10:37 <myk> hmm, maybe i'll try Simple: Dark 22:10:44 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 22:10:56 --> myk has joined #instantbird 22:12:22 <myk> clokep: i know it sounds strange, and i'm quite willing to believe that i am an aberration, but small movements like that actually sicken me; i'm not speaking metaphorically when i use the word nausea to describe them :-) 22:13:00 <clokep> myk: I believe you. :) You might want to check out Simple Bubbles: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/274 it's quite literally the theme before we added the time bubbles aspect to it. 22:13:22 <clokep> Mook_as: It's done w/ JavaScript I believe, Weren't CSS Animations not available until 5.0? 22:13:41 <Mook_as> clokep: oh, right, ib is (also) on 4 22:13:52 <myk> clokep: thanks, i'll give it a shot 22:13:59 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:13:59 <clokep> Nightlies are on 5.0 currently. 22:14:13 <Mook_as> ah. then we can't be gecko-version-buddies ;) 22:14:24 <clokep> Komodo is 4.0 now? 22:14:27 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 22:14:29 --> myk has joined #instantbird 22:14:43 * clokep always finds it annoying that the About menu doesn't say. ;) 22:14:52 <Mook_as> 7.0a2 and later are gecko 2.0, yeah 22:15:24 <-- myk has left #instantbird () 22:15:31 <Mook_as> I'm sure you can find a navigator.userAgent somehow ;) 22:15:42 --> myk has joined #instantbird 22:15:46 <clokep> Yeah, but I don't want to put that much effort in. 22:15:51 <Mook_as> hehe 22:15:55 <clokep> I'm trying to motivate myself to re-read the CTCP spec. 22:16:07 <Mook_as> ah. good luck 22:16:07 <clokep> But it being >100 F outside is making it difficult. 22:16:13 <myk> clokep: has anyone given any thought to a dark version of simple bubbles? i'm a big fan of dark themes 22:16:34 <myk> also, relative timestamps! 22:17:37 <clokep> myk: Not that I know of. I think we'd accept a variant that is dark though if someone is interested. ;) 22:17:48 <clokep> You could try filing a bug and maybe someone would be interested in doing it. 22:17:56 <clokep> (As you said you don't hjave much time.) 22:18:27 <myk> clokep: good idea, will do! 22:19:39 <clokep> What's the "proper" way to take arbitrary text (that might contain HTML) and make it into text? (I.e. essentially replace > and < with > and <) 22:19:46 <clokep> Is it really just to do the two replacements? 22:21:05 <Mook_as> I'm going to guess you don't want str.split("").map(function(c) "&#" + c.charCodeAt(0) + ";") 22:24:16 <clokep> Probably not. :) 22:26:29 <werwolf> not sure now, is not enought to use <pre> ? 22:26:48 <werwolf> or <code> 22:27:28 <clokep> werwolf: Not for display, I actually need to escape it since I need HTML to come through as plain text for IRC...but then add in my own HTML for the escape chars that exist. 22:27:59 <Mook_as> see what cz does? they manage to do something... 22:28:02 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.dontfeartheinternet.com/ 22:28:20 <werwolf> clokep: they use use < > only 22:28:50 <werwolf> then 22:29:07 <werwolf> which are tags delimiter 22:29:42 <clokep> Mook_as: Yeah, I could do that. :) I try to not look at their source, it's so hard to read. :-X 22:29:42 <werwolf> < 22:29:50 <clokep> werwolf: Yes, I think that's all I have to do, thanks for agreeing. :) 22:30:06 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 940 filed by myk@mozilla.org. 22:30:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=940 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, dark version of (Simple) Bubbles theme 22:30:11 <werwolf> but it comes over as & l t ; 22:30:16 <werwolf> not as < 22:30:22 <clokep> Right, because the & is escaped to & 22:30:42 <werwolf> then use search and replace 22:31:21 <myk> before i file a bug about relative timestamps, i'd be interested in what the relevant decision-makers think 22:31:30 <myk> i suppose that's flo 22:33:52 <clokep> myk: I'm not sure what you mean, but probably flo would be the one. 22:34:24 <myk> clokep: a relative timestamp is one like: "a few seconds ago", "five minutes ago", "three hours ago", and "yesterday" 22:34:50 <myk> clokep: usually, when i look at a timestamp, it's to see how long ago a message was written 22:35:06 <myk> clokep: currently, determining that requires me to do math 22:35:29 <clokep> Yes, flo was attempting to show that via the distance between bubbles so you wouldn't need to do math. 22:35:39 <myk> clokep: first, i look at the timestamp; second, i look at the current time (sometimes i skip this step if i know the current time already); and third, i calculate the difference 22:35:50 <clokep> (And it does give relative time stamps there, not sure what the simple bubbles are) 22:36:25 <myk> clokep: simple bubbles gives me absolute timestamps like 15:28:01 22:36:36 <myk> clokep: but distance between bubbles doesn't actually work for this purpose 22:36:53 <clokep> Why not? 22:36:56 <myk> clokep: because i'm not trying to tell the difference between two messages 22:37:06 <myk> clokep: i'm trying to tell the difference between one message and "now" 22:37:19 <clokep> Ah, I see. 22:37:32 <clokep> Unfortunately doing it that way means that you have to constantly be updating each message's time. 22:37:58 <clokep> But it's certainly a common action to do I would think. 22:38:03 <myk> clokep: yes, or, since the Bubbles themes don't show the time by default, only calculate the timestamp when showing it 22:38:08 <clokep> flo is away right now so he won't be answering you I don't think. ;) 22:38:22 <clokep> The showing right now is CSS though I think. 22:39:07 <myk> clokep: sure, although that's just an implementation detail; step one is to figure out what the appearance/behavior should be; step two is to figure out how to implement it! 22:39:17 <clokep> Yup. 22:39:54 <clokep> :) 22:40:06 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 22:40:08 <clokep> flo does read the logs though so he'll probably get back to you. 22:43:48 <clokep> (Btw I hope you don't think I'm being argumentative at all, just trying to understand the reason behind you want things instead of just saying "Oh, we can do that.") 22:44:35 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 22:45:51 <myk> clokep: don't worry, i'm quite familiar with good UX design, so i know that you can't just assume that users know what they want or what's best for them :-) 22:47:14 <clokep> myk: Good, afterall I don't want to seem like we don't love our users. ;) 22:47:47 <-- dballing has quit (Ping timeout) 22:47:48 <myk> clokep: to the contrary, you guys are great about responding to user questions here in this channel 22:48:19 <clokep> Thanks, we try. :) 22:48:58 --> dballing has joined #instantbird 23:14:23 <-- dballing has quit (Ping timeout) 23:17:18 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 23:18:02 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 23:20:22 --> FeuerFliege1 has joined #instantbird 23:20:30 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 23:27:53 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 23:32:36 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 754 to bug 758. 23:32:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 754 on bug 758. 23:32:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758 min, --, 1.1a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, Clean up jsProtoHelper 23:41:43 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:41:49 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:44:19 <Mook_as> you added a patch to a closed bug? :) 23:45:05 <clokep> Yes. :P 23:45:27 * clokep tries to keep the bug population under control. 23:45:55 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 758. 23:45:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758 min, --, 1.1a1, clokep, REOP, Clean up jsProtoHelper 23:45:58 <clokep> Don't want them to proliferate too much. 23:46:15 <clokep> Speaking of which...we should probably start taking bets on when we'll reach 1k. ;) 23:47:11 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 23:48:26 <Mook_as> with the way you're reusing them, 2015? :p 23:49:33 --> dballing has joined #instantbird 23:52:07 <clokep> Well that and Mic and I could pretty much decide since like 1/2 of the bugs are filed by one of us. :P 23:54:36 <clokep> OK...well only 347 out of 940. 23:59:58 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout)