#instantbird log on 07 16 2011

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00:02:21 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 745 on bug 929.
00:02:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add keyboard shortcuts to menu
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00:08:16 <flo> I think we will be ready to turn on major updates between 0.3pre and 1.1a1pre tomorrow
00:08:32 <clokep> :)
00:08:49 <clokep> mmkmou: Is there already a command key of "a" used somewhere?
00:09:05 <clokep> (You used b for add buddy and v for available...)
00:09:25 <flo> clokep: Command+a = select all every where, it's reserved :-P
00:09:33 <Mook_as> that reminds me, is flap_connection_destroy_cb still interesting?
00:09:49 <flo> Mook_as: only with reliable steps to reproduce
00:09:50 <clokep> Ah, right on Mac this is shared on every window, right?
00:09:58 <Mook_as> oh, right. damn.
00:10:32 <flo> clokep: we can't be sure Command+a will never be useful in the blist window either
00:10:45 <flo> if you start editing a contact alias, doesn't ctrl+a work for you on windows?
00:14:11 <clokep> True. :)
00:14:26 <clokep> I withdraw my question!
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00:26:32 <clokep> Bah apparently a link opened in my friends conversation instead of opening a new browser window.
00:28:44 <flo> 1.0 or a nightly?
00:28:53 <flo> is show nick involved? ;)
00:29:14 <clokep> 1.0
00:29:31 <clokep> I don't think show nick was involved.
00:29:39 <clokep> Is there a way I can get him to give me the HTML of the message?
00:29:55 <flo> with the view source add-on maybe :)
00:30:07 <flo> but a restart will be required ;)
00:30:10 <clokep> Yes...
00:31:41 <clokep> Bah I'm not sure.
00:34:39 <clokep> Link was sent from the official AIM client, not sure what's going on though. :-/
00:35:45 <flo> can he reproduce?
00:36:44 <flo> if yes, can he get the exact same thing sent to one of our test accounts? ;)
00:36:54 <clokep> He can reproduce.
00:37:00 <clokep> I'm having him install viewselectionsource
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00:39:47 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/869
00:40:08 <clokep> It shuld be fixed by the show nick fix you checked in.
00:40:26 <flo> ok, same bug
00:40:33 <mmkmou> clokep : command key "a" is used for "Account"
00:40:53 <flo> mmkmou: for account it's used with the shift modifier :)
00:41:15 <flo> clokep: he can probably disable formattings for a quick workaround
00:42:05 <flo> setting it to "only basic formattings" should work
00:42:13 <clokep> flo: Thanks!
00:44:11 <mmkmou> For available i'm not do a shortcut, i think that change her position and put in a convWindow like Pidgin or Empathy 
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00:46:15 <flo> mmkmou: I don't understand what you mean :(
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00:47:07 <clokep> flo: Is my patch checked in locally for bug 878? I want to make you another patch that applies cleanly.
00:47:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Do not log UI system messages.
00:47:18 <flo> no
00:47:29 <clokep> OK.
00:47:47 <flo> I'm probably going to go to bed soon
00:47:59 <flo> I'm almost done on the changes that have no visible effect ;)
00:48:34 <clokep> :)
00:51:09 <flo> hmm, is there a quick and clean way to convert an object into an nsISimpleEnumerator?
00:52:53 <clokep> An "object"?
00:53:10 <clokep> Object.keys might help?
00:53:32 <flo> that's what I'm playing with
00:53:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 747 to bug 758.
00:53:38 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 747 on bug 758.
00:53:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Clean up jsProtoHelper
00:54:02 <flo> it seems that our nsSimpleEnumerator helper could do a better job though
00:54:05 <flo> using yield
00:55:38 <clokep> Perhaps.
00:55:53 * clokep doesn't remember what yield does.
00:56:44 <flo> some magic :-P
00:59:01 <clokep> I'm checking MDC. :)
00:59:59 <clokep> Hmm...interesting.
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01:08:13 <instantbot> mmkmou@mmkmou.net added attachment 748 to bug 929.
01:08:14 <instantbot> mmkmou@mmkmou.net requested review from the wind for attachment 748 on bug 929.
01:08:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add keyboard shortcuts to menu
01:14:52 <flo> here is what I have: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/870
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01:18:13 <flo> clokep: your change in logger.js is wrong. It's called LogEnumerator rather than nsSimpleEnumerator for a reason
01:18:33 <flo> it enumerates over an array of enumerators
01:18:45 <flo> somehow it concatenates enumerators
01:19:02 <clokep> Oh? I tried to see if they were different and they seemed the same. :(
01:20:39 <flo> the methods have the same names :-P
01:25:34 <flo> are there localized strings in http.jsm?
01:25:55 <clokep> I don't think so, I think we removed 'em all.
01:36:39 <clokep> instantbot: uuid
01:36:41 <instantbot> 91c47e64-b60a-4c27-9107-679fca2c3aa9 (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
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01:40:49 <clokep> Mic: I commented some stuff on a sample override at https://wiki.instantbird.org/Override_Protocols not sure how good/clear it is. But better than before!
01:43:26 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 747 on bug 758.
01:43:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Clean up jsProtoHelper
01:48:35 <flo> mmkmou: looks much better now :)
01:48:43 <flo> I'll test it tomorrow.
01:48:54 <flo> Good night! :)
01:49:03 <mmkmou> flo : ok good night 
01:50:11 <mmkmou> i've a presentation for mozilla senegal tomorrow i just finish the slide and to sleep 
02:00:41 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 749 to bug 758.
02:00:42 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 749 on bug 758.
02:00:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Clean up jsProtoHelper
02:01:33 <clokep> Hopefully that one is better. :)
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02:15:00 <mmkmou> good night 
02:15:08 <clokep> Goodnight!
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10:51:52 <Mic> clokep: thanks, I'll extend it with the other overrides as soon as I made them (the most challenging thing seems to be creating icons for them;)
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10:52:53 <Mic> flo, is http://pastebin.instantbird.com/870 part (or even all) of allowing to close conversation tabs and to reopen them with all messages still there?
10:54:21 <Mic> s/still there/there again
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11:06:37 <flo> Mic: mostly. The UI is missing though ;).
11:20:26 <Mic> Great :)
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11:27:03 <flo> major updates from 0.3pre to 1.1a1pre will start with the next nightly
11:27:25 <flo> we could turn them on today, but there would be no partial update files
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12:51:27 <Mic> When I get disconnected because the computer went into standby, shall the status on the contact list stay what it was or be changed to "offline"?
12:52:05 <Mic> What I was seeing was "available" and the accounts were disconnected.
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13:00:01 <flo> Mic: if we disconnected the accounts because the network was down, you should see "offline" in the status
13:00:54 <flo> we know it sometimes doesn't happen this way (it's a bug) but I don't have good steps to reproduce
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13:55:02 <Mic> What's the expected behaviour when pulling the network cable? Should it detect that the network is unavailable and set the application to the offline mode?
13:56:17 <Mic> (It didn't when I tried, accounts were attempting to reconnect and returned errors that the couldn't.)
13:56:26 <Mic> s/the/they
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14:13:23 <clokep> Hello.
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14:19:21 <flo> Mic: "Should it detect that the network is unavailable and set the application to the offline mode?" Yes. Except I think the offline detection has been disabled for Windows in the toolkit because it wasn't fully reliable, and it has never worked really well on Linux.
14:23:05 <clokep> Well there's https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Online_and_offline_events . . . not sure if that's what w euse or not.
14:42:30 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 931 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
14:42:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=931 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Log viewer displays :0 in timestamps as emoticon
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15:00:42 <clokep> I don't think :0 is a smile by default...
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16:59:02 <rica> hi, I was wondering how i can set a different display name per account?
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17:07:35 <DGMurdockIII> you mean on each im account
17:07:50 <rica> yea
17:08:15 <clokep> rica: You can't (at least not via the UI), it's one display name for all accounts.
17:08:19 <clokep> Can I ask what your use case is? :)
17:09:02 <rica> i have an msn for work, real life friends and internet friends, so basically i don't want most of the internet friends to know my real name or where i work
17:09:44 <DGMurdockIII> so you use two msn accounts?
17:10:03 <rica> three
17:10:45 <clokep> Right.
17:11:02 <DGMurdockIII> he make a good point there
17:11:15 <clokep> Yeah having "multiple personalities" isn't really very well supported by Instantbird.
17:11:35 <rica> currently it takes the name that i have assigned in the hotmail webmail but thats not ideal
17:11:54 <clokep> It could be done in an extension most likely.
17:12:01 <clokep> Well you can change it by clicking on it.
17:12:10 <rica> huh?
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17:13:15 <clokep> You could change your overall display name (or even remove it if I remember correctly), but it cannot be configured per account.
17:13:32 <rica> oh ok
17:13:41 <rica> how hard would it be to implement?
17:14:50 <clokep> I don't think it would be terrible.
17:14:54 <clokep> But I'm not super familar with that part.
17:15:11 <rica> ok
17:15:39 <rica> one other thing thats bothering me is at least every second or so the text in the conversation view shifts up, looks like a pixel or two
17:15:40 <clokep> One of our devs
17:15:45 <clokep> wanted to make an extension to support multiepl id
17:15:45 <clokep> s
17:16:23 <clokep> rica: http://blog.instantbird.org/n42-introducing-time-bubbles.html
17:16:38 * clokep is distracted, one second.
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17:18:40 <clokep> It's representing the passage of time.
17:19:15 <rica> makes the window look shaky :p
17:19:52 <clokep> I don't notice it personally
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17:26:00 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Please do not PM me unrelated stuff.
17:27:48 <rica> ok, thanks for the info, i'm liking instantbird so far, pidgin kept crashing on me and I couldn't figure out why so i decided to try something new
17:28:53 <clokep> rica: Glad you like it so far! Thanks a lot for the feedback. :)
17:29:12 <rica> np, one other thing, does instantbird have email alert features for hotmail?
17:29:19 <clokep> No, not yet.
17:29:22 <clokep> We hav ea bug about it some where
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17:33:58 <rica> clokep, any idea where the png for the tray icon on linux is, i want to change it
17:34:14 <clokep> rica: I think it takes the window icon.
17:34:47 <clokep> But I haven't looked at the linux tray code that much.
17:34:59 <rica> hmmm, would it be in omni.jar?
17:36:04 <clokep> Yes.
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17:41:00 <rica> argh, replacing pngs with svgs doesn't seem to work
17:41:23 <clokep> Needs thes ame file extension most likely
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18:21:41 <Mic> The application icons are in the /branding/ directory btw 
18:22:24 <Mic> I think this is the makefile (for the release branding) that shows which files are used for which system: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/54edc171e4ce/instantbird/branding/release/Makefile.in#l53
18:30:27 <Mic> hmm, maybe better forget this, it doesn't match with what I see on my Ib install. Sorry for posting before checking :(
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18:43:07 <Nakp> hello
18:44:03 <Nakp> hey hey
18:44:06 <Nakp> I have a questiong
18:44:15 <Nakp> about 1 hour i found instantbird
18:44:22 <Nakp> but I was wondering if
18:44:24 <DGMurdockIII> hi
18:44:27 <Nakp> asi its firefox based
18:44:34 <Nakp> it could use personas too
18:44:38 <Nakp> it would be great tho
18:44:41 <Nakp> hi DGMurdockIII 
18:45:21 <DGMurdockIII> no it cant use personas
18:45:37 <clokep> Yes, it can use personas.
18:45:45 <Nakp> why not?
18:45:50 <clokep> It's just not fully supported yet.
18:45:54 <Nakp> yeah
18:46:00 <Nakp> thats what i though xD
18:46:11 <Nakp> if it can use firefox themes
18:46:14 <Nakp> it could use personas
18:46:31 <Nakp> honestly i fell in love with instantbird xD
18:46:45 <clokep> I'm not sure how well Personas work for it, I don't think anyone has made one.
18:46:52 <clokep> But it should be at least partially supported.
18:46:55 <clokep> I'm glad you like it so far. :)
18:47:26 <Nakp> seriously... i dont know how i heard about it untill today :S
18:47:58 <clokep> Well Instantbird 1.0 was released like two weeks ago. ;)
18:48:54 <Nakp> :o I didn't know... I was looking for something to replace gtalk ->trillian -> miranda
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18:49:02 <Nakp> and i didnt want to use pidgin xD
18:49:07 <Nakp> so here I am
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18:49:26 <clokep> :)
18:49:30 <clokep> Tell all your friends. ;)
18:49:45 <Nakp> you bet I did x'D
18:50:04 <Nakp> i think that was the first thing I did when I logged hahaha
18:50:23 <Nakp> btw I've seen the roadmap and theres something about sounds config
18:50:57 <Nakp> but I can't manage to find a way to change sounds
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18:51:36 <clokep> One second (Halo). ;)
18:54:43 <clokep> Nakp: Can you be more specific by "change sounds"?
18:54:43 <Nakp> ok ;)
18:54:55 <clokep> Do you mean when do sounds occur or changing the actual sounds?
18:56:09 <clokep> Tools &gt; Options &gt; General &gt; Sounds has the current options.
18:56:15 <Nakp> changing the actual sounds
18:56:39 <Nakp> i mean... like sounds themes
18:56:42 <clokep> I don't thikn that's supported yet, I think it's on the roadmap for /after/ 1.0.
18:56:48 <clokep> You could probably replace the actual sound files.
18:56:56 <Nakp> ok thats great xD
18:57:04 <Nakp> yeah that would work for now
18:58:59 <Nakp> mmm is there any doc about making emoticons sets?
18:59:10 <clokep> Yes, I can dig it up. One sec
18:59:48 <clokep> Nakp: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_a_smiley_theme
19:00:03 <Nakp> thank you sir
19:00:15 <Nakp> oh :o its json! x'D
19:01:05 <Nakp> well im not very used to xul but I think it was pretty obvius
19:01:22 <Nakp> thanks ill try to make one ;) and if I succed I'll publish
19:03:06 <clokep> :) Cool!
19:03:16 <clokep> http://addons.instantbird.org for what's currently out there.
19:03:24 <clokep> I don't think you need any XUL fo smile themes.
19:04:47 <Nakp> yeah I've installed a conversation theme already ;)
19:05:16 <clokep> :)
19:07:46 <clokep> C:\Program Files (x86)\Instantbird\omni.jar\chrome\instantbird\skin\classic\instantbird\sounds\ is the location of my sounds...
19:08:01 <clokep> omni.jar is just a zip file, and then you'd need to browse to that location and replace the files.
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19:17:50 <Nakp> ok thanks clokep 
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19:18:25 <clokep> No problem Nakp! Good luck. :) Let us know if you'r ehaving issues.
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19:34:40 <flo> to change the sounds there's much better than editing omni.jar
19:35:08 <flo> see the noblistsound add-on for an example (it just replaces some sound files with an empty wave file to disable some sounds)
19:35:53 <flo> Nakp: I hope you'll have fun customizing Instantbird :)
19:40:13 <clokep> Oh. :( My bad.
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19:54:05 <flo> hmm, what would be a good UI for closing a conversation
19:55:35 <clokep> An x?
19:55:54 <Mic1> I think he meant the internal conversation, not the UI thing
19:55:56 <flo> isn't there a risk of closing the conversation instead of opening a viewer for it?
19:56:12 <flo> for my own use, the best answer is "no UI"
19:56:40 <flo> just make a conversation without unread message and without any message exchanged in the last 20 minutes "timeout" and close itself automatically
19:56:59 <clokep> So that means you'd "part" an IRC room?
19:57:13 <flo> MUCs wouldn't timeout
19:58:24 <Mic1> How would you leave channels then?
19:58:31 <Mic1> Except for textual commands
19:58:42 <flo> Mic1: that's the first question ;)
19:58:54 <clokep> Aren't there other protocols that tell you when a user leaves a conversation btw?
19:59:16 <flo> not really reliably
19:59:23 * flo 'll be away for an hour or so
20:01:10 <Nakp> hi
20:01:19 <Nakp> I'm finally trying to make the smileys set
20:01:24 <Nakp> but it seems its not compatible :/
20:01:49 <Nakp> I've changed this <em:maxVersion>1.0.*</em:maxVersion>
20:02:23 <clokep> I assume you restarted after changing the file, right? ;)
20:02:35 <clokep> And that you're running Instantbird 1.0.
20:02:47 <Nakp> yes but it doesnt even install
20:03:08 <Nakp> it says it could not be installed because its not compatible with instantbird and 1.0
20:03:13 <clokep> Want to pastebin your install.rdf for us? :) http://pastebin.instantbird.org/
20:03:42 <Nakp> of course xD
20:03:47 <Nakp> there you go http://pastebin.instantbird.com/871
20:04:12 <Nakp> all I changed is 1.0.* to 1.* in that paste
20:05:03 <clokep> That looks like it should work to me. :(
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20:05:46 <Nakp> chorme/skin.jar has all gifs and skin.js
20:06:34 <clokep> That doesn't matter w/ the installation.
20:07:54 * DGMurdockIII slaps flo around a bit with a large trout
20:09:07 <Nakp> ok wait xD
20:09:08 <clokep> I'm not sure Nakp. Sorry!
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20:09:28 <Nakp1> hmm
20:09:52 <clokep> Copy one you know works? ;)
20:10:02 <clokep> Did you copy that right off the example?
20:10:06 <Nakp1> yeah
20:10:31 <Nakp1> ok i dunno which one works but Ill try
20:13:30 <clokep> Hmmm...it should work then. :-/
20:14:05 <Mic1> Nakp1: what's the actual error message?
20:14:43 <Nakp1> lol if you speak spanish I can tell you the exact message :P
20:14:50 <Mic1> It's ok
20:15:05 <Nakp1> its Gold Faces no pudo instalarse porque no es compatible con Instantbird y 1.0
20:15:07 <Mic1> I guess I'll understand well enough
20:15:34 <Mic1> Ok, so it's really showing this incompatible-notificationsbar on the add-on manager
20:16:01 <Nakp1> yes
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20:17:56 <nakpanzer> ok 
20:17:57 <nakpanzer> sorry
20:18:03 <nakpanzer> i just restarted ib
20:18:04 <nakpanzer> hehe
20:18:07 <nakpanzer> i found the error
20:18:13 <nakpanzer> author has to be an email address
20:18:14 <nakpanzer> :)
20:20:07 <Mic1> What do you mean by author?
20:20:23 <nakpanzer> I'm sorry
20:20:24 <nakpanzer> creator
20:20:29 <nakpanzer> <em:creator>tomas.figueroa@nakp.net</em:creator>
20:20:34 <Mic1> No, it works with a normal name for me
20:20:36 <nakpanzer> I just had used my name instead
20:20:43 <nakpanzer> well thats all I changed
20:21:06 <clokep> Creator worked fine as my name.
20:21:32 <Mic1> Maybe you had a bad encoding?
20:21:32 <nakpanzer> hmm
20:21:53 <nakpanzer> i dont think so... I use ansi
20:22:05 <Mic1> Try using your name again and setting the encoding to UTF-8 ?
20:22:05 <nakpanzer> shall I use utf-8?
20:22:12 <nakpanzer> ok
20:22:59 <nakpanzer> yeah it works :
20:23:01 <nakpanzer> :)
20:23:10 <nakpanzer> maybe it was for the accent in my name
20:24:03 <clokep> Yup.
20:24:57 <Mic1> :)
20:27:56 <clokep> The skin.jar isn't really necessary anymore, right?
20:28:28 <nakpanzer> what do you mean??
20:29:16 <nakpanzer> Can I avoid using the jar?
20:29:38 <clokep> I think you can, but I'm not sure. The question was more for Mic1
20:29:56 <Mic1> Let me check..
20:31:00 <clokep> Well the xpi should stay compress now.
20:33:14 <nakpanzer> should I use utf-8 for every file?
20:33:21 <Mic1> I guess it works
20:33:25 <clokep> It shouldn't hurt to.
20:33:30 <clokep> And if you have accents, etc. ;)
20:33:32 <clokep> Then yes
20:33:47 <Mic1> I think easiest thing would be to just check it without the additional jar file;)
20:34:55 <nakpanzer> yeah but now Im adding smileys...
20:41:46 <nakpanzer> hmmm
20:42:08 <nakpanzer> something strange now
20:42:15 <nakpanzer> none of my images are shown :/
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20:46:29 <nakpanzer> is there any debug window??
20:46:33 <Mic1> nakpanzer, clokep: you can leave the extra-jar file away
20:47:00 <nakpanzer> ok but how do I place the images??
20:47:14 <Mic1> It will work this way, I repackaged an existing, working, theme without the jar and modified chrome.manifest and it works.
20:47:26 <Mic1> Where did you put them?
20:48:18 <clokep> .You might need to run w/ -purgecaches if nothing is showing up as changed.
20:50:03 <nakpanzer> i used skin.jar... so you changed the manifest to ..
20:50:17 <nakpanzer> clokep: its not its not showing changes
20:50:25 <nakpanzer> actually its not showing any smiley
20:50:42 <clokep> You can check the Error Console (under the Tools menu) to see if there's issues.
20:50:58 <clokep> And you might need to run instanbird.exe with the -purgecaches flag. :)
20:53:22 <clokep> (Let me know if you need more specifics on what that means. ;))
20:53:58 <nakpanzer> ok here is the problem
20:53:59 <nakpanzer> Advertencia: Ignoring unrecognized chrome manifest directive 'skin'. Archivo de origen: C:\Users\Nakp\AppData\Roaming\Instantbird\Profiles\c4ey90b7.default\extensions\emoticons-goldfaces@instantbird.org.xpi:chrome.manifest Línea: 1
20:54:15 <Mic1> nakpanzer: here's an example for the changes to the manifest file to use it without the jar-archive: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/874
20:54:54 <Mic1> The error sounds strange.
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20:56:36 <Mic1> Who's "peer" and why is he resetting my connection? ;)
20:57:19 <DGMurdockIII> peer is you
20:57:24 <nakpanzer> hahaha
20:57:31 <nakpanzer> thanks Mic1 
20:58:31 <Mic1> DGMurdockIII: I know, it's just an interesting way to read this message ;)
20:58:32 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/networks/connectprob.html mic look at #6
20:58:33 <nakpanzer> ok here's the problem
20:59:07 <nakpanzer> i used utf-8 for chrome.manifest too
20:59:16 <nakpanzer> changing to ansi made it work ¬¬
21:00:07 <Mic1> Do you have special characters in the folder or skin name?
21:00:36 <nakpanzer> nope
21:02:01 <Mic1> Good luck with the theme
21:02:28 <Mic1> Bye
21:02:34 <nakpanzer> thanks
21:02:36 <nakpanzer> ciao
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22:05:15 <flo> nakpanzer's editor probably did something wrong with the byte order mark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark)
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23:14:47 <flo> teaser: http://queze.net/goinfre/convholder-wip1.png
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