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02:15:29 <Mook> \o/ flap_connection_destroy_cb crash on a nightly, possibly aim. http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/8c955544-a30f-4831-b0a3-215d62110715
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04:29:56 <iLobster> Greetings
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04:34:14 <iLobster> What i need to do to make my nightly (0.3pre (20110703041728)) to receive updates? Updater say there is no updates available but there is 1.1a1pre on nightly server.
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04:59:38 <vdchuyen> hi all, i'm rebuilding instant bird using the 1.0 
05:00:45 <vdchuyen> and i got this error at gg/lib/common.c<987>: warning C4244: '=' : conversion from uint16_t to 'char', possible loss of data
05:00:59 <vdchuyen> any ideas about this error ?
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06:22:31 <DGMurdockIII> 2(iLobster2): what os
06:23:39 <DGMurdockIII> 2(iLobster2): what os are you using
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07:41:27 <Mic> iLobster: I've also seen the problem that automatically updating from 0.3 nightlies to 1.1 nightlies didn't work.
07:41:51 <Mic> I manually downloaded a new one
07:42:14 <iLobster> oki, i'll do the same
07:54:54 <flo> iLobster: you just don't need to do anything
07:55:04 <flo> you will receive an update prompt once we have new nightlies for all OSes
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07:56:10 * flo wonders if vdchuyen really expected an answer in less than 6 minutes at 7am.
08:02:03 <Mic> "you will receive an update prompt once we have new nightlies for all OSes", there should have been a few already since the change to 1.1 ;)
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08:20:40 <eson57> Good morning  :)
08:22:01 <eson57> Can someone please take a look at the sv-SE language Build log, and instruct me how to fix the rest?
08:22:01 <eson57> About the "purple/irc.properties"... if I do what the log says, I get the error message...
08:22:01 <eson57> "WARNING: trailing argument 1 `s` missing, trailing argument 2 `s` missing at line 76, column 24 within youHavePartedTheChannel"
08:22:01 <eson57> About the other missing strings, in log... I can´t even find the files.
08:24:37 <FeuerFliege> hi
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08:29:26 <FeuerFliege> eson57: you just have a typo in irc.properties
08:30:18 <FeuerFliege> you have:
08:30:18 <FeuerFliege> youHavePartedTheChannel%s%s=Du har lämnat kanalen%s%s
08:30:18 <FeuerFliege> and it should be:
08:30:18 <FeuerFliege> youHavePartedTheChannel=Du har lämnat kanalen%s%s
08:30:59 <eson57> ahaa... thanks
08:31:00 <FeuerFliege> and you can ignore the dom/chrome strings. That are untranslated firefox strings
08:33:42 <eson57> okey... I gues the same goes for security/*  ?
08:34:01 <FeuerFliege> yes
08:34:45 <eson57> thanks a lot... my work is allmost done then... for now  :)
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10:13:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 927 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
10:13:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rulesets for filtering content should allow to filter a style also by its value and not only to allo
10:20:47 <Mic> There are a few XMPP based chat services that I could add overrides for to make it easier to set them up (the GMX/web.de german webmail providers + Nokia Ovi)
10:24:12 <Mic> Will there be any problems related with this?
10:25:06 <clokep> You mean as add-ons or included?
10:25:39 <Mic> We have this situation for GMail + XMPP based chats already (I guess Facebook + VZ-Social Networks in Germany don't really count since they're on their own anyways)
10:25:47 <Mic> As add-ons.
10:26:37 <clokep> I don't see why there would be any problems...
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10:27:59 <clokep> I have my LJ Talk one. ;)
10:28:18 <clokep> Which you could probably C&amp;P and just change the servers / names. :P
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10:31:22 <Mic> I haven't looked into the details yet, GMX/web.de need to set the "connection server" differently from the domain of the user account iirc
10:31:37 <Mic> No idea how to add that ot an override protocol yet
10:31:47 <Mic> *No idea yet
10:32:58 <flo> Mic: "there should have been a few already since the change to 1.1 ;)" sure. Care to remind Even that the Linux VM needs to be fixed (glib needs an update there) until it compiles?
10:34:06 <flo> Mic: I think both Gtalk and Facebook do that (change the connect server), so you can probably just copy and paste ;)
10:34:31 <clokep> Facebook and Gtalk both have it hard coded, yes.
10:36:04 <clokep> An example of people not loving their users: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/5869
10:40:13 <flo> clokep: great :-D
10:40:33 <flo> isn't there some personality disorder involved at that point?
10:41:34 <clokep> Perhaps. I would hope so.
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10:46:01 <clokep> Mic you could check out https://wiki.instantbird.org/Override_Protocols, I should probably add some documentation of how to make an override protocol in there...
10:51:17 <Mic> Thanks, clokep.
10:52:11 <Mic> If some people are always so rude in #chatzilla it should'n be hard to make friends with some who aren't ;)
10:56:30 <Mic> flo: sorry, I didn't know the Linux builds are failing everytime recently
10:56:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 744 to bug 878.
10:56:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 744 on bug 878.
10:56:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Do not log UI system messages.
11:00:08 <Mic> bye
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11:00:37 <clokep> Ciao.
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11:17:02 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 744 on bug 878.
11:17:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Do not log UI system messages.
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13:08:13 * clokep_work thinks he's going to clean up jsProtoHelper tonight.
13:08:20 <clokep_work> Trying to clear off my bug list. ;)
13:09:28 <deOmega> Good morning :)
13:09:30 <flo> :)
13:12:05 <clokep_work> Good morning deOmega!
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13:15:39 <deOmega> do you guys know what is teh difference between google+ chat and google chat?  seem to be teh same thing
13:16:37 <deOmega> fyi:  I believe that this will really take a foothold for businesses and  family circles (Google+ that is)
13:17:09 <clokep_work> deOmega: There is no difference.
13:17:12 <deOmega> Anyway, i asked about the difference because i was wondering if  any changes has to be made to IB to log on to it's chat.
13:17:38 <clokep_work> There isn't any difference, it's just GTalk.
13:17:40 <deOmega> ah, ok.  that is what I assumed.
13:17:45 <clokep_work> Like it's the same exact system.
13:17:52 <clokep_work> Google+ just hooks into it.
13:17:59 <clokep_work> Hangouts...I don't know about.
13:18:00 <deOmega> Great!
13:18:07 <clokep_work> But the chat is just GTalk, yeah. :)
13:18:18 <clokep_work> I haven't tried hangouts yet since I haven't wanted to install the browser plug-in. ;)
13:18:32 <deOmega> hangout is pretty powerful.  I know some guys planning to use that for  teaching purposes.
13:18:55 <clokep_work> Cool. :)
13:19:23 <clokep_work> I feel like hangouts would be pretty awesome to Implement in Instantbird though, since it's what I use to talk to my friends (not my browser).
13:19:41 <clokep_work> And in theory we should be able to install the browser plug-in for it...as long as it's compatible w/ Firefox?
13:20:14 <deOmega> THAT!  would be  very very  cool if done, because it is truly powerful imo.
13:20:20 <deOmega> yes, it is compatible with firefox
13:20:32 <deOmega> THAT!  would be a big move for IB imo.
13:20:39 <clokep_work> Cool. :) I assumed as much but wasn't positive.
13:20:51 <clokep_work> I don't suppose Google+ has any APIs at all, does it?
13:21:29 <deOmega> because it  allows video chat, audio chat and interaction/sharing
13:22:01 <deOmega> so basically you can gather there and watch a movie with yoru friends.
13:22:19 <deOmega> well,  Youtube as fas as i see for now
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13:23:13 <deOmega> APIs?  hehe.  I do not know
13:23:21 <deOmega> let me look that up
13:23:31 <clokep_work> There doesn't seem to be.
13:24:29 <deOmega> wel, would it not  be the case, if they have  a mobile app for it?
13:25:05 <deOmega> which they have
13:25:13 <clokep_work> I'm sure it communicates somehow, but it doesn't mean it's documented. ;)
13:25:32 <deOmega> ah
13:26:22 <clokep_work> I'm looking into it. ;)
13:27:35 <deOmega> try the hangout clokep.  at least once.
13:27:51 <clokep_work> Yeah, maybe. I haven't been home much recently.
13:28:38 <clokep_work> There's an "API in the works" apparently.
13:28:38 <deOmega> u do not have to  use it per se with anyone.. just see what it is about
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13:31:47 <clokep_work> Ah, true. :)
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14:59:46 <flo> that "mis matched username" error seems frequent on twitter :-(
15:01:24 <clokep_work> :(
15:03:04 <clokep_work> It should have checked the lower case versions of each, is that the bug?
15:03:25 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 928 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
15:03:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=928 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Simplify twitter account creation
15:03:57 <flo> clokep_work: it should just not have asked for the twitter username at all
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15:05:06 <flo> asking people to enter the same information twice is a sure way to have them make mistakes ;)
15:05:20 <clokep_work> :) Silly users.
15:05:41 <clokep_work> Alternately we could only use our dialog and inject the content into a page load. ;)
15:05:49 <clokep_work> But that breaks the ToS I'm sure.
15:06:14 <flo> and breaks each time the twitter patch slightly changes
15:06:20 <flo> *page
15:06:41 <clokep_work> Yeah.
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15:23:06 <flo> hmm, is http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#188 called from anywhere?
15:23:16 <flo> it seems like a duplicate of http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#142
15:24:09 <clokep_work> Not that I see.
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15:36:14 <flo> when I try to do an add-on and notice that to avoid doing horrible hacks I would rather check-in 2/3 of the code changes and only put the UI in the add-on I feel a bit bad for add-on authors who don't dare changing the application code :-/.
15:37:36 <clokep_work> Hahah. well...the benefits of being a main developer. :)
15:37:38 <flo> (but I'm sure I want to integrate the feature eventually and creating an add-on is just experiment with the UI, so maybe it's ok :))
15:37:41 <clokep_work> What add-on are you working on?
15:38:20 <flo> I want the conversation binding to become only conversation viewers, and no longer open automatically with new conversation / terminate the conversation when they are closed
15:39:05 <flo> and I want a way to list current conversations (!= conversations which have tabs) in the UI
15:39:35 <flo> + have unread messages and unread message-targeted at the user count for each conversation
15:41:00 <clokep_work> What do you mean "count for each conversation"?
15:41:04 <clokep_work> And that sounds pretty nice. :)
15:41:18 <flo> unread message count
15:41:33 <clokep_work> Oh, OK. :)
15:42:04 <flo> it's the solution to the "I want to idle in a few dozen IRC channels" and "I don't want conversations to popup while I'm unavailable" issues.
15:45:16 <clokep_work> Right. I could see how you'd want to play w/ the UI in an extension first though. Haha.
15:45:45 <flo> unfortunately imWindows.jsm has really not been designed for that behavior. I wanted to create a quick add-on, but it won't work. So my new idea is to change the core code to handle this behavior, + having preferences with default values keeping the existing behavior for now + put the UI in an add-on to experiment a bit
15:47:21 <clokep_work> That sounds like a lot more work. ;)
15:48:15 <flo> not necessarily. Hacking around things is not easy compared to redesigning them to work like wanted :).
15:51:12 <deOmega> clokep_work: what is ToS?
15:51:28 <clokep_work> "Terms of Service"
15:52:11 <deOmega> lol
15:52:19 <deOmega> Oh man, i  should have known that
15:53:15 <deOmega> But I assumed further, especially since I use a program called TOS (ThinkOrSwim)
15:53:24 <clokep_work> Ah.
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16:27:23 <clokep_work> Well let me know when you need some testing of this extension. :)
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17:50:34 <deOmega> me too on the  test  :)
17:51:04 <deOmega> so, message encryption.. it is abig deal, eh?
17:51:32 <deOmega> are teh messages we send over msn and google talk encrypted as is (Without IB?)
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17:54:39 <flo> deOmega: for gtalk it's encrypted between instantbird and the google server.
17:55:14 <flo> some people seem to care a lot about end to end encryption (which would prevent the google server from reading the messages)
17:56:13 <Mook_as> OTR IRC! :D
17:56:17 <deOmega> ah
17:56:30 <deOmega> And is that possible?
17:57:08 <flo> yes, if you accept that lots of client (all those that don't support the exact same encryption) will receive garbage instead of the message
17:57:40 <deOmega> So the the other side have to be using IB for a smooth transition?
17:57:53 <deOmega> exchange
17:58:06 <flo> ib, pidgin with the suitable plugin, Adium, or a few others that are compatible with OTR which seems to be the common request
18:00:43 <flo> note: there are also all the clueless people who care a lot about security and encryption and would be satisfied by anything (even completely pointless) that has the word "secure" or "encrypted" in the name of the check box. I'm not sure which proportion of the OTR requests they represent (hopefully a small proportion :)), but they do exist.
18:01:27 <deOmega> so flo (And i hope i am not taking up too much of your time)...  so for OTR (which i see on regular Google talk)... if you  enable that in  IB.. the other side has to use IB for a smooth transaction?
18:02:30 <deOmega> dunno why i keep saying transaction lol.. though it is not  necessarily wrong, not the word i want to use.
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18:03:33 <flo> deOmega: Google's "Off the record" feature has absolutely nothing to do with the "OTR" feature people request. Google's feature just turns off the storage the logs on their server.
18:04:03 <deOmega> ah
18:04:28 <deOmega> listening
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18:15:50 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
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18:16:18 <DGMurdockIII> deOmega, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
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18:26:31 <deOmega> DGMurdockIII: Thank you very much
18:26:48 <DGMurdockIII> deOmega, ye
18:27:22 <DGMurdockIII> deOmega, your welcome
18:30:53 <DGMurdockIII> do msn grop conversons work on instantbird yet
18:31:02 <DGMurdockIII> group*
18:31:15 <DGMurdockIII> Group conversations*
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18:41:53 <flo> DGMurdockIII: you can't start them, but if you are invited by someone else, it should work
18:42:09 <DGMurdockIII> ok
18:43:39 <DGMurdockIII> do you have a docutmation on makeing on how to make a Protocol as a plugin
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18:44:29 <DGMurdockIII> becse im fileing a bug with the msn-pecan guy
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18:52:21 <DGMurdockIII> http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/issues/detail?id=313
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19:00:14 <JM> I have no clue how to set up my facebook chat on Instant bird 1.0 any help?
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19:04:52 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 929 filed by mmkmou@mmkmou.net.
19:04:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add keyboard shortcuts to menu
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19:09:28 <instantbot> mmkmou@mmkmou.net added attachment 745 to bug 929.
19:09:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add keyboard shortcuts to menu
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19:23:48 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 930 filed by mmkmou@mmkmou.net.
19:23:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=930 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add a link to "FAQ" on "help" menu item
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20:34:02 <flo> would someone here be interested in improving http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mozilla-based.html to give more visibility to XUL applications in this list?
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21:00:47 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): go here https://www.google.com/accounts/b/0/ManageAccount?nroma=1 this is where you can see the icon tell me if you can find a way to change it
21:01:35 <flo> why should I be interested in that? especially, what makes you think I may be interested in this *right now*?
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21:49:51 <clokep> Hello.
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23:11:50 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 746 to bug 919.
23:11:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 746 on bug 919.
23:11:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=919 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add "not authorized" solution for Facebook to FAQ
23:12:12 <flo> bah, the more I "fix" that Linux VM, the more broken the compilation gets :-/
23:12:28 <clokep> :(
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23:14:42 <flo> clokep: <code>Not Authorized</code> should not be translated, right?
23:15:07 <clokep> flo: I don't know, is that our error or is it from the server or?
23:15:10 <clokep> I didn't think of that though. :(
23:15:16 <clokep> Sorry I suck at translation stuff. ;)
23:15:19 <flo> from the server I think
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23:15:53 <flo> shouldn't log out and log back in be 2 separate steps, so that people see there's something to do?
23:16:46 <clokep> I had it in two, but thought it was unnecessary, do you think it would be clearer?
23:17:32 <flo> yes
23:18:23 <clokep> OK.
23:19:15 <flo> I think I would prefer a localizable string per line
23:19:24 <flo> <br> -> <br />
23:19:40 <clokep> Yeah I was wondering that too.
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23:23:31 <clokep> I'll put an updated patch up in a few minutes then.
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23:28:22 <flo> so, how long will it take for that build to fail? :)
23:30:05 <flo> clokep: "I think I would prefer a localizable string per line" the idea is that I would rather avoid putting HTML tags in the strings translators touch ;)
23:30:34 <flo> ideally, only <strong> <em> and <code> will be allowed to them in the future, with some checking that tags that are opened are correctly closed
23:31:13 <clokep> Alright.
23:31:30 <clokep> Should that have worked btw? Shouldn't those have shown up as text in IRC?
23:31:47 <flo> what do you mean?
23:33:45 <clokep> The tags were evaluated for me, (i.e. I had strong text then em then code).
23:34:17 <flo> that's bad
23:35:23 <clokep> I think that was the change you made to the &amp; handling?
23:35:36 <flo> clokep: I can't reproduce
23:36:20 <clokep> I can't reproduce either. :-/
23:36:34 <flo> are you using JS-IRC?
23:36:46 <clokep> Ah, I am! :)
23:36:47 <clokep> Good call.
23:37:17 <clokep> Do I need to specify not allowing HTML or something?
23:37:21 <flo> hey, that linux build finished successfully while I wasn't looking! youhou! :)
23:38:38 <clokep> :)
23:39:10 <flo> you need to specify the format you are sending into
23:39:21 <mmkmou> hi flo you have review the patch for shortcut  ?? 
23:39:23 <flo> but all protocols give their messages as HTML, so there's nothing to specify
23:39:50 <flo> mmkmou: you haven't requested review I think, so I wasn't sure if you were done with it
23:40:40 * clokep saw some problems wiht it...
23:41:07 <flo> clokep: well, if your incoming messages are plain text, you need to HTML escape them, don't you? ;)
23:42:01 <clokep> flo: Yes, I suppose. :)
23:43:07 * Mook_as wonders if he can <script>alert(0)</script>
23:43:25 <mmkmou> ok i'm just going to  do this 
23:43:47 <clokep> Mook_as: That one didn't work. ;)
23:44:03 <Mook_as> ah well :)
23:44:14 <clokep> In fact it showed up with the \0x01ACTION message. ;)
23:44:30 <clokep> Those aren't handled. :(
23:44:31 <flo> Mook_as: we sanitize the incoming HTML :-P
23:44:49 <flo> so that even when protocol plugin authors don't do their job correctly users aren't at risk ;)
23:45:46 <Mook_as> ah well, I think that's about all the interesting things I can think of, then
23:46:13 <Mook_as> until <span style="text-decoration:blink"> or some such gets implemented anyway :p
23:46:29 <flo> Mook_as: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/imContentSink.jsm#99
23:46:44 <flo> for the list of things you are allowed to use to mess up clokep's display ;)
23:47:29 <flo> and yes, text-decoration is allowed in standard mode
23:47:35 * clokep is just glad marquee isn't in that list. ;)
23:47:48 <clokep> But yes, that is all blinky for me. :P
23:48:57 <flo> really?
23:49:18 <instantbot> mmkmou@mmkmou.net requested review from the wind for attachment 745 on bug 929.
23:49:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add keyboard shortcuts to menu
23:49:21 <Mook_as> it stopped being blinky at the end of that line, though?
23:49:44 <Mook_as> too bad nothing interesting can get through.
23:50:02 <flo> Mook_as: in 0.1 you could get <iframe>! :-D
23:50:22 <Mook_as> hahah
23:50:27 <flo> should we prevent blinking in standard mode?
23:52:20 <Mook_as> I would think no
23:52:32 <Mook_as> assuming browser.blink_allowed is useful
23:54:10 <clokep> It stopped at the end of the line, yes.