#instantbird log on 07 14 2011

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00:00:04 <flo> so we make upstream our patches increasingly easily and reach someday a point where the system libpurple becomes usable for Instantbird
00:00:12 <flo> make -> may
00:00:25 <flo> I wouldn't bet on this though.
00:00:44 <flo> we may very well have rewritten most of the protocols in JS before that (we already have twitter in JS, we will have IRC and XMPP soon).
00:02:35 <flo> Good night! :)
00:03:05 <gg0> ok we'll see. have fun! :)
00:03:14 <gg0> 'night
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01:04:55 <Piers> hey
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03:22:00 <Mook> hmm, I can't seem to pin ib nightly from the jumplist
03:22:23 <Mook> I do get the status (avail/not/offline) items though
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09:33:10 <mmkmou> hello 
09:36:50 <mmkmou> i'm trying to read the source code of instantbird and in a file : instantbird.xul. I see the following code : "#expand  <key id"... "  what the "#expand" does here 
09:47:15 <fabrice> mmkmou: this is probably a preprocessor directive
09:47:28 <fabrice> do you have a link to the file?
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10:00:22 <mmkmou> fabrice : http://mmkmou.net/instantbird
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10:01:47 <fabrice> mmkmou: it's to process the #if, #define etc.
10:02:21 <fabrice> #expand with substitute __XXX__ with the value defined for XXX
10:02:31 <fabrice> s/with/will
10:09:17 <mmkmou> ok thank
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10:47:07 <flo> mmkmou: hello :). If you want to fix that "missing accesskeys" bug, I can show you the right file to save you some time (but if you are having fun reading the code and finding things by yourself I'll let you continue of course :))
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10:54:31 <mmkmou> hi flo, i thing that the right file is menus.xul on content directory is not it ?? 
10:54:43 <flo> it is :)
10:54:59 <mmkmou> :-) 
10:56:12 <mmkmou> i just try to read all the code to understand how he work 
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10:58:36 <mmkmou> if I have questions I would not hesitate to ask vingtetun and Protz  have already suffered
10:58:53 <mmkmou> and sorry my english is not very  good 
10:59:03 <mmkmou> not hesitate to correct me 
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11:23:51 <flo> as long as we understand what you mean, it's ok ;)
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14:26:23 <clokep_work> Quiet in here today!
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14:27:09 <clokep_work> Havne't you been saying you'd get access to the Pidgin repository for months now? :-S
14:27:18 <clokep_work> Or maybe you're just waiting till you don't have to use Monotone. :P
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14:57:31 <flo> clokep_work: it's a holiday in France ;)
14:58:32 <flo> clokep_work: exactly. They said I would have it once they are on mercurial a few months ago. I was offered a monotone access last week if I don't want to wait, but I'm not really interested in learning to use monotone if it's only for a few days :-D
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15:22:25 <ecaron> flo: Bastille Day?
15:23:01 <fabrice> ecaron: yes
15:23:21 <ecaron> Hurray for not being completely ignorant to the world around me!!!
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15:39:38 <clokep_work> Good song. ;)
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16:33:27 <eson57> good evening
16:37:02 <eson57> "sv-SE language.
16:37:02 <eson57> Your language pack was not built for an unknown reason, please contact an administrator to get this fixed!"
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16:37:29 <clokep_work> eson57: You'll have to wait for flo, although someone else had this the other day too...
16:37:56 <flo> eson57: the upload failed for no apparent reason (it happens sometimes), I've just restarted it ;)
16:39:18 <eson57> ok... no problem... I think I´m done translating. If you don´t need me to do something I missed, that is.   :)
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16:43:26 <flo> eson57: the log still shows a few dozen of missing strings ;)
16:44:34 <eson57> well that´s what I tried to explain yesterday... I don´t know where to get those strings
16:45:35 <flo> https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/en-US/
16:47:09 <clokep_work> Should that be in lxr btw? Not sure if it'd be helpful or not...
16:47:59 <flo> what would lxr provide?
16:48:32 <clokep_work> Could search through it to find what file strings are in (which I think is what eson57's question is?)
16:48:46 <flo> it's just an automatically reorganized repository with the strings from the other repository (which is lxr'ed already anyway)
16:48:51 <clokep_work> You can do it in the source too of course, but you'd get a lot of junk probably if you search for common words.
16:49:04 <clokep_work> Just an idea. :)
16:49:04 <flo> clokep_work: the file and path is explicitely in the log, so there's no need to search for it
16:49:16 <clokep_work> Ah, is it?
16:49:18 <clokep_work> Never mind then.
16:49:27 <clokep_work> I thought it was just the entity name.
16:49:53 <eson57> How come I didn´t get those strings from the beginning... en-US repository is what I started with?
16:49:55 <flo> the log looks like this: http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/builders/translate/builds/472/steps/shell_3/logs/stdio/text
16:50:35 <flo> eson57: for these files you started with the file we imported from the Pidgin translation - it was most likely outdated for your locale
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16:52:27 <eson57> ahaa... ok, I´ll fix that tomorrow thrn
16:59:06 <eson57> Have to fix friends pc tonight... so, bbl   :)
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17:12:42 <deOmega> hi clokep.  is there any clarification i need to make regatding that  message window bug?
17:12:47 <deOmega> good day
17:13:07 <deOmega> I am not  familiar with  w  Llinux or mac
17:13:49 <flo> I've created the pt-PT repository that was requested today
17:14:03 <flo> we should probably fully automate the repository creation process
17:14:36 <flo> deOmega: Hello :). The problem is the same on Mac and Linux.
17:14:48 <flo> some of the suggested solutions may not apply though (no taskbar on Mac).
17:15:46 <deOmega> Hi Flo.  OK, thank you :)
17:16:16 <deOmega> That is another example of something I had a problem with earlier, but compensated for and so.. forgot :)
17:17:53 <flo> I think you have already filed it a year or two ago
17:18:32 <flo> iirc, at the time it was more focused on the privacy aspect (= if a window opens and steals the focus, you risk entering a password in it)
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17:20:02 <clokep_work> It's similar to the "Do Not Disturb" mode I filed.
17:20:09 <clokep_work> In a way, not exactly the same obviously. )
17:20:10 <clokep_work> :)
17:20:34 <flo> and similar to an add-on I'd like to write ;)
17:20:40 <clokep_work> deOmega: No, there's enough information, I think (unfortunately) that on Windows if you create a new window htat is minimized, it might still kick people out of games.
17:20:53 <clokep_work> Which is not your request, but it's the original request. ;)
17:21:28 <deOmega> ah.     cool
17:21:39 <flo> well "add-on" because I'm not fully confident of one aspect of the UI I'm planning to create, and would like to test it for a few days
17:21:55 <flo> (and let other people test it too of course)
17:22:01 <deOmega> I  understand teh full screen aspect too, but   figure it is tehs ame for someone at work  not working on a full screen or stepping away from their pc or something
17:22:16 <deOmega> Flo.. i searched wondering if i filed it... did not find.  hmm
17:22:30 <deOmega> i should have searched 'MY bugs' instead of keywords lol
17:22:52 <flo> deOmega: bug 406
17:22:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New Conversation takes focus from current task
17:23:19 <flo> (I searcked with the keyword "focus")
17:24:01 <deOmega> ohh yeah.. not  quite the same indeed.   Actually, I may have thought the same but did not communicate it there.
17:24:20 <flo> I wish Tab Complete was smarter :-/
17:24:39 <clokep_work> flo: How so? By completing based on like people you're currently talking to?
17:25:11 <clokep_work> deOmega: It sounds exactly the same to me, just from a different use case. ;)
17:25:46 <flo> clokep_work: yes, giving more weight to people who have talked recently, and deciding to use the most likely completion if the difference in likeliness is big enough
17:25:54 <deOmega> ah.    great.    can we mark the old one  duplicate or something to have less bugs?  hehe
17:26:00 <deOmega> can i do  that?
17:26:26 <deOmega> the newer one is  more encompassing i think
17:26:48 <deOmega> err.. more solution specific hehe
17:27:04 <flo> I'm not sure they are really the same
17:27:32 <deOmega> OK.
17:27:36 <flo> when busy I would like the conversations to not open and wait for the user no longer being busy
17:27:48 <flo> but even when available, stealing the focus is aggressive
17:31:50 <flo> the download counter reached 40,000 today :)
17:33:01 <clokep_work> Yes, I guess you're right. :)
17:33:35 <clokep_work> I guess I meant they have the exact same proposed solution. But we can probably do something smarter for 406 one.
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17:33:44 <clokep_work> s/ one//
17:34:05 <clokep_work> flo: It should also weight less people that are "away".
17:34:27 <flo> can they be both talking and away?
17:34:28 <clokep_work> We should mark people away if they have "away" or "afk" or "lunch" or "zzz" in their nick. ;)
17:34:45 <clokep_work> I think so.
17:34:47 <flo> not localizable
17:34:56 <clokep_work> I was joking.
17:35:11 <clokep_work> (And you could localize it...)
17:35:44 <clokep_work> And even if they're away it's a valid target to talk to...just most likely not who you're trying to talk to...
17:39:30 <flo> clokep_work: it would need to be localized in the locale of the person you are talking to, not the locale of the user :-P
17:39:52 <Mook_as> clokep_work: you just don't like talking to seamonkey developers :P
17:39:55 <deOmega> I like the idea of doing something   special for each bug.. sounds really exciting .. and hopeful.
17:40:43 <clokep_work> flo: Ah, you're right. :( My bad.
17:40:51 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Pretty much. :)
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23:00:40 <flo> Good night :)
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23:51:58 <Piers> hey
23:52:17 <Piers> anyone know how to rename tags?