#instantbird log on 07 13 2011

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00:03:36 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/101a5d38c969 - Florian Quèze - Prevent loading web pages when a descendant of a link is clicked in a conversation.
00:03:37 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f56c1cbaf272 - Florian Quèze - Fix the 'about:config' menuitem of debug builds.
00:03:38 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/00baf0a0ef37 - Florian Quèze - Make the python l10n convert script match the behavior of purpleGetText when a string formatter touches a word.
00:03:39 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8658cad51ae2 - Florian Quèze - Import 'Services' in preferences/connection.js.
00:03:40 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/57643a5b503d - Florian Quèze - Bug 920 - Build failure due to vsnprintf redefinition (with MSVC > 8).
00:03:41 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3a6189406cab - Florian Quèze - Handle a PURPLE_VERBOSE_DEBUG environment variable in debug builds to enable libpurple verbose debug.
00:03:42 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9afd5ee23c4a - Nils Maier - Bug 921 - Crash [@ mintrayr::platform::WndProc].
00:03:43 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/54edc171e4ce - Florian Quèze - Avoid taking '/me' as the beginning of an italic string (+ fix escaping of '&' characters).
00:03:44 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3d33ffd0bc0f - Florian Quèze - Fix libpurple errors related to the participants list.
00:03:45 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/bc5904d41e3d - Florian Quèze - Bug 918 - Hide the 'Check for updates' menuitem if the updater was disabled at compile time.
00:06:49 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 921 to FIXED.
00:06:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921 nor, --, 1.1a1, maierman, RESO FIXED, Crash in tray toolkit: mintrayr::platform::WndProc
00:07:13 <flo> ah, instantbot displays at most 10 changesets at once?
00:07:23 <flo> I pushed 11 of them :)
00:09:37 <clokep> Wow, lots of changes.
00:10:44 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 920 to FIXED.
00:10:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Build failure due to vsnprintf redefinition in purple/libpurple/win32/libc_interface.h
00:11:03 <flo> doesn't really change anything though, just bug fixes.
00:11:49 <clokep> Yup.
00:11:54 <clokep> It's getting there though! :)
00:12:16 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 918 to FIXED.
00:12:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, hide "Check for updates" menuitem if update is not possible
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00:21:45 <flo> Good night :)
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03:22:58 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 925 filed by helderjfl@gmail.com.
03:23:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Rivatuner on-screen display
03:24:00 <instantbot> helderjfl@gmail.com added attachment 743 to bug 925.
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06:07:46 <eson57> good morning
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07:23:58 <eson57> is there a way to install incompatible add-ons?  extensions.checkCompatibility.1.1a1pre didn´t work...  ;)
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08:08:37 <Mic> eson57: use "extensions.checkCompatibility.1.1a" as name of the preference
08:08:57 <eson57> thanks
08:10:09 <Mic> I hate this preference name btw;)
08:10:59 <eson57> me 2... impossible to keep track on them all  :)
08:11:02 <Mic> I never get it right the first time I change it
08:12:44 <Mic>  Good bye again
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08:31:10 <eson57> ...it didn´t work  :(
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09:57:25 <flo> hello :)
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10:10:55 <Nitrox> Hello flo 
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11:42:23 <clokep_work> Good morning.
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11:52:05 <cscsaba242> Hello, the latest instantbird could not appear on Windows XP Prof SP 3, it is running but there is no appearence
11:53:10 <cscsaba242> did somebody experience it ? 
11:53:24 <ironhead> I'm using instantbird on the same version of Windows with no issue
11:54:10 <ironhead> is it possible that the window is offscreen somewhere?
11:54:21 <clokep_> cscsaba242: Or is it possible you minimized it to the tray without realizing?
11:54:24 <ironhead> can't rememember if instantbird saves it's position
11:54:35 <clokep_> (It should, on Windows.)
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11:55:09 <cscsaba242> there is no any instantbird icon on my tray
11:55:51 <clokep_> It's showing up in the task manager though?
11:55:58 <cscsaba242> yes
11:56:01 <cscsaba242> it is running
11:56:30 <ironhead> clokep_: where does instantbird save it
11:56:35 <ironhead> 's x & y values?
11:56:45 <clokep_> It's somewhere in the profile. One second.
11:57:14 <ironhead> looking in prefs.js but don't see it
11:58:26 <clokep_> It's in localstore.rdf
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11:58:49 <ironhead> ah, yes
11:59:05 <ironhead> cscsaba242: check the screenX and screenY values
11:59:15 <ironhead> make sure it's within your resolution limits
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11:59:32 <cscsaba242> my pc is unstable a bit
11:59:41 <cscsaba242> ironhead: how ?
12:00:05 <flo> cscsaba242: what do you mean by "unstable a bit"?
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12:00:25 <clokep_> ironhead: It's better to just delete that file, it's not really import information.
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12:01:05 <ironhead> in %UserProfile%\Application Data\Instantbird\Profiles\<your profile dir>
12:01:15 <cscsaba242> flo: some other program can not be stoped by taskmanager
12:01:23 <ironhead> as per clokep_'s suggestion, just delete the file :)
12:01:41 <ironhead> probably should kill instantbird.exe first though
12:01:44 <cscsaba242> so it could be because of my pc, that s why im asking
12:02:07 <flo> if several programs behave strangely, you should test the memory
12:02:18 <cscsaba242> so is there any problem on windows xp sp3 ?
12:02:21 <flo> or scan for viruses
12:02:26 <flo> cscsaba242: no.
12:02:39 <cscsaba242> ok, thats enough for me
12:02:41 <cscsaba242> thanks
12:03:23 <cscsaba242> what is the most recommended free virus scanner ?
12:03:52 <cscsaba242> i dont follow them recently
12:03:56 <ironhead> AVG and Avast both have one
12:04:19 <ironhead> no idea which one is better
12:04:23 <clokep_> Microsoft Security Essentials is actually really good.
12:04:35 <clokep_> Surprisingly. ;)
12:04:39 <cscsaba242> it it free ?
12:04:42 <cscsaba242> is
12:04:55 <cscsaba242> uhh it needs identification
12:05:05 <cscsaba242> or how you call in english
12:05:18 <cscsaba242> i cant pronounce it
12:07:21 <cscsaba242> im going to restart my pc, many thanks for the help
12:07:23 <cscsaba242> bye
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12:18:55 <flo> uh, I read planet mozilla quickly and didn't even notice the Instantbird mention on http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/2011/07/12/new-firefox-aurora-and-beta-here-mozilla-arabic-meetup-and-more/
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12:31:10 <clokep_work> That's a good little mention though. :)
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12:34:16 <eson57> hrmm...
12:34:22 <eson57> build log from my locale repository contains a list of  +entries I can´t find in my files. So I really don´t know what to do with those strings, or even if there is more work for me to do... 
12:34:22 <Mic> eson57: setting extensions.checkCompatibility.1.1a to false works for me on current nightlies, if you still got problems, just tell
12:34:54 <eson57> ok... thanks, I will try that in a moment
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12:39:02 * flo has about 30 starred (= needing a reply or an action) emails received since the 1.0 release :-S.
12:39:27 <Mic> Nothing that you could forward to the list and let someone else reply?
12:39:50 <dballing> This is going to sound silly, but how do I create a new groupchat on a Jabber server? 
12:39:51 <Mic> 315 users of Buddy Status yesterday :)
12:40:03 <flo> :)
12:40:14 <flo> Mic: not sure. I think I've done it immediately when it was possible.
12:40:27 <clokep_work> dballing: File > Join chat
12:40:50 <flo> clokep_work: isn't it something that needs to be done by the server administrator?
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12:41:00 <clokep_work> flo: I was about to ask that. :P
12:41:11 <clokep_work> I don't know how XMPP works to that degree.
12:41:15 * clokep_work will be quiet now.
12:41:17 <dballing> flo: no, users can definitely create group-chats, I know we've created groupchats the administrators would never have approved. :-)
12:41:30 <dballing> "the ops snark session" chat, for example. ;-)
12:41:37 <clokep_work> It's possible there's a command for it too.
12:42:00 <dballing> but if I do create it with the join function, it's "locked" let me get the specific message.
12:42:35 <dballing> "This room is locked from entry until configuration is confirmed."
12:42:40 <clokep_work> Ah, almost 200 for vertical tabs!
12:42:44 <dballing> but I don't get that if I try to create a groupchat in, say, Adium
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12:43:07 <dballing> Vertical Tabs should just be the default, I tell you.
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12:44:30 <clokep_work> Sorry, I'm not sure. :-/
12:44:39 * flo is not a fan of vertical tabs ;)
12:45:43 <flo> Mic: also, when forwarding to the mailing list, I always feel bad that it publicly discloses the email address of the sender who may get spammed because of that :-/
12:46:01 <clokep_work> dballing: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/jabber/jabber.c#3599 Maybe one of those will help you? :-D
12:46:26 <clokep_work> flo: We could BCC the original sender and send TO the mailing list?
12:47:12 <dballing> clokep_work: heh, that is like, gibberish to me. :-)
12:47:15 <flo> if I forward to the mailing list so that someone else answer something that was misdirected to me, that someone else needs the original sender's address ;)
12:47:35 <clokep_work> dballing: You could also do /help in any XMPP conversation and it shoudl tell you.
12:47:46 <clokep_work> flo: Right...:(
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12:54:39 <eson57> Mic: Thanks! Finally got it right.   :)
12:54:49 <Mic> :)
12:56:46 <dballing> clokep_work: yeah, that's all still pretty much gibberish to me. I really hate XMPP.
12:57:10 * dballing misses that pre-acquisition our company just used Skype everywhere, instead of some XMPP server the company owns
13:01:07 <clokep_work> dballing: Yeah, we should work to make it simpler.
13:01:21 <clokep_work> Pidgin/libpurple really likes to expose bits of the protocol that don't need exposure in my mind.
13:01:55 <flo> ok, I've replied to the comments on http://blog.instantbird.org/a50-why-should-i-switch-from-pidgin.html at least :)
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13:03:28 <flo> have we figured out the ICQ mess?
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13:04:05 <flo> I haven't validated the comment on http://blog.instantbird.org/a49-instantbird-1-0-release-3-days-later.html saying "Useless ! Cant connect to ICQ running on win7 32bit with and without admin privilegs ... no connect possible always "connection to authentication server not possible" and "ssl connection failed""
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13:05:22 <clokep_work> I haven't looked into it more.
13:05:30 <clokep_work> I did look into that IRC server...I need to respond to that bug.
13:05:33 <flo> it's probably the worst request for help I've seen in a long while
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13:11:57 <clokep_work> There is a bug about it and I found similiar issues as the other person, but I didn't create a new profile and start from scratch or anything.
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13:26:11 <clokep_work> bug 894 it seems to be.
13:26:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Default ICQ settings are wrong
13:26:20 <clokep_work> Which I'm sure you were able to find yourself. ;)
13:26:50 <jb> Hey guys, I'm experiencing an annoying behaviour: all my accounts are disconnected and remain disconnected when I turn my PC back on from standby mode. This is seen on MSN, gTalk & IRC. Twitter account reconnects thought. What am I doing wrong ?
13:30:43 <clokep_work> jb: I'm guessing you're on Windows?
13:31:01 <jb> clokep_work: yes
13:31:46 <Mic> I saw this happen too, jb
13:31:47 <clokep_work> jb: Windows seems to have trouble reconnecting sometimes after standby/hibernate. So Instantbird ends up thinking we're still "offline" (I'm guessing Windows takes too long to reocnnect to a wireless network?), I actually used to have similar behavior with Thunderbird.
13:32:09 <Mic> clokep_work: no wireless network involved here, though
13:32:19 <clokep_work> Well maybe just too long to respond to a network then. ;)
13:33:02 <clokep_work> I wonder if we shuld fire a timer when we get an offline single from the OS and check again in (xx seconds) or something?
13:33:15 <jb> clokep_work: I'm alos using Thunderbird (!) and it reconnects well. What bothers me is that Twitter seems to reconnect ok but not the other accounts...
13:34:13 <clokep_work> jb: It was very random with me for Tb/Ib, Twitter reconnecting is interesting (and sounds like a bug on our end ;)) - flo, any ideas?
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13:39:16 <flo> jb: is your status displayed in the contacts list "Offline"?
13:39:43 <flo> jb: when you click on the "connect" button on one of the accounts that failed to reconnect, does it reconnect successfully?
13:40:23 <jb> flo: It reconnects perfectly when I click "connect"
13:40:44 <flo> jb: if you change your status, do they all reconnect?
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13:42:07 <jb> flo: I can't check right now. will do soon
13:44:09 <flo> ok thanks :). I saw similar issues a few times, but never got steps to reproduce that were good enough to actually fix it :-/.
13:45:19 <Mic> gtg, have a nice day
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13:49:59 <jb1> flo: I just did the cycle and the accounts have reconnected ok. :-) I systematically experience the problem when putting the PC to hibernation for the night or an extended period pf time. Shall I look  for some kind of timeout before putting the machine back to life ?
13:50:08 <flo> There's an email on the contact list (title: "Instantbird", date: Mon, Jul 4, 2011) about ICQ connection issues that doesn't seem to have received a reply :-S
13:51:04 <jb1> flo: funny enough I'm jb1 now on IRC and was jb before cyling hibernation
13:51:48 <clokep_work> You can ghost jb1 if you're registered.
13:51:51 <flo> jb1: you are jb1 because you reconnected to IRC before "jb" left (you can check that on the log: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m412)
13:52:04 <clokep_work> ghost jb rather. :)
13:52:21 <flo> clokep_work: should we handle that automatically? ;)
13:52:38 <clokep_work> I want it to be part of my "services" handling, yes.
13:53:16 <jb1> flo: so could that be the reason why I reconnected ok ? what is the timeout on IRC for auto logoff ?
13:53:54 <flo> jb1: As I said before, I don't know what needs to be done to reproduce the issue. Each time I see this issue it's when I've no time to debug it and am just taking the laptop out of sleep to actually do something, and when I want to debug it, I can't reproduce it ;).
13:54:37 <jb1> flo: ok. i'll ping you when I see it again
13:54:44 <clokep_work> The timeout on IRC depends on the server, I believe.
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13:56:40 <flo> for what is worth, I don't think the timeout that matters for this issue could be the one from the IRC server. Most likely something related to the network.
13:57:02 <clokep_work> It's not, libpurple will just connect you with another nick (i.e. something with a 1 after it).
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13:58:36 <flo> the issue would probably just disappear if we rewrite the handling of the list of accounts
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14:02:27 <flo> clokep_work: sorry if it sounds stupid, but what's identd?
14:03:15 <clokep_work> flo: Do you want a real answer or a rant? ;)
14:03:37 <clokep_work> (one second, I need to start a job running)
14:05:00 <clokep_work> ident is "The Identification Protocol" (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1413) (therefore identd is the ident daemon).
14:05:19 <clokep_work> Some servers need you be running identd in order to connect to them (this isn't just an IRC thing, some other protocols use it too)
14:05:30 <clokep_work> I don't know a ton about it beyond that.
14:05:33 <clokep_work> cZ supports it btw.
14:05:36 <flo> clokep_work:  a short answer :)
14:06:00 <clokep_work> Wikipedia knows more than me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ident
14:06:36 <clokep_work> It pretty much allows you to ban users instead of IPs on IRC though I think.
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14:08:12 <flo> clokep_work: is that compatible with NAT?
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14:09:25 <clokep_work> I'm not sure.
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14:13:28 <clokep_work> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/extensions/irc/js/lib/ident.js seems pretty simple actually.
14:14:12 <flo> ecaron: what was the first tweet from hoaproject? I can't seem to find it :-S.
14:15:36 <ecaron> Talking about the instantbird.org domain works w/ and w/o the www without one redirecting to the other: http://twitter.com/#!/hoaproject/status/90309094912700417
14:16:06 <ecaron> (the twitter presentation of the links butchers her point)
14:16:12 <clokep_work> Hahah.
14:16:18 <clokep_work> Why's it matter if they redirect?
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14:17:09 <flo> her? Even though the twitter profile is all in pink, Ivan sounds like a male firstname to me :-S
14:17:41 <ecaron> Mostly pagerank pollution. If somebody links to a page w/o the www, and somebody links to a page w/ the www, if the one w/o the www did a 301 redirect to the www the links to compliment each others pagerank
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14:18:24 <flo> oh! ok.
14:18:55 <ecaron> flo: If English had a gender-neutral pronoun, it'd be the only one I'd use:) I have an aunt named Yvonne, pronounced just like Ivan. But you're probably right.
14:19:27 <flo> Yvonne is definitely a female name in France
14:20:15 <flo> so ib.com should redirect to www.ib.com too?
14:20:42 <ecaron> Did you read the post from the guy who drawd XKCD about gender?
14:21:06 <ecaron> Yes, either ib.com should do a 301 redirect or it should have a canonical meta tag.
14:21:50 <flo> that's probably even worst four our blog posts
14:22:15 <flo> they probably have 3 or 4 different valid urls exposed
14:22:39 <flo> *for
14:23:06 <flo> ecaron: http://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/06/sex-and-gender/ is this the post you are referring to? (the answer is probably "no" anyway :-]
14:24:24 <ecaron> This post is the one I was thinking of: https://plus.google.com/111588569124648292310/posts/SeBqgN9Zoiu
14:24:37 * flo reads http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html
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14:25:43 <ecaron> I think you're going to be happy with the document I'm working on, its going to be more action-plan oriented than generic pieces of advice. I'm cranking that out before the Twitter tutorial because I keep stumbling over good ideas and switching back anyway.
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14:31:04 <flo> I would also like to avoid repeating the mistakes we made with www-staging in the future :)
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15:31:31 <clokep_meeting> I think some of these went into my spam folder. :(
15:32:03 <clokep_meeting> That Mac Informer article has an ungodly number of ads on it.
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15:32:20 <flo> and probably not as many visitors as it claims
15:33:28 <ecaron> I really think who cares about the Mac Informer email
15:33:35 <ecaron> It seems like a link-baiting scheme to me.
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15:34:00 <clokep_work> The download link says "downloaded 7 times" ;)
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15:36:07 <flo> ecaron: if I ever add a link to such a website, it will contain a nofollow attribute in it ;)
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15:36:57 <ecaron> I kind of figured that, but w/o you putting any comment in your email forward I thought you wanted to hear other people say it was a bad idea too.
15:37:46 <flo> I'm not sure if I should reply to the email of sale person wanting to convince me to bundle some spyware with Instantbird
15:38:08 <flo> he said it's not a spyware and asks lead me to think it is
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15:38:51 <flo> as he seemed honest(ly clueless), I'm afraid if I reply I'll depress him (if he discovers he's been selling crap for a while) :-D.
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15:39:34 <flo> " asks lead" -> asked what lead
15:41:26 <ecaron> We've got a couple crap sellers that work within an hour of here. They are amazing well versed at pitching their wares like "I think this is nice, what could be bad with it"
15:41:37 <ecaron> (aka: depress away)
15:44:17 <ecaron> though that does bring up a point i keep hearing but don't find any text on the site about it: how is instantbird free, who pays the related costs, and what's the long-term business model? as a developer, i know most of the answers (other than the related costs which i think you guys do out of the goodness of your heart), but i can't figure out how to answer the "long-term business model" question to people
15:45:35 <flo> what's the answer the people need to get satisfied when they ask that? :)
15:48:01 <clokep_work> FWIW the download button does say "Free" on it.
15:48:13 <clokep_work> Ah, sorry. I misread that.
15:48:30 <clokep_work> Yes, we shuld include some of that on the instantbird.org side
15:48:34 <flo> clokep_work: from my point of view, it's the most expensive free software I've ever used ;)
15:48:53 <flo> is a "donate" button a good explanation? ;)
15:48:53 <clokep_work> :(
15:49:47 <flo> I wrote to the author of http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10309755-12.html at the time of the release
15:50:11 <flo> He's almost the only journalist/blogger who has replied to me. He replied "Interesting. Have you added Instabird to the Download.com catalog? If not, you can do so through: http://www.upload.com" :-S
15:50:30 <flo> can't even spell the name :(
15:53:13 <clokep_work> Yeah. I always found that awkward when "journalists" don't notice the details like that...
15:54:04 <flo> that upload.com site is a giant piece of crap by the way
15:54:47 <ecaron> But admit it, back in the day we all went to download.com
15:54:48 <flo> I need to tell if it works for Windows OR Mac (+ Linux doesn't even exist)
15:55:22 <ecaron> I think they want you to submit it twice, right?
15:55:28 <flo> ecaron: well, it was a bit too en-US for me at the time ;).
15:55:38 <ecaron> ah, gotcha.
15:58:52 <flo> it's almost a fulltime job to upload something there :(
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16:06:54 <ecaron> Well those seem like the kind of tasks that it'd be better to delegate to somebody who's time isn't as useful as your own
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16:08:11 <flo> ecaron: probably. I gave up at the second screen ;).
16:12:44 <Mook_as> flo: fwiw, I think I've been connecting to ICQ still. (of course, none of my contacts are on there anymore, so that's pretty iffy as a confirmation...)
16:13:15 <flo> Mook_as: it's as deserted as AIM is (in France).
16:15:23 <clokep_work> Mook_as: The issue is that the defaults changed at some point when ICQ moved their servers, so if you created the account on a nightly before like...0.3a2 it'll still work OK.
16:15:50 <Mook_as> ah, okay
16:16:06 <Mook_as> I think I might have had to manually twiddle the settings, not sure
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16:23:18 <clokep_work> Yeah, we're trying to avoid that obviously. :-D
16:24:07 <flo> or at least to know which settings people should use
16:39:37 <flo> I'm always surprised to see we get people from http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhatIsLibpurple :-D
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16:44:19 <Mook_as> since there was android stuff in the scrollback: I'm not sure an android version would share much with the desktop impl :|
16:44:37 <Mook_as> s/scrollback/blog post response/ I think, actually :p
16:45:31 <clokep_work> Not from a UI respect, no.
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16:49:37 <flo> Mook_as: we only need to create another XUL UI, don't we?
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16:50:16 <Mook_as> flo: hmm. mostly, yeah, I think
16:50:19 <groovecoder> how do I start an IRC pm with someone without having to double-click them in a channel?
16:50:40 <flo> groovecoder: /msg nickname <first message>
16:50:49 <Mook_as> I guess the first thing to do is figure out how to run anything on android
16:51:27 <fabrice> we used to run fennec on top of xulrunner
16:51:39 <fabrice> but stopped for startup performance reasons
16:51:52 <Mook_as> and it's still horribly slow :p
16:52:45 <fabrice> on which device?
16:53:08 <Mook_as> samsung 9020i (nexus s). I'm talking only about startup here, which is multi-second for me.
16:53:46 <fabrice> that's not *that* bad
16:53:50 <flo> fabrice: Instantbird doesn't run (except on some linux distributions) on top of xulrunner either.
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16:55:01 <fabrice> flo: ok. You can reuse the packaging from mobile/ probably
16:55:42 <groovecoder> flo: oh duh, thanks ;)
16:56:09 <Mook_as> it's bad enough that I can't stand using it as my primary browser, because the pauses switching to it makes the whole experience horrible :(
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16:56:50 <flo> fabrice: likely :).
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16:58:09 <flo> Can I admit I've never tried fennec on my phone? :-S
16:58:27 <flo> the only page I load from my phone is http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today
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17:01:36 <flo> the problem with answering dozens of starred emails at once is that one start receiving replies to some of the replies before being done with the previous set of emails ;)
17:02:07 <clokep_work> flo: I have that page bookmarked!
17:02:12 <clokep_work> And yesterday's version. ;)
17:02:22 <flo> yeah, I have both bookmarked
17:02:51 <flo> the only thing I would change in my android browser is: show the bookmarks instead of a white page when opening a new "tab"
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17:03:50 <fabrice> flo: you should use fennec ;)
17:04:25 <flo> I should probably update the whole OS anyway
17:06:12 <fabrice> what's your OS?
17:06:45 <flo> the one that shipped with the phone (Android 2.1)
17:06:57 <flo> the phone is a Galaxy S
17:07:14 <fabrice> cyanogenmod is really great on these
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17:12:21 <ecaron> fabrice: cyanogenmod is really great on most everything
17:12:49 <fabrice> ecaron: yes, but it's not available for all devices
17:13:38 <ecaron> *resumes dreaming about a android phone that isn't 2 years old*
17:14:11 <flo> ecaron: did you mean to type /me ?
17:14:23 <ecaron> yes, i did.
17:14:51 <ecaron> actually i was googling for the page w/ suggestions for IRC etiquette. damn mirc takes up too many results.
17:16:24 <flo> you want us to appear before mirc on google results? ;)
17:19:50 * ecaron wants instantbird to appear before everything on google
17:20:00 <flo> before the google logo ? :)
17:20:11 <clokep_work> :P
17:20:17 <flo> I think we will need an add-on for that :)
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17:26:22 <Mook_as> it's okay, ib ships a browser, you can hack that in there
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18:20:30 <flo> Good evening :)
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18:39:28 <Mic1> clokep, you even use the /today/ - log links in bug reports :P
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18:40:38 <clokep_work> Mic1: Yes, I do that quite often. :(
18:40:47 <clokep_work> At least you have the date it was filed on. ;)
18:41:13 <Mic1> The bugzilla search only returned three results, so it's not that bad ;)
18:45:48 <clokep_work> :)
18:46:45 <Mic1> bbl, watching women's soccer worldcup again :)
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18:59:23 <DGMurdockIII> hey
19:02:39 <DGMurdockIII> are you guys going to to native intagration with kde and gnome like you did with with the areo glass for windows
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19:03:29 <clokep_work> If someone is interested in doing it we'd accept it.
19:03:45 <clokep_work> Possibly. Idk if we can differentiate between KDE and Gnome or how that works.
19:04:04 <clokep_work> But we certainly wouldn't be opposed if someone wants to make it looker nicer on Linux. ;)
19:04:23 <DGMurdockIII> look at this
19:04:53 <DGMurdockIII> http://mygeekopinions.blogspot.com/2011/06/wanna-oxygen-kde-theme-for-your-firefox.html
19:05:30 <DGMurdockIII> it shows you how you could get firefox more looking like kde4
19:05:46 <DGMurdockIII> not with addons or themes
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19:08:26 <clokep_work> Right, well that's a theme though, they could support Instantbird if they want.
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20:38:45 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 926 filed by jahkae@gmail.com.
20:38:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=926 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Suppress new message pop-up.
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22:52:14 <gg0> hi
22:52:43 <gg0> please 1.0 tarball on ftp.instantbird.com
22:58:31 <Mook_as> will http://code.google.com/p/instantbird/downloads/detail?name=instantbird-1.0.src.tgz do?
23:01:36 <gg0> oh ok. will future releases be there too?
23:02:07 <gg0> past ones were under http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/
23:02:07 <Mook_as> I don't know, I just found it by tracking down where the binary download was and looking around ;)
23:03:02 <gg0> yeah that's what I did too while you pasted faster :)
23:09:52 <flo> gg0: what's the problem you are trying to address? :)
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23:11:56 <gg0> not a real issue :) me and debian watcher used to look for new ib releases on ftp.instantbird.com
23:12:31 <flo> how did you check for them?
23:12:35 <gg0> if anyone confirms future tarballs will be on code.google.com, I'll switch to such url
23:12:55 <flo> + what's the problem with http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.0/ ?
23:14:13 <Mook_as> flo: the fact that it's not listed in http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/ :)_
23:14:30 <flo> the 1.0 folder has been purposefully not listed to avoid stupid people crawling the ftp and then posting direct links to files on the ftp (which make it extremely hard to redirect to a mirror when we need to offload the traffic)
23:15:31 <flo> all the links we provide on the website have an url starting with www.instantbird.com/download and then redirect to wherever we have the more bandwidth for the latest file
23:16:17 <Mook_as> okay, that makes sense. so it's just guess the version number? :D
23:16:18 <gg0> http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/report.php?package=instantbird
23:16:29 <gg0> not a good moment. db error :/
23:16:52 <flo> if there's a need (for some reason) to have a way to automatically get the URL of the latest stable release file, we can probably hack that
23:17:18 <gg0> ok now we know even debian watcher can't detect new versions there
23:17:20 <flo> Mook_as: it's just "don't play with the ftp for releases" :)
23:18:01 <Mook_as> hmm. I wonder if you can 304 http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.0/ to a mirror (say, google code)
23:18:08 <Mook_as> or possibly just the direct file links
23:18:11 <gg0> to me it's not a problem switch it to code.google.com if you plan to upload there future versions also there
23:18:39 <flo> gg0: how do you know if it's up to date then?
23:20:04 <flo> for nightlies we have a "latest-trunk" link that is auto updated, we may need to add a "latest-release" link somewhere. If that helps (I'm really not sure that would help as I still haven't understood how the server is queried)
23:20:20 <gg0> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=instantbird
23:20:29 <gg0> last columns
23:22:18 <gg0> indeed I was updating packaging to 0.3b1 while I find out 1.0 is out by taking a look to the blog :)
23:23:03 <flo> how does it get that "0.3b1" value?
23:25:58 <gg0> I don't know. IIRC it runs twice a week
23:26:01 <flo> is it by somehow attempting to parse the HTML index and then to sort version numbers? (that would be pretty uggly)
23:26:19 <flo> "it" is the part I'm interested in ;)
23:27:00 <gg0> if anyone outthere runs debian/ubuntu could install "devscripts" and do "man uscan"
23:27:38 <gg0> ehm... http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=uscan
23:28:50 <gg0> I have no answers more exhaustive than link above :)
23:29:39 <gg0> current watch config file is http://paste.debian.net/plain/122821
23:30:52 <gg0> flo: I repeat it wouldn't be a problem switching it to code.google.com, we can avoid to go crazy by hacking ftp.instantbird.com
23:31:05 <flo> ok
23:31:43 <gg0> just to know if future releases will also be there as I guess
23:32:02 <flo> it's hard to predict the future
23:32:17 <gg0> :)
23:32:27 <flo> google code has a 2GB quota on the files we can host
23:32:49 <flo> the 1.0 release, with all the locales, takes almost half of that
23:33:25 <flo> it's possible to get a larger quota, but a human needs to review the request for it, so I can't guarantee (yet) we will have enough space to put whatever we want there
23:35:11 <gg0> well nevermind, btw I'll upload it to debian experimental soon
23:35:28 <gg0> experimental because xulrunner 2.0 is still in experimental
23:36:13 <gg0> it should land on unstable soon
23:36:22 <flo> :)
23:36:59 <flo> do you know how the rapid release cycle will be supported?
23:40:24 <gg0> dont' know details but debian + xulrunner releases = http://glandium.org/
23:41:58 <gg0> btw biggest instantbird problem in debian is still the same: http://bugs.debian.org/569946
23:43:12 <flo> so that bug is about changing the "libpurple.so" name to another one?
23:43:22 <gg0> until someone patch ib to make it use debian system libpurple, it won't go to testing so no stable
23:44:09 <gg0> I filed a bug on your bug tracker if you recall
23:44:29 <flo> yes, I did some best effort to make it work
23:44:55 <flo> iirc we arrived to the conclusion that it was not possible to have that work reliably
23:45:27 <gg0> yeah you added --enable-purple-plugins
23:45:34 <gg0> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414
23:45:37 <instantbot> Bug 414 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, --enable-purple-plugins doesn't work
23:47:46 <flo> oh, you got it working it seems? (from what I read in the latest comment)
23:47:48 <gg0> wow one year ago
23:48:49 <Mook_as> comment 11 there seems something that can be fixed, though that shouldn't cause crashes.... should it?
23:48:58 <Mook_as> (it just has a 50% chance of failing)
23:50:14 <flo> Mook_as: that code doesn't exist anymore
23:50:20 <Mook_as> even better :D
23:51:17 <flo> I removed that horrible hack in https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3cc726a6d73d
23:51:18 <gg0> flo: well partially as I wrote one year ago. consider I can't patch/write code for ib. I have just some trivial dirty bad hacks in my fingers
23:51:38 * gg0 likes minimizing himself
23:52:03 <flo> gg0: you are describing the required skills to edit libpurple files ;)
23:53:11 <gg0> I didn't spend time during last year
23:56:06 <gg0> if anyone doesn't do it, it'll remain in unstable. not really bad. reason is security team doesn't want to have to do with 2 different libpurple versions
23:59:24 <flo> it seems I'm going to have write access to the pidgin repository soon