#instantbird log on 07 09 2011

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00:03:38 <flo> Good night
00:06:00 <clokep> 'night!
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06:20:55 <Mic> Good morning :)
06:22:11 <Mic> Should nightlies from before 1.0 update to 1.1a1pre?
06:22:59 <Mic> I triggered an update and got "version 0.3pre (20110703041728)" moments ago
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06:49:34 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 901 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
06:49:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=901 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Error: snac threw error (reason 0x0008: Not supported by host)  Source File: http://hg.instantbird.o
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06:56:29 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 902 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
06:56:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=902 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Could not read chrome manifest file '[...]\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.
07:03:34 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 903 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
07:03:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=903 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, read_icon_file fails
07:07:57 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 885 to INVALID.
07:07:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Some error logs
07:14:03 <flo> the comments are rather friendly on the blog post :)
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09:54:14 <Mic> Hi
09:54:27 <Mic> The feedback on the blog posting is really positive :)
09:57:47 <flo> we told them we love them ;)
09:58:25 <flo> I suspect this may be our top crasher https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404885
09:59:24 <flo> valgrind shows this when I open the prefwindow: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/853
10:01:00 <flo> it's nice to see that some crash reports are for processes with uptimes of almost 3 days :).
10:03:33 <Mic> gtg
10:03:38 <Mic> Have a nice weekend
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10:23:51 <flo> and some more errors, that I have when opening the about dialog http://pastebin.instantbird.com/854
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12:11:25 <clokep> Hello!
12:12:30 <Mic> Hi clokep
12:13:40 <clokep> I don't think skierpage understands how running things as a -app from Firefox works.
12:13:52 <clokep> You'd still end up running another version of xulrunner, you just save a little hard drive space...
12:15:27 <clokep> And apparently a lot of people don't know about the setting for pop ups of new messages.
12:17:40 <Mic> Maybe we should rename the options to something that indicates that there's a popup window involved
12:18:01 <Mic> "Show popup notification for messages received in background windows" or something like that
12:23:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 904 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
12:23:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=904 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve label for message notifications setting
12:24:04 <Mic> So we don't forget this ...
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12:28:16 <clokep> Yes.
12:28:28 <clokep> There's been a few requests for the feature, so it must be difficult to spot. :)
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12:29:33 <rob_> Anyone live? I have a quick question about instantbird
12:31:46 <rob_> oh, actually, make that a suggestion. I think the linux tarball should have a README file, even if it just says "put all these files in /usr/bin/"
12:32:55 <Mic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients#Features
12:33:06 <Mic> lol @ "Number of Features Included"
12:34:08 <Mic> I think .. we have  .. 13.0844 features? Approximately.
12:36:32 <clokep> rob_: I'm no Linux guru, but I think it depends how your distro is set up?
12:37:12 <clokep> Mic: I've mostly handled that article for Instantbird actually. :P At least the protocols part.
12:38:07 <clokep> Are you adding it onto the Features table? If not I'll do it.
12:38:07 <Mic> Cool, I was surprised that it already said 1.0 there :)
12:38:18 <Mic> No, I won't
12:38:23 <clokep> All I'm doing is watching Jurassic Park III...which is an awful disappointment to the first two. ;)
12:41:58 <clokep> Do we support "scripting"?
12:42:02 <clokep> Not really...
12:43:46 <Mic> Does this mean that we have to add a limited DSL for instantmessage related scripting? ;)
12:44:26 <clokep> OK, I added it to that table.
12:48:23 <rob_> clokep: Yeah it does depend, but then the readme should say that; "Put this wherever you put your binaries (often /usr/bin/) and run the file 'instantbird' to start". It's just that you almost never see a linux software tarball being distributed without at least some kind of readme
12:48:43 * clokep doesn't know.
12:48:48 <clokep> I'd suggest filing a bug? :)
12:48:56 <flo> why wouldn't we support scripting when add-ons can be build in non-compiled code?
12:49:25 <flo> rob_: do you know if/what Firefox includes in its tarball?
12:49:42 <clokep> Because we don't have scripting interface I would think. Idk tables on Wikipedia are really vague cause they don't give explanations of each column.'
12:49:59 <rob_> I've always installed it from a repository or had it installed by default on the OS. I can check though
12:50:23 <flo> clokep: "You'd still end up running another version of xulrunner, you just save a little hard drive space..." What he said may not be as stupid as it seems. If the .dll files loaded (especially libxul which is the huge one) are the same, they are only once in the shared memory.
12:50:51 <flo> clokep: .idl files are exactly scripting interfaces ;)
12:51:03 <flo> and you can paste scripts in the error console
12:51:45 <clokep> flo: Ah, I wasn't thinking of the shared libraries.
12:52:04 <rob_> @flo: just checked, FF comes with a readme.txt that just says "For information about installing, running and configuring Firefox 
12:52:07 <rob_> including a list of known issues and troubleshooting information, 
12:52:10 <flo> clokep: but it's clearly totally uninteresting for us to use -app ;)
12:52:10 <rob_> refer to: http://getfirefox.com/releases/", which is better than nothing
12:52:36 <rob_> apologies for unexpected newlines in copy-paste
12:52:56 <clokep> :)
12:53:04 <flo> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/app/README.txt?force=1 http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/locales/en-US/README.txt?force=1
12:53:10 <flo> it's not really clear which is used
12:53:15 <clokep> It'd be really hard for us to do that though, since there's SO many versions of Firefox out there then.
12:53:20 <clokep> But I guess it's an interesting idea.
12:53:37 <flo> uh?
12:55:43 <clokep> I wouldn't expect all of our code to work exactly the same with Firefox 4, 5, 6, and 7 is my point.
12:57:16 <flo> I didn't understand the "it's an interesting idea." part
12:58:39 <clokep> Running Instantbird via Firefox.
12:58:45 <clokep> I 100% forgot you could even do that.
12:59:26 <clokep> > 2800 update pings yesterday!
12:59:40 <flo> that was Thursday
12:59:54 <clokep> OK.
12:59:55 <rob_> That was something I actually wondered about when first reading about it (very new to instantbird btw), is there any benefit to running both instantbird and FF? Can they share any resources?
13:01:07 <flo> rob_: when one crashes (or restarts for an add-on install) the other one keeps running
13:04:12 <flo> clokep: I don't think the -app thing is actually usable for anything
13:05:09 <flo> Firefox doesn't care about other profiles being currently running when it updates itself, so it probably wouldn't care either about other applications using its runtime ;)
13:06:26 <clokep> That really wouldn't work if you're running a nightly then. :-D
13:07:15 <flo> if it upgrade itself to an incompatible version of the runtime (even while the other app wasn't running), the other app is screwed
13:08:00 <flo> hmm, actually I think the -app could be interesting in a specific case: if you need to install both Firefox and Instantbird on a ROM (so where they will never be updated) with very limited space available
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13:12:04 <clokep> That's an awfully specific use case. :)
13:12:30 <flo> it's a diplomatic way to answer it's useless :-P
13:12:51 <rob_> wouldn't it also be ok if you absolutely knew that they would be updated togather
13:13:05 <clokep> flo: In Makefiles what is $(APP_NAME)? Would that get replaced with like "Instantbird"?
13:13:32 * clokep is looking at the webrunner code.
13:13:42 <flo> probably something they defined themselves
13:13:50 <flo> I think we have MOZ_APP_NAME defined
13:13:55 <flo> but check lxr to be sure :)
13:14:29 <flo> rob_: yes, but I see no reason to assume that.
13:15:49 * clokep is looking at http://dev.salsitasoft.com/hg/public/webrunner/file/d343f3b2f8a9/components/public/Makefile.in#l48
13:15:49 <rob_> I was thinking of mobile devices, where you're more likely to have the combination of very limited system resources, and a very controlled software environment. It's still a very specific use case of course, but not hugely unlikely
13:16:40 <flo> rob_: it's almost what I said, both applications are in the "rom"
13:17:40 <flo> clokep: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/Makefile.in#349
13:17:58 <flo> seems to be the only place where we define/use it
13:18:09 <clokep> Alright. Does that mean it's defined for me or no?
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13:18:30 <flo> if you are adding stuff to that makefile it is, otherwise it's not
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13:27:26 <flo> nice tweet: "Instantbird is a fantastic piece of software. Elegant & lightweight IM client, and my favorite interpretation of a Twitter client yet."
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13:27:39 <orange> hello
13:29:52 <Mic> Hi orange
13:30:37 <orange> Can i ask a question about instantbird?
13:30:47 <Mic> Just go ahead
13:31:28 <orange> i just want to see a channel list over irc... Is that posible?
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13:33:13 <Mic> You can get it from chanserv by sending "/msg chanserv list PATTERN"
13:33:48 <orange> i'll try it
13:33:49 <Mic> PATTERN is the pattern that the channel list is matched against, so for example "a*" (everything without the quotes ) will list all channels starting with a
13:34:24 <Mic> I think you can do "*" to get all but chanserv on Mozilla's IRC server only returns the first fifty results
13:34:30 <orange> what should i type to get it in alphabetical order?
13:36:07 <Mic> For me the result was already in alphabetical order (even though only the channels starting with a, you need to do b* to get all with b, and so on)
13:36:18 <Mic> Not really practical, I admit
13:37:08 <orange> cool
13:37:12 <orange> it worked!
13:37:24 <orange> thanks my friend
13:37:32 <Mic> You're welcome!
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13:40:48 <orange> i want to say something
13:42:38 <orange> it would be nice if i had the emoticons available below the textbox
13:42:58 <clokep> There's an extension that does that I believe...well someone was working on it at least. :)
13:42:58 <aleth> someone was making an add-on for that
13:43:18 <Mic> Let me check if he finished it.
13:44:06 <Mic> It's on AIO, you need to check for yourself if it works: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/287
13:45:01 <Mic> (i.e. it's not through the review yet, so everything is possible;)
13:46:29 <flo> I can reproduce the MSN crash all the time on my Mac debug build without valgrind, and when running with valgrind the issue doesn't seem to exist :(
13:46:56 <Mic> That's a ...
13:47:36 <Mic> .. Heisenbug, I think.
13:47:43 <aleth> :)
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13:50:10 <clokep> Maybe a race condition? That doesn't really help you solve it though.:)
13:51:48 <aleth> Could it be a timing issue? valgrind adding extra tiny delays...
13:53:00 <flo> yes, I'm wondering if it could be something caused by a timer
13:54:21 <orange> Thanks Mic again for your help now i will search to create an add-on!
13:55:01 <Mic> No problem, have you seen our wiki already? It has information for developers at http://wiki.instantbird.org
13:56:43 <orange> bookmarked!!! :D
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14:05:50 <Tonnes> greetings
14:06:22 <flo> and if I set the debug options for it to print a verbose debug log, it crashes way before :(
14:06:38 <Tonnes> flo: I got an e-mail about non-successful building of the nl langpack. Could you elaborate or help?
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14:07:02 <flo> Tonnes: didn't the email also say that it's our fault? ;
14:07:04 <flo> ;)
14:07:17 <Tonnes> er.. not that I recall :)
14:08:18 <Tonnes> just that is was not built for an unknown reason, and contact blablah..
14:08:24 <Tonnes> :)
14:08:59 <flo> "Your language pack was not built for an unknown reason, please contact an administrator to get this fixed!" err, ok
14:09:14 <Tonnes> yup
14:09:25 <flo> well, the reason is not so unknown
14:10:02 <flo> part of our buildbot thing for langpack uses the mozilla2 source code, and our code uses mozilla5, that doesn't go very well together
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14:46:43 * flo still doesn't know what to do with that libpurple update :(
14:58:51 <Mic> Does |fun.bind(thisArg[, arg1[, arg2[, ...]]])| mean that argN are used as parameters of the called function in the same order, i.e. if I put the argument that I want to get passed there, it will work without modifying the bound function?
14:59:04 <Mic> Does this description make any sense? ;)
15:00:39 <Mic> Hmm, I need to go, if someone understood the question, just put the answer in the log, please :)
15:00:41 <Mic> Bye
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15:05:03 <clokep> Mic: I believe that the other arguments just get passed, yes.
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15:05:21 <clokep> flo: I have minimize to tray working with the webrunner code. :)
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16:03:45 <mic_mike> Hello - I'm new to Instantbird and wondered how far the Pidgin import has been developed? As far as I know there had been some discussion about it. Also: Where can one enter suggestions for future development?
16:07:40 <clokep> Hello mic_mike!
16:08:09 <clokep> There's been discussion of import (and Pidgin we obviously know the format of the profile, since it's open-source), but there hasn't been any code written for any importer yet.
16:08:22 <clokep> You can enter suggestions and bugs at http://bugzilla.instantbird.org !
16:08:43 <clokep> If you'd like to bounce an idea around in here to flesh it out a bit before filing a suggestions, feel free. :) (And please search before filing any bugs/comments! :))
16:12:24 <mic_mike> Thank you clokep - too bad that there's no importer yet, but hopefully that will change in the future :-). Until then I can configure Instantbird :-). I was kind of surprised after I read about Instantbird today, as I never heard anything about it, but it seems to be existing since 2007! Regarding my suggestion: I wondered whether it is possible to show up the previous sent message in the message textbox by pressing Alt+Arror Up or s
16:13:08 <clokep> mic_mike: I know there's a bug filed about it, and in fact someone made an extension to do that! https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/278
16:13:36 <clokep> Yes, well we jumped the version number up to 1.0 (since it's been quite usable for a while), and that seems to have goten the word out more.
16:13:44 <mic_mike> Ah, fantastic, thanks!
16:13:47 <clokep> (I can find the bug number if you'd like also. :))
16:14:47 <clokep> Ah, it's bug 778.
16:14:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Input history on conversations
16:16:38 <mic_mike> Is there some more 'advertising' planned with the release of v1.0? As I had the feeling Instantbird is still rather unknown.
16:16:51 <mic_mike> While already having a lot of features and no major bugs.
16:17:31 <clokep> We've emailed a lot of blogs and have been featured on some rather big ones, I'm not sure if we really plan to do too much. Someone is working on a marketing plan though.
16:17:44 <clokep> And of course we'd appreciate if you tell all your friends (if you like it, of course!). :)
16:19:26 <mic_mike> I will, as soon as I have made my own impression - but so far, I like it. Especially that there already seem to be many addons available, while Pidgin's development seems to be rather slow nowadays.
16:19:27 <mic_mike> /afk eating
16:20:36 <clokep> Yeah, addons are very easy to make! (And if someone knows how to make a Firefox extension, they should be able to make an Instantbird one very easily.)
16:48:28 <mic_mike> Is it possible to hide the main window from the taskbar, and only display an icon in the systray?
16:50:12 <clokep> No. Is that even possible at all?
16:50:18 <clokep> Like can any program do that?
16:50:31 <clokep> Which window are you trying to get rid of?
16:50:49 <mic_mike> Good question. Has been possible in Windows XP, but I don't know about 7.
16:51:05 * clokep doesn't even use the tray icon.
16:51:07 <clokep> So I'm not sure.
16:51:16 * clokep is ironically rewriting the tray icon code at this moment. ;)
16:51:22 <mic_mike> Yes, but I suppose it will in the future...
16:51:25 <mic_mike> :-))
16:52:43 <clokep> Which window are you trying to do that with? So you want the window to actually be active but have nothing in the taskbar?
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16:54:35 <mic_mike> Exactly. Maybe you know Miranda, which works how I prefer it. The main window should be active, but there should not be any entry in the taskbar itself. One can minimize/open the main window by double clicking the tray icon or similar.
16:55:25 <clokep> Bah that breaks so many OS guidelines...
16:55:40 <clokep> I don't know of a way to do that, it could probably be done in an extension.
16:55:49 <clokep> We definitely don't support that out of the box though.
16:57:49 <mic_mike> Okay, I don't know about OS specific guidelines. I just know that this is an often requested option for Pidgin. Maybe it is possible using an extension, although I do not know how deeply extensions may intervene.
16:58:48 <clokep> Extensions have full access to everything when using the Mozilla platform.
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17:01:34 <clokep> Sorry, I Just never really understood minimizing to the system tray, especially iwth Win7.
17:01:51 <mic_mike> Is there already a way to show the 'profile' of a buddy, e.g. thinks like resource name, priotrity, full name, birthday etc.?
17:02:41 <clokep> They're shown as tooltips on the buddy list or the tabs of the conversation.
17:02:58 <mic_mike> For me it makes sense because the buddy list is always open and therefore always reserves space in the taskbar...
17:03:32 <flo> so you like to keep the list always visible?
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17:05:58 <mic_mike> Ah I see, though not every information seems to be displayed or retrieved.
17:05:59 <mic_mike> @flo: Either that (while not permanently keeping it on top of everything), or toggleable by double clicking the still-in-development-tray-icon.
17:06:45 <flo> "toggleable by double clicking the still-in-development-tray-icon." isn't that the current default behavior?
17:07:03 <flo> ah no, you want to double click to hide too
17:07:05 <flo> ok
17:08:26 <mic_mike> It may be just because I'm accustomed to it because of various IM-clients/other programs, but as far as I experienced it is a often requested feature, while of course being a cosmetic one and therefore not that important :-)
17:09:09 <flo> mic_mike: people often request to not see the contacts list at all, except when starting a new conversation
17:09:14 <clokep> Double clicking it should toggle between showing and hiding, yes...I'm trying to figure out how to do that right now...
17:09:28 <mic_mike> I suppose the currently empty bar on the bottom of the contacts list will in future be used for status changes as in other clients?
17:10:28 <mic_mike> Is there no easy check for the current window visibilty? If it is visible, hide it, etc.?
17:10:37 <flo> it will be used to display which account are connected / if there are connection errors
17:11:01 <flo> clokep: close the window, and reopen it :)
17:11:17 <mic_mike> flo: Yes, but those two do not exclude each other.
17:11:43 <clokep> flo: Not helpful. :P
17:12:01 <flo> clokep: then, what's your problem? :)
17:12:02 <mic_mike> (Regarding contact list. But at the moment I suppose there are more pressing requests at the moment ;-).)
17:18:01 <clokep> My problem is that all this code is vaguely commented. :P
17:18:32 <flo> mine?
17:19:12 <clokep> No, the webrunner stuff.
17:19:23 <mic_mike> Instantbird is entirely written in Python, isn't it?
17:19:39 <clokep> Nothing is written in Python AFAIK.
17:19:45 <DGMurdockIII> why dont you guys use the chatzillla code for the yo improve the irc stuff on instantbird
17:19:59 <clokep> It's mostly C++/JavaScript/XUL.
17:20:05 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Cause the cZ code is terrible.
17:20:16 <DGMurdockIII> oh ok
17:20:52 <clokep> I mean it works...
17:21:02 <clokep> But it's very old and doesn't take advantage of many of the newer features available ot us.
17:21:05 <mic_mike> Oh, really? Thought I've seen some .py-files in the tarball. Nevertheless, my knowledge is rather limited to Java at the moment.
17:21:27 <clokep> If you know one language you can write pretty much any of them. ;) It's just learning the syntax.
17:22:07 <mic_mike> Yes, that's basically true, but especially things like GUI programming often differs.
17:22:23 <clokep> Ah, true. I try to stay away from the UI. :)
17:22:52 <clokep> The UI is written in XUL (which is very similar to HTML), and scripting of the UI is in JavaScript.
17:24:43 <clokep> Anyway, if you're interested in helping we certainly don't mind helping people understand stuff. :)
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17:30:56 <mic_mike> At the moment studying/working eats my time, but I certainly will have a look at Mozilla addon programming.
17:33:06 <clokep> :)
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18:08:29 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 905 filed by jahkae@gmail.com.
18:08:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Option to remove buddy list from taskbar.
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18:09:29 <deOmega> good day :)
18:10:47 <deOmega> You know.. one of the things that I  always believed in, is that  when a company gets a new employee.. they  should give them a suggestion form that they fill out  over the first few months.   
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18:11:22 <clokep> That would definitely not be part of the persistent system tray work. :P
18:11:38 <clokep> (Which I think might actually be like changing two lines of code, but I'm trying to switch to a  better toolkit right now...)
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18:11:45 <flo> deOmega: first few months?
18:11:51 <deOmega> UH OH lol
18:12:03 <deOmega> flo:  continuing
18:12:14 <flo> I would expect the most interesting/surprising comments to come within a day or two, or maybe even the first hour
18:12:29 <flo> all the "Uh, WTF is that process designed for?" feelings ;)
18:12:35 <deOmega> I agree.. but those would be logged also.
18:13:11 <deOmega> However,  as one gets deeper into teh  job..  they may run across other  surprises
18:13:26 <deOmega> Anyway, i say that to say...
18:13:38 <deOmega> I have been reading the  log  from teh new users
18:14:31 <deOmega> because i have now been using  instantbird for so long.. i have forgotten about a lot of other functions.. because, I am not comfortable.. and in a sense.. i make do with what i have and not worry much about what i do not have.
18:14:48 <deOmega> However, it does not mean that those features are not  wanted.  
18:15:15 <deOmega> but it is amazing seeing these comments... just how much i have forgotten about and just how much i have made a home with IB.. just as it is
18:15:56 <deOmega> we really have to shy away from being complacent, and it is great that i do not see that with you guys at all.
18:17:44 <deOmega> It is also  important that you guys do not steadfastly say.. heck, i do not use abc.. so  the program does not need it... otherwise.. we would be becoming like 'Some developers make their programs the best for themselves and share it with you, for free...'
18:18:11 <deOmega> end.  :)
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18:20:09 <clokep> I need to go do some stuff, so have a good rest of the day!
18:20:18 <deOmega> thanks for the feedback clokep.  now i need to uninstall those programs :)
18:20:27 <deOmega> you too.
18:20:29 <clokep> deOmega: Good luck!
18:20:45 <clokep> Yeah, I mean it's something we could work on, but it's not directly related to that tray icon stuff. :)
18:21:19 <deOmega> ok, i assumed that because of the toggling. Thank you
18:24:46 <clokep> Right, but they're not really related.
18:24:49 <clokep> Anyway I gotta go, ciao.
18:25:00 <flo> deOmega: if I made Instantbird only for me, there would clearly be no Windows version, as it's a painful system to work with ;)
18:25:42 <deOmega> haha. I know you are not :)
18:26:49 <deOmega> hey, the single click  restore for the systemtray.. i thought it was built into the nightlies?  I am not seeing an option for that .. and i use the nightlies.
18:27:05 <clokep> There's no option.
18:27:32 <deOmega> hmm, disabling your addon.. reverts me to  doubleclick
18:27:36 <clokep> You have to change it in about config.
18:27:41 <deOmega> ah
18:27:44 <deOmega> OK
18:27:48 <clokep> Of course it'll revert you, the default behavior on Windows is double click. :)
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18:28:03 <clokep> the pref is extensions.mintrayr.singleClick or osmething like that.
18:28:05 <deOmega> I will stick with yoru addon lol
18:28:17 <clokep> It's extensions.mintrayr.singleClickRestore.
18:28:19 <clokep> You shouldn't.
18:28:27 <clokep> You should use the stuff built in if you're running nightlies.
18:28:40 <deOmega> ok, will do now
18:28:42 <clokep> Less stuff loaded that way. :P
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18:28:51 <clokep> Save those kbs of RAM! :-D
18:29:08 <deOmega> lol
18:29:24 <clokep> Plus I really don't want people to use that extension after 1.0. :)
18:29:31 <clokep> I don't want to have to support it. :-D
18:30:13 <clokep> If you really think we need UI for it, you can file a bug about it.
18:30:27 <clokep> But I'd rather not put UI for it since it abides by the OS expectations.
18:30:45 <clokep> Idk if flo has an opinion.
18:30:48 <clokep> Anyway, ciao.
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18:31:26 <deOmega> ok.  I have a bug filed i thought.. will revisit.  thanks clokep.
18:32:33 <flo> I would prefer reducing the number of confusing preferences than adding more. If an UI is needed, an add-on would be fine for it :)
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18:35:59 <deOmega> ok, then i will leave bug as is :)
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18:36:58 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 906 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
18:37:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=906 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Show full versions of shortened URLs in tooltips
18:41:07 <deOmega> that would be a nice feature indeed... then clokep could use my shortened links :)
18:41:18 <deOmega> Have a great weekend
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19:13:15 <mic_mike> http://blog.instantbird.org/a44-introducing-magic-copy.html That's kind of cool tbh :)
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20:27:56 <flo> mic_mike: glad you like it :)
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21:26:05 <Mic> good ngiht
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22:17:47 * flo wonders how long it would take to rewrite the MSN plugin in JS.
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22:36:28 <deOmega> flo.. is the even possible with iB.  The   fully transparent.
22:36:55 <flo> deOmega: is this about the email I forwarded?
22:36:59 <deOmega> I remember this on   the messenger mentioned in the email... and teh setting was.. transparent like tweak ui
22:37:02 <deOmega> yes
22:37:14 <deOmega> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweak_UI
22:38:41 <flo> an add-on can probably easily make the buddy list background transparent and remove the window border
22:38:54 <deOmega> that woudl go hand in hand to the  request for the no statusbar I filed earlier
22:39:33 <deOmega> yeah, I think it would be a good idea for it to be an addon indeed, because I am not sure how many people would want it, but it is pretty darn cool.
22:41:15 <deOmega> hmm, i wonder if that same person  can do it?  :).  Man, that is really the real beauty of IB.   
22:42:47 <deOmega> It really boils down to setting  transparency without affecting the text.. but full transparency, i recall was termed.. 'like tweak ui'
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22:48:39 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 907 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
22:48:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 737 to bug 907.
22:48:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=907 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Figure out what's wrong with the 2.9.0 version of the MSN plugin
22:49:43 <flo> anybody wanting to guess when we will have our 1000th bug filed? ;)
22:51:02 <Mook> no, I'm too lazy to go find 93 bugs to file right now.
22:53:30 <flo> if you want to file them without having to find the issues yourself, I can probably export a part of my todo list for your bug filing pleasure :-P
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22:59:34 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4669caa9e5d4 - Florian Quèze - Update libpurple from version 2.7.11 to 2.9.0 (some changes of the MSN plugin are not included, see bug 907).
22:59:35 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/076d82f779ef - Florian Quèze - Ignore repository addresses from hgrc files when running client.py.
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23:30:38 <flo> clokep: mintrayr doesn't compile against mozilla-aurora (moz7). I hope your updated webrunner tray icon code does :)
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