#instantbird log on 07 01 2011

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00:02:16 <aleth> A new decentralized P2P chat protocol http://blog.bittorrent.com/2011/06/30/uchat-we-just-need-each-other/
00:02:44 <aleth> no server required
00:02:52 <EionRobb> ooh
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00:07:54 <douglaswth> flo: yeah, I guess I should probably have some sort of limit
00:08:16 <flo> and don't do anything with the event when the input box is empty :)
00:09:33 <flo> Good night :)
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00:11:01 <Mathnerd314> aleth: you could implement it in Instantbird!
00:11:12 <douglaswth> flo: I like having tab complete when the input box is empty; I could change that for the integrated tab completion though
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00:14:19 <Mathnerd314> aleth: except the post before says it's patent-pending
00:16:09 <aleth> no open standard :(
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00:24:06 <douglaswth> flo: or make a preference for it?
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00:26:19 <Mathnerd314> aleth: reverse-engineering couldn't be too hard
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00:29:26 <Mathnerd314> aleth: the Bittorrent protocol is an open standard, and this is built on top
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00:30:12 <EionRobb> it looks similar to another DHT serverless protocol... the name eludes me
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01:53:37 <clokep> Bah we don't need another protocol, we just need people to use the ones that exist.
01:54:10 <clokep> And another serverless one? Hmm...only thing that  comes to mind ps Psyc? (I think that's what it's called), but that's built ontop of IRC, so it must have servers...
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02:40:25 <EionRobb> ah, retroshare is what I'm thinking of... but also cspace
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03:12:59 <Potato> is it just me or is aim and msn not working?
03:18:04 <douglaswth> they seem to be working fine for me
03:20:01 <Potato> hmm
03:21:17 <Potato> for AIM i got a "unable to connect to authentication server: SSL Connection Failed" error
03:21:22 <Potato> it was working for me the other night
03:22:08 <Potato> and for MSN i have an "Connection error from notification server: unable to create socket: windows socket error #10013"
03:22:19 <Potato> msn stopped working for me a couple months back
03:33:24 <Potato> reinstalled aim works, but msn doesnt still
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06:28:15 <Mic> Good morning
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07:58:05 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 885 filed by m.dames@gmx.de.
07:58:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Some error logs
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08:01:16 <mailme_gx> hi guys, any idea when the addons is likley to be online? 
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08:03:22 <Mic> Hi
08:04:09 <Mic> Even, any ideas when AIO will be back? (I didn't manage to catch up with yesterdays logs, if something was said on this already)
08:09:47 <mailme_gx> thanks for the tio mic.. her is yesterdays log:
08:09:47 <mailme_gx> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110630/
08:12:12 <Mic> I know but yesterday's log has over 1200 lines and I didn't read everything. I just found something anyways!
08:12:14 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110630/#m1193
08:13:13 <Mic> Searching from bottom to top for "addon" helped a lot :)
08:13:37 <Mic> So nothing definitive unfortunately :(
08:14:27 <mailme_gx> yip.. its been since yesterday this time, very dissapointing, I remener ff has similar issues 3.0 resease I think it was.. 
08:15:24 <mailme_gx> 20:15:17 * flo has reopened the addons website for a try. It should be back online in 5 minutes (DNS propagation time) ...hmm
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08:25:23 <flo> hello :)
08:32:00 <mailme_gx> hello :D
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08:38:39 <flo> heh, we are on planet mozilla again, in a somewhat more personal way this time ;)
08:39:07 <ptit_boogy> Hello flo
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08:44:50 <flofreud> Is it possible to open the timeline of twitter again after closing? I can not write a tweet without waiting for tweet from someone else
08:50:27 <flo> flofreud: unfortunately it's not possible currently. I think we wrote it in the known issues in the release notes.
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08:53:24 <flofreud> /quir
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09:51:47 <iLobster> Greetings. Grats flo, grats all instantbird people. ^^
09:52:02 <flo> iLobster: hello :)
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10:02:54 <flo> the add-ons website is currently open for another test.
10:03:11 <flo> so if you really really wanted to go there, now is a good time before we decide if we have to close it again ;)
10:04:23 <iLobster> Same message - Over capacity =(
10:04:40 <flo> iLobster: wait some more minutes then (DNS propagation time)
10:04:58 <flo> the over capacity message is on the other server and appears only when the site is closed
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10:19:42 <iLobster> flo: Still the same message =(
10:21:07 <iLobster> Do anyone have addon which add button to add emoticons in messages? I mean in public access.
10:21:08 <iLobster> On instantbird addons site it was instantbird/addon/234 if i remember correctly.
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10:26:20 <flo> iLobster: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/downloads/file/311/smart_emoticons_toolbar-0.1.5b-instantbird.xpi
10:26:39 <flo> get it while the site is open, we are going to close it very soon (totally overloaded in spite of the cache we have added)
10:32:55 <iLobster> flo: site is over capacity for all this time
10:33:05 <flo> clear your DNS cache
10:33:26 <iLobster> done it some time ago
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10:48:43 <hunsly> hi, "all in one" add-on?
10:52:48 <flo> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682 should probably have blocked 0.3 :(
10:53:30 <flo> by the way, I'm looking forward to touching the code again :-D
10:55:06 <flo> I've closed the addons website again
10:55:14 <flo> and tweeted: "We have ordered a beefier server for the add-ons website. We hope it will be back online soon. Stay tuned! :)"
11:02:06 <flo> we are visible (last item) on http://www.delicious.com/tag/windows
11:02:17 <flo> saved by 998 people
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11:37:12 <BlueMaxima> Hi, I'm having trouble connecting my Facebook chat to Instantbird
11:38:30 <BlueMaxima> Oh wait, sorry, my password was wrong
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11:39:02 <hunsly> hi, "all in one" add-on?
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11:52:24 <clokep> hunsly: What do you mean "all in one" add-on?
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11:54:37 <hunsly> https://hg.instantbird.org/addons/file/tip/allinone
11:54:48 <hunsly> clokep: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:extension_wish_list#Buddy_list
11:54:48 <clokep> What about it...?
11:55:20 <clokep> I'm not sure wha tyou're asking, yes we've experimented with it a bit.
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11:58:11 <Mic1> Hi
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11:59:20 <clokep> Hello Mic1.
12:01:34 <flo> (twitter) "Most messaging clients for Linux make me want to kill. Mozilla's instantbird is not one them, great work Mozilla team!" :-D
12:02:24 <flo> clokep: hello :)
12:02:46 <clokep> Good morning flo!
12:03:00 <Mic1> The egg-icon of the twitter account is strange, any reason why it is not have the logo?
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12:03:48 <clokep> That's actually the default Twitter icon. ;)
12:05:05 <Mic1> Ah, Twitter, bird, egg, new account, hatching .. I think I get the idea ;)
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12:06:46 <flo> Mic: I've changed the icon
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12:17:35 <flo> we have a third server under our contol. The spec are: Intel® Xeon® L3426 (4x 1.86GHz, 64 Bits), 16 Go DDR3 ECC, 2 x 2 To SATA2 Raid 1 HARD, unlimited bandwidth with an 1Gbps connection.
12:20:45 <flo> anyone remember where the instantbird background images are hosted?
12:21:14 <flo> the awesome bar isn't awesome enough for my little memory :(
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12:26:41 <clokep> "Instantbird background images"?
12:27:56 <flo> desktop wallpapers
12:28:07 <flo> idechix produced lots of them a few years ago
12:28:18 <flo> I'm sure I've hosted them somewhere
12:28:21 <flo> but.. where?!?
12:31:20 <clokep> Hah, I've never seen those so I can'thelp ya. :)
12:32:28 <flo> a gmail search seems to indicate there used to be an idechix.instantbird.com domain :-S
12:32:31 <flo> huh
12:32:33 <flo> I didn't even remember that :(
12:33:19 <flo> that was probably on my previous server, which was on my desk in my appartment in Paris. It was retired in early 2009
12:34:51 <flo> I have a file idechix-ib-wallpapers.tgz on my hard disk. That looks promising
12:35:04 <flo> I also have idechix.instantbird.org.tgz
12:35:34 <flo> and florian.instantbird.org.tgz (no idea of what was hosted there. Maybe things similar to what I do these days with queze.net/goinfre/)
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12:38:12 * flo has unpacked that idechix-ib-wallpapers.tgz file in http://queze.net/goinfre/wallpapers/
12:38:16 <flo> enjoy :)
12:39:40 <clokep> Ah, nice. :)
12:39:50 * clokep should really implement ACTION messages in JS-IRC. ;)
12:43:35 <flo> http://twitter.com/#!/instantbird what do you think?
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12:49:18 <Mic1> flo: what's up with the twitter page?
12:49:29 <flo> changed the icon, and background
12:50:11 * Mic1 is fighting with his cache...
12:51:06 <clokep> Looks good flo. :)
12:51:46 <clokep> We should probably put those on the real website at some point. :-D
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12:53:58 <flo> clokep: they are all outdated :(
12:54:08 <flo> it's the before-0.2 font on the website name
12:54:20 <clokep> Oh. :(
12:54:48 <flo> but sure, we should share good wallpapers at some point
12:56:10 * flo will play with Google+ later
12:56:12 <Mic1> hmm, isn't ctrl-f5 supposed to reload without the cache? I keep getting the old look :(
12:57:07 <clokep> Might be shift, I don't remember.
12:57:55 <flo> Mic1: you need shift to bypasse the cache I think
12:58:08 <flo> well, I use Ctrl+shift+R
12:58:50 <Mic1> I tried almost any conceivable combination with f5 already..
13:01:32 <Mic1> Ahh! I'm even getting it when using IE to access Twitter (which I never use for anything).
13:01:46 <Mic1> So the problem isn't really on my side, I'd say
13:01:54 <clokep> Maybe it needs to propagate. ;)
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13:02:12 <Mic1> Like so much, lately ;)
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13:09:07 <clokep> I'm surprised we haven't had more people saying they can't connect to Facebook btw.
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13:17:27 <GeekShadow> just spotted a mistake in the french page of http://instantbird.com/thanks.html
13:17:39 <GeekShadow> "et dont nous avons oublé (désolés !) ou jamais connu les noms !" -> oublié
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13:19:08 <flo> grrr
13:19:16 <flo> he should really have used a spellchecker!
13:20:10 <flo> http://www.winload.de/news/software/instantbird-der-firefox-zum-chatten/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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13:35:57 <flo> clokep: do you remember where the All-in-one add-on Mook made is? Or just what it's called?
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13:43:20 <flo> http://www.softwarecrew.com/2011/07/access-multiple-social-and-instant-messaging-networks-with-instantbird-1-0/
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13:46:46 <clokep> flo: That wiki page had a link to it. ;)
13:46:48 <clokep> unibrow though I think?
13:47:11 <clokep> flo: https://github.com/mook/unibrow
13:47:31 <flo> is there an xpi somewhere?
13:48:41 <clokep> Not that I know of.
13:49:27 <flo> and the max version is 0.3a2pre
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13:50:11 <ecaron> flo: I know it'd just be a short-term patch, but do you think mod_pagespeed could be thrown on the addons server? http://code.google.com/speed/page-speed/docs/module.html
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13:53:47 <flo> ecaron: we added memcache. It improved the situation, but not enough for the server to hold the load at a time when the americans are asleep
13:54:13 <flo> ecaron: we ordered a better server (Intel® Xeon® L3426 (4x 1.86GHz, 64 Bits), 16 Go DDR3 ECC, 2 x 2 To SATA2 Raid 1 HARD, unlimited bandwidth with an 1Gbps connection). Should be at least 10 times faster
13:54:29 <ecaron> I figured as much, and since its a CPU issue the problem is the image compressing stuff not caching correctly. Right?
13:54:53 <flo> I think the problem is likely the SQL requests
13:55:06 <ecaron> The main point about mod_pagespeed was to make the page look like it loads faster but dropping most of the HTTP requests and really strongly enforcing the expire headers.
13:55:40 <flo> Even is currently migrating the site to the new server
13:55:43 <ecaron> I must confess I was playing with Google+ a bit too much last night to dive enough into the Cake code, I just guessed the images were the problem based on firebug.
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13:56:04 <ecaron> Even: If you need a hand, I'm happy to help.
13:56:29 <ecaron> The new box sounds very loely
13:56:36 <ecaron> /s/loely/lovely/
13:57:01 <flo> we don't have time to set it up like we like, we just kept the default OS
13:57:52 <flo> (Even and I and a bit fan of FreeBSD for servers. We will just keep it with Ubuntu 11.04 server for a while until we have time to really set-up things correctly)
13:58:57 <ecaron> Sounds like you've got a good plan. The fun price of popularity!
13:59:24 <hunsly> flo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3837147/unibrow.RELEASE_0_0_0_20101211.xpi
13:59:59 <flo> hunsly: compatible with 1.0 (= you bumped the maxVersion in install.rdf) I assume? :)
14:00:19 <hunsly> no, or yes
14:00:27 <clokep> Does it work though? ;)
14:00:30 <hunsly> hacked version nuber :D
14:01:30 <flo> totally confusing answer, thanks
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14:12:00 <flo> http://www.betanews.com/article/Why-tweet-when-you-can-chirp-InstantBird-10-multiIM-client-is-available/1309528424
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14:23:40 <flo> ecaron: I've improved a bit the appearance of our twitter account.
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14:28:56 <werwolf> hi there
14:29:06 <werwolf> I have a small problem with instantbird
14:29:13 <werwolf> I set dark variant of the theme
14:29:26 <flo> I think at some point we should post on our blog an answer to the "I'm using Pidgin/Adium, why should I switch?"
14:29:34 <werwolf> and I get form ICQ2Go black text on dark background
14:29:41 <werwolf> nearly impossible to read it
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14:30:06 <werwolf> flo: good idea I used pidgin till now
14:30:15 <werwolf> and it is great
14:30:29 <werwolf> is is a bug ?
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14:33:11 <ecaron> flo: Wow - the @instantbird page looks much better! Nice choice w/ the background
14:33:31 <flo> have you seen how I've been replying to people?
14:33:40 <flo> both with my personal twitter account and the ib twitter account?
14:34:24 <ecaron> I hadn't seen that you've been doing it w/ @fqueze, does that give you better responses?
14:34:36 <werwolf> Over capacity!
14:34:38 <werwolf> Due to an unprecedented affluence, this server is currently over capacity.
14:34:39 <werwolf> We are doing our best to bring this service back online as soon as possible.
14:34:41 <werwolf> Thanks for your interest in Instantbird!
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14:35:19 <flo> ecaron: it's just that I've fqueze configured on the Instantbird I use :-)
14:35:33 <flo> for other is in another instance of Instantbird which I started just to test
14:35:40 <flo> I thought you were going to take it over anyway
14:36:01 <werwolf> could somebody check the ICQ2GO problem?
14:36:11 <werwolf> with dark theme in instantbird
14:36:16 <ecaron> Yes, I'm absolutely on it.
14:37:05 <flo> werwolf: can you describe the problem better?
14:37:46 <flo> werwolf: can you go in the contents preference tab and stop displaying the colors embedded in the received messages?
14:37:57 <werwolf> well I mother uses ICQ2GO, i set dark variant of the default theme in instantbird
14:38:03 <werwolf> I get black letters on dark background
14:38:07 <werwolf> it is not readable
14:38:22 <flo> werwolf: can you go in the contents preference tab and stop displaying the colors embedded in the received messages?
14:38:31 <werwolf> ok, let me check it
14:39:44 <werwolf> thanks works now
14:39:47 <werwolf> :)
14:40:39 <werwolf> looks great :)
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14:42:40 <flo> werwolf: you are welcome :)
14:42:44 <flo> enjoy using Instantbird :)
14:43:19 <werwolf> well what is the main difference to pidgin? :P
14:43:46 <werwolf> xul interface
14:45:58 <werwolf> get extention does not recognize I am connected ...
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14:47:02 <flo> werwolf: known bug.
14:47:12 <flo> this message appears only the second time you open the add-ons manager
14:47:54 <werwolf> waw :O
14:47:59 <werwolf> it knows svg files
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14:54:18 <Goncyn> flo: I complained last night about getting disconnected from AIM because of multiple signons. You were right, the option was unchecked here at work. So, that fixed that. Odd thing is, I didn't change the defaults on either computer, but the settings were different.
14:56:34 <flo> Goncyn: cool! thanks for confirming it's fixed :)
14:57:46 <Goncyn> does the option's initial value get influenced by the server somehow or something?
14:57:54 <Goncyn> or if you are already signed on elsewhere or not?
14:57:59 <flo> no
14:58:06 <werwolf> can be instantbird integrated in firefox or seamonkey:? just an idea .....
14:58:13 <flo> no
14:58:26 <flo> well it could if someone wanted that
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14:58:40 <flo> but we are not interested in doing it ourself at least
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15:07:27 <flo> support questions on twitter may be some how better than here by the way. People are limited to 160 chars so they just ask what they really need :-)
15:07:50 <flo> well, it's better to ask here
15:08:05 <flo> but the overall qualify of questions seems better on twitter
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15:12:45 <Goncyn> are you saying my questions are verbose and uninteresting? :P
15:14:04 <flo> not. More that I didn't really need to know that the black messages werwolf received were from his mother.
15:14:07 <flo> *no
15:14:28 <Goncyn> lol
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15:26:06 <flo> we are testing the add-ons website on the new server
15:28:15 <flo> (= it's open)
15:33:21 <clokep> :)
15:33:25 <clokep> Stress testing? ;)
15:33:37 <flo> you can go try it
15:33:44 <flo> and tell us if it's responsive
15:33:46 <Goncyn> yay I am trying it
15:36:36 <Goncyn> seems fine
15:39:18 <flo> can I go tweet that it's open?
15:40:13 <clokep> Yeah, seems pretty good.
15:40:48 <flo> we have already more people than when the over server was falling down, and the new server gets bored (load average: 0.00)
15:41:00 <flo> *other
15:41:04 <clokep> Hahah.
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15:41:45 <flo> we are paying (almost) twice the price, but for much better performances
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16:02:34 <ecaron> flo: All the new tweets should show up at the bottom of the twitter window, right?
16:02:42 <flo> yes
16:02:48 <flo> you need to track the "instantbird" keyword ;)
16:03:03 <flo> otherwise twitter will only send you the tweets for "@instantbird"
16:03:28 <ecaron> That part I've got figured out, but in scrolling up I see tweets jumping from an hour ago to 7 minutes ago and 2 days to 11 minutes
16:03:48 <flo> read the blog post about timebubbles maybe?
16:04:06 <clokep> flo: It's probably the old timeline stuff that I want to fix.
16:04:08 <flo> (I suspect you made up the "ago" word)
16:04:28 <ecaron> yes, i did make that up
16:04:32 <flo> clokep: that doesn't help
16:04:49 <clokep> Ah, sorry I misread that. :)
16:05:03 <clokep> Yeah, probably adding in "ago" I do that sometimes too. :-[
16:08:22 <flo> ecaron: are you replying to people already?
16:08:54 <ecaron> flo: I guess I'm losing my mind, I swear that I saw your newer tweets (from today) interspersed with the old ones but I can't reproduce it.
16:09:20 <flo> we sort them and exclude duplicates, so that seems really unlikely.
16:10:36 <ecaron> let's assume I made it up until I can prove otherwise. I'll start replying now
16:12:38 <flo> ecaron: I always assume that for me until I see something twice. That's also a reason why when someone reports a bug I often feel "hey, I've seen that already" (but not reported it myself)
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16:19:54 <flo> ecaron: obviously, it seems I'm handling the messages in french ;)
16:23:00 <ecaron> oui
16:23:34 <flo> so you have a french name but aren't french but speak french? :-)
16:23:45 <ecaron> (speaking of, i think my favorite thing about instantbird is that windows character keys are fully supported, unlike pidgin)
16:24:07 <ecaron> I'm afraid I've exhausted my french, and even that I only got 2/3 correct
16:26:34 <flo> ahah
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16:56:01 <HU-Man> is there a way to change the status to invisible?
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16:59:38 <Mic1> HU-Man: not officially
16:59:54 <HU-Man> k, thanks :)
16:59:58 <Mic1> The invisible status is sort of unreliable since not all protocols support it
17:01:53 <Mic1> (and the ones that do have different approaches to do so)
17:03:36 <Mic1> What do you need the invisible status for, if I may ask?
17:03:46 <HU-Man> right.. yet it's quite handy to have it for the protocols that do support it. anyway my self-confidence remains in tact. i didn't miss anything :P
17:04:08 <HU-Man> well, sometimes i want to speak only to a specific person on my list
17:04:20 <HU-Man> while if i'll log in, too many ppl will contact me
17:04:50 <flo> HU-Man: you can set the status to "Busy"
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17:04:58 <Mic1> Would they respect it if you set yourself to be "unavailable" (that's like busy/do not disturb)
17:05:01 <Mic1> ?
17:05:11 <HU-Man> heh i wish :)
17:05:15 <flo> if people don't respect you and contact you anyway whil you are busy and obviously can't talk to help, you can feel free to not reply to them
17:05:41 <HU-Man> yep, i'm aware of it
17:05:41 <flo> (they are not respecting you, so they don't deserve the same behavior)
17:06:04 <flo> well, that sentence is poorly phrased, but you get the point :)
17:07:04 <HU-Man> yea..
17:07:08 <clokep> Aka " get cooler friends"? ;)
17:07:19 <clokep> If only all IM protocol were designed the same. :(
17:08:17 <Mic1> In a way I can understand that it is easier to appear as offline and not have to ignore people's messages
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17:08:47 <flo> HU-Man: appearing offline while talking to someone is also a lack of respect toward the person you are talking too, because if you happen to have a network disconnection and are no longer able to receive their replies, they won't know.
17:08:49 <Mic1> "Why didn't you answer my messages yesterday, I saw you were online..." ;)
17:09:12 <clokep> Yeah, I can to. I used to do it occasionally. . .but haven't felt the need to in a long long time.
17:09:13 <flo> "why did you talk to me while I was busy?" ;)
17:09:18 <clokep> Maybe people just don't IM me anymore? ;)
17:11:51 <HU-Man> ok thanks guys. i'm off (for real :P)
17:11:57 <-- HU-Man has left #instantbird (Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is)
17:12:40 <clokep> Btw someone said something about popping up in the Twitter timeline when you get new followers, etc. Do we get that information?
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17:16:14 <Mic1> I got really used to see Instantbird without the menubar.
17:16:54 <flo> I should really stop using Instantbird 1.0
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17:17:09 <flo> It's extremely confusing to have 3 instances of Instantbird with the same icon in the Command+Tab menu :(
17:17:44 <flo> clokep: we should display a system message, shouldn't we?
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17:19:35 * flo is in the final steps of turning on major updates between 0.2 and 0.3, and will be happy to say goodbye to Instantbird 0.2 after that :)
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17:19:46 <flo> err, 0.2 and 1.0
17:20:21 <flo> that works awesomely well :)
17:20:41 <flo> I'll just try it again with the en-US version to make a screenshot taht I can post on the blog
17:25:39 <flo> how does this feel? http://queze.net/goinfre/major-update-1.0.png
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17:27:13 <Mic1> Seems good, what about a tiny bit of extra space between the logo and the box at the bottom?
17:27:16 <Mic1> gtg
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17:28:03 <flo> No :)
17:28:19 <flo> It's too late to edit CSS on a thing people will see only for a second or two
17:28:36 <flo> I've changed the link to point to http://www.instantbird.com/release-notes.html (it used to point to features.html)
17:28:43 <flo> seeing what's new seems better
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17:38:36 <clokep> flo: Yes if we know!
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17:39:28 <flo> No idea of what clokep meant :-S
17:43:18 <Utkarsh> if there's a syntax error in my addon, where can I expect error messages to show up?
17:43:51 <flo> by the way, another interesting point of having decided to get a new server is that our disk space concerns about storing the old nightly builds (currently taking alomst half of the previous disk of 200GB) will disappear (2TB on the new server).
17:43:58 <flo> Utkarsh: in the error console
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17:51:54 <flo> I'm driving home (offline at least an hour). I'll post on the blog this evening to announce that hte addons website is back and that we turned on major updates + say something about the feedback we have received
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18:05:25 <deOmega> I am pleased to see your server back up  guys. 
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18:07:20 <Alejanjim> Ehmm Bugzilla is too ugly so... can I tell to you my requests here?
18:09:27 <deOmega> flo:  Would you give thoughts in the blog to remind the folks who are expecting this and that to be in the core or whatever,  that  part of the goal of IB (I hope) is to allow users to make it their own in whichever way they choose, with the openness of Firefox?  
18:10:48 <deOmega> Alejanjim: If you need help with filing the bug,  you can lay out your request and if no one answers i would file it for you.(Assuming I understand).  BUt the bugs route is a pretty effective way, though it helps to throw out your thoughts here.  (I am a casual visitor here)
18:14:48 <Alejanjim> deOmega: I'm just thinking why Instantbird don't have: 1. More body status like Away or Invisible. 2. Personalized emoticons.
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18:17:10 <Alejanjim> deOmega: And I think that user's icon just works well in Facebook protocol 'couse on msn don't works.
18:18:15 <deOmega> i do not understand the user icon aspect
18:19:39 <Alejanjim> User icons == display photo.
18:20:02 <deOmega> would you like to see your buddy icons in messages? (That is implemented already)   woudl you like to  customize your  own icon? (That also works).. or would you like to  change your buddy's icon?
18:20:34 <deOmega> the latter i do not think is implemented as yet
18:21:19 <Alejanjim> The problem is that user icon works sometimes. I think is by msn protocol (15, 16, 17...)
18:22:15 <deOmega> ok, one last question, are you referring to  in messages or  on the buddy list?.. or both?
18:22:35 <DGMurdockIII> do you mean the buddy icon
18:22:35 <Alejanjim> Both.
18:23:00 <Alejanjim> In the instant bird appears as user icon. :P
18:23:10 <deOmega> ah.   
18:23:21 <DGMurdockIII> can you take a screenshot of the user icon for us so we now what your talking about
18:23:23 <deOmega> I think i may have seen what you aretalking about.
18:23:38 <deOmega> the icon showing sometimes
18:24:04 <Alejanjim> Ok, brb in a while.
18:24:09 <DGMurdockIII> so your saying buddy icon only half works
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18:25:53 <deOmega> DGMurdockIII:  I believe i know what he is speaking of indeed.. because i have made the assumption many times that   others have removed their icon over msn... so  hopefully this is what he is talking about so i could file a bug for that.  Can you verify on yours?
18:26:46 <DGMurdockIII> you mean they removed the icon on when using msn client
18:26:55 <DGMurdockIII> i'll check
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18:27:22 <DGMurdockIII> but not sure what to look for
18:27:36 <deOmega> if you are connected to  msn using  IB... hover over your buddies names and verify that you can see the icon for each buddy
18:28:00 <deOmega> icon.. picture
18:28:00 <Alejanjim> http://ubuntuone.com/p/12Df/ <-- Here don't works.
18:28:05 <DGMurdockIII> for ever buddy on just msm or all of the buddies i have
18:28:21 <Alejanjim> Actually I don't have contacts with user icon functional.
18:28:58 <Alejanjim> But last night I had 1 or 2.
18:29:09 <DGMurdockIII> 2(deOmega2): i do see this problem some users i see there icon some i dont
18:29:10 <deOmega> ok, we are speaking of teh same thing
18:29:32 <deOmega> right.
18:29:48 <deOmega> Alejanjim: and this is really only on  msn, right?
18:30:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 886 filed by wilfridtaylor@gmail.com.
18:30:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IRC Channels added to buddy list
18:30:27 <Alejanjim> Let me see in others protocols.
18:30:44 <DGMurdockIII> aim, google talk, msn
18:30:50 <DGMurdockIII> are what i see
18:31:03 <DGMurdockIII> that have some missing
18:31:44 <Alejanjim> GTalk and Facebook works well.
18:31:58 <deOmega> wel, the folks i see on the other protocols are the folks i feel do not generally have a picture up... msn is the only one i feel something is odd with.
18:31:58 <Alejanjim> Just on msn I hace problems.
18:33:33 <DGMurdockIII> i would make sure aim and gtalk dont have a problem eather
18:34:24 <Alejanjim> GTalk don't have problems.
18:36:04 <DGMurdockIII> what would it look like if there shold not be a pic on the user becse i have some that im 95% sure have no icon and other im 90% have a icon but not showing up
18:36:51 <DGMurdockIII> can some on send a screen shot of what it look like hovering over a user with a icon but you dont see it
18:38:48 <Alejanjim> http://ubuntuone.com/p/12Df/ <-- This contact has icon but I can see. And for many comments from my contacts they can't see my icon too.
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18:39:27 <DGMurdockIII> people on msn cant
18:39:30 <sebastian> how 2 set up connection 2 identi.ca account?
18:40:16 <DGMurdockIII> 2(deOmega2): ^^ do you now how to set up connection 2 identi.ca account
18:40:28 <deOmega> Alejanjim: can i use that image in the bug?
18:40:52 <deOmega> no, i do not :(
18:41:16 <deOmega> DGMurdockIII: no i do not
18:41:27 <Alejanjim> Sure, don't shows the email so don't care for me. n_n
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18:43:27 <Alejanjim> sebastian: Try search in Google "identi.ca on Pidgin" Basically is the same here.
18:43:37 <sebastian> thx @alejanjim
18:48:25 <deOmega> Alejanjim:  there is abug for it already  bug 708
18:48:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Some buddy icons doesn't show in buddies list (MSN)
18:50:23 <Alejanjim> My Instantbird version is 1.0
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18:59:37 <sander85> hey, anyone here who coordinates translating?
19:03:20 <tymerkaev> instantbot: l10n
19:03:23 <instantbot> tymerkaev: Sorry, I've no idea what 'l10n' might be.
19:03:29 <instantbot> tymerkaev: l10n is Localization (l-10 letters-n). Many different people and groups are planning to localize the Mozilla user interface into their own languages. http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Home_Page
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19:04:15 <tymerkaev> sander85: florian@instantbird.org
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19:06:08 <sander85> tymerkaev: is compare-locales working for instantbird?
19:06:47 <deOmega> sander85: I think flo does or tries to.. but seems like there is a dialog in that regard over here:    http://groups.google.com/group/instantbird-contact
19:07:13 <ecaron> flo put a bunch of information about translations up at https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation - does that help?
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19:08:20 <sander85> ecaron: yeah, i'm reading it, but no word about compare-locales :)
19:09:27 <sander85> ok, here it is: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_a_new_localization_%28Mercurial%29
19:11:15 <ecaron> sander85: this might also be useful - https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation/FAQ
19:13:27 <sander85> ok
19:16:04 <Mic1> Hello!
19:16:33 <Mic1> sander85, into which language do you want to localize Instantbird?
19:18:26 * Mic1 is now known as Mic2
19:18:57 <sander85> Mic1: well, i'll try to overtake estonian, as the current translator told me he has no time and as i'm already translating firefox and thunderbird + coordinating other mozilla translations into estonian then i thought i can take this one as well.. currently it's just such a mess :/
19:21:30 <sander85> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_a_new_localization_%28Mercurial%29#Get_the_locale_files  about l10n-central in locale files ... for estonian we are only translating aurora at the moment, you are still using l10n-central?
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19:23:58 <Mic2> Sorry, I don't know.
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19:32:02 <Mic2> sander85: we were building Instantbird using mozilla-2.0 until now, I guess the l10n has to match that somehow (I'm unfamiliar with this)
19:33:03 <sander85> at least "compare-locales instantbird/instantbird/locales/l10n.ini instantbird et > instantbirdcl" seems to work
19:34:24 <sander85> hmm, well, it doesn't work as well as i would expect.. it also wants me to translate toolkit again
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20:08:56 <igorko> hi
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20:16:13 <igorko> trying to create addon
20:19:00 <igorko> so i will jump in /out lot of times :)
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20:20:09 <igorko> weee - i jus added Hello orld to statusbar :)
20:20:20 <igorko> i need button there
20:24:19 <igorko> loading extension from folder doesn't work for me in FF 5 :(
20:24:27 <igorko> could someone help me?
20:24:53 <igorko> i created sample.txt file in extensions folder and added extension path into it
20:25:04 <igorko> did i right?
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20:25:38 <igorko> (tje same with Instantbird)
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20:29:03 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 887 filed by jahkae@gmail.com.
20:29:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Block Instant Message Spam
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20:32:27 <igorko> heh- that translated manual was not full...
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20:33:30 <igorko> cool- it works
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20:45:28 <DGMurdockIII> cant wate for tourchwood to start back up
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20:47:08 <igorko> does DOM inspector work in Instantbird?
20:47:53 <igorko> hm- seems i can load instantbird page from FF right?
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20:51:21 <TheJJJ> Hi
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20:52:30 <TheJJJ> I try to find the option to configure the hotkey to send messages.  i´m used to use strg+enter, but i can´t find how to set this configuration
20:53:51 <TheJJJ> can´t find any add-on for this and there seems to be nothing about it in the advanced configuration (about:config)
20:54:27 <DGMurdockIII> you mean to change it from being enter
20:54:45 <TheJJJ> yes.  enter = new line,   ctrl+enter = send message
20:55:08 <TheJJJ> found nothing in the bugtracker, faq and wiki
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20:55:39 <TheJJJ> is it hardcoded in the source?
20:56:23 <DGMurdockIII> flo or Mic can probly help you out with this
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20:58:16 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): ^^^
21:00:21 <TheJJJ> should i contact them via direct message, email or bug-tracker?
21:00:46 <DGMurdockIII> here
21:01:03 <DGMurdockIII> you can also file a bug on bugtracker
21:01:05 <flo> TheJJJ: no
21:01:55 <DGMurdockIII> when i said here i did not mean pm i ment in the channel
21:02:15 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): what do you mean no
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21:08:22 <TheJJJ> I think it´s hard coded. i can´t find anything like 'send' 'enter' 'transmit' 'submit' in any text-file inside the application or the profile directories.  is there anything else i could look for?
21:08:38 <flo> DGMurdockIII: I meant the private message was not a good idea
21:08:59 <DGMurdockIII> yeah me to
21:09:26 <flo> TheJJJ: you can most likely create an add-on for it
21:09:45 <flo> it's "hard-coded", but inside javascript code, so it's still possible to change the behavior with an add-on
21:11:15 <TheJJJ> I´m usability- and frontend-guy, no real coder. got no clue about mozilla´s code plattform.
21:11:25 <flo> TheJJJ: the code you are interested in is at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#438 look at like 503
21:11:38 <TheJJJ> ok
21:11:46 <flo> usability is a nice skill too :)
21:11:58 <flo> what do you mean by "frontend"?
21:14:13 <TheJJJ> user interface / interaction designer
21:15:35 <DGMurdockIII> iim not sure if this is what he means by a frountend but you if you know ffmpeg winff is a frontend for it
21:15:47 <TheJJJ> found lines 503 / 507. thats it.  what do i have to do if i changed it the way i want?  do i have to setup an development-environment and compile the app?
21:16:36 <DGMurdockIII> In software architecture there are many layers between the hardware and end user. Each can be spoken of as having a front end and a back end. The front is an abstraction, simplifying the underlying component by providing a user-friendly interface.
21:18:02 <DGMurdockIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_and_back_ends
21:18:15 <TheJJJ> yes. thats a real developer thinking.  from designer-perspective anything not graphical is 'backend' :)
21:18:58 <flo> TheJJJ: I asked because I was used to see "frontend" as a short hand for "frontend developer" = implementing the whole UI. And the JS code we are talking about is definitely the frontend here. ;)
21:20:33 <TheJJJ> yes. i understand this js-code and am able to modify it, but i´m no software developer who can create own code.
21:21:49 <flo> TheJJJ: it's a bit sad that it would take me less time to hack that add-on than to explain how to do it :-/
21:22:20 <TheJJJ> so, what would i have to do with the modifyed conversation.xml to get it into my instandbird? is it easy or does it need developer-knowledge?
21:24:11 <TheJJJ> ok. so i just let it the way it is. hopefully sometime someone else takes care about it. thanks.
21:24:37 <flo> you don't edit that file
21:24:43 <flo> you want to extend it
21:27:26 <flo> so if I understood you correctly, you want to reverse the behavior of the ctrl key when return is pressed?
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21:28:39 <igorko> help someone http://pastie.org/2151950
21:28:57 <TheJJJ> i´m used to get a new line when hitting enter.   ctrl+enter sends the message.  it was this in the original icq and i´m just 'hard-coded' to this. :)
21:29:05 <igorko> putting alert into oncommand works But not from sample.js
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21:32:02 <roflo1> Hi everybody, just wanted to let you know that IB's main page (FAQ link on top) points to 404 page: http://www.instantbird.org/faq.html
21:41:29 <flo> I've seen this on twitter "To send direct messages in Instantbird, simply type d, space, username, space, message, enter." Has anybody tried? Does it work?
21:42:28 <flo> roflo1: the main page is www.instantbird.com not .org
21:42:57 <flo> but thanks for reporting the broken link (someone already reported it (+ 2 more on the same page) yesterday , I know I need to fix them :)
21:43:03 <igorko> flo can you please watch on my paste?
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21:43:18 <flo> igorko: I did. I don't understand your question.
21:43:29 <igorko> function openpan() also doesn't work :(
21:43:47 <igorko> i need to execute function by pressing button
21:43:52 <flo> if lines 1-4 are the content of sample.js
21:43:59 <igorko> <button label="Press Me"
21:44:05 <igorko> YES
21:44:06 <flo> then you need to write oncommand="openpan();"/>
21:44:18 <roflo1> flo: whoops.. wonder when I came up with the other url..
21:44:49 <igorko> flo is openpan : function () right? or i should write function openpan() ?
21:45:00 <flo> oh, no
21:45:12 <flo> you need either function openpan()
21:45:31 <flo> or var sample = { openpane: function{} ... };
21:47:17 <igorko> oncommand="openpan();"/> works :) Which case is more right?
21:47:53 <flo> for mozilla addons they want you to write var sample = { openpane: function{} ... };
21:48:03 <igorko> ok cool
21:49:46 <igorko> oncommand="openpan();"/> doesn't work now :( and "sample.openpan();"/> too
21:50:08 <flo> TheJJJ: I trying to code something for you
21:50:46 <igorko> flo
21:51:26 <TheJJJ> ... yeah!  now I´m curious :)
21:52:22 <igorko> openpane: function{} is wrong... 
21:54:23 <igorko> anyway thanks- first i will make it working and than i'll think about style :)
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22:03:13 <flo> of course it doesn't work at the first try :-|
22:07:52 <igorko> flo from where instantbird gets smiles images?
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22:11:03 <igorko> i need link to currently active smile image
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22:12:42 <flo> igorko: you probably want to look at the code in the preference window used to display the preview of the current theme
22:13:01 <igorko> ok :)
22:13:36 <igorko> and another question- how to comment out code in XUL?
22:13:44 <flo> like in HTML
22:14:10 <igorko> i don't remember :)
22:14:46 <TheJJJ> <!-- comment -->
22:15:07 <igorko> yep- right
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22:28:24 <igorko> could someone help me(again ;))
22:28:52 <igorko> i have added this to panel <richlistbox orient="vertical" id="smileysPreview1"> but it doesn't work
22:29:25 <igorko> and also i need to add data to richlistbox by using smileysPreview1.displayCurrentTheme();
22:29:58 <igorko> how to add data right after adding richlist
22:30:34 <igorko> oh- i missed few lines...
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22:33:18 <aleth> how come the tab complete addon has only 0 weekly downloads? its excellent
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22:33:45 <flo> aleth: the count is updated daily, not in real time
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22:34:23 <aleth> flo: ah, that would explain it
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22:47:40 <igorko> ok - got richlist working. How to fill it after opening
22:48:57 <igorko> Instantbird uses onselect="smileysPreview.displayCurrentTheme();" for menulist but i need when richlist became visible
22:52:15 <igorko> is there such event like becamevisible?
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22:59:30 <igorko> flo how can i fill it? http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8603/infaf.jpg
22:59:58 <igorko> with displayCurrentTheme()
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