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00:02:56 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 00:06:07 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 00:18:16 --> kelopez has joined #instantbird 00:19:10 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 00:19:39 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 00:21:14 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 00:21:20 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: é¨ç·£ä¹) 00:21:55 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 00:22:30 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 00:24:27 <-- aleth has left #instantbird () 00:31:39 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 00:47:12 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 00:49:25 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 00:53:41 <douglaswth> clokep: it seems like the certificate issue I was having is fixed in 1.0 00:54:08 <clokep> douglaswth: That's good! :) Probably the Mozilla certificates were updated? 00:54:24 <-- kelopez has left #instantbird () 00:55:31 --> kelopez has joined #instantbird 00:56:00 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 01:04:16 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 01:11:03 <clokep> Apparently there's a Snarl extension which "captures all default toaster notifications": https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firesnarl/ 01:14:52 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 01:16:33 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 01:26:16 <douglaswth> clokep: hopefully it's just working with one from CAcert.org that I manually imported; I don't think mozilla has decided to support CAcert yet 01:27:15 <clokep> Oh OK! 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I hope this is the right place to ask.. but is there any way to turn off user formatting? I have far too many people who have their IM clients hardcoded to send messages in black text 05:50:27 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 05:54:26 <Mook> try the bit under prefs, content, formattign? 05:54:48 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 05:55:22 <Mook> eww, I've been sending things as 13pt Arial as the default 05:57:41 --> Rubus has joined #instantbird 06:00:13 <geek> ahh, nice :) 06:03:31 --> mailme_gx has joined #instantbird 06:05:48 <mailme_gx> hi guys, when I minimize to tray I can not restore (tried single double and right click), is this a known issue or shall I log a bug? os: slackware, de: xfce 4.4.3 06:09:27 <hicham> how do you minimize to tray ? 06:12:25 <mailme_gx> close button 06:14:18 <hicham> what Instantbird version ? 06:18:05 <mailme_gx> latest 1.0 06:21:03 <mailme_gx> I read an article today and become very interested, I think may others did too. the plugins page is overloaded :s 06:22:16 <mailme_gx> I love mozilla products because it just dld unzip and run :) 06:27:59 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 06:29:46 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 06:35:15 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:39:31 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 06:42:46 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 06:43:22 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 06:44:13 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout) 06:45:06 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 06:45:27 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 06:45:45 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 06:59:51 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-xr [XULRunner 2.0b13pre/20110304030406]) 07:07:14 <-- mailme_gx has left #instantbird () 07:11:11 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 875 filed by PatrickInstalle@P-Installe.be. 07:11:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=875 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Unable to register to multiple Twitter account : 'username incorrect' 07:15:52 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 07:19:31 --> riduidel has joined #instantbird 07:19:59 <riduidel> in InstantBird group chat, how is it possible to invite others to chat ? 07:26:32 <douglaswth> I think /invite works at least 07:27:16 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 07:28:09 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 07:30:31 <riduidel> Will work with jabber conferences ? 07:31:00 <douglaswth> no idea 07:31:24 <riduidel> just tested ... and it do work ! 07:31:28 <riduidel> thanks for advice 07:31:38 <douglaswth> cool 07:31:46 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 07:32:34 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 07:44:23 <Rubus> No support to identi.ca yet ? :-( 07:45:29 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 07:49:53 <riduidel> For identica, they provide a jabber job : http://identi.ca/doc/im 07:50:06 <riduidel> If you have a jabber account, maybe it could do the trick 07:51:03 <riduidel> (besides, this jabber bot seems to provide the same feature set than TwiTalker, which is by the way far more convenient than the Twitter integration, as it provides total twitter control) 08:04:56 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:06:47 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 08:24:29 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:24:29 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:25:31 <flo> hello :) 08:25:49 <hicham> Bonjour Monsieur Florian 08:26:08 <hicham> congrats for the release ! 08:26:29 <flo> FeuerFliege: would you have time to produce a localized french screenshot of http://www.instantbird.com/press/screenshots/1.0-winaero-screenshot-homepage-big.png for me soon if I give you a localized Fake? 08:26:34 <flo> hicham: thanks :) 08:26:44 <flo> douglaswth: your add-on is really great :) 08:28:07 <FeuerFliege> flo: No problem, I am kinda busy but a single screenshot is no problem 08:28:09 <-- hicham has quit (Quit: Ø§ÙØ³ÙØ§Ù Ø¹ÙÙÙÙ ) 08:28:27 <flo> great :) 08:28:53 <flo> I made someone translate the press release in french yesterday, and we are going to try to make a better job at getting french journalists to talk about us 08:32:08 <douglaswth> flo: thanks! I just finished another (input history), but I can't put it on the add-ons site since it is down :( 08:32:38 <flo> yeah, sorry for the inconvenience :( 08:38:19 <FeuerFliege> is there a way to search for addons which are in the sandbox 08:38:21 <FeuerFliege> ? 08:38:43 <flo> without the website, no 08:38:56 <flo> hmm, is the searchbox of the add-on manager still working by the way? 08:39:49 <flo> ah, the searchbox works, but the download fails, that's too bad :( 08:51:25 <douglaswth> if anyone wants to try it out before the addon site is back: http://code.douglasthrift.net/files/instantbird/inputhistory-1.0.xpi it uses ctrl-up and ctrl-down 08:56:48 --> kaze-ib has joined #instantbird 08:58:31 <flo> bug 875 is scary :( 08:58:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=875 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Unable to register to multiple Twitter account : 'username incorrect' 08:58:46 <flo> I haven't tested that case recently :( 09:00:01 <kaze-ib> is there any secret / temporary addon repository? addons.ib.org is over capacity... 09:02:42 <flo> no 09:03:07 <flo> but I can give you a trick to access it anyway if editing the /etc/hosts file is ok for you ;) 09:03:22 <kaze-ib> sounds good :) 09:03:48 <flo> to close the site we just changed the DNS records to point to another server 09:08:07 --> Usul has joined #instantbird 09:08:27 <Usul> Il est om les bugzilla pour instantbird ? flo 09:08:46 <flo> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/ 09:09:05 <Usul> hop c'est partie pour au moins deux bugs 09:09:06 <Usul> :D 09:11:14 <Usul> argh sorry 09:11:18 <Usul> will switch to english 09:11:38 <Usul> I see that Tonnes is here , we should organize a meetup and have a diner/lunch /beer something in nl 09:12:26 <-- kaze-ib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 09:16:24 <flo> our top crasher seems to be a stack overflow when opening the prefwindow on Mac :-S 09:17:16 <flo> + we have a windows-only crash in the SIMPLE protocol plugin 09:17:24 <flo> Windows graphic driver issues 09:17:45 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 876 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 09:17:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=876 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Make it easier to migrate to Instantbird from adium 09:18:19 <Usul> I would have filed orther similar bugs , but I'm unfamiliar with windows multi chat programs 09:18:36 <flo> + some MSN crashes 09:18:51 --> rabbitm has joined #instantbird 09:19:18 <flo> ah, Usul = Ludovic? :) 09:19:25 <Usul> oui :D 09:19:30 <Usul> oups yes 09:19:31 <Usul> sorry 09:20:14 <riduidel> Concerning the migration to InstantBird, it would be great to have an easy pidgin to instantbird migration 09:20:14 <flo> Usul: we definitely want to have a migration wizard at some point 09:20:39 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 09:21:04 <rabbitm> The add-on page is down! 09:21:07 <flo> Usul: it's a lot of work though, as there are lots of different clients to import from 09:21:37 <Usul> flo: I know I thought about creating a meta bug for that 09:21:52 <Usul> but I would have had to create other bugs on platform I'm not familiar with 09:22:00 <flo> rabbitm: hello. It's just gracefully telling you that we have more success than before ;) 09:22:23 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 09:22:28 <rabbitm> flo: you know it was recently featured on Lifehacker? :D 09:22:49 <Usul> riduidel: can you file the bug for pifgin ? 09:22:55 <Usul> I'm going to create a meta 09:23:02 <flo> rabbitm: do you think I've slept for all of the last 48 hours? ;) 09:23:15 <Usul> and the tweet interface isn't practical so I'll file a few bugs there too 09:23:33 <rabbitm> flo: Ahh, well congratulations, regardless! :D 09:23:55 <flo> Usul: you don't necessarily need a bug per client. I think we will write the general import code and then add-ons will be able to add additional components that just add the logic to parse the files of specific clients. And we will include by default the important/correctly written one 09:24:16 <rabbitm> Is there a auto-complete function for IRC in this? Irritating that it isnt TAB by default X( 09:24:34 <flo> Usul: see the dependencies of bug 678 (and maybe mark the new bug as dependent? :)) 09:24:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter UI improvements 09:24:48 <riduidel> flo: Regarding bug management (but I won't try to interfer in InstantBird development), it's always easier for devs to have one bug per task, then parent bugs for managing them globally 09:25:00 <Usul> ok I won't file a meta then :-) 09:25:15 <flo> rabbitm: yes, douglaswth has a great add-on for that. While the add-on site is down, you can get it from http://queze.net/goinfre/tab_complete-1.0-instantbird.xpi 09:25:35 <rabbitm> BRILLIANT 09:25:45 <rabbitm> this is now my default IRC client!! :DD 09:26:05 <Usul> flo: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682 is my request for twitter :-) 09:26:09 <instantbot> Bug 682 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reply to and retweet actions on twitter 09:26:10 <Usul> no need for a new bug 09:26:23 <-- hicham has quit (Quit: Ø§ÙØ³ÙØ§Ù Ø¹ÙÙÙÙ ) 09:26:32 <flo> searching before filing is nice :) 09:26:47 <flo> Usul: if you have good ideas about the UI that we should add for that, maybe add a comment in the bug? 09:27:27 <Usul> I like deomega's idea 09:27:43 <Usul> and the screenshot posted 09:27:45 <Usul> :-) 09:27:48 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:27:48 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:28:21 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:28:27 <Mic> Good morning 09:28:27 <flo> Usul: it's extremely difficult to implement because it would require modifying all the message themes 09:28:47 <rabbitm> flo: assuming that your the mod here, would you be able to guestimate when the add-on site will be back up? also if your going to host a mirror site/links ? 09:28:49 <flo> well, of course we can get away with modifying only the default theme and having the actions in the context menu of tweets for the other themes... 09:28:59 <flo> rabbitm: no 09:29:15 <Usul> flo: and what adium does ? 09:29:18 <flo> totally depends of how many other sites feature us in the next hours 09:29:45 <flo> Usul: I think the embed a link "RT" and "Reply to" link for each tweet 09:29:54 <rabbitm> Thanks for an answer :) 09:29:54 <rabbitm> I'll check everynow and then when its up. 09:29:58 <Usul> that would work for me 09:30:11 <Usul> I think you need the functionality 09:30:15 <flo> rabbitm: you can stay here to see how things go in real time ;) 09:30:17 <Usul> the UI can change over time :-) 09:30:55 <flo> Usul: my primary concern about that feature is the "how we can show in the UI that the tweet will be sent as a reply or a retweet, and how we can let the user cancel that without sending/closing the conversation." point of my first comment on the bug 09:30:57 <Mic> douglaswth: thanks for the input history extension, I already like it! 09:31:07 <rabbitm> flo: your amazing, thank you :3 09:31:35 <rabbitm> I also like the toasts when your highlighted too, verrrrrry nice touch! 09:31:47 <riduidel> flo: Regarding twitter, take a look at both TwiTalker and identica jabber bot, they both provide "meta" commands allowing an uncluttered message pane 09:32:19 <flo> rabbitm: :) 09:34:58 <flo> douglaswth: would you like to turn these add-ons into patches to have these features integrated by default in the next release? 09:35:33 <Usul> rah .... no drag and drop to send files :( 09:36:08 <flo> no file transfer ;) 09:40:38 <-- rabbitm has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 09:40:49 --> rabbitm has joined #instantbird 09:42:50 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 09:44:11 <flo> Usul: until we find a good way to turn it on automatically when there's an Instantbird (or OTR-enabled client) at the other extermity of the communication, I think I would prefer OTR to be in an add-on. 09:44:55 <flo> but I may change my mind of course :) 09:44:57 <Usul> I don't mind. I just want to secure my coms. so for me it's *needed* do you have the bug number handy ? 09:45:10 <Usul> for otr support so I can follow 09:45:14 <Usul> and it's a geek thing 09:45:23 <Usul> so not top on your list I would say 09:45:58 <flo> some people were talking about it in bug 274, but that bug is generaly confusing, so a new bug may be better to actually get things done. 09:46:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Privacy mode 09:46:29 <flo> I think bug 274 was originally for something similar to private browsing in Firefox (= do not let any traces of IM activity on the disk) 09:47:42 <Mic> yes, it was (I filed it as that) 09:48:21 <Usul> ok I'll file a new one for OTR support 09:48:42 <Mic> In my opinion it's the same notion of "Privacy" that Firefox has .. 09:49:07 <flo> Mic: maybe change the sumarry so that it doesn't attract random off-topic comments? :) 09:50:01 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 877 filed by email@example.com. 09:50:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add support for OTR and encrypted chats. 09:50:19 <Usul> flo: whar is trunk based on ? 2.0 09:50:32 <flo> mozilla 2.0 09:50:33 <flo> currently 09:50:46 <flo> will be mozilla 5, 6 or 7 in a few days :) 09:51:13 <flo> I'm not exactly sure of which one we should attempt to work with 09:51:46 <Usul> 6 09:51:51 <Usul> 5 is dead already 09:51:57 <Usul> so either 6 or 7 09:52:04 <Usul> depends when you aim to release :D 09:52:16 <flo> Usul: it is, but some linux distribution may like to have a changeset that's "almost Instantbird 1.0" but builds against 5.0 09:52:28 <-- geek has quit (Ping timeout) 09:52:40 <Usul> true 09:52:49 <Usul> depends on how heavily they use xul runner 09:52:53 <flo> so maybe we should update iteartively 09:53:03 <flo> I don't expect much breakage anyway. 09:53:27 <flo> The only things I'm sure we will have to fix is to remove from our tree my patches that have been upstreamed :) 09:53:33 <Mic> Bah, the software development is moving fast today, they just need to become more agile to keep up with the pace... ahem, /me quits Asa-mode. :P 09:54:05 <flo> Mic: those releases are way too packed! 09:54:12 * flo quits Mic-mode 09:55:34 <rabbitm> flo: sorry to annoy again, but is there a way to organise the user list? 09:55:59 <flo> rabbitm: is there a way to ask that question in a way that isn't completely abstract? 09:56:16 <Mic> I only complain about packed looks of UIs. 09:56:34 <flo> Mic: I know, was just kidding. ("scnr" ;)) 09:56:59 <Mic> ah, I should have known that you knew ;) 09:58:00 <rabbitm> flo: basically organise it in a hierachy type way, eg. Mods then OP, then half-v then voice, etc. ? 09:58:46 <flo> with your first question I thought you were talking about moving contacts from a tag to another, or something like that... 09:58:49 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 09:59:56 <rabbitm> ohhhh, sorry, I can be unintentionally vague sometimes 10:00:59 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 10:01:39 <flo> rabbitm: I think we have a bug on sorting IRC nicks by "status" 10:01:54 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 10:01:54 <rabbitm> Ahh, thats alright then 10:07:58 <douglaswth> flo: sure, I'll put that on my todo list 10:09:07 <flo> douglaswth: of course, a more thorough review will be needed than for the add-on website ;). 10:09:12 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:09:12 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:10:00 <flo> douglaswth: if someday you release a new version of the completion add-on, could you make it so that it doesn't put the suggested completions messages in the logs? 10:10:38 <flo> I don't remember exactly how you add the message to the conversation, but you probably only need to add the "noLog" flag to it (http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/purpleIMessage.idl#80) 10:11:10 <clokep> Theres too many people talking in here now, takes too long to read the log. 10:11:29 <flo> (on twitter) "finally a decent cross platform, cross protocol chat client! given up on digsby launching a macosx version" 10:11:31 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 10:12:07 <Mic> clokep: I've also be worried about the length of the log that I'll need to catch up with this evening. 10:12:20 <flo> clokep: right. If this continues for a long time, we will have to make another room where we would only talk about things that are worth reading for someone catching up with the logs 10:12:29 <Mic> I guess sooner or later we need to get used to the thought that we can't know about everything talked in this chat anymore 10:12:31 <clokep> Or can we hire a secretary? 10:12:42 <clokep> Makes some summaries? :) 10:13:08 <flo> or just decide that everything worth keeping that is discussed needs to have a bug filed? 10:13:13 <douglaswth> flo: I'm using conversation.systemMessage right now 10:13:41 <Mic> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/components/logger.js#394 10:13:50 <Mic> Seems that the logger respects this flag 10:14:24 <flo> Mic: douglaswth is just saying that the systemMessage (crappy) method doesn't have a "flag" parameter: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/imConversations.js#231 10:15:18 <clokep> Someone should fix that and apply it to the /help command too. ;) 10:15:25 <clokep> Oh wait, I guess that'd be me? 10:15:32 <Mic> oh .. 10:15:35 <flo> what did we do for the help command? 10:15:46 <flo> ah, we just called that 10:15:48 <flo> bah... :( 10:15:57 <douglaswth> LOL 10:16:09 <Mic> Who's filing the bug for this? 10:16:11 <flo> clokep: yes, fix that please :) 10:16:40 * clokep is eating breakfast, someone please file the bug and assign to me? 10:17:05 <clokep> And I thought we tested multiple twitter usernames? But maybe not in a while. :-X 10:17:18 <flo> the update pings number is quite low today too 10:17:27 <Mic> Ok, I will. Anything else but "Allow system messages to have the no-log flag"? 10:17:46 <flo> I suspect we are still having confused people left on 0.2 and 0.3pre who click "check for updates" or update by hand. 10:17:57 <flo> I think it's time to turn on automatic updates. Does that seem ok? 10:19:55 <clokep> Mic: Allow system messages to have flags in general probably is the way to go. 10:20:04 <clokep> Yes, auto-updates sound good. 10:20:17 <flo> and corollary question, what's the version number we should use for nightlies? 1.1a1pre 1.1pre (if we decide we are not going to do alpha/beta anymore)? 2.0(a1)pre? 5(or 6 or 7.. whatever mozilla version we decide to use).0(a1)pre? 10:20:26 <clokep> rabbitm: Organizing nicks by status, etc. Ther'es a bug on. 10:20:49 <clokep> 1.1a1pre is my pref. 10:20:59 <flo> it's a conservative bet ;) 10:21:17 <rabbitm> clokep: flo already told me :P But thank you anyway :) 10:21:43 <flo> rabbitm: bug 210 10:21:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nicknames should be sorted by rank on IRC nick list 10:21:52 <Mic> What is the number of the next version you're planning to release? 10:22:01 <flo> that's exactly the question! 10:22:08 <Mic> haha :D 10:22:18 <rabbitm> dohohoho 10:22:43 <Mic> 1.0post until we know that? :P 10:23:04 <flo> I was tempted by 1.0+pre but that really sucks :) 10:23:13 <clokep> But mic 1.0post < 1.0pre in the way it's calculated. ;) 10:23:53 <flo> clokep: we've never released a 1.0pre build anyway 10:24:08 <clokep> Oh right. You've left us on 0.3pre. :( 10:24:33 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 878 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 10:24:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878 enh, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Allow system messages to have flags 10:24:45 <flo> clokep: hence the confusion 10:25:01 <clokep> Yes. 10:25:05 <clokep> 1.0post sounds easy then. ;) 10:25:19 <clokep> Upgrade Mozilla + libpurple on that...then once we start fixing bugs. :P 10:26:04 <flo> what about 1.1 = updade mozilla + libpurple + merge JS-IRC, make IRC awesome, fix the few very crappy bugs we have unknowingly left in 1.0, and release ASAP? 10:26:31 <flo> + we have volunteers for 2 new locales 10:27:59 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 879 filed by email@example.com. 10:28:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=879 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Help command shouldn't write output to the log 10:28:23 <clokep> Sounds like a plan. 10:28:32 <clokep> Or maybe "I love it when a plan comes together." 10:28:40 <Mic> Releasing early sounds good :) 10:29:26 <Mic> That was already the plan for 0.3 anyways, iirc 10:29:36 <flo> clokep: the issue with that plan is that "make IRC awesome" is a bit vague ;) 10:29:48 <flo> Mic: what was the plan for 0.3? 10:29:57 <clokep> No it's not! Let me get the bug for it... 10:30:20 <clokep> Make IRC awesome: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=507&display=web&rankdir=TB 10:30:21 <Mic> Not to take a long time again before releasing it, flo 10:30:35 <flo> we took less than a year 10:30:49 <Mic> clokep: now you're scaring people ;) 10:31:09 <flo> clokep: LOL 10:32:09 <clokep> Tht was my home page for a really long time until Firefox lost my session. :P 10:32:31 <clokep> Motivation. :0 10:32:51 <flo> clokep: most of theses bugs seem almost completely useless to me 10:33:09 <clokep> Some of them are. 10:33:27 <flo> I'll draft a plan for that I mean by make IRC awesome, but it would probably include: 10:33:50 <flo> - have a way to be lurking in lots of channels without having to keep a crapload of tabs open 10:34:04 <flo> - make NickServ stfu! 10:34:21 <flo> - whois on hover in the nicklist sounds useful (one of the rare bugs I like in your list :)) 10:34:34 <flo> - autodetect encoding would be fantastic, but can wait 10:34:45 <clokep> rejoin channels after a disconnect I think 10:34:55 <flo> - have a way to differenciate already read/new messages 10:35:02 <flo> yes 10:35:24 <flo> - do NOT display the away message of the person you are PMing after each of the message you send 10:35:32 <flo> once is enough. 10:36:25 <flo> - completion on the join chat field, based on the list of rooms of the server! :) 10:37:44 <flo> and I would really like to gather feedback on what people in the mozilla community need 10:37:48 <flo> (for IRC) 10:38:00 <flo> we are more likely to attract add-on developers if they actually use Instantbird 10:38:14 <clokep> One thing you'll hear is "nick completion", but we have an add-on now. :) 10:38:25 <flo> oh yeah, integrate that :) 10:39:04 <clokep> Yeah a lot of those bugs in my link before are very much "OH hey, when we have nothing else to do, these could be done or made into an addon, but I'm gonna file these while reading the spec about what COULD be done" :) 10:39:10 <flo> all of that is a significant amount of work 10:39:21 <clokep> I was mostly teasing, just wanted to show the HUGE amount of dependencies all interrelated. 10:39:27 <flo> but it feels like real itches we have had for way too long, so we may have a high motivation to get that done quickly 10:39:36 <clokep> :) 10:39:37 <clokep> Yes. 10:39:48 <clokep> The hiding conversations thing would be pretty awesome. 10:40:01 <flo> I want that so much... 10:40:16 <flo> and not only for IRC! 10:40:50 <flo> oh close to being merge-ready is your JS IRC code? 10:41:17 --> geek has joined #instantbird 10:41:35 <clokep> Haha, well it runs. :) I'm not sure the best way to get other people to try it. 10:41:46 <clokep> It needs a bit of work though. I need to handle CTCP stuff (better). 10:42:11 <flo> "the best way to get other people to try it." set review? on it, then after a few iteration, put it in nightlies :-P 10:42:29 <clokep> I also really need to try a few more networks. :-X 10:43:07 <clokep> If you get a chance sometime soon, can you check out the code in the experiments repo? Maybe after you check out varuna's stuff? ;) 10:43:07 <flo> we need to look for things that pidgin supports and that your code doesn't support yet, so that we don't regress too much when merging that ;) 10:43:27 <flo> yeah, I'll look at varuna's work first 10:43:44 <flo> (and maybe try to see if I can make something out of that SIPE mess before) 10:44:03 <flo> but first, we need to handle/turn on those major updates :) 10:44:04 <clokep> Yes. :) 10:44:08 <flo> and communicate more 10:44:30 <flo> if lifehacker talks about us, others can do it too 10:45:05 <clokep> We should probably post that we took offline AIO. 10:45:38 <flo> http://code.google.com/p/instantbird/downloads/list?can=2&q=&sort=-downloadcount&colspec=Filename%20DownloadCount the download count for some locales looks stupidly low. We can definitely do better. 10:46:14 <flo> sure, we should post that people love us and were hard on our old server :) 10:46:52 <flo> more linux ru downloads than french windows downloads... something is clearly wrong here ;) 10:47:43 <douglaswth> hmm, I don't know what to put in a screenshot for Input History 10:48:27 <flo> douglaswth: sometimes it's very hard to make a screenshot for the best add-ons because when they integrate so well that they need no additional UI, there's nothing to show :-/ 10:48:30 <clokep> Show the same text as was last said in the conversation? 10:48:44 <flo> clokep: yeah, that shoulds like the best thing to do :) 10:48:47 <douglaswth> flo: srsly! 10:49:34 <flo> douglaswth: some of my add-ons never made it out of the sandbox because I've never found what to put on the screenshot :-D 10:50:10 <flo> hmm, I don't remember which one that was, maybe one that is no longer useful :-S 10:51:16 <clokep> It might be colorize? 10:51:52 <flo> possibly :) 10:52:46 <clokep> I need to go for a bit, be back later. 10:52:50 <rabbitm> Is there also a way to put status characters infront of nicks on IRC? In the main chat window, that is 10:53:08 <clokep> I'm assumign you mean like @ and stuff? 10:53:18 <clokep> I forget what they are from the spec... 10:53:25 <clokep> There's no option to do it though. 10:53:43 <-- geek has quit (Ping timeout) 10:53:44 <flo> i suppose an add-on could do that 10:53:44 <-- clokep has left #instantbird () 10:54:07 <flo> that's really not userfriendly as it's just exposing a technical aspect of the protocol. 10:54:09 <Mic> For colorize it's do a split screenshot, showing without and with it applied 10:54:17 <Mic> *I'd 10:56:40 --> FeuerFliege1 has joined #instantbird 10:56:43 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 11:00:49 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 11:01:58 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 11:07:46 <Mic> It seems Instantbird has now hit the japanese part of the web, increasing numbers of tweets in japanese :) 11:13:00 <aleth> yup, this seems to be about instantbird ;) 11:13:03 <aleth> http://hizayamasan.tumblr.com/post/7076890925/im-instantbir 11:20:13 <rabbitm> Yup, it is 11:20:48 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 11:27:15 --> Potato has joined #instantbird 11:27:55 <-- Potato has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.18/20110614230723]) 11:36:59 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 11:37:05 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Even1) 11:37:14 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 11:39:37 <-- rabbitm has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:39:40 --> rabbitm has joined #instantbird 11:39:52 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:39:52 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:41:34 <clokep_work> I agree exposing the status as part of the name is OK maybe, but I dislike using the actual icons. I'd prefer the stars that we have if it were to be done as an add-on. :) 11:43:37 <flo> clokep_work: putting the star/.../whatever that we currently have in the nicklist next to the nick seems ok to me :) 11:45:13 <rabbitm> Text icons are best, imo. actual ico's or images will eat up unnecessary resources 11:45:20 <rabbitm> ...just my 2 cents 11:45:55 <clokep_work> I disagree, but I think we already decided it would need to be an extension anyway, so the author could do whatever they wanted. :-D 11:46:04 <Mic> The icons should be leat of your troubles then, rabbitm 11:46:13 <flo> rabbitm: the "unnecessary resources" here is the resource (our time!) spent talking about pointless "resource usage" concerns 11:46:42 <rabbitm> ah, Im sorry, I didnt mean to be pointless D: 11:47:18 <flo> rabbitm: talking about "resource" shouldn't be vague ;). It should be backed by actual data. 11:48:39 <rabbitm> ram/memory usage, is what I meant by "resources" being used, but as you said, I have no data to back this up. 11:49:03 <Mic> bye 11:49:07 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 11:51:45 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 11:51:54 <clokep_work> flo: I assume you saw the Turkish translation request? I can mark that as read? ;) 11:52:04 <flo> yes 11:52:18 <-- Rubus has left #instantbird () 11:52:36 <Tonnes> did I hear beer? Oh. Usul .. :) 11:52:56 <flo> I'm not sure if we can add new locales now or should wait for the server to have more spare time 11:57:35 <Usul> Tonnes: I just need to organize it :D 11:59:03 <Tonnes> howdy.. sounds like a good idea 12:01:39 <-- micahg has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 12:03:28 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 12:09:31 <FeuerFliege1> flo: Did you made the french Screenshot already? 12:09:47 <flo> FeuerFliege1: I'm working on translating fake 12:10:29 <FeuerFliege1> ah 12:10:45 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 12:11:27 <-- rabbitm has quit (Ping timeout) 12:13:37 <flo> hmm, how come the original fake says "Flo has gone away" when the display name of the contact is "Florian" :( 12:14:44 <flo> FeuerFliege1: do you prefer a new packaged XPI or just the fake.js file? 12:15:25 <FeuerFliege1> xpi is simpler 12:15:32 <FeuerFliege1> for me;) 12:15:45 <flo> it's not that complicated for me 12:16:02 <flo> cp fake ../addons/fake/; cd ../addons/fake; make 12:29:36 <flo> FeuerFliege1: I've just emailed you an XPI file 12:29:56 <flo> you need a french version of 1.0 of course :) 12:31:57 <flo> an unfriendly (stupid?) comment appeared on http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/463571:youve-got-firefox-in-my-pidgin-instantbird-10-launches Someone cares to reply? 12:33:22 <rikki> im thinking about it 12:34:03 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 12:34:19 <rikki> but im not quite sure how to insult them 12:34:28 <clokep_work> My guess is he hasn't tried it either. ;) 12:34:38 <cartman> no need to fuel the flames 12:34:58 <flo> I wonder if I should just post my reply there, as the author doesn't seem to care about updating his post 12:35:36 <flo> (http://pastebin.instantbird.com/842 is what I emailed to the author of the article) 12:35:59 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 12:37:02 <cartman> half-assed review 12:39:33 <clokep_work> That might be worth it flo. 12:40:21 <flo> "Session expired. Please try again later." is what I get when registering an account to be able to comment 12:40:22 <flo> pff 12:40:37 <deOmega> flo: good morning. line 42. for for 12:40:39 --> capibaru has joined #instantbird 12:40:57 <flo> deOmega: hello :) 12:40:59 <flo> good catch 12:41:56 <-- capibaru has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 12:42:54 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 12:45:07 <deOmega> I think that is worth sending indeed. But was wondering for line 51, to add something along the lines of, ' as you also pointed out, a myriad of features already provided by addons (Though the site is currently overloaded), plus the possibilities of what is to come' :) 12:45:12 --> capibaru has joined #instantbird 12:46:37 <deOmega> I think a motto for Thunderbird should be ' have it your way' with a link to the addon site :) 12:46:43 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 12:47:00 <capibaru> Hi, does Instantbird supports Off-the-Record Messaging? Thanks. 12:47:48 <clokep_work> capibaru: No, not yet. We'd love for it to, but haven't implemented it yet! 12:49:35 <capibaru> :-( because Instantbird 1.0 looks very nice and promisingÂ . 12:50:35 <flo> "message added, your post will be reviewed by an administrator" :-| 12:50:48 <flo> capibaru: out of curiosity, are you coming from Adium? 12:50:49 <clokep_work> No one has open commenting anymore. ;) 12:51:04 <flo> clokep_work: glazou still has I think ;) 12:51:21 <flo> FeuerFliege1: have you received my email? :) 12:51:28 <clokep_work> Yeah, but that's a personal blog. :P That's like saying I have open commenting (Well I bet he has a lot more readers...but still.) 12:51:35 <FeuerFliege1> flo: got it 12:51:55 <flo> :) 12:52:02 <capibaru> flo: Both: Pidgin portable with OTR Plugin on Windows and Adium on OS X. 12:52:38 <flo> hmm, how long would it take to make an OTR addon? 12:52:48 <ig0rk0> flo i think you should add language combobox to index page anyway 12:53:49 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 12:54:36 <ig0rk0> i'm using google chrome on another pc and i can't enable autodetection(browser was instelled in russian and os has russian interface) 12:55:02 <ig0rk0> i changed browser interface to ukrainian but it doesn't help :( 12:55:41 <flo> there's probably a preference somewhere for that 12:56:56 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 12:57:45 <ig0rk0> anyway common user will not bother himself with this 12:58:17 <ig0rk0> http://www.reactos.org/ watch this- it has combobox 12:58:19 <flo> http://www.linuxtoday.com/ that article has been picked up and is on the homepage (and largely retweeted) 12:59:25 <clokep_work> :( 13:02:22 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 13:02:34 <ig0rk0> flo and previous Ukrainian translator(i gave him link yesterday) also noticed "you should add combobox for languages because i see eng page" 13:02:57 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 13:03:01 <flo> so you should add /uk/ to the URLs you email to Ukrainian journalists :) 13:03:42 <ig0rk0> i don't email to Ukrainian journalists but ukrainian site will be useless if noone will see it... 13:04:30 <ig0rk0> bbl 13:04:40 <flo> ig0rk0: *you should add /uk/ to the URLs* 13:05:06 <ig0rk0> i know. I'm talking about common users- they will not add it 13:05:29 <ig0rk0> when opening site 13:05:30 <flo> they will just click the link 13:05:42 <ig0rk0> what link? ;) 13:06:07 <ig0rk0> i'm talking about someone who found instantbird in i-net etc 13:06:12 <ig0rk0> not linked by me 13:06:34 <flo> right 13:06:36 <ig0rk0> and it's problem of all locales 13:06:52 <flo> you are relying on people finding us without having heard anything about the project. It doesn't work this way. 13:08:22 <ig0rk0> how about someone who red some article in inet in english language, but he is from Ukraine. Hi will prefer Urainian site after goin to site 13:08:57 <flo> if he read the article in english, he can read our site in english, and will find the "all locales" link to download the uk version of Instantbird 13:09:16 <flo> the localized website is useful only for people who can't read english. 13:09:36 <ig0rk0> crap :( 13:09:50 <ig0rk0> you are too lazy to add that combobox? ;) 13:10:58 <flo> you are annoying me and wasting my time. 13:13:09 <flo> the download counter indicates 9003 13:15:55 <ig0rk0> ok- i fixed my browser :) But anyway...I'm not all users... 13:16:11 <ig0rk0> bbl 13:16:13 <flo> I don't know how these work / how many people go there, but I see lots of HTTP requests coming from http://hckrnews.com/ (we are at the top) and http://news.ycombinator.com/ (10th position) 13:16:53 <flo> ig0rk0: if you really want that box, we can accept patches, but we definitely have more pressing matters for now... 13:17:26 <ig0rk0> ok- i'm not enforce on it 13:17:47 <ig0rk0> i have fixed my browser :) 13:17:53 <cartman> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2713811 13:17:56 <cartman> you are on HN 13:17:59 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 13:18:09 <cartman> with a possibly misleading title 13:18:34 <flo> cartman: we didn't write that title ;) 13:18:39 <cartman> I know 13:30:46 --> Guest has joined #instantbird 13:32:00 <Guest> Hey â I just tried Instantbird and thought I'd let you know of a small spelling mistake; in the list of colours for the Bubbles theme it has "Grey - Ping" where it should be "Grey â PinK" 13:32:07 <Guest> Otherwise, good work, I'm enjoying it so far. 13:32:30 <flo> Guest: Hello. Thanks for reporting! Someone already reported that yesterday and filed a bug on it :) 13:32:47 <Guest> Ah, excellent! Well, continue on! :) 13:32:55 <Guest> It's late here, so, good night. 13:33:03 <-- Guest has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 13:33:37 <clokep_work> Mic going to do another 1 character patch? ;) 13:33:52 <flo> clokep_work: it's a file name :( 13:34:08 <flo> and also stored in the preference if the user selected that variant 13:34:12 <clokep_work> Oh. :( 13:34:31 <flo> and theme variant names are not localizable :( 13:34:51 <flo> it's a part of the adium system that I should really have improved ;) 13:34:52 <-- Even1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:41:01 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 13:46:46 <-- capibaru has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 13:54:53 <flo> "Officially dropping Pidgin for Mozilla's Instantbird - http://www.instantbird.com/ - now if only I was as smooth as this IM client" ahah 13:55:04 <clokep_work> :) 13:59:07 <flo> the "get more info about this update" links in the update dialogs do nothing when clicked. Thanks to the hack we have had to put for twitter/Oauth :( 14:01:44 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:01:47 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 14:05:31 --> Goncyn has joined #instantbird 14:07:53 <flo> should we reply on twitter to things like "Very confused by "instantbird", i didn't find one compelling feature to dump ichat/adium" ? 14:08:14 <Usul> flo : not yet ! 14:08:28 <Usul> I find the veiw better than adium 14:08:37 <Usul> I just regret not ebing able to reply to tweets 14:08:48 <Goncyn> I just walked in off the street, but I think your compelling feature is xulrunner addons, and your addon site is down right now. :) 14:09:09 <clokep_work> Goncyn: Yes, we took it down to save the servers. ;) 14:09:28 <clokep_work> flo: Maybe we should reply, although that one is pretty vague and I'm not sure what I'd say to it... 14:09:50 <flo> I think I would say to read our blog posts 14:10:56 <flo> I wonder if we should reopen the addons website. It hurts us to have it closed (and currently the load is acceptable), but an hour ago the load was high again (when we were on the first page of hacker news) 14:11:22 <flo> hmm, he's talking about adium, maybe I should just show magic copy :-D 14:11:47 * cartman is waiting for the new nigtlies against mozilla-central 14:12:04 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 14:12:12 <clokep_work> flo: We probably should, enough people have come in asking about it. :-/ 14:12:24 <clokep_work> Either that, or put some time into make that simple HTML page you were saying. 14:12:31 <Goncyn> for what it's worth, adium is a lot better than any Windows IM client, so I think you have more of a potential market beating pidgin and digsby on UI than adium 14:13:12 <tymerkaev> hi 14:13:13 <flo> Goncyn: it's really sad that we seem to be attracting people who are already using great IM clients rather than those stuck with crappy ones :( 14:13:37 <cartman> flo: I'll migrate from kopete :P 14:13:47 <clokep_work> Adium looks a lot better and is it a bit more customizable than Pidgin, but I never found it to be the end-all-be-all either. :-/ 14:14:39 <flo> FeuerFliege1: any ETA for that screenshot? 14:14:56 <-- FeuerFliege1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 14:15:25 <cartman> uhm nightlies still say 0.3pre btw 14:15:50 <flo> cartman: we know. I indend to fix that later today 14:16:05 <cartman> flo: and you intend to switch to mozilla-central too? :D 14:16:22 <flo> no 14:16:25 <flo> not the same day :) 14:16:26 <cartman> :( 14:16:30 <cartman> meh! 14:16:31 <cartman> :) 14:17:35 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 14:17:55 <Goncyn> I'll be happy if your client can stay connected to AIM and Google Talk for more than a few hours at a time, improves the chat window a little (scrolling is slightly wonky and I don't like the big buddyicon header at the top), and eventually has cloud log sync like I saw on your roadmap 14:19:48 <flo> Goncyn: if you could file *specific* bug reports of each of the issues you are having, it would help get them fixed 14:20:37 <Goncyn> Err, sorry, that first bit was a complaint about digsby, not a bug I'm experiencing in instantbird. I can file a bug for the scrolling thingy though. 14:21:26 <clokep_work> That'd be helpful! :) 14:22:05 --> capibaru has joined #instantbird 14:22:19 <flo> clokep_work: what do you think about that person offering to help us manage our twitter account? 14:22:54 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 14:22:59 <clokep_work> flo: It could be useful, although...how much does he know about Instantbird / the ideals / what it's features are, etc. etc.? 14:23:03 <clokep_work> Have you seen his name pop up before? 14:23:19 <flo> I don't know him 14:25:19 <clokep_work> Right. 14:26:34 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 14:28:28 <flo> clokep_work: I didn't know you either a year or so ago ;) 14:29:01 <clokep_work> True. :) 14:29:17 <clokep_work> I think it'd be OK, as long as we watch him too. :-D 14:29:36 <flo> how risky is this? We will see what gets posted and we can revoke the access at any moment if it's not ok, can't we? 14:29:48 <clokep_work> Yes, I suppose. 14:29:50 <clokep_work> Idk what CoTweet is btw. 14:29:52 <flo> I think we should ask him to come here to get to know him better 14:29:56 <flo> err 14:30:01 <flo> I meant so that he gets to know us better 14:30:11 <clokep_work> Ask him on a date? ;) 14:30:21 <flo> clokep_work: I suspect it's a twitter webapp that we would authorize through oauth 14:30:42 <clokep_work> Ah OK. :) 14:31:23 <-- cartman has quit (Quit: leaving) 14:31:43 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 14:33:15 <clokep_work> Seems OK then! :) Yeah just ask him to hang out here so if he has questions, etc. 14:34:08 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 14:36:03 <flo> FeuerFliege: the text I'm going to send to French journalists is almost ready 14:36:33 <FeuerFliege> you' ve got mail 14:39:38 <flo> yes, the linux.com author has just replied to my email 14:39:56 <flo> FeuerFliege: and thanks! :) 14:40:23 <FeuerFliege> ok bye 14:40:28 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 14:54:07 --> cartman has joined #instantbird 14:57:53 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 15:18:28 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 15:21:04 <clokep_work> So the linux.com author replied...but the article doesn't seem updated? 15:21:22 <clokep_work> Oh nevermind. 15:21:29 <clokep_work> I guess the wording is changed slightly. 15:21:45 <clokep_work> But I'd argue that's not a totally common feature. ;) And that he's missing the point...that addons let you customize. 15:23:26 <-- riduidel has left #instantbird () 15:31:11 <flo> http://www.golem.de/1106/84615.html 15:32:30 <flo> I haven't read yet, but it seems a translation of our press release 15:32:57 <flo> and is sending us a very fair amount of traffic! 15:35:06 <flo> ok, it's info from the press release + some from the about page + the about-flo (saying I used to be a Mozilla intern) 15:36:17 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 880 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:36:30 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 15:36:30 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.0 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/" 15:36:30 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 15:37:16 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 15:41:13 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 881 filed by email@example.com. 15:41:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, FAQ page not found 15:42:24 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 882 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:42:26 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 15:42:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=882 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, About page not found 15:42:44 <flo> arg! I was sure I had forgotten something while hacking the localizability of that page :( 15:43:18 --> Kissaki has joined #instantbird 15:43:34 <flo> Kissaki: thanks, I'll fix these links as soon as possible! 15:43:48 <Kissaki> bugzilla sucks... 15:43:56 <Kissaki> oh, that was a fast reply :P 15:44:02 <Kissaki> ticket to irc, interesting 15:44:31 <Kissaki> flo, the .org text should also link info on irc / the irc chan, not just say "in IRC" and you don't have an idea where the irc chan actually is 15:44:58 <Kissaki> Also, if .org is the dev site, there should be a promotive notice / main nav point to the main page 15:45:19 <flo> right. 15:45:40 <flo> was there a website linking to it as the main websit? 15:45:45 <Kissaki> no 15:45:56 <Kissaki> I used awesome-bar to check for the website and landed on .org 15:46:06 <Kissaki> ah I think because of addons 15:46:12 <Kissaki> removed subdomain to get on main page 15:46:13 <Kissaki> :) 15:46:29 <Kissaki> which was not the correct main page as I just noticed 15:46:34 <Kissaki> when filing bugs... 15:47:08 <Kissaki> What I really miss on Instantbird is searching through my contact list. E.g., typing and it selects a matchin contact. 15:47:20 <Kissaki> And second, being able to view and copy contact information 15:47:26 <Kissaki> e.g. if I want to copy an accounts address 15:47:30 <flo> do you use that only for starting conversations, or is there other use cases? 15:47:30 <Kissaki> I can't seem to do that 15:47:32 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 15:47:34 <Kissaki> am I missing sth? 15:47:51 <Kissaki> starting and/or getting contact info 15:47:58 <flo> " being able to view and copy contact information" you may want to file an enhencement request for that :) 15:48:22 <Kissaki> thought so, that's why I was opnening the main page in the first place.. .:) 15:48:29 --> Utkarsh has joined #instantbird 15:48:40 <flo> bonus point if you have ideas of which info you would like to copy/be shown, and how the UI could look 15:49:06 <Kissaki> uh oh 15:49:07 <Utkarsh> Is the addons repo down? Any ETA on when it'll be up? 15:49:08 <Kissaki> Mumble Overlay 15:49:09 <Kissaki> haha 15:49:14 <Utkarsh> s/repo/site 15:49:20 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 15:49:22 <Kissaki> yes, it's down/overloaded 15:49:23 <deOmega> hi clokep_work: did you say you enabled the ability to show close button on tabs when hovering? I keep forgetting to say t that i have not been seeing it. 15:49:39 <flo> oh ! pc inpact! 15:49:47 <flo> Even: http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/64412-instantbird-messagerie-multi-protocoles-xul-extensions.htm 15:50:03 <clokep_work> We have a bug about being able to copy out of the tooltip, which I think is what you want. 15:50:12 <deOmega> come to think of it, i do not think it it is visible with the default tabs either 15:50:42 <clokep_work> deOmega: Can you please be more specific. 15:52:02 <deOmega> if you have multiple tabs opened and you want to close one, you have to select it to close it, as opposed to just hovering over it and getting the 'x' that indicates close. 15:52:52 <deOmega> It worked that way before the big upgrade that broke it 15:53:01 <clokep_work> 1. Are you talking about Vertical Tabs or normally? :P 1a. If you're using Vertical Tabs, does this work normally for you? 2. I think it shows up for me, you use a different theme, don't you? 15:53:32 <clokep_work> Kissaki: See bug 525, I think that's what you want. 15:53:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy info is non-interactive 15:54:02 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 15:54:14 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 15:54:40 <deOmega> 1. vertical tabs 2. worked before itw as broken recently (recall when you have to spend time updating it 3. I am using the default theme 15:54:47 <deOmega> shoot, hang on 15:54:48 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 15:56:07 <deOmega> correct, my answers are teh same 15:56:29 <clokep_work> OK, so...it works horizontally and not vertically, yes? I think they show up on hover for me... 15:56:30 <deOmega> hovering over a tab does not invoke the close button 15:56:58 <deOmega> let me restart to verify horizantally again. i am sorry 15:57:35 <deOmega> remember.. the inactive conversation tab.. one should hover over it to get the 'x. so let me check 15:58:09 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 15:58:22 <hunsly> vertical tabs xul? 15:58:23 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 15:58:53 <clokep_work> deOmega: Yes, I remember. But I think it worked when I tried it? Honestly I usually middle click so I wouldn't notice that. :( 15:59:02 <clokep_work> If so I'll have to fix it, can you file a bug in my tracker please? 15:59:14 <clokep_work> hunsly: Yes, I made an extension to move the tabs vertical. 15:59:16 <Kissaki> clokep_work, yes, that mentions what I was talking about 15:59:32 <Utkarsh> if I were to create an addon, which intercepts outgoing messages for some content, and based on that, sends another message automatically, where should I begin? Are there addons that do something similar who's source I could read? 16:00:03 <hunsly> clokep_work: ok 16:01:31 <clokep_work> Utkarsh: Well have you made Mozilla-esque extensions before? 16:01:33 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 16:01:55 <clokep_work> hunsly: I don't have a copy right now, it's at home...and it's on the add-ons site obviously. :P But that's down. I'll put a copy on ym own site tonight. 16:01:56 <flo> Utkarsh: I have the beginning of a pastebin add-on somewhere (don't know exactly where) that may be helpful. 16:02:13 <Utkarsh> clokep_work: not really. I'm just fiddling with some existing addons to learn. 16:02:17 <clokep_work> Kissaki: Alright, add some keywords, etc. to make it easier to find if you want. :) 16:02:28 <Utkarsh> flo: that should be good! 16:05:22 <deOmega> clokep_work: OK.. they do not require hovering with the default horizontal tabs. because the x is always visible.. however, they are not visible on vertical tabs, unless you select the tab. 16:05:49 <deOmega> I am on version 0.3pre (20110630041735) 16:06:38 <clokep_work> Oh. Hmm....maybe I left some code in from 0.2 that I should have removed then. 16:06:45 <clokep_work> I left you a few messages before btw. 16:06:57 <deOmega> ok, let me read, sorry 16:08:32 <aleth> wow, channel getting busier... 16:08:46 <aleth> Have you broken 10k downloads yet? 16:08:47 <hunsly> clokep_work: thanks :) 16:09:13 <clokep_work> If you don't hear from me soon about it, feel free to ping me again when I'm clokep (minus the _work ;)) 16:09:56 <deOmega> clokep_work: thanks you. 16:10:08 <deOmega> where do i file this bug? 16:11:40 <-- cartman has quit (Ping timeout) 16:12:13 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 16:13:02 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 883 filed by email@example.com. 16:13:03 --> cartman has joined #instantbird 16:13:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, scrolling conversation content inches upward 16:13:28 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 16:13:33 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: I must go. Good bye!) 16:14:20 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 16:14:22 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 16:14:24 <clokep_work> flo: Aha, a bug about Time Bubbles. 16:14:37 <clokep_work> deOmega: http://code.google.com/p/vertical-tabs I think 16:14:46 <clokep_work> Yes, that's it. :) 16:14:56 <clokep_work> If you don't have a google account, you can just email me too and I'll file it later. 16:15:24 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:16:07 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 16:16:19 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 16:17:07 <flo> aleth: yes! 16:18:37 <-- capibaru has left #instantbird () 16:19:30 <deOmega> hi clokep, will do, thanks 16:19:50 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 16:22:28 <clokep_work> Goncyn: What would be your response if I said that wasn't a bug? ;) 16:23:03 <Goncyn> I would say that it's distracting because the UI moves without the information in it changing 16:23:18 <clokep_work> Goncyn: Please read http://blog.instantbird.org/a42-introducing-time-bubbles.html 16:24:46 <clokep_work> The old theme is available somewhere that doesn't do this... 16:25:16 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 16:25:48 <Goncyn> Ok. I read that, mostly, and I actually agree and like the feature, but I still think that those first few seconds of the content moving a few pixels is too distracting. 16:26:00 <clokep_work> Fair enough. 16:26:25 <clokep_work> It can be a bit, it takes some getting used to, but I'm not sure if there's a better solution. 16:27:45 <Goncyn> I would like it just fine if it did not update the gap until something else happened -- another message arrives or it crosses the threshhold where it displays the "X minutes" line 16:27:52 <clokep_work> Anyway, if you find it very distracting, the old timeless Bubbles theme is on the add-ons site once that comes back up. :) 16:28:49 <Goncyn> perhaps I will get used to it :) 16:30:22 <clokep_work> I would suggest trying it for a bit! I found it very distracting initially when testing it out for flo, but eventually I came to like it. 16:31:27 <aleth> Maybe if the extra space is kept hidden if it is at the end of the conversation, bumping against the input box? (And then appears the way it is now after a couple of minutes, or as the conversation continues). 16:31:55 <aleth> That way you would have the fantastic visualization in the conversation but no microscrolls 16:32:36 <Goncyn> yah 16:36:00 <deOmega> did you design the steps for reporting an issue (Questionnaire) in that Google thingy clokep, or is that a default setup? 16:36:35 <clokep_work> deOmega: It's most likely the default, I might have tweaked it a bit, I don't remember. Is it confusing? 16:37:21 <deOmega> no, it is extremely good. 16:37:57 <deOmega> leaves no room for ambiguity or confusion 16:39:01 <deOmega> It is subtle handholding :) 16:39:11 <flo> clokep_work: so was that linux article fixed or not? 16:39:25 <flo> (I'm currently replying to the author's email) 16:41:40 <flo> apparently no 16:41:46 <flo> I'm adding this at the end of my reply: I would like if you could please rephrase or remove this sentence from your article as it's factually incorrect: 16:41:46 <flo> "Take, for example, notification of Nick use in IRC. Most clients are configured to notify users when their nick is used in conversation or at least make it easy to configure this. That's not a feature Instantbird comes with by default." 16:42:31 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 16:45:55 <deOmega> where is the site flo? I would just register and post the the clarification in the comments area. I suppose that one should not empower the careless. 16:46:20 <flo> deOmega: I already did that 16:46:27 <deOmega> ok. great 16:46:32 <flo> and my comment hasn't been validated but he replied (kindly) to my email 16:47:04 <flo> so I'm replying on the points he makes, and I think I'll remind him to update the article 16:47:44 <deOmega> ok, that is awesome that he is reasonable. 16:48:45 <flo> and he said without kidding that we should patent Time Bubbles :-D 16:49:14 <deOmega> will you do a blog post notifying when the addons site is up and running? 16:49:21 <flo> probably 16:49:25 <flo> and that will kill it again :-D 16:50:09 <deOmega> is it possible to move some of the popular addons to another location? 16:50:12 <aleth> Yes, time bubbles is great design :) 16:50:17 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 16:51:14 <aleth> In the reviews I have seen, it's kind of amazing/sad how little design issues are remarked upon 16:51:26 <deOmega> I am sure you guys spoke of that, but i did not see and believe i have seen something done llike that before 16:52:04 <flo> aleth: all they care about is "memory" and "why not use Pidgin?" 16:52:48 <flo> deOmega: I don't understand your last sentence :( 16:53:36 <deOmega> folks putting up requested items on other sites, if the parent site is down 16:53:58 <deOmega> The wole idea of doing that is to tease and keep interest 16:54:50 <deOmega> I have a number of them downloaded to my computer :) 16:55:06 <aleth> flo: this is why so many IT reviewers were surprised when Apple got successful... 16:55:15 <Goncyn> design is important to me! that's why I'm here complaining about things ;). In a program that I use all day every day, the little things are really important. 16:55:36 <clokep_work> deOmega: Do you have Vertical Tabs 1.0 downloaded? If so can you please email it to me? 16:55:48 <deOmega> sure 16:55:57 <deOmega> i have 26 items 16:56:16 <flo> clokep_work: get it from the addons website 16:56:22 <flo> I'll give you a "private" address that works 16:56:22 <deOmega> I can upload to google documents and share them, no? 16:56:38 <clokep_work> deOmega: Ah, nevermind if flo can give me that. :) 16:56:53 <deOmega> flo: So i am not good enough? jk 16:57:55 <deOmega> meant.. mine not good enough 17:00:14 <clokep_work> hunsly or anyone else looking for Vertical Tabs: http://code.google.com/p/vertical-tabs/downloads/detail?name=vertical_tabs-0.4-instantbird.xpi&can=2&q= 17:01:25 <deOmega> these are what i have on my computer. http://i51.tinypic.com/24o9b1g.jpg 17:02:11 <Kissaki> clokep_work, keywords? I can only comment on the ticket. 17:03:24 <clokep_work> Kissaki: Right, but search searches through comments too I think? I meant more of if the title is very misleading though. 17:03:50 <flo> deOmega: are you treasuring them? :) 17:04:29 <deOmega> haha 17:05:35 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 17:05:43 <deOmega> ok.. for the curious.... how about a page showing something like these.. to give teh curious an idea of what is on the addons site? just tossing out an idea.. hang on 17:06:42 --> jjMacias has joined #instantbird 17:06:51 <jjMacias> noob here 17:07:02 <flo> hmm, I wonder if we could produce a low-resources version of the site by using a crawler do "download" a static version of each page 17:07:09 <flo> *to 17:07:12 <jjMacias> how can i change my nickname for an IRC channel in instantbird 17:07:36 <flo> of course adding comments and searching wouldn't work :-/ 17:08:03 <deOmega> like this http://i52.tinypic.com/2f0c01i.jpg 17:09:02 <clokep_work> jjMacias: /nick <new nickname> 17:09:13 <flo> oh, you were using an rss feed, 17:09:15 <flo> ? 17:09:26 <deOmega> yes 17:09:27 <clokep_work> It's the Google Code download page I think. ;) 17:09:31 <clokep_work> Oh, maybe not. 17:10:04 <deOmega> incidentally, they are all still visible on the google page.. just cannot access them 17:10:21 <jjMacias> clokep_work: where is it that i type that command? 17:10:39 <flo> jjMacias: in the conversation 17:10:43 <clokep_work> jjMacias: The input box. That will just change your nick for the current session though. 17:10:55 <clokep_work> If you want to change your nick always you need to make a new account, I believe. 17:13:08 <jjMacias> clokep_work: many thanks!!! 17:14:12 <clokep_work> jjMacias: You're welcome. :) 17:14:37 <-- jjMacias has left #instantbird () 17:18:08 <flo> I like it that when I make a typo Google can now correct to "Instantbird" 17:18:17 <flo> it used to suggest "instantburn" when typing instantbird correctly :-D 17:18:56 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 17:18:58 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 17:24:24 <deOmega> What is life if we do not have something to complain about? 17:24:46 <deOmega> I want digsby for mac... and i want Adium for windows. lol 17:25:02 <deOmega> Grass is always greener on the other side 17:25:27 <deOmega> Until one gets there 17:25:47 <flo> deOmega: those are probably people who already like one side but have a second machine on the other side ;) 17:27:25 <deOmega> "Yeah, their website was clearly not ready for this. I really wanna try it out too! " 17:28:05 <deOmega> just have to make sure he does not forget :) 17:28:47 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 17:30:23 <flo> hehe 17:30:30 <flo> are you reading the lifehacker comments? 17:30:49 <deOmega> yes 17:31:37 <deOmega> on one hand.. the addons site being down could be both a blessing and a curse. 17:31:55 <deOmega> blessing part: slows down rushed judgement 17:32:19 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:32:23 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 17:32:26 <deOmega> curse part: people may simply forget. after trying a few times 17:32:54 <deOmega> however, i would say it is now on the radar, so product improvement will only increase momentum 17:33:02 <aleth> '"Instantbird" - sounds like the name of a speed dating event.' 17:33:05 <aleth> ;) 17:34:20 <flo> oh, that guy to whom I replied once on twitter who is now tweeting in chineese that Instantbird's twitter support is @fqueze :( 17:34:28 <deOmega> so i must say, i have been somewhat concerned over the length of time the addons or a glimpse of what can be found there, will be unavailable. (Needed to state that) 17:34:58 <flo> deOmega: we can just reopen it if we want 17:35:06 <aleth> flo: the face of instantbird... 17:35:13 <flo> the problem is... what's going to happen if we get slashdoted while I'm asleep? 17:36:12 <aleth> and a small selection of add-ons doesn't give the right impression of the add-on system either 17:36:31 <deOmega> aleth: true 17:37:09 <deOmega> flo: I understand. can it be throttled.. say, allow a max amount of requests? (i have no idea on these things) 17:37:41 <flo> deOmega: what's the experience for someone who finally enters the website and has his next request refused because of the overload? 17:37:59 <deOmega> ok 17:38:05 --> Alejanjim has joined #instantbird 17:38:43 <Alejanjim> Anybody knows why addons site don't working? 17:41:41 <deOmega> Alejanjim: Demand is too high on the system at the moment 17:42:57 <Alejanjim> Thank you @deOmega n_n 17:43:15 <deOmega> Alejanjim: no problem 17:43:36 <clokep_work> flo: IF you're asleep give me a big red button! :) 17:44:23 <clokep_work> So many new people, I can't remember who said things. :-/ 17:44:32 <flo> clokep_work: I have no idea either :) 17:44:33 <Alejanjim> Where can I request a feature? 17:44:59 <flo> Alejanjim: if you need to discuss it, here. If you already have clear ideas, bugzilla 17:45:13 <clokep_work> (But please search first! :)) 17:46:21 <Alejanjim> Ok, I go to bugzilla first. Sorry n_n 17:50:28 <flo> is it possible to use the same twitter account from the same application but on different machines? 17:50:36 <flo> (at the same time) 17:51:02 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 17:51:46 <clokep_work> flo: I think so, but I don't think I've ever tried. 17:59:37 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 17:59:46 <flo> ecaron: welcome! :) 18:01:09 --> kelopez has joined #instantbird 18:04:40 <flo> ecaron: so, I've just replied to your email :) 18:06:46 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:08:25 <Goncyn> I really like how the status changes collapse. I was sick of coming home to a digsby convo window and scrolling up past "now available... now away... now available..." in every tab 18:08:40 <flo> :) 18:09:00 <flo> ecaron: does this suggestion (giving the OAuth token) look good? 18:09:45 <ecaron> flo: Looks fine to me, I didn't know I could do that in instantbird 18:10:05 <flo> I didn't know either before reading your email ;) 18:10:49 <ecaron> Somebody still needs to put some nice polish on the Twitter page, though. Probably some lists too just to show its alive. 18:10:53 <flo> but you know, I wrote that twitter code, so finding how we can make it do things that it wasn't really designed for is something I can do :) 18:11:35 <clokep_work> Aren't you just grabbing the preference value? :P 18:11:41 <flo> clokep_work: exactly :) 18:11:44 <flo> there's no UI for that :) 18:12:05 <clokep_work> You don't want to add an "export credentials" button? ;) 18:12:06 <flo> and I don't think twitter exactly expects us to use the token as something to give to people ;) 18:12:30 <flo> clokep_work: you can make an add-on if you want :) 18:12:45 <flo> ecaron: would you like to start now? 18:14:15 <ecaron> flo: I'm kicking around what to do with the background, the logo & color scheme are all beautifully done:) 18:15:27 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 18:15:41 <flo> ecaron: create a twitter account named "instantbird" 18:15:48 <ecaron> BTW, should Quentin be claiming credit for the design work in the faq? 18:15:59 <flo> Quentin Castier? 18:16:33 <flo> he's no longer really working with us, unfortunately :( 18:16:36 <ecaron> Didn't he do the design, or did I take "pixel fighter" too liberally? 18:17:00 <flo> he made the instantbird 0.1 and 0.2 websites 18:17:19 <flo> created the logo 18:17:22 <flo> found the name (I think) 18:17:49 <ecaron> Ah, alright. I was just guessing from the about page, doesn't really matter though. 18:17:52 <flo> created the default messages themes (except the "Time Bubbles" feature which was my pet stuff) and most the icons the application uses 18:18:33 <flo> do you have the twitter account ready? 18:18:56 <flo> when the OAuth dialog pops up, just close it 18:20:27 <ecaron> Alright, done done and done 18:20:43 <-- Alejanjim has left #instantbird () 18:20:50 <ecaron> (Yes, I've done Twitter for myself, I'm kind of afraid your next step is going to have me editing sqlite files :-) 18:20:52 <flo> then go to about:config (the "advanced configuration editor in the advanced tab of the pref window) 18:22:20 <flo> there, type "account" in the filter searchbox 18:22:22 <ecaron> alright, i'm good, if you want to msg me the oauth i'm ready for it 18:22:35 <flo> find the account number of the instantbird twitter account 18:22:45 <flo> and create a string pref named messenger.account.account<number>.options.oauth 18:22:59 <flo> and I /msg'd you the value you need to put for this pref. 18:24:22 <flo> does this work? 18:24:41 <ecaron> any chance i'd have to start the client? 18:25:04 <flo> what do you mean? 18:25:27 <ecaron> nevermind, everything is working great!!! 18:25:51 <flo> tweet something to see how it goes? ;) 18:27:13 <ecaron> flo: Mission accomplished - http://twitter.com/#!/instantbird/status/86500960381308929 18:28:06 <flo> cool. "use this power wisely my son" ;). 18:28:34 <clokep_work> You think you're Gerv now? 18:28:43 <clokep_work> (Hopefully I'm not confusing my Mozillians...) 18:28:50 <flo> I need to go away get dinner. I'll be back in an hour or so. 18:28:57 <flo> clokep_work: Gerv doesn't put the quotes ;) 18:32:17 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:33:13 <clokep_work> ecaron: Maybe you can upload the icon too? :) (Not sure if you said that earlier.) 18:34:17 <ecaron> clokep_work: I've love to upload the icon and set a background & color scheme, but I can't do that with only the oauth code. Somebody feel like changing the password for a bit so I can login and do the changes? (Also, anyone have paths to the original artwork?) 18:35:47 <clokep_work> ecaron: Oh, der. I forgot about that. :-D 18:35:53 <ecaron> Any idea why the add-ons server is down? 18:36:12 <clokep_work> flo is the only one with the password (and maybe Even). The original artwork is in the repo/on the website somewhere. 18:36:30 <clokep_work> We took the add-ons server down because there was too much traffic. 18:36:34 <clokep_work> The server couldn't handle it. 18:37:10 <ecaron> Bandwidth or CPU? (I'm just asking because the question is popping up on twitter) 18:38:18 <clokep_work> CPU 18:39:39 <ecaron> If I can help with that at all, I'd be happy to. I've g2g, but I'll be back soon 18:43:45 <clokep_work> Thanks for the help! :) 18:49:15 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 18:52:20 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:05:05 --> mib_0noi7r has joined #instantbird 19:05:49 <-- mib_0noi7r has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:06:59 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 19:07:25 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 19:09:54 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 19:10:31 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 19:11:23 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 19:15:13 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 19:26:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:26:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:26:23 <Mic> Hi! 19:26:52 <Mic> I've spent twenty minutes reading the logs already .. and I'm only halfway through :D 19:27:34 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 19:31:58 <Mic> How funny can it be to make fun about my one-character patches. 19:32:33 <deOmega> wait, so does bubbles hide the status changes? 19:32:48 <deOmega> or collapses them? 19:33:03 <Mic> It does automatically. 19:33:05 <Mic> gtg 19:33:12 <clokep_work> It collapses them. 19:33:20 <deOmega> if so, then that should be auto for all styles 19:33:32 <deOmega> that should be a core... darn good idea 19:34:54 <deOmega> one should really only care about the most recent status... i see no value in seeing offline, online, away, available to scroll through .. like i do now with the other styles 19:35:30 * deOmega starting to feel like his selection of message styles are absolutely lacking 19:36:27 <clokep_work> Don't you use Simple? 19:36:31 <clokep_work> Simple is meant to not have any features. 19:38:04 <deOmega> no, i use smooth operator (Because i am one), satin (because i am lol) and Metal Chat 19:40:14 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 19:40:17 <flo> deOmega: Bubbles is the really featureful theme ;) 19:40:56 <deOmega> is that the theme all the cool guys use? If so, i need to switch :) 19:44:17 <deOmega> I like all that it does.. on reading up about it. I just would like to get rid of the pointers and have icons.. (I am a bit mental) things that are not aligned proportionately, kill me. May be impossible to explain. 19:45:12 <-- kelopez has left #instantbird () 19:48:15 <flo> ecaron: so you are in the US? (wondering about the timezone :)) 19:49:38 <ecaron> flo: Yes, I'm UTC+6 19:49:51 <ecaron> wait, maybe -6. Yes, -6. 19:50:09 <flo> with your name I first though you may be French :-| 19:50:42 <clokep_work> I was going to say that +6 is certainly not the US. ;) 19:51:06 <clokep_work> We have French people in the US you know flo. :p 19:51:16 <clokep_work> Or of French descent at least... 19:51:40 <flo> clokep_work: yeah, I know. vicnet is French and lives in the US. 19:51:46 <clokep_work> I'll be away for the weekend by the way, I don't know how much I'll be on -- holiday here. 19:51:52 <flo> but "French descent" doesn't necessarily means "speak French" ;) 19:52:31 <clokep_work> Of course not. :) 19:52:44 <ecaron> I hear that alot, but so far if there is french in the bloodline nobody has been able to find it. Though it would explain the affinity for good wine... 19:52:59 <flo> ahah 19:53:51 <ecaron> flo: Did you catch the questions earlier about access to the artwork and how to respond to questions about the addon server? 19:54:13 <Goncyn> does anyone have the link to that vertical tabs extension xpi? I am feeling the need for it 19:54:17 <flo> only idechix had the original artwork files. 19:54:28 <flo> he emailed that to me recently. 19:54:33 <ecaron> (BTW, my background is full stack for ~13 years, and a couple firefox addons like FontFinder) 19:54:49 <ecaron> Is the artwork GPL-able? 19:54:54 <Goncyn> nevermind I think I found it in the irc history 19:54:59 <flo> not sure. 19:55:14 <Goncyn> or not 19:55:16 <flo> We have a trademark on the logo/name 19:55:25 <Goncyn> wait wait yes success 19:56:15 <flo> I'm not completely sure of how one can/should enforce a trademark in the context of an open source product 19:56:21 <ecaron> If people say "I want to help, tell me how", what would you say the top 5 tasks are that none of the core devs want to do? 19:56:53 <clokep_work> Do you mean from a coding point of view or a "I'm not a developer" point of view? 19:56:55 <ecaron> My understanding was the trademark on open source is essentially just protection against people introducing competing commercial products under the same name. 19:57:18 <ecaron> clokep_work: I suppose both, take it in whatever direction you'd like. 19:57:24 <flo> the task for which I've wanted help for months is coordinating the localization efforts 19:57:50 <flo> welcoming each new translator, explaining the same things over and over again to get him/her started 19:57:56 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 19:58:00 <clokep_work> Anything in bugzilla. ;) We do have flags (not sure how used they are) for "good first bugs" and such. 19:58:11 <clokep_work> Goncyn: Glad you found it, let me know if you have any issues. 19:58:45 <flo> ecaron: we trademarked the logo/name to be in a position to sue someone using a logo with a different software (of the same but with bundled malwares) 19:58:51 <flo> *or the same 19:59:03 <flo> I'm not sure we can do that if we GPL it. 19:59:32 <Goncyn> it works but could use some visual refinement. would be nice if the tabs connected smoothly with the convo pane instead of rendering the splitter bar in between 19:59:40 <clokep_work> Is there really any advantage to GPLing it too? 20:00:04 <flo> clokep_work: the other way to ask the question is: can we really avoid it when it's included in a GPL product? 20:00:10 <clokep_work> Goncyn: Yes, I know. I needed to get it done before 1.0 was released, so I got it looking "decent" (how it is now) and released, I was having a lot of trouble doing that. 20:00:26 <clokep_work> We'll end up with iceweaslebird. 20:00:45 <Goncyn> I would use iceweaselbird 20:01:27 <Goncyn> re: vertical tabs, no worries. it does improve usability with >4 tabs open so problem solved 20:01:35 <clokep_work> ecaron: http://www.instantbird.com/press-images-1.0.html includes some images with the logo though. :) 20:02:24 <ecaron> Artwork could be licensed under Creative Commons then, like Wikipedia. My main thought was putting it in a public place for the art-inclined to have a starting place. 20:02:47 <ecaron> You know what, it doesn't matter, I need to think my thoughts out before I start typing them. I really didn't know what I was getting at. Please ignore me. 20:05:33 <clokep_work> ecaron: For people who aren't programmers but are tech savvy, we could always use more testers and people to actually file bugs, we've broken things in the past and not realized since none of the devs used that feature. :( 20:05:40 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 20:08:14 <ecaron> clokep_work: Do you think a support link as a top-of-page tab would help corral people to either the appropriate wiki page or buzilla? 20:08:58 <clokep_work> There's one for the wiki I believe. 20:09:18 <clokep_work> Ah-ha, I knew we had a page about this: http://www.instantbird.org/#getinvolved :) 20:10:35 <ecaron> Ah, .org, there you are:-) 20:11:02 <flo> douglaswth: have you put a limit on the number of suggestions that can be displayed? I've just hit "tab" when an empty input box and I've got the whole nicklist in the system message. Just imagine doing that in a room with 2000 people :-D 20:11:21 <ecaron> I just thought the "Support" link as a bigger section would help get the non-devs who encounter bugs into a better place to know how/who to tell about them. 20:11:44 <clokep_work> Yeah, perhaps. :) "Suppory" might be a misnomer though. 20:12:01 <clokep_work> s/Suppory/Support/ 20:12:24 <clokep_work> I still want a drop down list like an IDE for tab complete. ;) 20:12:33 * flo wonders if we should make the download counter update more often 20:13:45 <flo> douglaswth: + it would be nice to not mess with the default tab behavior (= change focus) when the textbox is empty 20:15:17 * flo has reopened the addons website for a try. It should be back online in 5 minutes (DNS propagation time) 20:16:43 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:17:02 <clokep_work> Quick everyone tweet the website is back up. :P 20:17:25 <flo> already done :-P 20:18:52 <flo> what I would really like is a way to close it automatically if the load gets too high 20:19:01 <flo> it's sad to have to close it preventively :( 20:19:44 <ecaron> What language runs addons? 20:20:19 <flo> it's a piece of crap made mostly of PHP. 20:20:44 <deOmega> You know...dunno if I readily thought of the need for vertical tabs as a way to handle too many tabs. I like Goncyn ideas. 20:21:57 <ecaron> linkup.com used to run away from me all the time, I ended up switching in Apache to mod_fastcgi_handle and php-fpm and now the server can run away but it never gets out of control 20:22:10 <ecaron> (Taking PHP out of Apache's hands lets you control load average much better) 20:22:42 <deOmega> Anyway, you guys are gonna be super busy it seems and things are really looking to be on track. I will leave you more roof to discuss all of these arising important matters and post bugs when I can. Again, congratulations on the progress. WIll try to say hello when things slow down. 20:22:49 <deOmega> have a fantastic weekend. 20:23:03 <flo> I think the biggest issue with that website is... it's supposed to have a caching mechanism (to now do stupidly large amount of mysql queries for each page load), but we've never succeeded in activating that cache 20:23:26 <flo> deOmega: you are always welcome here :) 20:23:27 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 20:24:17 <flo> is the load getting much higher on the server an indication that I've successfully reopened the addons website? ;) 20:25:32 <ecaron> Is that source public? That's actual the area that I'm best at and I can throw it up on a EC2 server and beat it up before saying "i fixed it" 20:26:13 <flo> ecaron: http://hg.instantbird.org/websites/remora/ 20:26:39 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:26:49 <flo> ecaron: but it needs to have our SSL certificate I'm afraid :( 20:27:06 <ecaron> That's probably a good thing:) 20:27:33 <ecaron> I'm assuming memcache is the caching mechanism with pecl completely available? 20:27:59 <flo> no idea. Even setup all of that (server, website, ...) 20:28:38 <flo> I wonder if we could build quickly a static version to gracefully degrade when the load is too high. 20:29:02 <flo> by "build" I mean generate from the existing website by just downloading the website and mirroring the result 20:29:53 <ecaron> Could even setup something like Varnish would probably take care of that without creating new headaches 20:31:01 <flo> is it trivially easy? 20:31:57 <igorko> does anyone want to port google dict and translate addon? pleasee ;) 20:32:23 <ecaron> flo: Can I put the thoughts together and get it to you in an email tonight? 20:32:29 <flo> bah "load averages: 25.87, 12.09, 6.17 " :( 20:32:39 <ecaron> I'd like to read through the code before I put my mouth before my code. 20:33:02 <flo> you will be really scared if you look at that code 20:33:08 <flo> it's really terrible :( 20:33:13 <ecaron> fear is good for the soul 20:33:27 <ecaron> can you look at the apache log to see if the traffic is all legit? 20:33:50 <flo> what do you mean? 20:34:10 <ecaron> Like where is all the traffic coming from? 20:35:24 <flo> various IPs. The referrer is the addons website itself 20:36:12 <flo> can you access the add-on website correctly? 20:39:48 <ecaron> nope, it won't load for me 20:40:06 <flo> load averages: 67.63, 45.19, 24.87 20:40:07 <flo> :( 20:40:16 <ecaron> (which also means i can load remora or get the source) 20:40:27 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 20:40:47 <ecaron> alright, i got in now! 20:40:49 <flo> right, so it's dead and I could as well close it again 20:42:27 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:44:12 <flo> I'm surprised that it still seems to work (even though extremely slowly) with such a load 20:47:47 <Utkarsh> Where should I look if I want to intercept all outgoing messages in an addon? (specific listeners?) 20:48:28 <flo> Utkarsh: I think we have a bug to add notifications that could be used for that. 20:49:29 <Utkarsh> so there's no way to do that right now? 20:50:20 <flo> there are ways (almost everything is extensible in a XUL application), but not as clean as one could dream them to be 20:53:15 <flo> we should display "<nickname> now follow you." as system messages on the twitter timeline. 20:53:24 <flo> Not sure if we receive that info in the streaming connection 20:55:46 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 20:56:53 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 20:59:10 <-- aleth has left #instantbird () 21:13:41 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 21:19:22 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 21:41:44 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 21:42:00 <Goncyn> hmm, why do I have "Error: You have signed on from another location." on my AIM account even though "Allow multiple simultaneous logins" is checked? 21:42:35 <flo> Goncyn: it needs to be checked at all locations 21:43:19 <Goncyn> I didn't change the defaults at either location, but I can check the setting on the other machine in a few. 21:45:05 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 21:47:29 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 21:47:54 --> bahrico has joined #instantbird 21:50:42 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:50:51 <-- bahrico has left #instantbird () 21:51:25 --> bahrico has joined #instantbird 21:51:37 <flo> bahrico: hello (again) :) 21:52:10 <bahrico> hello :) 21:52:57 <Mathnerd314> so how many times has Instantbird 1.0 been downloaded? 21:53:10 <flo> Mathnerd314: 12434 21:53:22 <flo> (we update the counter only once per hour) 21:53:27 * Mathnerd314 compares with firefox 5 21:53:41 <bahrico> with a buzz from pcinpact ? :D 21:53:48 <flo> Mathnerd314: are you sure it's a fair comparison? 21:53:58 <flo> bahrico: from lifehacker mostly 21:54:05 <bahrico> oh ! nice ! 21:54:10 <Mathnerd314> flo: of course it isn't :p 21:54:23 <flo> it's sad that pcinpact mostly translated the lifehacker article without noticing that it's a french project ;) 21:55:16 <hunsly> Where do I get add-ons? 21:55:59 <bahrico> you can't . overloaded server :p 21:56:04 <flo> hunsly: if you have a specific need we may find you an access to the installable file. If you just want to browse the addons website, I'm afraid you'll have to wait 21:57:42 <hunsly> temporary ftp access? :) 21:57:56 <flo> no 21:58:06 <flo> though we could... maybe 21:58:11 <hunsly> flo: okay :) 21:59:17 <bahrico> flo: can we add a irc channel as contact too ? 22:01:02 <flo> bahrico: no 22:02:33 <bahrico> ok, so if i close my tab i will "loose" this channel until i get a new message ? 22:04:20 --> vebyast has joined #instantbird 22:04:56 <flo> bahrico: for IRC, you will have to join the room again 22:05:16 <flo> bahrico: for twitter, yes, you won't see it again until you get a new message (or restart the application of course) 22:05:28 <flo> and yes, it's defintely a bug (I think we put it in the release notes though :)) 22:06:38 <flo> bah, it takes time to reply to all these comments on pc inpact. But we are lucky that only very few of them are pointless :) 22:08:04 <vebyast> I don't suppose there's a giant FTP with all of the addons, is there? 22:08:38 <vebyast> I don't really need the fancy Mozilla addons site, but I can't even really test IB without checking what kind of addons it has. 22:08:54 <vebyast> You guys have set up an admirably lightweight client. 22:09:10 <flo> vebyast: are you testing it to write an article somewhere? 22:09:17 <vebyast> No, just interested in it for my own use. 22:09:30 <flo> I'm afraid you will have to wait a bit then :-/ 22:09:34 <vebyast> Eh, no problem. 22:09:41 <vebyast> I'll just stick it in the read-me-later list. 22:09:44 <vebyast> Thanks, though! 22:09:51 <flo> vebyast: though we really like that you are interested! :) 22:10:15 <vebyast> :D 22:11:18 <-- Usul has quit (Quit: Usul) 22:11:38 <bahrico> @flo : i see that (pcinpact) :D 22:12:01 <flo> bahrico: I think it's nice for people to see that their comments are actually read and acknowledged 22:15:36 <bahrico> yes, you are right 22:16:50 <flo> bahrico: it takes time but it's also nice to see how people react :) 22:16:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 884 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 22:17:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=884 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The order of the preference tabs doesn't reflect their relative importance 22:17:03 <aleth> someone has put up a extremely detailed install guide for ubuntu http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/06/30/how-to-install-instantbird-on-ubuntu-11-04-10-10/ 22:17:06 <EionRobb> you can't manage a successful IM client by listening and being nice to your users! ;) 22:17:21 <flo> EionRobb: we are not Pidgin 22:17:34 <flo> EionRobb: and listening doesn't mean agreeing. :) 22:17:41 <EionRobb> lol 22:17:43 <flo> but we at least try to understand 22:18:18 <EionRobb> yeah, I'm just kidding :) 22:18:29 <flo> especially when what someone requests is total nonsense, there's often an interesting (and surprising) reason behind it 22:18:33 <aleth> "Finallyâ¦ you can enjoy chatting with Fun!" ;) 22:18:41 <bahrico> @flo, does your bugtracker have a list of latest entries ? 22:19:10 <flo> EionRobb: though I must admit I really don't understand people complaining about the application using 40MB of memory... 22:19:21 <flo> bahrico: it can be queried to show that. 22:19:48 <Mathnerd314> any chance of integration with seamonkey? 22:20:25 <EionRobb> flo: does IB use 40meg of memory? 22:20:39 <flo> apparently for some complaining users yes 22:20:52 <flo> it's always taken more than that for me, but I use around 20 accounts... 22:21:06 <EionRobb> well, that's less than the 60meg that my pidgin is using and 120meg that my skype is using 22:21:10 <bahrico> @flo: i don't know much bugzilla system. Do you have a url for me ? :) 22:21:22 <flo> Mathnerd314: last time I discussed that we KaiRo, he wasn't interested (with the politically correct answer of "an add-on would be welcome") 22:22:47 <aleth> bahrico: use the advanced search, for example https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2011-06-28&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED 22:25:37 <bahrico> @aleth: thank you :) 22:26:34 <flo> apparently identica is a common request 22:26:52 <flo> bahrico: if you want to see all the open bugs, https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=OPEN is easier to type :) 22:28:08 <Mathnerd314> so bugzilla is still up? 22:28:17 <bahrico> @flo: oh thanks ! 22:29:48 <flo> Mathnerd314: bugzilla is up only when the addons website is down 22:30:20 <flo> they are on the same server. And we don't want to not have bugzilla, so we prefer closing the add-ons website (which isn't usable anyway with such a load) 22:31:23 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:33:28 <bahrico> i have to go. bye and good night :) 22:33:34 <-- bahrico has left #instantbird () 22:35:51 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:39:18 <flo> mmkmou: how went the compilation? :) 22:42:42 <flo> sending out press releases really feels like spamming people 22:51:15 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 22:53:30 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 22:58:53 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:05:58 <-- vebyast has quit (Ping timeout) 23:08:22 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 23:17:32 <Utkarsh> how long does it usually take to compile instantbird? (with debug=1 if that makes a difference) 23:18:23 <flo> 5 minutes to 6 hours depending on the OS and the hardware you used 23:20:08 <Utkarsh> hmm, well, it's probably been 2 hours already. 1 gig ram / dual core 2ghz on ubuntu 11. I guess it should complete soon. 23:20:29 <flo> 1GB of ram is small 23:20:38 <flo> dual core doesn't indicate if it's new or not 23:21:08 <flo> it typically takes 15 minutes on my Q9450 (2 years old Core 2 Quad 2.4Ghz) with 8GB of ram. 23:21:32 <Utkarsh> or wait.. it's a vm that's using 50% of my 2.4ghz core 2 quad (q6600), running under windows 7. 23:21:34 <Utkarsh> ah. 23:21:57 <flo> a VM running under windows? bleah :( 23:22:51 <Utkarsh> .. and I had some apps using atleast 400 meg ram opened in the vm before i started compiling 23:23:47 <mmkmou> hi all 23:23:50 <mmkmou> hi flo 23:24:51 <mmkmou> good about 20 minutes 23:27:08 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 23:33:12 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 23:57:57 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout)