#instantbird log on 06 28 2011

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00:00:47 <flo> I think for lots of people 1.0 means "first version" :-S
00:00:59 * hicham is looking in the log for a conversation about the reasons to not use system purple
00:01:42 <flo> good luck :)
00:01:58 <aleth> maybe sell it as "it's ready!"
00:02:37 <aleth> For Windows people, 1.0 definitely is "first official release"
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00:03:38 <deOmega> I am pondering .. dramatically enhanced instantbird 1.0
00:03:41 <aleth> But that's unfair as Instantbird has been tested much more thoroughly than your typical traditional 1.0
00:03:56 <hicham> flo: finally someone is interested in doing the review
00:04:07 <flo> :)
00:04:17 <hicham> flo : but we currently have xulrunner-5, did you test it ?
00:04:19 <flo> can we talk about this tomorrow or later this week?
00:04:25 <flo> oh, no
00:04:45 <hicham> ok, as you like
00:04:51 <hicham> I know it is late in France
00:04:54 <flo> and it's something we need to discuss (how often they are going to updated xulrunner)
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00:27:03 <aleth> good luck for today! :D
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00:35:40 <deOmega> so.. i am thinking that  many will just read or see the first line of teh release
00:36:15 <deOmega> and it should be short and nice as it is.
00:36:52 <deOmega> how about something like this:  The Instantbird team is pleased to announce Instantbird 1.0, released today in 11 locales and polished for full distribution
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00:39:24 <deOmega> or simply:  The Instantbird team is pleased to announce a polished Instantbird 1.0, released today in 11 locales.
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00:41:26 <flo> this last one sounds nice! :)
00:42:10 <deOmega> awesome.
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01:53:01 <deOmega> I made a mistake when saying multiprotocol..  was referring to cross platform.  This should show up in the second line.
01:55:11 <flo> there's "Although Instantbird is fully cross-platform (Windows, Mac OS X, Linux), we strive to present a native look-and-feel to the user interface." already
01:56:27 <deOmega> Instantbird is a cross-platform, extremely easy to use and highly extensible instant messaging client that aims to respect its users!
01:57:42 <deOmega> i saw that  flo, but i think it is mentioned a bit too late
01:58:41 <deOmega> if you make no further changes, it is still great to me, but I had to   clarify what i was aiming at earlier, for whatever it may be worth.
02:00:01 <deOmega> have a great evening.  I have to leave
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02:26:53 <kelopez> hey guys, sup
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02:35:48 <clokep> Goodnight!
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07:06:39 <sunlix> good mornung
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08:21:38 <fqueze_> good morning :-)
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08:30:04 <sunlix> flo, can you tell me when you will release 1.0?
08:30:35 <fqueze_> if things go as expected, 3pm French time today
08:30:58 <fqueze_> if we have unexpected issues, well... as soon as possible after that time ;)
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08:35:38 <sunlix> thanks, germany dont have any time shifts ;-) so 3pm will be right on here ;-)
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08:43:36 <flo> sunlix: who has posted that news already? :-S
08:44:08 <sunlix> whatß
08:44:51 <flo> http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/instantbird-multi-messenger-in-version-1-0-ist-da-totgesagte-leben-laenger where is that coming from?
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08:45:37 <sunlix> oh what? I inform him for alter news in his blog. didnt know about this post.
08:45:45 <sunlix> for later news
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08:52:00 <flo> sunlix: he doesn't seem to understand the word "later" then
08:52:13 <sunlix> i see
08:52:40 <hicham> morning
09:00:05 <hicham> flo : interested in getting IB in fedora repos ?
09:00:24 <flo> sunlix: come on, you twitted publicly the press-release url with the download link in it.
09:00:43 <flo> hicham: of course. But today is release day, so I don't have time now ;)
09:01:27 <hicham> flo : ok, I understand, good luck with the release :)
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09:05:35 <sunlix> i am sry, really. i see its part of my fail. i tweeted this to inform him about the release during this day
09:09:46 <flo> you tweeted it publicly, not to him.
09:10:19 <flo> (I see your tweet in my timeline ;))
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09:22:10 <flo> it seems they are all so eager to talk about it that they don't have time to download it to make their own screenshots
09:31:34 <flo> I think we will release with code.google.com as the default download location
09:31:56 <flo> it has nice URLs that we can redirect to, and unlike sourceforge it doesn't impose ads before the download starts
09:34:48 <flo> and I'm also keeping sourceforge ready but disabled by default, "just in case"
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10:17:05 <clokep> Good morning.
10:17:57 <flo> clokep: hello :)
10:18:14 <flo> the Mozilla Links guy replied he will talk about ib 1.0 once it's released
10:21:57 <clokep> That's fair enough.
10:22:10 <clokep> I didn't get any replies yet.
10:23:33 <flo> hosting on google seems way better than on sourceforge
10:26:58 <clokep> Can we direct link to the downloads there?
10:27:05 <flo> yes :)
10:27:20 <flo> but we will keep linking to ib.com/download/1.0/<filename> so that we can count ;)
10:27:20 <clokep> :)
10:27:33 <flo> and it's just a redirect
10:27:36 <flo> (already in place on staging)
10:27:36 <clokep> Right!
10:28:05 <flo> I have 2 high capacity mirror networks ready: https://hg.instantbird.org/websites/www.instantbird.com/rev/706b4acb8e5f
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10:29:30 <clokep> :)
10:29:38 <SoehnelS> Hi @ all
10:29:43 <flo> hello
10:29:46 <clokep> Hello SoehnelS.
10:30:21 <SoehnelS> Could evryone tell me, how to list the channels of an irc server?
10:30:41 <SoehnelS> "/ list" does'nt do anything...
10:30:57 <SoehnelS> (without the space of course...)
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10:34:42 <clokep> Ah-ha, you can shut off that terrible hiding of http via  preference.
10:35:10 <flo> things seem to be in good shape. I think there's less than an hour worth of work on the server to be ready to announce the release.
10:35:30 <flo> of course, we also need to write the blog post of the announcement :)
10:36:40 <clokep> Of course.
10:37:42 <clokep> Is listing all the rooms on an IRC server something people do often?
10:37:52 <clokep> I generally only go into rooms I find other places...
10:38:15 <flo> I still need to make a few backup, hack around that font issue, hack around a stupid localizability issue for the instantbird.org page, then get a mirror in sync, and then switch www and www-staging :)
10:38:40 <flo> clokep: I think people do it each time they connect to a server for the first time
10:39:00 <flo> so not having it is bad for the first time experience, but doesn't hurt much the real use (if we haven't left the user before)
10:39:44 <clokep> Ah, perhaps. :)
10:40:47 <flo> ok, going to go get lunch
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10:56:45 <Mic> Hi
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11:02:55 <Mic> The blog is not reachable at the moment, is that known or expected?
11:06:49 <Mic> The download-all on the staging page is partially german and english, is that known/expected, FeuerFliege?
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11:10:38 <Mic> meeh: http://drice.org/2011/06/28/instantbird-erreicht-version-1-0/ -> ~"Instantbird is something for you if you like to play around with themes or message styles, no real extra value compared to Pidgin":(
11:16:39 <aleth> mic: but! https://twitter.com/#!/Gicos/status/85478165622947840
11:17:10 <Mic> :)
11:17:41 <Mic> What a pity that the download adress was apparantly leaked :(
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11:40:20 <aleth> clokep_work: NickServ problem gone today after reboot. Weird.
11:40:50 <clokep_work> aleth: My guess is your connecting to a different server.
11:41:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Apparently journalists all skip the paragraph that says "Hey, don't link to this press release or download link until after we announce, please!" That article up front says "I only tried it for a few minutes". I don't really know how you test software for only a "few" minutes. :-/
11:42:05 <aleth> clokep_work: that sounds plausible. I very much doubt the reboot had anything to do with it
11:46:14 <clokep_work> Probably not. :) Glad it's working now though.
11:46:21 <aleth> 1.0 produces a warning that was absent in 0.3 afaik:
11:46:21 <aleth> "Warning: WARN addons.updates: Error: Missing updates property for urn:mozilla:theme:{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}
11:46:21 <aleth> Source File: resource://gre/modules/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm
11:46:21 <aleth> Line: 472"
11:47:53 <aleth> (Or maybe its former absence was due to the nightly having updates turned off?)
11:48:11 <clokep_work> Nightlys don't have updates turned off, they update every night. ;)
11:48:22 <aleth> heh :)
11:48:55 <aleth> I assume that's the default theme trying to update itself
11:48:58 <clokep_work> That warning isn't anything to worry about though, pretty sure it's just complaining that the default theme doesn't have an update property...since it's included. :P
11:49:02 <clokep_work> Yeah, I think so.
11:49:18 <clokep_work> We should definitely fix it, but it's not a big deal. File a bug if we don't hae one maybe?
11:50:00 <Mic> I'm about to post an answer to this article, if nobody minds.
11:50:46 <Mic> I've written that we offer Pidgin-Protocols combined with the absolute Mozilla-awesomeness (not in these words of course;)
11:53:21 <clokep_work> Yes, saying something about how extensions can do more than themes and message styles maybe?
11:53:25 <aleth> I've added it as a comment to bug 487
11:53:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487 nor, --, ---, raynaudquentin, ASSI, Updates throw info message (RFC 5746 -- SSL/TLS) in Instantbird
11:54:15 <flo> so what's this problem with the blog?
11:56:50 <flo> ok, fixed
11:56:56 <flo> it was just a typo in the apache conf file
11:57:40 <flo> I'm moving lots of things around to have the most important websites hosted on 2 servers
11:57:42 <clokep_work> aleth: That bug is entirely unrelated. :-/
11:57:55 <clokep_work> But that's OK.
11:58:21 <Mic> It's german but here's what I posted: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/839
11:59:25 <Mic> I couldn't help adding "if you had waited for the official release, you could have read the release notes first" as P.S. ;)
11:59:44 <clokep_work> Google Translate's crappy translation for people who don't speak German: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/840
11:59:45 <clokep_work> :)
11:59:55 <aleth> clokep_work: Oh, sorry. I took it to be the bug for "unneccessary warnings"
12:00:08 <flo> Mic: I think the leaked download URL contains the release notes though ;)
12:00:28 <flo> but it's pretty clear that people who are in a rush to publish not yet released stuff don't have time to read anything before posting
12:00:42 <Mic> Welcome to the Twitter-age :P
12:01:03 <clokep_work> aleth: It's OK! Generally we try to keep all of our bugs small and specific to certain things. :)
12:01:14 <flo> Mic: have you included something about restartless add-ons? :)
12:01:23 <flo> yes, you have
12:01:29 * flo should read too :-D
12:02:01 <Mic> Yes, I said we support restartless addons like Fx4, js-ctypes to connect to native libraries without need for compiled code, easy conversion of Adium themes, ..
12:02:15 <flo> yes, I've read it now ^^
12:03:06 <clokep_work> Unfortunately on Linux we probably don't look all that much better than Pidgin. :-/
12:03:25 <clokep_work> Not as dramatically as on Windows, say.
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12:03:46 <Mic> It seems Google transalation doesn't like multi-clause sentences at all :D
12:04:09 <clokep_work> Google Translate is pretty bad, but it let's me get the gist of stuff.
12:04:32 <flo> Mic: if I had replied, it reply would have been much shorter
12:04:46 <Mic> Ah?
12:05:48 <flo> "We are glad that you like Pidgin. You are already using open source software, which is great. However, keep in mind that not everybody likes Pidgin, and that it's possible we are designing Instantbird for these people rather than for people who are already satisfied. Anyway, thanks for taking a few minutes to give Instantbird a try, and don't hesite to send us feedback if you decide to try it again in the future! :)"
12:06:11 <flo> *hesitate
12:06:18 <aleth> clokep_work: I'd say it's better than Pidgin (especially the theme designs), but not 100% polished on Linux
12:07:07 <clokep_work> Linux in generally just looks crappier. ;)
12:07:13 <clokep_work> s/ly//
12:07:16 <flo> oh please
12:07:21 <flo> not this troll again :)
12:07:28 <clokep_work> Hahah. :-X
12:07:30 <aleth> lol 
12:08:13 <flo> Mic: if you believe some strings really need fixing in the de website localization, I can give you write access to that repository
12:08:15 <aleth> Actually this is true of Firefox too, less polish under Linux. Not the fault of Linux tho
12:08:29 <clokep_work> My point being that a lot of these "tech enthusists" might run Linux, where their personality means that they might not care as much about how stuff looks + Instantbird doesn't look as polished on it as on other platforms (might not fit in as well with the native theme either), so that's bad for us.
12:08:44 <clokep_work> aleth: Oh not at all, that ^ ^ is my point.
12:09:00 <flo> + on Linux Empathy has a nice system integration
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12:09:36 <aleth> I don't really understand why Mozilla don't spend a little time on KDE or Gnome integration. Can't be that hard
12:10:34 <flo> I don't really understand why some people spend so much time ranting about that rather than actually doing *anything* about it. ;)
12:11:09 <flo> and people talking of "Mozilla" as if it was a person usually make meaningless statements.
12:11:32 <aleth> People have done something about it, but the corresponding themes end up buggy as they simulate something which should be present in the core ;)
12:12:06 * flo should not reply... should not reply... :)
12:12:07 <flo> ;)
12:12:08 <aleth> Anyway, its not a rant, just an observation. I like my FF just fine
12:12:40 <flo> aleth: you are certainly not the most virulent person I've seen talking on that topic :)
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12:12:58 <aleth> flo: I know exactly the attitude you mean
12:17:00 <aleth> flo: but taking "Mozilla" as a shorthand for their UX team, which does pick its own priorities -- e.g. http://areweprettyyet.com/ has no Linux section. Fair enough as most of their users are on Windows
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12:20:36 <Mic> There's another article which has 21 comments already
12:20:44 <Mic> http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/instantbird-multi-messenger-in-version-1-0-ist-da-totgesagte-leben-laenger
12:20:53 <flo> that's the first one
12:21:08 <flo> the one I was (wrongly) upset about :)
12:22:44 <flo> can someone confirm that this looks good on Windows? http://www-staging.instantbird.com/pl/features.html I've updated the font with a new version received from idechix
12:23:54 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 855 to FIXED.
12:23:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=855 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, website font
12:24:08 <clokep_work> Why does everyone write it as "Instant Bird"? :P
12:24:41 <aleth> Just add water.
12:24:54 <flo> because they need a distincting indication for how much they spent reading before commenting
12:25:44 <clokep_work> So...flo all our message styles are still for 0.2. :-/
12:25:52 <flo> really?
12:26:03 <clokep_work> Did we update them?
12:26:06 <clokep_work> Maybe I missed that.
12:26:24 <flo> we edited the database with Even
12:26:27 <Mic> I'd say the pl-page doesn't have more problems than en-US anymore
12:26:39 <clokep_work> flo: Ah OK. I'm just going off a comment there.
12:26:47 <flo> but the thing that's really too bad is that remora doesn't send the update for sandboxed addons during the installation :(
12:26:49 <Mic> (the font still looks bad for me on Windows in general but that's reported already)
12:27:01 <clokep_work> flo: Ah you're right, they're updated.
12:27:41 <flo> clokep_work: they will only work if they are out of the sandbox OR if they were installed on an instantbird with compatibility checking turned off (search for an update will bump the maxVersion when turning compatibility check back on)
12:27:50 <flo> that completely sucks of course...
12:27:55 <clokep_work> Right. :-/
12:28:20 <clokep_work> Why is everyone obsessed w/ memory usage? What's the difference between 20 MB and 40 MB. Bleh.
12:28:53 <flo> they are obsessed with it but they have absolutely no tool to measure it right
12:28:59 <flo> the value they report is just total nonsense
12:29:20 <flo> but they are users so they must be right I guess...
12:29:35 <Mic> I responded that they get the awesomeness of the Mozilla platform in return ;)
12:29:57 <flo> by the way, I spent several hours this week-end profiling our memory usage and it turns out at startup 10% is a pure waste caused by libpurple's crappy status code.
12:30:25 <flo> (I think they plan to fix that for Pidgin 3.0)
12:30:58 <clokep_work> Yeah I saw that email fly by.
12:31:03 <clokep_work> That would be nice. :)
12:31:08 <Mic> Let's hope it doesn't take them as long to get to 3.0 than it took the Linux kernel ;)
12:31:25 <flo> we don't care, we can just take the patch and run with it ;)
12:31:29 <Mic> ok, I'll stop using the L-word :P
12:31:58 <clokep_work> Yup! :)
12:35:40 <clokep_work> LifeHacker has posted a few articles this morning, but they're on the west coast if I remember.
12:36:07 <clokep_work> Haven't heard anything back yet.
12:37:46 <flo> I don't think they would get back to us except if they have questions
12:37:57 <clokep_work> True. :)
12:38:03 <clokep_work> Shuld have put return receipts. ;)
12:39:36 <flo> we are almost ready I think
12:39:39 <flo> time to write the blog post
12:40:56 <flo> hmm, can we just post the press release on the blog? :-D
12:41:49 <clokep_work> Honestly? I think we can.
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12:47:03 <clokep_work> Although I"m not exactly sure we need the part that's a description of Instantbird. :P You'd think people on our blog might know that. ;)
12:47:10 <clokep_work> It should link to the press-release though.
12:47:33 <flo> I think we can keep it
12:47:40 <flo> but just put a download link in the 5 first lines
12:47:50 <clokep_work> :)
12:47:54 <flo> "Goodbye #QIP, Hello #Instantbird" (on twitter) is nice and short.
12:48:14 <flo> and add a link at the bottom to the press release
12:48:21 <flo> and a sentense asking people to share the word
12:48:34 <clokep_work> Yes.
12:48:53 <clokep_work> (Maybe with links for Twitter & Facebook, now that you know how ot make them?)
12:49:04 <flo> hmm, maybe :)
12:49:17 <flo> should we mention that the website is localized?
12:49:37 * flo thinks it's time to start putting the new website online
12:49:38 <clokep_work> Probably would be a good to, we haven't anywhere else.
12:49:58 <flo> and include a thank you sentence for all our translators and contributors at the bottom
12:50:46 <clokep_work> instantbot: !8ball is it time to put the website online?
12:50:49 <instantbot> clokep_work: Sorry, I've no idea what '8ball is it time to put the website online' might be.
12:50:57 <flo> !8ball is it time to put the website online?
12:50:58 <instantbot> flo: You're kidding, right?
12:51:02 <clokep_work> Bleh. :( Failed.
12:51:10 <flo> instantbot: go sit in the corner
12:51:13 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'go sit in the corner' might be.
12:51:41 <instantbot> flo: clokep_work knew: Oh, I know this one! go sit in the corner is <ACTION>cries in the corner.
12:52:16 <clokep_work> Bleh.
12:52:22 <clokep_work> Me messing up instantbot more.
12:52:26 * clokep_work stops playing.
12:53:13 <clokep_work> OK....instantbot: go sit in the corner.
12:53:22 <clokep_work> Bleh lame.
12:53:26 <clokep_work> instantbot: go sit in the corner
12:53:27 * instantbot cries in the corner.
12:53:32 <clokep_work> There we go. :)
12:53:36 * clokep_work has conquered instantbot.
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12:54:18 <clokep_work> Anyway, lte me know if you want me to read/write anything.
12:55:11 <flo> we'll need to end stuff to all the websites that we didn't trust for not leaking the info ;)
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12:55:51 <Mic> end? send? end sending?
12:56:05 <clokep_work> end relations with
12:56:06 <flo> send
12:56:11 <clokep_work> Oh.
12:56:13 <clokep_work> Haha.
12:56:17 <clokep_work> Got it. :)
12:56:36 <flo> the leak didn't came from the emails we sent to journalists ;)
12:56:48 <clokep_work> True. :)
12:58:07 <flo> bleah, I forgot some changes for the l10n of the site :(
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13:02:52 <flo> can you spot any issue that I need to fix right now? http://www.instantbird.com/
13:03:11 <flo> the "what's new?" and "Add-ons" strings on the home page are not translated, I need to fix the RSS-auto-update script for that
13:03:42 <aleth> Looks good :D 
13:04:08 topic changed by flo to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.0 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/"
13:04:10 <aleth> Maybe the first item under "What's new" (in the blog) should be "1.0 released" or such
13:04:18 <clokep_work> I don't see anything wrong.
13:04:25 <flo> clokep_work: you are in the en-US locale ;)
13:05:35 <clokep_work> Yup. :)
13:05:40 <clokep_work> But still! Looks correct. :P
13:08:44 <flo> http://typewith.me/QPJKVA50n1
13:09:11 <GeekShadow> flo, just installed IB 1.0
13:09:23 <GeekShadow> it's not getting my xmpp avatar
13:09:47 <flo> there's a bug filed on that I think
13:11:40 <clokep_work> Should the "get instantbird" link be to the download page?
13:12:44 <flo> I think the home page is better
13:13:06 <clokep_work> Uhh...http://instantbird.com/about.html is borked for me.
13:14:26 <clokep_work> A bunch of text is missing.
13:15:20 <flo> which one?
13:15:39 <flo> uh
13:15:46 <clokep_work> Everything except you, idechix and even's name's and emails.
13:16:43 <flo> fixed, thanks
13:17:23 <clokep_work> :)
13:17:39 <flo> "In addition, our invaluable beta and nightly testers who timely report bugs and help track down regressions!" doesn't seem like a sentense
13:18:01 <Mic> I just read the latest typewithme. Did you mean adding Buddy Status to this list, clokep_work?
13:18:38 <clokep_work> Mic: I meant adding it to that, yes. But it's on the site now at www.instantbird.com/press-release-1.0.html
13:18:43 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, it was a mess. Thanks. :)
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13:19:09 <Mic> Nevermind, it's featured on AIO anyways
13:19:24 <clokep_work> :)
13:19:33 <flo> what's left to do here?
13:20:13 <flo> I'd like to post it and move on to fixing the l10n mess I made on the rss update script and on the ib.org page ;)
13:20:18 <clokep_work> Possibly delete the spaces I just added. ;)
13:20:24 <clokep_work> I think it's OK.
13:20:56 <clokep_work> Eh the last paragraph is a little strange.
13:21:09 <flo> your sentense is still a mess
13:21:13 <flo> "provide timely report bugs"
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13:23:33 <clokep_work> Did we want to link "share it" and "with your friends" maybe to Twitter & Facebook?
13:23:36 <clokep_work> Or just put links at the bottom?
13:25:34 <flo> like this?
13:26:16 <flo> are we ready?
13:27:30 <clokep_work> I think so. :)
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13:33:57 * clokep_work should update the screenshots on alternativeto
13:34:48 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
13:34:49 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n48-instantbird-1-0-released-in-11-locales.html - Instantbird 1.0 released in 11 locales!
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13:42:30 <clokep_work> flo: Should we announce on Twitter as well?
13:42:36 <flo> yes
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13:57:10 <Mic> #2 on PMO already :(
13:57:23 <flo> before being 1
14:00:43 <clokep_work> Do people check PMO manually? I thought everyone used RSS feeds? :P
14:02:42 <flo> I've yet to find a feed reader that doesn't suck to the point that I abandon it a week after starting using it ;)
14:03:04 <Mic> I'm always reading PMO on the web
14:04:21 <clokep_work> flo: I use Thunderbird, it works relatively well.
14:04:27 <clokep_work> Ah. I see.
14:04:41 <clokep_work> I can't open PMO in IE, which is kind of strange. But I read it at home anyway. ;)
14:05:59 <clokep_work> Although it half sucks anyway, so yeah. You're right.
14:07:25 <flo> what made me stop using for RSS (at the time I still could stand it for emails) was that it couldn't mark a post as read in several folder at once (for example if I've subscribed to someone's blog and PMO and a subset of the person's blog is syndicated on PMO)
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14:07:47 <flo> that made the unread counts completely inaccurate and lead to the false impression that I had much to catch up
14:07:51 <clokep_work> Ah, yeah. I don't htink I hae that situation at all.
14:07:57 <clokep_work> *have
14:07:58 <clokep_work> *think
14:08:24 <flo> PMO + instantbird's blog and you have it ;)
14:09:49 <clokep_work> PMO + instantbird's blog + instantbot reporting them ;)
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14:14:29 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 863 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz.
14:14:30 <instantbot> michal.stanke@mikk.cz added attachment 728 to bug 863.
14:14:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=863 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, some strings on index are not localized
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14:16:32 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 864 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz.
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14:17:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=864 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, blog menu is not loaclized
14:17:02 <flo> ah, it seems I'll have bugs for all the l10n issues I left ;)
14:17:11 <clokep_work> bio is crawling for me. :(
14:17:43 <flo> I'm not very far from falling asleep on my desk.
14:23:10 * flo reads http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/instantbird-1-0-cross-platform-multi-messenger-can-now-merge-contacts/
14:24:08 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 865 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz.
14:24:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, unable to download Instantbird from directly-linked localized pages
14:25:25 <flo> "Don’t be surprised to find striking similarity of InstantBird options, after all InstantBird was helped by the Mozilla team."
14:25:35 <clokep_work> Bleh. :(
14:25:43 <clokep_work> Hahah jump lists went in there!
14:25:46 * clokep_work high fives Mic.
14:25:59 <flo> ok, it's really unfair of me to point out the signle sentence that is off when everything else is great there
14:26:15 <clokep_work> "Suffice to day that once you install InstantBird, you might not need to install another multi-messenger. InstantBird works on Windows, Mac and Linux based operating systems." :)
14:26:41 <clokep_work> We should probably take some of these better quotes and put them somewhere...or at leat keep track of these articles?
14:26:57 <flo> we should
14:27:04 <flo> of the best tweets too ;)
14:27:26 <clokep_work> The link goes to the staging website. :(
14:27:35 <instantbot> michal.stanke@mikk.cz set the Resolution field on bug 724 to WORKSFORME.
14:27:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Themes pane is too wide
14:27:48 <igorko> flo: what about adding 1.0 to ubuntu repo?
14:27:54 <flo> clokep_work: he took his source from the leaked article...
14:28:12 <flo> igorko: will need to talk to chrisccoulson for that ;).
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14:29:35 <flo> clokep_work: is there an email address somewhere to request the link gets fixed?
14:30:07 <clokep_work> flo: I'm looking but haven't found one
14:30:39 <clokep_work> flo: I found the authors email, I'll send him an email.
14:30:50 <flo> thanks him for the great article! :)
14:31:05 <flo> you may also mention that it's Instantbird, not InstantBird (or whatever he wrote)
14:31:32 <flo> bug 865 is really very bad :(
14:31:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, unable to download Instantbird from directly-linked localized pages
14:32:17 <flo> at least we haven't spread these links in the wild yet :)
14:36:55 <clokep_work> Eek, yes that's bad.
14:38:53 <flo> for some reason the url becomes http://instantbird.googlecode.com/files/instantbird-1.0.fr.mac.dmg/downloads/1.0/instantbird-1.0.fr.mac.dmg
14:39:02 <flo> I really don't know why that's duplicated :-S
14:46:56 <muninn> IRC features question: I looked for bugs but could not find one. When I use the 'list' command, it is accepted by instantbird but nothing happens. Comparing this to pidgin, I would expect to see a popup with the available channels and be able to join them. Did I miss something or is this just not implemented?
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14:47:37 <yabo> "The Instantbird team is pleased to announce a polished Instantbird 1.0, released today in 11 locales."
14:47:42 <yabo> Still no x86_64 build !:
14:47:50 <flo> yabo: bonjour :)
14:47:58 <flo> yabo: but this time the website is in French! :)
14:48:34 <yabo> Bonjour :)
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14:49:27 <flo> yabo: I think it's the work of your linux distribution to package the 64bit version ;)
14:49:45 <flo> but Instantbird works very well on Linux 64bit (that's what I use to debug on Linux anyway :))
14:49:58 <yabo> Why do you provide i686 prebuilt binaries ? :(
14:50:11 <flo> yabo: requires another VM + some extra server storage
14:50:23 <flo> the 1.0 binaries already weight almost 2GB on the server
14:50:40 <flo> what's your linux distribution again? :)
14:50:49 <yabo> Currently on archlinux
14:51:08 <flo> hmm, I think Instantbird used to be packaged there
14:51:13 <yabo> they don't package instantbird (at least in 64bits)
14:51:32 <yabo> there's an old 0.3b1 package
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14:51:46 <flo> yabo: 0.3b1 is only 2 weeks old
14:52:14 <yabo> Oh, curious naming scheme :)
14:52:24 <flo> we posted yesterday to explain that
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14:52:57 <Mic> The "/list" issue seems to be more widespread than anticipated :S
14:53:20 <yabo> flo, yeah, I was just kidding
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14:53:31 <flo> Mic: especially among people who use IRC (which I expect aren't such a significant postion of our users)
14:53:47 <flo> uptime on the main server:  4:52PM  up 83 days,  5:59, 3 users, load averages: 10.99, 7.72, 5.04
14:54:00 <flo> everything is slow :(
14:54:02 <Mic> Ah, nice :) Jump lists mentioned, indeed! /me likes this.
14:54:23 <clokep_work> Yeah, we'll have to implement /list in a better fashion, Ill file a bug about it.
14:54:27 <Mic> I wonder what they say once we put real stuff like favorite contacts there
14:54:41 <clokep_work> 64-bit builds won't do anything special though, besides being more "native" I guess.
14:54:49 <roflo1> Hi all, I've been wondering... I currenly have v0.3b1.
14:54:50 <roflo1> If I "Check for Updates" none are found.. is this expected behaviour?
14:55:01 <flo> roflo1: currently yes.
14:55:09 <Mic> Ah, the www-staging link is being passed around .. that's not good I suppose :(
14:55:11 <flo> We will push the updates in a few hours, at most a day or two
14:55:15 <aleth> Mic: /list not working here either, nor is /whois...
14:55:34 <clokep_work> flo mic We can add links to https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Press-Coverage:1.0
14:55:36 <flo> aleth: nor all the commands that make libpurple want to open a popup in your face. We hate popups ;)
14:55:52 <yabo> clokep_work, on a 64bits install without 32bit libraries, a 32bit binary doesn't work at all. So is "being more native" actually "working"
14:55:58 <aleth> flo: oh good
14:56:14 <roflo1> @flo, thanks.
14:56:26 <clokep_work> yabo: Not really true, you can install the compatibility library, whatever it's called.
14:56:35 <clokep_work> But I don't want to bikeshed about that.
14:56:37 <yabo> " without 32bit libraries"
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14:57:27 <yabo> And I've been through that some time ago, solely for instantbird. And it's not that easy at all. Lot of things break and require more care than "install & forget".
14:57:30 <flo> clokep_work: even when the 32bit libraries are installed, some things don't look as nice as they could. I know Even builds 64 builds himself instead of using nightlies because he doesn't get a native theming otherwise
14:57:55 <flo> yabo: getting a correct package in your distribution is really the best way around it :)
14:57:56 <muninn> clokep_work: Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for the /list update :)
14:58:09 <flo> I can't promise to help for archlinux.
14:58:18 <flo> For ubuntu/fedora we will see how we can help
14:58:22 <yabo> flo, yep, but I guess I don't have time for that now, so I'll stick with pidgin
14:58:46 <clokep_work> If they don't work with the 32bit libraries...I'd just blame Linux now. ;)
14:58:47 <flo> maybe you can build it yourself? :)
14:58:48 <yabo> flo, oh, I don't ask for an archlinux package (if you have to manage all the packages for all the distos out there that's going to take time...)
14:59:10 <flo> by the way, I would be OK with uploading a set of 64 bit builds of 1.0
14:59:15 <clokep_work> We'd love to have other people help us out with that! :-D
14:59:22 <flo> just it's way too much work to fully support them (handle automatic updates, ...)
14:59:34 <aleth> clokep_work: is the win7 jumplist code in the mintray bits you showed me yesterday? I can't seem to find it there
14:59:34 <yabo> Oh, wasn't aware of that
14:59:39 <flo> so they would be "hidden on the ftp and unsupported", but maybe that could still help some geeks
14:59:56 <clokep_work> aleth: No, it's code Mic and I wrote. I can dig up a link in a second.
15:00:08 <yabo> flo, indeed
15:00:25 <aleth> clokep_work: because that would be the obvious place to add an equivalent context menu for gtk
15:00:39 <Mic> aleth: the jumplist code is extensible, if you like to add something there: it's pretty easy
15:00:43 <aleth> at least naively
15:01:11 <Mic> It's windows-only though since it uses the Windows 7 APIs
15:01:13 <clokep_work> aleth: The Mozilla stuff handles jump-lists for us, we don't handle much native code there.
15:01:23 <flo> hmm, if we keep having such an heavy load on the main server I'll move www.instantbird.com to the second server
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15:01:36 <clokep_work> aleth: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/ibWinJumpList.jsm
15:01:40 <flo> the main server seems currently busy processing some crash reports
15:01:52 <flo> + lots of HTTP requests of course :)
15:01:57 <aleth> clokep_work: oh i see, so there is little one can do for linux until mozilla implements them for gtk?
15:02:26 <flo> aleth: I think it's possible to add context menu items in the current linux implementation
15:02:41 <flo> but ping me later about this if you really want me to dig in that code ;)
15:03:11 <yabo> so back to work, see you guys
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15:03:16 <flo> see you :)
15:04:35 <aleth> flo: in principle gtkstatusicon (used in mintray) has context menu support http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/stable/GtkStatusIcon.html
15:05:07 <aleth> flo: might ping you if i have time over the weekend
15:05:35 <Mic> Don't we even have a bug about extending the tray icon menu?
15:05:47 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 866 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
15:05:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle /list and /whois for IRC
15:05:53 <clokep_work> aleth: the mintrayr code has support for context menus, so it should be relatively easy to add/extend them. (And yes there's a bug about it.)
15:05:55 <Mic> I think we have the basic-trayicon bug and a followup for extending it?
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15:06:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 865 to FIXED.
15:06:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865 maj, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, unable to download Instantbird from directly-linked localized pages
15:07:42 <flo> oh, we forgot bug 626 :-D
15:07:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Notifications list on the wiki out of date
15:07:53 <flo> I suspect it didn't block after all :-D
15:08:13 <clokep_work> I think Mic updated most of it anyway. :)
15:08:25 <clokep_work> Or at least part of it. :P
15:08:29 <flo> yes, I think the only thing left was I needed to review it
15:08:40 <flo> (or I hope so at least :))
15:08:50 <Mic> Yes, I ordered and added stuff. There was some twitter-browser-thingie-notification that I couldn't really make sense of
15:08:56 <Mic> -some +a
15:09:02 <clokep_work> Yes, cause it's confusing. ;)
15:09:05 <Mic> aleth: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=619%2C+749%2C+750%2C+753%2C+764%2C+861
15:09:16 <gmoro_> hello all
15:09:27 <Mic> Hi gmoro_
15:09:29 <gmoro_> I looking to package this project to RPM packages..
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15:09:39 * Mic is going to install tab complete now, brb
15:09:46 <Mic> ah, wait.
15:09:51 <Mic> Isn't it restartless?
15:09:54 <flo> what was our previous participant count record? :)
15:10:06 <gmoro_> but I see that the build process involves checking out the mozilla-2.0 tree
15:10:15 <hicham> I made some
15:10:23 <gmoro_> is there anyway to use installed firefox to achieve a clean tarball ?
15:10:31 <Mic> Awesome!
15:10:53 <hicham> I made some rpms
15:10:57 * Mic just searched, downloaded and installed 'Tab Complete' completely from the addons manager
15:11:04 <Mic> No restart required.
15:11:10 <Mic> *That's how it's done.*
15:11:23 <hicham> Mic : great !
15:11:26 <clokep_work> :)
15:11:26 <hicham> I like that feature
15:11:28 <gmoro_> hicham: great
15:11:40 <gmoro_> is there a SPEC available somewhere?
15:11:48 <hicham> gmoro_: I submitted it to fedora but it stalled
15:11:48 <Mic> Bah, and now someone should say: no advantage over Pidgin again;)
15:11:57 <gmoro_> hicham: I see
15:12:27 <hicham> gmoro_: you trying to package it on fedora too ?
15:13:03 <gmoro_> hicham: no, I want to package it for Mandriva
15:13:25 <gmoro_> hmm
15:13:27 <gmoro_> looks like you
15:13:27 <gmoro_> http://hicham.fedorapeople.org/instantbird/F-14/instantbird.spec
15:13:29 <gmoro_> :)
15:14:05 <hicham> yeah, that one is for 0.2
15:14:21 <Mic> Colorful tab complete suggestions with Show Nick: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/232/tabcompletetweakedshown.png
15:15:03 <gmoro_> hicham: but how to you managed the tarball and mozilla framework relation?
15:15:27 <flo> I've never understood how the big tarball is a problem
15:15:50 <gmoro_> flo: in mandriva sadly we package the tarball inside the src.rpm
15:16:03 <gmoro_> and in our svn too
15:16:05 <clokep_work> Mic: I'd love if the completition in the input box could also be that color. :)
15:16:19 <gmoro_> so a bigger tarball just lost space on servers :)
15:16:34 <hicham> gmoro_: IB source ships with mozilla sources
15:16:46 <gmoro_> hicham: hmm
15:16:53 <hicham> gmoro_: but you can use the xulrunner one
15:17:05 <gmoro_> hicham: xulrunner dont exists anymore
15:17:06 <hicham> and an IB snapshot
15:17:08 <gmoro_> :/
15:17:16 <hicham> gmoro_: you don't have xulrunner in mandriva ?
15:17:25 <gmoro_> firefox 5 dropped the xulrunner dep
15:17:45 <hicham> you can use firefox tarball, it is the same
15:17:50 <gmoro_> so I could generate the xulrunner package, but just instantbird will use it I think
15:17:54 <gmoro_> hicham: yeap
15:18:16 <hicham> you just uncompress it, in IB tree as mozilla
15:18:20 <hicham> that is it
15:18:21 <gmoro_> I was trying to avoid to have the entire tarball as a copy on instantbird
15:18:32 <hicham> you can't
15:18:37 <flo> gmoro_: so if you don't have a xulrunner package, I understand even less why having mozilla in our tarball is an issue
15:18:54 <gmoro_> trying something like firefox-devel to export just the needed lib dependencies
15:19:07 <gmoro_> or the project use some specific modification of the tree ?
15:19:15 <hicham> IB needs mozilla sources to build
15:19:19 <hicham> like all xulrunner apps
15:19:33 <gmoro_> yeah, I see
15:19:39 <hicham> that is how mozilla build system works
15:19:48 <gmoro_> so I think that bring back the libxulrunner-devel package should do the job
15:19:49 <gmoro_> :)
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15:20:19 <hicham> no, it won't
15:20:30 <gmoro_> no ?
15:20:39 <gmoro_> hicham: firefox was builded this way
15:20:47 <hicham> you still need the sources
15:20:47 <gmoro_> based on libxulrunner and xulrunner packages
15:20:58 <hicham> gmoro_: firefox have xulrunner sources
15:21:06 <gmoro_> yeah, I know
15:21:16 <gmoro_> I'm the maintainer for all the mozilla stuff in mandriva
15:21:42 <hicham> you can use system xulrunner however
15:21:45 <gmoro_> just trying to avoid other pains in the future
15:21:50 <gmoro_> :)
15:21:59 <gmoro_> hicham: yeap, this is what I was talking about
15:22:11 <hicham> but if you don't have xulrunner in the repos, what worry about it :)
15:22:14 <gmoro_> libxulrunner-devel to compile and xulrunner package to run the app
15:22:28 <hicham> s/what/why
15:22:46 <gmoro_> hicham: I think that I should revive the xulrunner package, so other xulrunner based packages could use it
15:23:00 <hicham> just use official IB sources, and you're done
15:23:05 <gmoro_> actually I was used to run my xulrunner apps using firefox -app 
15:23:05 <gmoro_> :)
15:23:22 <hicham> gmoro_: xulrunner is required for some packages, like gnome-shell for example
15:23:31 <gmoro_> hicham: hmm
15:23:34 <gmoro_> interesting
15:23:43 <hicham> gmoro_: you don't have gnome-shell yet ?
15:23:44 <gmoro_> mandriva is now based on KDE mainly
15:23:49 <hicham> I see
15:24:20 <gmoro_> I'll package xulrunner in first place, should be just a small change in the firefox 5 spec
15:24:21 <gmoro_> :)
15:25:16 <flo> almost all our download requests are coming from www-staging
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15:26:23 <hicham> gmoro_: xulrunner-qt have been revived also :)
15:27:52 <clokep_work> flo: I think both of those German articles linked to ww-staging as well. :-/
15:28:05 <flo> that's where that link came from
15:28:26 <flo> next time www-staging may be password protected ;)
15:28:28 <gmoro_> hicham: it can compile against the firefox 5 tree right? no problems with that
15:28:57 <clokep_work> I believe we're using Firefox 4.0.1 right now?
15:29:04 <flo> clokep_work: nobody has every tried
15:29:11 <flo> gmoro_: err, that was for you
15:29:24 <flo> *has ever tried
15:29:29 <gmoro_> flo: I see
15:29:43 <flo> if there are problems they should be easy to fix
15:29:52 <gmoro_> so I could use the present xulrunner package of the distro, based on the 4.0.1 tarball
15:29:53 <gmoro_> :)
15:29:57 <gmoro_> way better
15:30:20 <hicham> I am gonna try it against firefox5
15:31:18 <gmoro_> nice
15:31:43 <flo> "Whoop! Instantbird 1.0 has been released! There's finally an IM client for Windows which isn't horrible. http://t.co/y4b0y6m"
15:32:33 <gmoro_> btw
15:32:41 <gmoro_> its look really promising this project
15:32:59 <gmoro_> I kind hate IM today
15:33:09 <gmoro_> :)
15:33:17 <gmoro_> lets look how it goes with IB
15:33:41 <flo> should I email translators again to remind them that it's time to send the press release link to everybody?
15:34:10 <clokep_work> Maybe, could say the website is fully working now, etc.
15:34:14 <clokep_work> Well mostly working. :)
15:34:25 <hicham> the complete sources are 79 MB
15:35:11 <flo> "mostly working" maybe I should fix that :-D
15:35:13 <gmoro_> hicham: looks good, the mozilla tarball is something like 60 mb 
15:37:58 <gerard-majax> for AIO, are you using the code of AMO ?
15:38:04 <flo> yes
15:38:21 <gerard-majax> k
15:38:23 <clokep_work> gerard-majax: The old AMO code.
15:38:45 <hicham> why not the new one ?
15:39:04 <flo> man, I've answered that question at least 3 times recently :(
15:39:11 <gerard-majax> just so you know, I only localize french for the trunk on AMO :)
15:39:16 <clokep_work> Because we haven't upgrade because it's a huge pain in the ass to do that.
15:39:23 <clokep_work> *upgraded
15:39:26 <flo> was probably in privates emails to translators though :(
15:40:01 <flo> gerard-majax: do you want to be another translator in the french team to proof read and improve our translations?
15:40:16 <flo> I read quickly the about page in French today, it seems there's much to improve there... :(
15:40:19 <gerard-majax> flo, not sure
15:40:29 <gerard-majax> flo, AMO already gives quite a lot of work sometimes
15:41:21 <gerard-majax> just not keeping up to date for one month (paper to finish, conference to attend, some tourism at the same time) lead to 500+ new untranslated strings :)
15:42:39 <gmoro_> theres an tarball generator? like make -f client.mk configure && make source-package for firefox ?
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15:43:03 <flo> gmoro_: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Create_source_tarball
15:45:32 <gmoro_> flo: hmm, I use this script passing the rev number? like 1.0 ?
15:45:34 <aleth> http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2011/06/28/Instantbird-10
15:45:43 <flo> gmoro_: yes
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15:46:42 <gmoro_> flo: perfect
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15:47:03 <gmoro_> this should be on the hg repo too, to generate from a cloned tree
15:47:04 <gmoro_> :)
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15:50:37 <deOmega> good day.  exciting day in  IB land? :)
15:55:16 <clokep_work> Of course. :)
15:55:18 <flo> gmoro_: it's used to clone the tree ;)
15:55:21 <clokep_work> It's always exciting. ;)
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15:58:59 <flo> third kernel panic of powerbird in 2 days :(
15:59:09 <flo> maybe it's affected by the warm weather?
16:00:37 <clokep_work> http://www.mozilla.cz/zpravicky/instantbird-1-0-je-pripraven-k-vydani-uz-zitra/
16:01:00 <flo> no screenshot? :(
16:02:22 <flo> oh, so it's a post by our localizer, and just about the version numbre change :)
16:05:48 <clokep_work> Yup! :) Just wanted to point it out.
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16:09:47 * flo is busy writting to the french news website
16:10:22 <aleth> http://techtastico.com/post/instantbird-cliente-de-mensajeria-multiplataforma-con-variedad-de-servicios/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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16:45:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 863 to FIXED.
16:45:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=863 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, some strings on index page are not localized
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16:48:59 <ironhead> Is it possible to override the port being used to connect to a given service (i.e. GTalk)?
16:49:30 <ironhead> I'm beind a proxy and the only port I can connect to GTalk on is port 443
16:51:04 <ironhead> I had a look in config editor but couldn't find anything
16:51:05 <clokep_work> ironhead: There should be proxy options in the account settings, if they are not there, then they abide by the proxy settings available in the preferences window.
16:51:31 <ironhead> I've set those appropriately for my environment
16:51:57 <ironhead> but the proxy / firewall blocks access to talk.google.com other than on port 443
16:52:27 <clokep_work> You should be able to change the port in the account settings.
16:54:10 <clokep_work> If that's not the issue, I'm unsure what you're asking about.
16:54:55 <ironhead> I can change the port for the proxy just fine (which is what I think you are referring to)
16:55:22 <ironhead> what I can't seem to do is set the port on which Instantbird will use to connect to talk.google.com
16:55:47 <clokep_work> That's not what I'm referring to.
16:56:04 <aleth> maybe redirect your staging url to the proper one, to avoid things like this ending up in FIXME FIXME? https://twitter.com/#!/uci_img/status/85730090159316993
16:56:26 <clokep_work> Tools > Accounts, go into the properties for your GTalk account, one of the tabs is "Advanced settings" or something.
16:56:34 <clokep_work> In there you can change the port, the server, etc.
16:56:43 <clokep_work> (Unless we removed that for GTalk, but I do not think so.)
16:56:59 * aleth was curious and searched for instantbird on twitter
16:57:11 <clokep_work> Nah, I see it there. :)
16:57:34 <clokep_work> It might say "Google Talk Options" on the tab.
16:58:32 <clokep_work> ironhead: "Tools" > "Accounts", then "Properties" button to bring up the dialog and then "Advanced Options" tab
16:59:22 <ironhead> I only see a 'General' tab?
16:59:23 <FeuerFliege> moin moin
16:59:27 <flo> aleth: done
17:00:01 <FeuerFliege> mostly positive comments on the instantbird 1.0 release
17:00:13 <Mic> Could be we removed the advanced setting for the GTalk and Facebook overrides
17:00:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Possibly. I don't remember doing that though...flo do you remember that?
17:00:38 <Mic> You can try creating an XMPP account? "GTalk" is just faking to be a proper protocol, internally it is using XMPP
17:00:43 <flo> clokep_work: that's possible
17:01:38 <flo> https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/1023849b0d65
17:01:56 <clokep_work> ironhead: You'll have to do as Mic says and make an XMPP account then.
17:02:07 <ironhead> yep, got it to work that way
17:02:10 <ironhead> thanks :)
17:02:27 <clokep_work> Sorry about all that confusion! I must have forgotten about that check-in. :)
17:02:38 <flo> I don't remember the rationale
17:02:45 <flo> I'm trying to load the bug, but that's sloooow :(
17:03:05 * clokep_work is trying to load hg.
17:03:17 <clokep_work> I should just search for the bug # in gmail...
17:03:31 <Mic> Ok, I'll file a followup bug then
17:03:40 <Mic> Being able to change the port seems reasonable?
17:03:55 <gmoro_> if I move the HG tree to another name, the build breaks :(
17:04:17 <clokep_work> I wonder if we should show the server even and just have the input box be disabled?
17:04:34 <ironhead> Mic: I think it's reasonable (at least for me ;) )
17:04:39 <Mic> hehe ;)
17:04:50 <clokep_work> Eh, probably showing too much info.
17:05:03 <clokep_work> Changing the port and if it uses SSL maybe are reaosnable. Although I don't think you can connect w/o SSL?
17:05:08 <clokep_work> varuna would probably know.
17:05:45 * clokep_work is glad that he isn't the r= on that bug. :-D
17:06:01 <flo> I asked "- Should we also remove all the advanced options on GTalk?" on comment 3
17:06:08 <ironhead> if you want to 'dumb it down' what about adding a 'web connection' type checkbox (to use port 443)?
17:06:09 <flo> I suspect the next part of the discussion is on IRC
17:07:28 <clokep_work> Ah-ha! http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110530/#m71
17:08:38 <flo> "<flo> gtalk supports SSL so I don't see why one would want to connect without encryption"
17:09:21 <aleth> Encryption should be the default everywhere imho
17:09:39 <clokep_work> Yes, but we're mostly talking about the port here.
17:11:15 <clokep_work> We can just file a follow up and re-address it though. :)
17:11:21 <Mic> Shift+Page Up/Down only works when the input box is selected. If the conversation content is, you need to use only Page Up/Down and pressing Shift breaks it :( We should make this consistent..
17:11:30 <gmoro_> another little bug, the build dont work on gcc 4.6
17:11:32 <gmoro_> :)
17:13:12 <flo> Mic: feel free to file a bug/fix it
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17:14:28 <Mic> If I can get a few cpu cycles and a bit of traffic on the bugzilla server, I will ;)
17:14:50 <FeuerFliege> I've read a few comments that instantbird needs to much Memory (50MB or so what is the problem?) and that ICQ refuses to connect with SSL-Settings (IIRC has pidgin has the same problem)
17:15:09 <Mic> Yes, the clientConnect thingie iirc
17:15:18 <Mic> Why haven't we switched this setting btw?
17:15:20 <clokep_work> ICQ should connect with the default settings. Idk about changing them around.
17:15:26 <Mic> I thought this was fixed?
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17:16:07 <clokep_work> Mic: I'm not sure what you mean. switched which setting?
17:16:33 <Mic> The ominous clientConnect setting was the issue if I remember correctly
17:17:13 <clokep_work> It should be unchecked by default I believe. :)
17:17:22 <FeuerFliege> With a clean profile “Use clientLogin” is not set :(
17:17:44 <flo> "Why haven't we switched this setting btw?" you mean "why haven't we removed the option" I guess?
17:17:51 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: it must be checked!
17:18:05 <flo> FeuerFliege: really?
17:18:14 <flo> last week it needed to *NOT* be checked
17:18:26 <flo> as the libpurple clientId was banned by the ICQ servers
17:19:59 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: I'm like 90% sure it CAN'T BE CHECKED to work.
17:20:12 <flo> clokep_work: it may have changed *again* ;)
17:20:35 <clokep_work> flo: Possibly! My account has been working though.
17:20:40 <Mic> clientLogin is unchecked for me right at the moment and I'm connecting fine
17:20:40 <clokep_work> See http://blog.instantbird.org/a33-icq-connection-error.html for the correct settings to use.
17:20:58 <clokep_work> I agree we should remove the clientLogin setting. :)
17:21:09 <flo> those people who know everything, touch everything and then complain should just shutup
17:21:21 <flo> we should remove most of the advanced account preferences
17:21:23 <flo> most are pointless
17:21:37 <clokep_work> Yes.
17:21:48 <clokep_work> Can we remove some of them from the UI and leave them in about:config maybe?
17:22:20 <flo> they will always be in about:config anyway
17:22:27 <flo> but there's no default value for them, so good luck finding them ;)
17:22:55 <flo> setting the pref in about:config could have worked for ironhead by the way
17:23:30 <roflo1> Maybe you should add a red label (at the beginning of the advanced tab) saying: Only modify these settings if you know what you're doing!
17:23:46 <Mic> We could have a toggle to show them in case it's needed and name it something obvious? This is totally faked, but you'll get the idea: "settings.showadvanced.ImMessingAroundAndWontBlameAnyoneForTheResults=true" ;)
17:23:57 <flo> roflo1: that kind of lable attracts the people who believe they know everything ;)
17:24:10 <roflo1> lol... you're probably right.
17:24:39 <aleth> don't remove too many options though, they do come up once in a while
17:25:01 <flo> (that's a poor translation from German, but I don't think Google messed up the version number) "My first impression of instant Bird, in the first final version 1.0, is quite positive. My last version was 0.4 and there were crashes an issue. Now, after few hours of my installation, I am very satisfied"
17:25:40 <flo> oh, I still haven't posted on freshmeat!
17:27:24 <clokep_work> 0.4, eh? Hmm...we've never even had like a beta or alpha 4, right?
17:27:37 <clokep_work> aleth: I agree for things like XMPP, IRC.
17:27:47 <clokep_work> But things that have specific settings...you don't really need them.
17:27:54 <clokep_work> I.e. you won't ever change the server for google talk
17:27:58 <mokush> hey guys, any way to set the status to invisible?
17:28:28 <clokep_work> mokush: No. I think there's an old extension around that does it, but invisible isn't defined on most networks, so there isn't really any proper way to handle it.
17:28:46 <clokep_work> (Besides which, why would you want to be invisible on an IM network? ;))
17:28:53 <mokush> oh man.
17:29:05 <mokush> so that you can still talk to people but be totaly unavailable
17:29:36 <aleth> clokep_work: ah, i see. you mean account types that are basically wrappers, like google talk for xmpp
17:29:43 <clokep_work> OK...
17:29:45 <mokush> clokep_work: where can I find the extension you're talking about?
17:29:48 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, exactly Or Facebook Chat.
17:30:02 <clokep_work> mokush: I'm not sure where it is if it exists anymore. I can look in a second.
17:30:18 <flo> http://typewith.me/VedfV1jBYt how does this sound for freshmeat ? (600 characters limit)
17:30:26 <clokep_work> But really the big problem (why we don't expose it) is that most networks don't support it. So..there's no way to show the user that they're still online on some networks.
17:32:32 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work, flo: if “Use encryption if available” is set it must be checked, if “Don't use encryption” it doesn't matter
17:33:34 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: Last time I checked you couldn't use SSL.
17:34:03 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: that is right, I think
17:34:27 <clokep_work> flo: Is that still under 600 characters? ;)
17:34:39 <flo> I haven't counted before anyway
17:34:41 <FeuerFliege> but with the default “use if available” clientLogin has to be checked (at least for me)
17:35:27 <clokep_work> mokush: So you can set yourself to invisible using a command line handler.
17:35:34 <clokep_work> Calling instantbird with....
17:35:38 <flo> "Your release has been submitted for verification. This process typically takes less than 24 hours." ok
17:35:57 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 867 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
17:36:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Shift+Page Up/Down should work when content area is selected
17:37:12 <flo> what would you think of this article: http://www.abctrick.com/2011/06/instantbird-out-of-beta-now-featured.html Starting with "Are you familiar with this Cross Platform chat client named “InstantBird”? If not, then probably you have missed some great source of entertainment." and finishing by "Download Instantbird 1.0 For Windows Now
17:37:13 <flo> Also Download InstantBird 0.2 Beta 2 For Mac And Linux From Here"
17:37:51 <clokep_work> mokush: Using "instantbird.exe -status invisible" should work.
17:38:25 <mokush> clokep_work: thanks, will try it out
17:39:00 <flo> clokep_work: if I remember well, the invisible status conflicts with the auto-away feature
17:39:01 <clokep_work> flo: That might have stolen stuff from one of the other articles I've read? Hah.
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17:39:20 <flo> clokep_work: paragraphs in the middle are taken from the good article we saw before
17:39:28 <flo> most screenshots are ours
17:39:49 <clokep_work> And the last two paragraphs are from the press  release.
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17:40:10 <flo> yeah, copy/paste works well over there :)
17:43:35 <clokep_work> Good thing we gave good stuff to copy & paste. :P
17:43:52 <flo> good screenshots :)
17:47:15 <Mic> Too bad they didn't c/p the application name
17:49:38 <aleth> That would give the game away
17:56:05 <clokep_work> Apparently Thunderbird also released today btw.
17:58:11 <flo> a beta?
17:58:18 <igorko> 5.0 :)
17:58:27 <flo> pre-alpha then :-P
17:58:54 <flo> 5.0b2 apparently
17:59:20 <igorko> no
17:59:24 <igorko> 5.0 release
17:59:27 <clokep_work> No, 5.0 is released.
17:59:29 <igorko> woot
17:59:34 <igorko> :)
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18:06:42 <flo> in case the main server gets too slow, I've installed a mirror of ib.com and ib.org on the other server (the one hosting the blog and lxr)
18:06:51 <flo> they are currently visible at http://www2.instantbird.com/ and http://www2.instantbird.org/
18:07:04 <clokep_work> Meaning that lxr might get real slow? ;)
18:07:05 <flo> if we decide to make it the default, we will just need to swap the DNS records
18:07:12 <flo> I don't think so
18:07:20 <flo> the main website is light
18:07:39 <flo> what's putting the other server on its knees remora + socorro
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18:12:15 <clokep_work> Ah right.
18:13:17 <clokep_work> What's with the main page of Socorro anyway? Should those lists actually work? :P
18:13:41 <flo> they've never worked
18:13:45 <flo> and we don't care anyway
18:14:00 <flo> what I'm more worried about is that none of our mac stacks seem readable
18:14:20 <flo> there's probably a software component that needs an upgrade on the stack processor
18:14:21 <gmoro_> .../tmp/instantbird/mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsEnumeratorUtils.cpp:115:27: error: uninitialized const ‘EmptyEnumeratorImpl::kInstance’ [-fpermissive]
18:14:27 <gmoro_> damned
18:14:38 <flo> the only readable stack we have received (windows): http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/503adc55-a7a0-41c3-a12c-3a11f2110628
18:15:15 <kelopez> flo there's no about:config?
18:15:35 <flo> I don't think this is specifically a question for me
18:15:37 <clokep_work> kelopez: There is. You have to access it the same way as Thunderbird.
18:15:40 <flo> and there's definitely the answer in the FAQ
18:15:59 <flo> clokep_work: heh, I'll start talking like Pidgin people ;)
18:16:02 <kelopez> lol ok :)
18:16:35 <flo> seriously though, I'm extremely tired and should probably go eat something before I fall asleep in the office
18:16:38 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, but you can blame your lack of sleep. :)
18:16:52 <clokep_work> kelopez: If you can't find it in the FAQ, let me know. But do please look. :)
18:16:58 <kelopez> I did
18:17:23 <flo> vicnet pointed out that the "Get Addons" item of the FAQ is way out of date
18:17:28 <clokep_work> kelopez: http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html#aboutconfig
18:17:45 <Mic> instantbot: faq
18:17:45 <gmoro_> could someone put the link to the bugzilla on the topic of the channel ? ;-)
18:17:46 <kelopez> clokep_work I saw it! D:
18:17:47 <instantbot> Mic: Sorry, I've no idea what 'faq' might be.
18:17:48 <instantbot> Mic: firebot knew: faq is Frequently Asked Questions, mozilla's FAQs are listed at http://www.mozilla.org/faq.html
18:17:54 <flo> I'll probably be back in an hour or two.
18:17:57 <Mic> ahm, bad
18:18:03 <Mic> flo: enjoy your break!
18:18:14 <Mic> ../evening/whatever ;)
18:18:18 <clokep_work> instantbot: no, faq is http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html
18:18:18 <flo> meal ;)
18:18:19 <instantbot> clokep_work: ok
18:18:22 <flo> thanks
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18:18:33 <Mic> clokep_work beat me to it.
18:18:52 <Mic> instantbot: faq
18:18:53 <instantbot> Mic: hmm... I think faq is http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html
18:18:53 <clokep_work> gmoro_: It's https://bugzilla.instantbird.org
18:19:08 <kelopez> holy sheet
18:19:11 <kelopez> xD
18:19:12 <kelopez> nvm
18:19:39 <clokep_work> Or is there a particular reason you wantd it in the title? :)
18:20:08 <gmoro_> clokep_work: just to easy to new users find it out
18:20:09 <gmoro_> :)
18:20:23 <clokep_work> Hmm...it makes it long though.
18:20:28 <gmoro_> yeap
18:20:33 <gmoro_> not so good
18:20:39 topic changed by clokep_work to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.0 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/|File bugs: https://bug"
18:20:48 topic changed by clokep_work to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.0 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/"
18:20:55 <clokep_work> Too long apparently. :-D
18:20:58 <kelopez> this is my IM status: ""¡La mensajería instantánea nunca había sido tan fácil!" http://www.instantbird.com"
18:21:44 <clokep_work> :)
18:22:12 <kelopez> I'm Chilean, that explains the Spanish tagline :P
18:23:48 <clokep_work> I recognized it as Spanish, needed to use Google Translate though. :)
18:24:48 <kelopez> ha
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18:32:08 <Mic> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/06/cross-platform-messaging-client.html
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18:48:42 <clokep_work> Decent article. :) They at least read some of the blog, etc.
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19:01:17 <Guest> /rules
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19:09:46 <Mic> good evening
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19:18:28 <flo> I didn't realize I would have my photo on so many websites ;)
19:19:12 <clokep_work> Hahahah. It's a good photo at least. :)
19:21:46 <flo> using a picture of me was the best way I found to ensure nobody would sue us about copyright violation blahblahblah for using a random picture :)
19:22:29 <clokep_work> :)
19:24:04 <flo> I have a silly question: what are we going to do tomorrow? :-D
19:24:59 <clokep_work> Party? ;)
19:25:27 <clokep_work> Bikeshed about versions most likely and update to Mozilla 6 and Pidgin 2.9.? :)
19:27:59 <flo> count the downloads maybe?
19:30:00 <clokep_work> That too! :)
19:36:04 <clokep_work> http://www.dimido.de/instantbird-multimessenger-in-finalen-version-1-0-erschienen
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19:37:55 <flo> clokep_work: it's the one who crashed on 0.4
19:37:58 <clokep_work> Ah that says the 0.4 crashes, is that where that was from earlier?
19:37:59 <clokep_work> Yes.
19:38:14 <aleth> 0.4?
19:38:30 <flo> aleth: don't worry, they know better than we do ;).
19:38:45 <flo> some users are great to make things up and even post them publicly.
19:39:17 <flo> http://ubuntu.onego.ru/articles/apps/instantbird-1-0/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
19:40:52 <flo> I don't know why that claims instantbird can't send a message to notify OSD
19:41:00 <flo> or maybe he tried on ubuntu 64bits?
19:42:11 <aleth> tomorrow you can make one of those funky map visualizations for where it is being downloaded ;)
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19:43:18 <aleth> the messaging menu thing is just the ubuntu system tray replacement for IM etc
19:43:26 <clokep_work> Yeah.
19:43:35 <clokep_work> But they want everyone to integrate into it. :P Annoying.
19:43:41 <aleth> yes
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19:44:06 <aleth> as if 2 standards wasnt enough...
19:44:14 <clokep_work> Yup. :(
19:44:25 <clokep_work> Right, now Linux is 3 platforms itself.
19:44:32 <clokep_work> GNOME, KDE and Unity.
19:44:55 <aleth> Will be interesting to see how well Unity does. Personally I think it's a trainwreck (so far) but of course tastes vary
19:45:18 <clokep_work> I haven't actually used it yet.
19:45:25 <aleth> Haven't tried the new Gnome either
19:45:26 <clokep_work> Last time I used Linux it was Debian.
19:45:54 <clokep_work> (Like...command line...)
19:45:58 <aleth> hehe
19:46:09 <clokep_work> But anyway, a heat map of downloads would be nice. ;) Idk if we have the proper data to do that though.
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19:47:09 <flo> the apache log has the IPs
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19:50:37 <flo> pretty decent :) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opennet.ru%2Fopennews%2Fart.shtml%3Fnum%3D31026
19:50:47 <aleth> heh, i had this tab open with twitter instantbird earlier, now it is full of people testing the twitter support
19:51:16 <flo> I saw only 2 or 3
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20:04:47 <aleth> http://www.wmlcloud.com/windows/get-instantbird-multi-messenger-alternative-to-pidgin/
20:04:53 <clokep_work> Hmm....so what to work on next...
20:04:55 <aleth> did you email all those blogs?
20:05:29 <aleth> or are they picking it up from each other
20:05:42 <clokep_work> Picking it up from each other.
20:05:42 <flo> the latter
20:05:55 <flo> and some are taking it from our rss feed (or planet mozilla's rss feed)
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20:08:18 <flo> clokep_work: I'm really not sure for what's next. It's tempting to either scratch lots of itches. Or start something big.
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20:09:39 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Like adding richtext or a better "new chat" tab.
20:10:16 <flo> the "new chat" tab I want depends on having usable logs
20:10:37 <flo> (or at least, I want to know which conversations are used the most)
20:10:57 <clokep_work> Ah, I forgot about that. :(
20:11:39 <flo> the itches I have in mind are for example: being able to close/hide conversation tabs and have them stored in the contacts window
20:11:51 <flo> getting rid of the totally stupid IRC tabs I have after each reconnect
20:12:00 <flo> (= merging JS-IRC?)
20:12:30 <clokep_work> My priority is going to be JS-IRC. I'd like you at se point to take a look at how I have it arranged now and offer comments.
20:12:31 <flo> starting something big would be starting to experiment with new log formats
20:13:04 <clokep_work> (Not really a code review, but a higher level review.)
20:13:11 <flo> or maybe to experiment with XMPP and what can be done with P2P connections ;)
20:13:32 <clokep_work> You can do that with IRC too. :P
20:13:35 <aleth> XMPP supports VoIP
20:13:48 <aleth> well, voice chats
20:13:55 <clokep_work> And video.
20:14:00 <clokep_work> Idk what programs really support it though.
20:14:07 <clokep_work> GTalk supports it's own twisted version.
20:14:09 <aleth> _that_ would probably be a big project
20:14:11 <flo> I'm surprised nobody though about file transfer first :-P
20:14:30 <clokep_work> flo: My first thought was whiteboarding! :-D
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20:14:59 <flo> clokep_work: that typewithme thing should really be handled in Instantbird ;)
20:15:06 <aleth> that would be cool
20:15:13 <flo> wait, can we make a protocol plugin for it?
20:15:24 <flo> it's a MUC with a different content in the conversation browser
20:15:39 <flo> sounds like a fun add-on to write :)
20:15:53 <clokep_work> flo: Well it's actually two simultaneous conversations, isn't it?
20:15:53 <aleth> coccinella for example has svg whiteboarding support
20:16:13 <flo> clokep_work: 2?
20:16:26 <clokep_work> It's a MUC (there's chat on the side) + the shared document.
20:16:38 <flo> ah, I didn't know about the chat
20:16:45 <flo> is it actually useful?
20:17:05 <clokep_work> Probably not. :)
20:17:12 <clokep_work> Not if you are using it via IRC, etc.
20:17:13 <aleth> developed by the US Joint Forces Command, as I just discovered
20:18:22 <aleth> What would be useful would be a shared *text* space
20:18:31 * clokep_work is checking whether there's an API....although I'm sure it's not very complicated.
20:18:40 <clokep_work> aleth: That's what we're discussing right now. ;)
20:19:00 <flo> we don't need an API
20:19:05 <flo> just put it in the browser
20:19:07 <aleth> ah :) I thought whiteboarding always referred to SVG
20:19:09 <flo> hide the useless parts with CSS
20:19:18 <flo> and do some JS magic to get the nicklist changes
20:19:51 <clokep_work> :) OK.
20:20:12 <clokep_work> Well whiteboarding usually refers to like freedrawing, but the conversation morphed.
20:20:26 <flo> how is that side funded by the way? I haven't noticed ads there
20:20:37 <clokep_work> I hvae no idea.
20:20:45 <clokep_work> The software itself is free, open-source though.
20:20:54 <flo> really?
20:20:57 <flo> that's even better!
20:20:57 <clokep_work> So we could put it onto ib.org if we wanted.
20:21:00 <clokep_work> Yes, it's just etherpad.
20:21:02 <flo> we could install it
20:21:18 <clokep_work> flo: http://etherpad.org/
20:21:29 <flo> and have instantbird use it between each others, and others have a link <with some ads on the page!> to fund us :)
20:21:46 <aleth> But if you host it centrally, how do you ensure privacy?
20:21:56 <aleth> Sounds like work
20:22:07 <flo> can it be adapted to be hosted on google app engine, so that we have nothing to pay for it?
20:22:07 <clokep_work> The point of them is that they're open...if you have the link.
20:22:16 <clokep_work> Someone has probably done it.
20:22:41 <flo> I would like to host a pastebin there too
20:22:42 <aleth> Ah right, you are basically thinking of integrating a web app
20:22:56 <clokep_work> aleth: Although that site does say something about "private" ones with a pro account...not sure exactly how that's done. :)
20:23:19 <aleth> clokep_work: by crossing fingers and trusting them probably ;)
20:23:24 <flo> clokep_work: that probably some marketing BS for "https" ;)
20:23:47 <aleth> heh, like Dropbox
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20:24:33 <aleth> flo: But an integrated pastebin would be excellent
20:24:37 <flo> I'm ashamed of how many typos I make today :(
20:24:55 <flo> I tried to proofread at least twice the emails I sent to journalists but :(
20:25:19 <flo> aleth: it's already planned
20:25:59 <aleth> nice :)
20:25:59 <flo> but before implementing that, I should try to remember that we are just pidgin with some funky themes and consuming more memory. :-P
20:26:38 <aleth> but less crashes than 0.4 :p
20:26:44 <aleth> so there is hope :)
20:28:18 <clokep_work> Time for me to go I think. I'll be back later to work on JS-IRC and/or SIPE. ;)
20:28:44 <flo> I can probably help you with SIPE if you give me the source ;)
20:29:44 <clokep_work> Yes, I figured. :) I was waiting until after the release before I asked for real help.
20:30:34 <clokep_work> Bye!
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20:36:04 <ig0rk0> flo ping
20:36:52 <flo> ig0rk0: no :-P
20:36:58 <ig0rk0> Modifying install.rdf: i need to replace <!-- Firefox -->etc with <!-- Instantbird //--> or add it below?
20:37:18 <flo> doesn't matter, both work
20:37:55 <ig0rk0> ok. And second question I unpacked xpi with 7zip How to pack it back? ;)
20:39:36 <ig0rk0> (i 'm too lazy to read full faq ;))
20:39:37 <flo> it's just a zip
20:39:44 <ig0rk0> ok
20:39:49 <flo> so zip it and then rename .zip -> .xpi
20:40:01 <ig0rk0> yeah got it
20:41:20 <ig0rk0> need to update app...
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20:45:06 <flo> hello :)
20:45:16 <groovecoder> hey all! I'm trying IB 1.0 today and I like it! but, how do I enable growl notifications on Mac?
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20:46:15 <ig0rk0> http://pastie.org/2136213 it's chrome.manifest. What need i to change here?
20:46:54 <flo> groovecoder: there's an option on the "General" tab of the preference window for that
20:47:08 <flo> "notify of new messages in inactive windows" I think
20:47:22 <flo> (not sure of the wording, I'm currently running a localized version)
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20:47:59 <groovecoder> cool, I think I found that right before you said that because your "groovecoder: ..." message came up in growl ;)
20:48:26 <flo> if you need/want it also for status changes of your contacts, there's an add-on for that
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20:48:50 <groovecoder> now my only other cord back to Adium is all of the chat logs I had there. does IB have a chat log viewer?
20:49:02 <flo> yes
20:49:13 <flo> it needs some love, but we have a very basic one
20:49:29 <flo> in the future we would like to import and convert the logs of the previous client so that they are all in one place :)
20:49:42 <flo> (that's a lot of work though!)
20:49:46 <groovecoder> flo: yeah that'd be awesome
20:50:00 <groovecoder> as is, I like InstantBird a lot
20:50:12 <flo> thanks :)
20:50:38 <groovecoder> I think IM was my last non-Mozilla app
20:50:47 <flo> ahah :)
20:50:48 <groovecoder> now I'm on Songbird, Thunderbird, Instantbird, and Firefox
20:50:56 <groovecoder> and Terminal+vim
20:51:11 <flo> maybe we will have a mozilla terminal someday :)
20:51:23 <groovecoder> I'm holding out for Mozilla operating system :)
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20:51:45 <flo> I almost know one ;)
20:51:45 <groovecoder> of course, operating system and browsers are starting to converge, so ... it may actually happen
20:51:59 <aleth> and vice versa http://bellard.org/jslinux/ ;)
20:52:10 <groovecoder> yeah
20:52:23 <groovecoder> anyway, thanks for the note. and congrats on the 1.0 release!
20:52:31 <flo> thanks :)
20:52:47 <groovecoder> if you have any developer docs, you should host them over with us at developer.mozilla.org! ;)
20:53:03 <flo> "with us"?
20:53:18 <ig0rk0> flo could you watch that paste?
20:53:39 <ig0rk0> it's integrated in instant but seems doesn't work :(
20:53:58 <flo> what is it supposed to do?
20:54:12 <flo> It's trying to plug itself on the browser window of Firefox (which we don't have)
20:54:34 <flo> you should do that either on the contact list or the conversations  window (or both, depending on what the add-on is trying to do)
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21:01:17 <ig0rk0> what is gd12 ?
21:02:10 <flo> the name of your add-on obviously
21:02:27 <ig0rk0> hm...
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21:02:56 <flo> which add-on is this?
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21:05:08 <ig0rk0> hm I see it in mouse context menu
21:05:53 <ig0rk0> interesting how  "translate page" could work in Instantbird :)
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21:17:30 <aleth> lol https://twitter.com/#!/gorakhargosh/status/85804969793560576
21:19:08 <ig0rk0> it doesn't work :(
21:21:53 <ig0rk0> how can i edit jar file?
21:22:01 <ig0rk0> without any IDE...
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21:22:16 <aleth> you have to unpack it
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21:23:15 <flo> ig0rk0: the jar is another renamed zip
21:23:26 <ig0rk0> zip is around us :)
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21:27:40 <ig0rk0> it's not too much comlicated...
21:27:51 <ig0rk0> but anyway it doesn't work :)
21:28:32 <deOmega> so..., i see this was launched on the same day as Thunderbird 5?  :)   All planned ahead, huh?
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21:30:26 <flo> I had no idea about the Thunderbird launch date
21:30:48 <aleth> Google+ launched today too
21:30:53 <aleth> popular date :p
21:32:38 <deOmega>  Then,  good instinct :)
21:41:06 <kelopez> thunderbird 5 wtf
21:41:56 <kelopez> last version was 3
21:43:17 <flo> it's just a Fibonacci based numbering scheme ;)
21:43:35 <aleth> now there's an idea
21:43:40 <aleth> reminds me of the TeX version numbering
21:44:08 <deOmega> kelopez: yeah, saw the update just after i updated to 3.something :)
21:44:43 <kelopez> lol
21:44:47 <kelopez> that is werid
21:44:51 <kelopez> weird
21:45:48 <flo> I know a project that went from 0.3 to 1.0 overnight, so 3.0 to 5.0 may not be that big of a jump after all ;)
21:46:29 <deOmega> I wonder which project is that :)
21:46:36 <kelopez> wink wink
21:46:40 <kelopez> ;) ;)
21:46:56 <deOmega> but seriously, launched on the same day and bumped  similarly :)
21:47:44 <deOmega> one would think there is some kind of synchronization.
21:47:57 <flo> are there major changes in that thunderbird release?
21:48:21 <deOmega> Very major from my perspective
21:48:37 <deOmega> for one, it is fully glass, same way  IB became fully glass
21:49:12 <deOmega> actually... IB has a pad behind the tabs whereas firefox and TB do not.  it just has that area as glass or whatever it is called
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21:51:13 <deOmega> will harass mic about that after he gets some rest lol
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21:52:24 <kelopez> how can I force 
21:52:26 <kelopez> nvm
21:52:26 <kelopez> xD
21:54:33 <deOmega> I never understood why minimize to tray, does not seem appealing as a non-addon feature for tbird..  especially when one runs  calendars with alarms.
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21:54:59 <deOmega> I am in trouble if  tbird is not running.
21:55:50 * clokep doesn't minimize Tb to tray. ;)
21:56:07 <deOmega> how do you handle it?
21:56:08 <clokep> The problem is that the developers could never degree on a good API fo tray support, that's why it's not part of the toolkit.
21:56:15 <clokep> I minimize to the Windows 7 taskbar.
21:56:34 <deOmega> so then you hit minimize?
21:56:44 <clokep> Or I just leave it in the background, but yes.
21:58:19 <deOmega> man, i wish i could show you my taskbar during the  day.   packed
21:58:31 <flo> has anybody tried summiting something to slashdot?
21:58:50 <flo> if it's packed, call Mic :-P
21:59:02 <clokep> My taskbar is rather packed too. ;)
21:59:07 <deOmega> minimize to tray is not working in it now, so i have to work with what you do.
21:59:21 <deOmega> man, and it doe snot get in teh way?
21:59:29 <clokep> deOmega: You don't need the extension anymore with 0.3b1 or 1.0.
21:59:48 <flo> he's talking about thunderbird
21:59:56 <deOmega> oh, i meant TB, i am sorry.  TBird 5
22:00:19 <clokep> Ohhhh, sorry.
22:00:27 <clokep> The problem w/ binary components. ;)
22:00:39 <deOmega> what i get for discussing an unrelated product hehe
22:00:53 <clokep> The author is very responsive, he'll have it fixed soon I'm sure.
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22:01:06 <kelopez> I've posted info about IB here: http://malwareup.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2620
22:01:49 <clokep> And no, I haven't posted to slashdot flo, I try to stay away from that site.
22:02:01 <deOmega> it is there
22:02:11 <kelopez> no
22:02:13 <kelopez> /. no
22:02:34 <kelopez> it will make a heater of the servers xD
22:03:10 <deOmega> http://freshmeat.net/projects/instantbird?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+freshmeat%2Ffeeds%2Ffm-releases-global+%28Freshmeat%3A+All+Software%29#release_333636
22:03:15 <flo> kelopez: if that makes more users, I don't care about how warm the server is ;)
22:03:29 <kelopez> ok
22:03:35 <deOmega> that is supposed to be via slashdot
22:04:19 <flo> deOmega: I posted on freshmeat ;)
22:04:22 <kelopez> ok 
22:04:23 <kelopez> so
22:04:40 <deOmega> oh, i was going by this  :)
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22:04:54 <deOmega> wel, by the google live feed
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22:05:23 <kelopez> http://blog.a1arte.com/instantbird-cliente-de-mensajeria-multiplataforma-con-variedad-de-servicios/
22:06:13 <deOmega> I see flo :)
22:07:05 <kelopez> hm
22:07:31 <kelopez> why there is instantbird.com (or instantbird.im) AND instantbird.org 
22:07:32 <kelopez> ?
22:08:28 <kelopez> anyway I'm gonna make an account at the wiki
22:08:33 <flo> kelopez: one for the product, one for the project
22:08:44 <kelopez> ok
22:09:03 <flo> (another way to say it is: .com is for users, .org for contributors)
22:09:21 <kelopez> ok
22:09:37 <kelopez> flo what's the software that powers the addons' website?
22:09:52 <clokep> It's remora, Mozilla's old add-on site software, It's in the HG repo.
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22:10:30 <kelopez> ok thx
22:10:39 <kelopez> lulz "Warning: Remora is no longer maintained"
22:11:51 <flo> clokep: so what's the problem with that site?
22:11:59 <clokep> flo: What site?
22:12:00 <flo> Isn't it a good way to attract more potential users?
22:12:04 <flo> /.
22:12:09 <clokep> Ohhhh.
22:12:13 <kelopez> slashdot barrapunto
22:12:15 <clokep> I just don't understand it. :)
22:12:21 <clokep> Yes, it's a good way to attract more usres.
22:12:28 <clokep> Just a lot of people on it are dumba nd it frustrates me.
22:13:00 <flo> how do they select articles?
22:13:24 <flo> we have no obligation of replying to all the dumb comments ;)
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22:14:40 <kelopez> 02:26:53 <kelopez> hey guys, sup
22:14:41 <kelopez> xD
22:15:33 <clokep> I don't know how they select stuff. :-/
22:15:35 <flo> hmm, so what should I put in that submit story form? :-S
22:15:46 <clokep> The press release? ;)
22:15:58 <flo> for the link yes
22:16:14 <flo> but I'm looking for a catchy title
22:16:35 <flo> I wanted "Mozilla based Instant messaging: Instantbird 1.0 released" but it's too long (cut after "1.0 r")
22:17:00 <kelopez> Mozilla based IM
22:17:02 <kelopez> ;)
22:17:20 <clokep> Or just say "messaging"?
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22:18:57 <flo> "Mozilla based messaging: Instantbird 1.0 released" works, only 1 character left :-D
22:19:09 <kelopez> xD
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22:19:47 <kelopez> you give the link to the story ;)
22:20:39 <flo> in the "Your Scoop:" box, is it OK if I just put the second and third paragraph of the press release (the URL of which I put in the "Story Url:" box)
22:20:51 <clokep> Probably.
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22:25:21 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/841
22:27:31 <flo> sounds ok?
22:27:33 <clokep> Looks fine. :)
22:28:27 <flo> the press release may not be the good link to put
22:28:33 <flo> the download link isn't obvious enough on it
22:28:55 <flo> I'll put the blog post instead
22:31:02 <flo> http://slashdot.org/submission/1682306/Mozilla-based-messaging-Instantbird-10-released
22:32:19 <flo> so should we ask people to create an account, log in and vote for it? :-S
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22:32:36 <flo> should we also put links on digg and similar sites?
22:32:53 <clokep> Probably.
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22:34:18 <kelopez> "Anonymous Coward"
22:34:19 <kelopez> XD
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22:43:19 <deOmega> redd.it/ibqcb
22:43:57 <deOmega> Someone is going to start a war or words  lol
22:44:21 <aleth> now there's a friendly comment :(
22:44:30 <deOmega> Is there any support for encryption between clients? Pretty much the only reason I still use trillian.
22:44:36 <clokep> No.
22:44:41 <clokep> We don't support OTR yet.
22:44:44 <clokep> We want to though.
22:44:47 <clokep> (off the record)
22:45:03 <deOmega> so teh best response is no response 
22:45:12 <clokep> Probably.
22:45:38 <clokep> I really don't understand how someone can say it looks like a "shitter version of Pidgin", seriously. Does no one look at Pidgin?
22:47:12 <aleth> wins the prize for Most Unlikely Comment
22:47:26 <aleth> but then, the guy took max 10 minutes to make up his mind...
22:48:12 <clokep> Yup! :)
22:48:21 <clokep> Anyway I'd rather develop then watch comments. ;)
22:49:09 <kelopez> "This story has 0 Comments" :(
22:50:33 <deOmega> ok, here is another on reddit
22:50:36 <deOmega> redd.it/ibi6o
22:50:55 <deOmega> hmm
22:50:58 <deOmega> http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/ibi6o/instantbird_10_released_crossplatform/
22:52:03 <aleth> an improvement
22:52:05 <kelopez> "Why is it so hard for open source devs to use a standard MSI for windows installations? Your install.exe breaks s***. Stop it.
22:52:05 <kelopez> "
22:52:32 <kelopez> -"hopefully doesn't leak like pidgin when used exclusively in remote desktop environment..."
22:52:32 <kelopez> -"What does pidgin leak?"
22:52:32 <kelopez> -"Bird poo" XD
22:52:50 <deOmega> rotflol
22:52:59 <clokep> I believe mbrubeck is a Mozilla guy?
22:53:47 <aleth> clicking on his name brings up tons of firefox related posts
22:54:09 <deOmega> http://twitter.com/#!/mbrubeck
22:54:50 <deOmega> alright guys, i am  really out of here now. have a great evening and the rest you deserve.  night
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23:37:24 <clokep> flo1: If you want to get rid of tabs in IRC&gt;...JS-IRC might not help out. ;)
23:37:36 <clokep> Just signed into moznet and freenode and had six tabs open. :P
23:37:57 <clokep> (2 servers, 2 NickServs, Silver and a services tab)
23:37:57 <flo1> what will help is that I can hack it ;)
23:38:15 <flo1> Silver opens on connect?
23:38:26 <clokep> He pings everyone w/ VERSION.
23:38:41 <clokep> (Everyone that comes into #chatzilla, i.e. what I'm going to do in #instantbird)
23:39:04 <flo1> that should go to the error console, not a conversation tab
23:39:17 <clokep> I haven't implemented handling of VERSION yet. ;)
23:41:21 <flo1> there's someone asking for deleting/removing tags again
23:41:25 <flo1> (in a blog comment)
23:41:32 <flo1> what could be a decent UI for that?
23:42:45 <clokep> An 'x' on the side? ;)
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23:45:05 <clokep> I'm seriously not sure though.
23:45:26 <clokep> Maybe a "manage tags" UI? But we shouldn't really need to do that.
23:45:35 <flo1> an 'x' inside a menu item? bleah
23:45:57 <clokep> Can we just do a "Delete tag" on the context menu?
23:46:01 <clokep> (When you click on a tag)
23:46:03 <flo1> can we just completely hide tags that have no buddies?
23:46:17 <clokep> I think so.
23:46:24 <flo1> if it's empty it won't be displayed, so you can't click it
23:46:25 <flo1> I think the annoyance is that it clutters the list
23:46:26 <clokep> The add buddy window lists all the tags anyway.
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23:48:56 <flo1> have you seen that love letter on the contact mailing list?
23:49:27 <clokep> Mhhm. :)
23:54:08 <clokep> Make me all warm inside. :)
23:56:07 <kelopez> lolz
23:56:19 <kelopez> cya guys
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