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00:00:47 <flo> I think for lots of people 1.0 means "first version" :-S 00:00:59 * hicham is looking in the log for a conversation about the reasons to not use system purple 00:01:42 <flo> good luck :) 00:01:58 <aleth> maybe sell it as "it's ready!" 00:02:37 <aleth> For Windows people, 1.0 definitely is "first official release" 00:03:10 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 00:03:38 <deOmega> I am pondering .. dramatically enhanced instantbird 1.0 00:03:41 <aleth> But that's unfair as Instantbird has been tested much more thoroughly than your typical traditional 1.0 00:03:56 <hicham> flo: finally someone is interested in doing the review 00:04:07 <flo> :) 00:04:17 <hicham> flo : but we currently have xulrunner-5, did you test it ? 00:04:19 <flo> can we talk about this tomorrow or later this week? 00:04:25 <flo> oh, no 00:04:45 <hicham> ok, as you like 00:04:51 <hicham> I know it is late in France 00:04:54 <flo> and it's something we need to discuss (how often they are going to updated xulrunner) 00:10:22 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 00:21:29 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 00:27:03 <aleth> good luck for today! :D 00:30:28 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 00:35:40 <deOmega> so.. i am thinking that many will just read or see the first line of teh release 00:36:15 <deOmega> and it should be short and nice as it is. 00:36:52 <deOmega> how about something like this: The Instantbird team is pleased to announce Instantbird 1.0, released today in 11 locales and polished for full distribution 00:38:22 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 00:39:24 <deOmega> or simply: The Instantbird team is pleased to announce a polished Instantbird 1.0, released today in 11 locales. 00:39:40 --> flo has joined #instantbird 00:39:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 00:40:48 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 00:41:26 <flo> this last one sounds nice! :) 00:42:10 <deOmega> awesome. 00:55:21 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 00:58:54 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 01:00:01 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 01:00:49 --> flo has joined #instantbird 01:00:50 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 01:11:40 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 01:21:45 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 01:33:43 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 01:34:29 --> flo has joined #instantbird 01:34:29 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 01:47:31 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 01:53:01 <deOmega> I made a mistake when saying multiprotocol.. was referring to cross platform. This should show up in the second line. 01:55:11 <flo> there's "Although Instantbird is fully cross-platform (Windows, Mac OS X, Linux), we strive to present a native look-and-feel to the user interface." already 01:56:27 <deOmega> Instantbird is a cross-platform, extremely easy to use and highly extensible instant messaging client that aims to respect its users! 01:57:42 <deOmega> i saw that flo, but i think it is mentioned a bit too late 01:58:41 <deOmega> if you make no further changes, it is still great to me, but I had to clarify what i was aiming at earlier, for whatever it may be worth. 02:00:01 <deOmega> have a great evening. I have to leave 02:00:23 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 02:22:36 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 02:23:07 --> flo has joined #instantbird 02:23:07 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 02:26:32 --> kelopez has joined #instantbird 02:26:53 <kelopez> hey guys, sup 02:27:33 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 02:34:13 --> hicham_ has joined #instantbird 02:34:17 <-- hicham_ has quit (Quit: اÙسÙا٠عÙÙÙÙ ) 02:35:32 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:35:48 <clokep> Goodnight! 02:35:50 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 02:35:54 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:38:33 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 02:52:55 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 03:14:02 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 03:21:41 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 03:21:53 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 03:32:22 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 03:41:04 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 03:41:51 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 03:47:50 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 04:15:13 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 04:18:11 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 04:22:12 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 04:39:45 <-- kelopez has left #instantbird () 04:50:20 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 04:51:13 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 05:29:02 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:35:03 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 05:44:19 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 06:04:02 --> mepine_ has joined #instantbird 06:05:10 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 06:05:11 * mepine_ is now known as mepine 06:17:26 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 07:01:21 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 07:04:29 --> sunlix has joined #instantbird 07:06:07 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 07:06:39 <sunlix> good mornung 07:26:02 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 07:50:00 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 07:51:07 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 08:10:13 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 08:17:35 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:20:06 --> fqueze_ has joined #instantbird 08:21:38 <fqueze_> good morning :-) 08:22:14 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 08:22:58 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 08:30:04 <sunlix> flo, can you tell me when you will release 1.0? 08:30:35 <fqueze_> if things go as expected, 3pm French time today 08:30:58 <fqueze_> if we have unexpected issues, well... as soon as possible after that time ;) 08:33:01 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-xr [XULRunner 2.0b13pre/20110304030406]) 08:35:38 <sunlix> thanks, germany dont have any time shifts ;-) so 3pm will be right on here ;-) 08:42:02 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:42:03 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:43:36 <flo> sunlix: who has posted that news already? :-S 08:44:08 <sunlix> whatà 08:44:51 <flo> http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/instantbird-multi-messenger-in-version-1-0-ist-da-totgesagte-leben-laenger where is that coming from? 08:45:00 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:45:37 <sunlix> oh what? I inform him for alter news in his blog. didnt know about this post. 08:45:45 <sunlix> for later news 08:45:51 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 08:51:36 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 08:52:00 <flo> sunlix: he doesn't seem to understand the word "later" then 08:52:13 <sunlix> i see 08:52:40 <hicham> morning 09:00:05 <hicham> flo : interested in getting IB in fedora repos ? 09:00:24 <flo> sunlix: come on, you twitted publicly the press-release url with the download link in it. 09:00:43 <flo> hicham: of course. But today is release day, so I don't have time now ;) 09:01:27 <hicham> flo : ok, I understand, good luck with the release :) 09:04:25 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 09:05:35 <sunlix> i am sry, really. i see its part of my fail. i tweeted this to inform him about the release during this day 09:09:46 <flo> you tweeted it publicly, not to him. 09:10:19 <flo> (I see your tweet in my timeline ;)) 09:13:49 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 09:14:59 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:18:44 <-- hicham has quit (Quit: اÙسÙا٠عÙÙÙÙ ) 09:22:10 <flo> it seems they are all so eager to talk about it that they don't have time to download it to make their own screenshots 09:31:34 <flo> I think we will release with code.google.com as the default download location 09:31:56 <flo> it has nice URLs that we can redirect to, and unlike sourceforge it doesn't impose ads before the download starts 09:34:48 <flo> and I'm also keeping sourceforge ready but disabled by default, "just in case" 10:10:52 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 10:11:25 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:11:25 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:17:05 <clokep> Good morning. 10:17:57 <flo> clokep: hello :) 10:18:14 <flo> the Mozilla Links guy replied he will talk about ib 1.0 once it's released 10:21:57 <clokep> That's fair enough. 10:22:10 <clokep> I didn't get any replies yet. 10:23:33 <flo> hosting on google seems way better than on sourceforge 10:26:58 <clokep> Can we direct link to the downloads there? 10:27:05 <flo> yes :) 10:27:20 <flo> but we will keep linking to ib.com/download/1.0/<filename> so that we can count ;) 10:27:20 <clokep> :) 10:27:33 <flo> and it's just a redirect 10:27:36 <flo> (already in place on staging) 10:27:36 <clokep> Right! 10:28:05 <flo> I have 2 high capacity mirror networks ready: https://hg.instantbird.org/websites/www.instantbird.com/rev/706b4acb8e5f 10:29:21 --> SoehnelS has joined #instantbird 10:29:30 <clokep> :) 10:29:38 <SoehnelS> Hi @ all 10:29:43 <flo> hello 10:29:46 <clokep> Hello SoehnelS. 10:30:21 <SoehnelS> Could evryone tell me, how to list the channels of an irc server? 10:30:41 <SoehnelS> "/ list" does'nt do anything... 10:30:57 <SoehnelS> (without the space of course...) 10:31:29 <-- SoehnelS has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 10:32:03 --> SoehnelS has joined #instantbird 10:32:49 <-- SoehnelS has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 10:33:06 --> SoehnelS has joined #instantbird 10:33:54 <-- SoehnelS has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 10:34:42 <clokep> Ah-ha, you can shut off that terrible hiding of http via preference. 10:35:10 <flo> things seem to be in good shape. I think there's less than an hour worth of work on the server to be ready to announce the release. 10:35:30 <flo> of course, we also need to write the blog post of the announcement :) 10:36:40 <clokep> Of course. 10:37:42 <clokep> Is listing all the rooms on an IRC server something people do often? 10:37:52 <clokep> I generally only go into rooms I find other places... 10:38:15 <flo> I still need to make a few backup, hack around that font issue, hack around a stupid localizability issue for the instantbird.org page, then get a mirror in sync, and then switch www and www-staging :) 10:38:40 <flo> clokep: I think people do it each time they connect to a server for the first time 10:39:00 <flo> so not having it is bad for the first time experience, but doesn't hurt much the real use (if we haven't left the user before) 10:39:44 <clokep> Ah, perhaps. :) 10:40:47 <flo> ok, going to go get lunch 10:42:36 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 10:45:41 --> SoehnelS has joined #instantbird 10:45:56 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 10:46:23 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 10:46:35 <-- SoehnelS has left #instantbird () 10:55:54 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:55:54 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:56:45 <Mic> Hi 10:56:45 <-- fqueze_ has quit (Ping timeout) 10:59:10 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 11:02:55 <Mic> The blog is not reachable at the moment, is that known or expected? 11:06:49 <Mic> The download-all on the staging page is partially german and english, is that known/expected, FeuerFliege? 11:08:07 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 11:09:21 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 11:10:38 <Mic> meeh: http://drice.org/2011/06/28/instantbird-erreicht-version-1-0/ -> ~"Instantbird is something for you if you like to play around with themes or message styles, no real extra value compared to Pidgin":( 11:16:39 <aleth> mic: but! https://twitter.com/#!/Gicos/status/85478165622947840 11:17:10 <Mic> :) 11:17:41 <Mic> What a pity that the download adress was apparantly leaked :( 11:28:28 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 11:37:45 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:37:45 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:40:20 <aleth> clokep_work: NickServ problem gone today after reboot. Weird. 11:40:50 <clokep_work> aleth: My guess is your connecting to a different server. 11:41:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Apparently journalists all skip the paragraph that says "Hey, don't link to this press release or download link until after we announce, please!" That article up front says "I only tried it for a few minutes". I don't really know how you test software for only a "few" minutes. :-/ 11:42:05 <aleth> clokep_work: that sounds plausible. I very much doubt the reboot had anything to do with it 11:46:14 <clokep_work> Probably not. :) Glad it's working now though. 11:46:21 <aleth> 1.0 produces a warning that was absent in 0.3 afaik: 11:46:21 <aleth> "Warning: WARN addons.updates: Error: Missing updates property for urn:mozilla:theme:{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd} 11:46:21 <aleth> Source File: resource://gre/modules/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm 11:46:21 <aleth> Line: 472" 11:47:53 <aleth> (Or maybe its former absence was due to the nightly having updates turned off?) 11:48:11 <clokep_work> Nightlys don't have updates turned off, they update every night. ;) 11:48:22 <aleth> heh :) 11:48:55 <aleth> I assume that's the default theme trying to update itself 11:48:58 <clokep_work> That warning isn't anything to worry about though, pretty sure it's just complaining that the default theme doesn't have an update property...since it's included. :P 11:49:02 <clokep_work> Yeah, I think so. 11:49:18 <clokep_work> We should definitely fix it, but it's not a big deal. File a bug if we don't hae one maybe? 11:50:00 <Mic> I'm about to post an answer to this article, if nobody minds. 11:50:46 <Mic> I've written that we offer Pidgin-Protocols combined with the absolute Mozilla-awesomeness (not in these words of course;) 11:53:21 <clokep_work> Yes, saying something about how extensions can do more than themes and message styles maybe? 11:53:25 <aleth> I've added it as a comment to bug 487 11:53:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487 nor, --, ---, raynaudquentin, ASSI, Updates throw info message (RFC 5746 -- SSL/TLS) in Instantbird 11:54:15 <flo> so what's this problem with the blog? 11:56:50 <flo> ok, fixed 11:56:56 <flo> it was just a typo in the apache conf file 11:57:40 <flo> I'm moving lots of things around to have the most important websites hosted on 2 servers 11:57:42 <clokep_work> aleth: That bug is entirely unrelated. :-/ 11:57:55 <clokep_work> But that's OK. 11:58:21 <Mic> It's german but here's what I posted: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/839 11:59:25 <Mic> I couldn't help adding "if you had waited for the official release, you could have read the release notes first" as P.S. ;) 11:59:44 <clokep_work> Google Translate's crappy translation for people who don't speak German: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/840 11:59:45 <clokep_work> :) 11:59:55 <aleth> clokep_work: Oh, sorry. I took it to be the bug for "unneccessary warnings" 12:00:08 <flo> Mic: I think the leaked download URL contains the release notes though ;) 12:00:28 <flo> but it's pretty clear that people who are in a rush to publish not yet released stuff don't have time to read anything before posting 12:00:42 <Mic> Welcome to the Twitter-age :P 12:01:03 <clokep_work> aleth: It's OK! Generally we try to keep all of our bugs small and specific to certain things. :) 12:01:14 <flo> Mic: have you included something about restartless add-ons? :) 12:01:23 <flo> yes, you have 12:01:29 * flo should read too :-D 12:02:01 <Mic> Yes, I said we support restartless addons like Fx4, js-ctypes to connect to native libraries without need for compiled code, easy conversion of Adium themes, .. 12:02:15 <flo> yes, I've read it now ^^ 12:03:06 <clokep_work> Unfortunately on Linux we probably don't look all that much better than Pidgin. :-/ 12:03:25 <clokep_work> Not as dramatically as on Windows, say. 12:03:27 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 12:03:46 <Mic> It seems Google transalation doesn't like multi-clause sentences at all :D 12:04:09 <clokep_work> Google Translate is pretty bad, but it let's me get the gist of stuff. 12:04:32 <flo> Mic: if I had replied, it reply would have been much shorter 12:04:46 <Mic> Ah? 12:05:48 <flo> "We are glad that you like Pidgin. You are already using open source software, which is great. However, keep in mind that not everybody likes Pidgin, and that it's possible we are designing Instantbird for these people rather than for people who are already satisfied. Anyway, thanks for taking a few minutes to give Instantbird a try, and don't hesite to send us feedback if you decide to try it again in the future! :)" 12:06:11 <flo> *hesitate 12:06:18 <aleth> clokep_work: I'd say it's better than Pidgin (especially the theme designs), but not 100% polished on Linux 12:07:07 <clokep_work> Linux in generally just looks crappier. ;) 12:07:13 <clokep_work> s/ly// 12:07:16 <flo> oh please 12:07:21 <flo> not this troll again :) 12:07:28 <clokep_work> Hahah. :-X 12:07:30 <aleth> lol 12:08:13 <flo> Mic: if you believe some strings really need fixing in the de website localization, I can give you write access to that repository 12:08:15 <aleth> Actually this is true of Firefox too, less polish under Linux. Not the fault of Linux tho 12:08:29 <clokep_work> My point being that a lot of these "tech enthusists" might run Linux, where their personality means that they might not care as much about how stuff looks + Instantbird doesn't look as polished on it as on other platforms (might not fit in as well with the native theme either), so that's bad for us. 12:08:44 <clokep_work> aleth: Oh not at all, that ^ ^ is my point. 12:09:00 <flo> + on Linux Empathy has a nice system integration 12:09:22 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 12:09:36 <aleth> I don't really understand why Mozilla don't spend a little time on KDE or Gnome integration. Can't be that hard 12:10:34 <flo> I don't really understand why some people spend so much time ranting about that rather than actually doing *anything* about it. ;) 12:11:09 <flo> and people talking of "Mozilla" as if it was a person usually make meaningless statements. 12:11:32 <aleth> People have done something about it, but the corresponding themes end up buggy as they simulate something which should be present in the core ;) 12:12:06 * flo should not reply... should not reply... :) 12:12:07 <flo> ;) 12:12:08 <aleth> Anyway, its not a rant, just an observation. I like my FF just fine 12:12:40 <flo> aleth: you are certainly not the most virulent person I've seen talking on that topic :) 12:12:49 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 12:12:58 <aleth> flo: I know exactly the attitude you mean 12:17:00 <aleth> flo: but taking "Mozilla" as a shorthand for their UX team, which does pick its own priorities -- e.g. http://areweprettyyet.com/ has no Linux section. Fair enough as most of their users are on Windows 12:18:57 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 12:20:36 <Mic> There's another article which has 21 comments already 12:20:44 <Mic> http://stadt-bremerhaven.de/instantbird-multi-messenger-in-version-1-0-ist-da-totgesagte-leben-laenger 12:20:53 <flo> that's the first one 12:21:08 <flo> the one I was (wrongly) upset about :) 12:22:44 <flo> can someone confirm that this looks good on Windows? http://www-staging.instantbird.com/pl/features.html I've updated the font with a new version received from idechix 12:23:54 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 855 to FIXED. 12:23:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=855 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, website font 12:24:08 <clokep_work> Why does everyone write it as "Instant Bird"? :P 12:24:41 <aleth> Just add water. 12:24:54 <flo> because they need a distincting indication for how much they spent reading before commenting 12:25:44 <clokep_work> So...flo all our message styles are still for 0.2. :-/ 12:25:52 <flo> really? 12:26:03 <clokep_work> Did we update them? 12:26:06 <clokep_work> Maybe I missed that. 12:26:24 <flo> we edited the database with Even 12:26:27 <Mic> I'd say the pl-page doesn't have more problems than en-US anymore 12:26:39 <clokep_work> flo: Ah OK. I'm just going off a comment there. 12:26:47 <flo> but the thing that's really too bad is that remora doesn't send the update for sandboxed addons during the installation :( 12:26:49 <Mic> (the font still looks bad for me on Windows in general but that's reported already) 12:27:01 <clokep_work> flo: Ah you're right, they're updated. 12:27:41 <flo> clokep_work: they will only work if they are out of the sandbox OR if they were installed on an instantbird with compatibility checking turned off (search for an update will bump the maxVersion when turning compatibility check back on) 12:27:50 <flo> that completely sucks of course... 12:27:55 <clokep_work> Right. :-/ 12:28:20 <clokep_work> Why is everyone obsessed w/ memory usage? What's the difference between 20 MB and 40 MB. Bleh. 12:28:53 <flo> they are obsessed with it but they have absolutely no tool to measure it right 12:28:59 <flo> the value they report is just total nonsense 12:29:20 <flo> but they are users so they must be right I guess... 12:29:35 <Mic> I responded that they get the awesomeness of the Mozilla platform in return ;) 12:29:57 <flo> by the way, I spent several hours this week-end profiling our memory usage and it turns out at startup 10% is a pure waste caused by libpurple's crappy status code. 12:30:25 <flo> (I think they plan to fix that for Pidgin 3.0) 12:30:58 <clokep_work> Yeah I saw that email fly by. 12:31:03 <clokep_work> That would be nice. :) 12:31:08 <Mic> Let's hope it doesn't take them as long to get to 3.0 than it took the Linux kernel ;) 12:31:25 <flo> we don't care, we can just take the patch and run with it ;) 12:31:29 <Mic> ok, I'll stop using the L-word :P 12:31:58 <clokep_work> Yup! :) 12:35:40 <clokep_work> LifeHacker has posted a few articles this morning, but they're on the west coast if I remember. 12:36:07 <clokep_work> Haven't heard anything back yet. 12:37:46 <flo> I don't think they would get back to us except if they have questions 12:37:57 <clokep_work> True. :) 12:38:03 <clokep_work> Shuld have put return receipts. ;) 12:39:36 <flo> we are almost ready I think 12:39:39 <flo> time to write the blog post 12:40:56 <flo> hmm, can we just post the press release on the blog? :-D 12:41:49 <clokep_work> Honestly? I think we can. 12:43:41 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 12:47:03 <clokep_work> Although I"m not exactly sure we need the part that's a description of Instantbird. :P You'd think people on our blog might know that. ;) 12:47:10 <clokep_work> It should link to the press-release though. 12:47:33 <flo> I think we can keep it 12:47:40 <flo> but just put a download link in the 5 first lines 12:47:50 <clokep_work> :) 12:47:54 <flo> "Goodbye #QIP, Hello #Instantbird" (on twitter) is nice and short. 12:48:14 <flo> and add a link at the bottom to the press release 12:48:21 <flo> and a sentense asking people to share the word 12:48:34 <clokep_work> Yes. 12:48:53 <clokep_work> (Maybe with links for Twitter & Facebook, now that you know how ot make them?) 12:49:04 <flo> hmm, maybe :) 12:49:17 <flo> should we mention that the website is localized? 12:49:37 * flo thinks it's time to start putting the new website online 12:49:38 <clokep_work> Probably would be a good to, we haven't anywhere else. 12:49:58 <flo> and include a thank you sentence for all our translators and contributors at the bottom 12:50:46 <clokep_work> instantbot: !8ball is it time to put the website online? 12:50:49 <instantbot> clokep_work: Sorry, I've no idea what '8ball is it time to put the website online' might be. 12:50:57 <flo> !8ball is it time to put the website online? 12:50:58 <instantbot> flo: You're kidding, right? 12:51:02 <clokep_work> Bleh. :( Failed. 12:51:10 <flo> instantbot: go sit in the corner 12:51:13 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'go sit in the corner' might be. 12:51:41 <instantbot> flo: clokep_work knew: Oh, I know this one! go sit in the corner is <ACTION>cries in the corner. 12:52:16 <clokep_work> Bleh. 12:52:22 <clokep_work> Me messing up instantbot more. 12:52:26 * clokep_work stops playing. 12:53:13 <clokep_work> OK....instantbot: go sit in the corner. 12:53:22 <clokep_work> Bleh lame. 12:53:26 <clokep_work> instantbot: go sit in the corner 12:53:27 * instantbot cries in the corner. 12:53:32 <clokep_work> There we go. :) 12:53:36 * clokep_work has conquered instantbot. 12:53:50 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 12:54:18 <clokep_work> Anyway, lte me know if you want me to read/write anything. 12:55:11 <flo> we'll need to end stuff to all the websites that we didn't trust for not leaking the info ;) 12:55:29 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 12:55:51 <Mic> end? send? end sending? 12:56:05 <clokep_work> end relations with 12:56:06 <flo> send 12:56:11 <clokep_work> Oh. 12:56:13 <clokep_work> Haha. 12:56:17 <clokep_work> Got it. :) 12:56:36 <flo> the leak didn't came from the emails we sent to journalists ;) 12:56:48 <clokep_work> True. :) 12:58:07 <flo> bleah, I forgot some changes for the l10n of the site :( 13:02:24 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:02:27 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 13:02:52 <flo> can you spot any issue that I need to fix right now? http://www.instantbird.com/ 13:03:11 <flo> the "what's new?" and "Add-ons" strings on the home page are not translated, I need to fix the RSS-auto-update script for that 13:03:42 <aleth> Looks good :D 13:04:08 topic changed by flo to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.0 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/" 13:04:10 <aleth> Maybe the first item under "What's new" (in the blog) should be "1.0 released" or such 13:04:18 <clokep_work> I don't see anything wrong. 13:04:25 <flo> clokep_work: you are in the en-US locale ;) 13:05:35 <clokep_work> Yup. :) 13:05:40 <clokep_work> But still! Looks correct. :P 13:08:44 <flo> http://typewith.me/QPJKVA50n1 13:09:11 <GeekShadow> flo, just installed IB 1.0 13:09:23 <GeekShadow> it's not getting my xmpp avatar 13:09:47 <flo> there's a bug filed on that I think 13:11:40 <clokep_work> Should the "get instantbird" link be to the download page? 13:12:44 <flo> I think the home page is better 13:13:06 <clokep_work> Uhh...http://instantbird.com/about.html is borked for me. 13:14:26 <clokep_work> A bunch of text is missing. 13:15:20 <flo> which one? 13:15:39 <flo> uh 13:15:46 <clokep_work> Everything except you, idechix and even's name's and emails. 13:16:43 <flo> fixed, thanks 13:17:23 <clokep_work> :) 13:17:39 <flo> "In addition, our invaluable beta and nightly testers who timely report bugs and help track down regressions!" doesn't seem like a sentense 13:18:01 <Mic> I just read the latest typewithme. Did you mean adding Buddy Status to this list, clokep_work? 13:18:38 <clokep_work> Mic: I meant adding it to that, yes. But it's on the site now at www.instantbird.com/press-release-1.0.html 13:18:43 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, it was a mess. Thanks. :) 13:18:47 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 13:19:09 <Mic> Nevermind, it's featured on AIO anyways 13:19:24 <clokep_work> :) 13:19:33 <flo> what's left to do here? 13:20:13 <flo> I'd like to post it and move on to fixing the l10n mess I made on the rss update script and on the ib.org page ;) 13:20:18 <clokep_work> Possibly delete the spaces I just added. ;) 13:20:24 <clokep_work> I think it's OK. 13:20:56 <clokep_work> Eh the last paragraph is a little strange. 13:21:09 <flo> your sentense is still a mess 13:21:13 <flo> "provide timely report bugs" 13:21:59 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 13:23:33 <clokep_work> Did we want to link "share it" and "with your friends" maybe to Twitter & Facebook? 13:23:36 <clokep_work> Or just put links at the bottom? 13:25:34 <flo> like this? 13:26:16 <flo> are we ready? 13:27:30 <clokep_work> I think so. :) 13:31:33 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 13:32:17 <-- sunlix has left #instantbird () 13:33:57 * clokep_work should update the screenshots on alternativeto 13:34:48 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ : 13:34:49 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n48-instantbird-1-0-released-in-11-locales.html - Instantbird 1.0 released in 11 locales! 13:34:58 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:42:30 <clokep_work> flo: Should we announce on Twitter as well? 13:42:36 <flo> yes 13:45:55 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 13:54:35 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 13:57:10 <Mic> #2 on PMO already :( 13:57:23 <flo> before being 1 14:00:43 <clokep_work> Do people check PMO manually? I thought everyone used RSS feeds? :P 14:02:42 <flo> I've yet to find a feed reader that doesn't suck to the point that I abandon it a week after starting using it ;) 14:03:04 <Mic> I'm always reading PMO on the web 14:04:21 <clokep_work> flo: I use Thunderbird, it works relatively well. 14:04:27 <clokep_work> Ah. I see. 14:04:41 <clokep_work> I can't open PMO in IE, which is kind of strange. But I read it at home anyway. ;) 14:05:59 <clokep_work> Although it half sucks anyway, so yeah. You're right. 14:07:25 <flo> what made me stop using for RSS (at the time I still could stand it for emails) was that it couldn't mark a post as read in several folder at once (for example if I've subscribed to someone's blog and PMO and a subset of the person's blog is syndicated on PMO) 14:07:46 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 14:07:47 <flo> that made the unread counts completely inaccurate and lead to the false impression that I had much to catch up 14:07:51 <clokep_work> Ah, yeah. I don't htink I hae that situation at all. 14:07:57 <clokep_work> *have 14:07:58 <clokep_work> *think 14:08:24 <flo> PMO + instantbird's blog and you have it ;) 14:09:49 <clokep_work> PMO + instantbird's blog + instantbot reporting them ;) 14:11:53 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 14:13:29 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:14:29 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 863 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz. 14:14:30 <instantbot> michal.stanke@mikk.cz added attachment 728 to bug 863. 14:14:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=863 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, some strings on index are not localized 14:16:19 <-- aleth has left #instantbird () 14:16:32 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 864 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz. 14:16:42 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:17:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=864 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, blog menu is not loaclized 14:17:02 <flo> ah, it seems I'll have bugs for all the l10n issues I left ;) 14:17:11 <clokep_work> bio is crawling for me. :( 14:17:43 <flo> I'm not very far from falling asleep on my desk. 14:23:10 * flo reads http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/instantbird-1-0-cross-platform-multi-messenger-can-now-merge-contacts/ 14:24:08 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 865 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz. 14:24:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, unable to download Instantbird from directly-linked localized pages 14:25:25 <flo> "Donât be surprised to find striking similarity of InstantBird options, after all InstantBird was helped by the Mozilla team." 14:25:35 <clokep_work> Bleh. :( 14:25:43 <clokep_work> Hahah jump lists went in there! 14:25:46 * clokep_work high fives Mic. 14:25:59 <flo> ok, it's really unfair of me to point out the signle sentence that is off when everything else is great there 14:26:15 <clokep_work> "Suffice to day that once you install InstantBird, you might not need to install another multi-messenger. InstantBird works on Windows, Mac and Linux based operating systems." :) 14:26:41 <clokep_work> We should probably take some of these better quotes and put them somewhere...or at leat keep track of these articles? 14:26:57 <flo> we should 14:27:04 <flo> of the best tweets too ;) 14:27:26 <clokep_work> The link goes to the staging website. :( 14:27:35 <instantbot> michal.stanke@mikk.cz set the Resolution field on bug 724 to WORKSFORME. 14:27:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Themes pane is too wide 14:27:48 <igorko> flo: what about adding 1.0 to ubuntu repo? 14:27:54 <flo> clokep_work: he took his source from the leaked article... 14:28:12 <flo> igorko: will need to talk to chrisccoulson for that ;). 14:29:27 --> muninn has joined #instantbird 14:29:35 <flo> clokep_work: is there an email address somewhere to request the link gets fixed? 14:30:07 <clokep_work> flo: I'm looking but haven't found one 14:30:39 <clokep_work> flo: I found the authors email, I'll send him an email. 14:30:50 <flo> thanks him for the great article! :) 14:31:05 <flo> you may also mention that it's Instantbird, not InstantBird (or whatever he wrote) 14:31:32 <flo> bug 865 is really very bad :( 14:31:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, unable to download Instantbird from directly-linked localized pages 14:32:17 <flo> at least we haven't spread these links in the wild yet :) 14:36:55 <clokep_work> Eek, yes that's bad. 14:38:53 <flo> for some reason the url becomes http://instantbird.googlecode.com/files/instantbird-1.0.fr.mac.dmg/downloads/1.0/instantbird-1.0.fr.mac.dmg 14:39:02 <flo> I really don't know why that's duplicated :-S 14:46:56 <muninn> IRC features question: I looked for bugs but could not find one. When I use the 'list' command, it is accepted by instantbird but nothing happens. Comparing this to pidgin, I would expect to see a popup with the available channels and be able to join them. Did I miss something or is this just not implemented? 14:47:18 --> yabo has joined #instantbird 14:47:37 <yabo> "The Instantbird team is pleased to announce a polished Instantbird 1.0, released today in 11 locales." 14:47:42 <yabo> Still no x86_64 build !: 14:47:50 <flo> yabo: bonjour :) 14:47:58 <flo> yabo: but this time the website is in French! :) 14:48:34 <yabo> Bonjour :) 14:49:17 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:49:27 <flo> yabo: I think it's the work of your linux distribution to package the 64bit version ;) 14:49:45 <flo> but Instantbird works very well on Linux 64bit (that's what I use to debug on Linux anyway :)) 14:49:58 <yabo> Why do you provide i686 prebuilt binaries ? :( 14:50:11 <flo> yabo: requires another VM + some extra server storage 14:50:23 <flo> the 1.0 binaries already weight almost 2GB on the server 14:50:40 <flo> what's your linux distribution again? :) 14:50:49 <yabo> Currently on archlinux 14:51:08 <flo> hmm, I think Instantbird used to be packaged there 14:51:13 <yabo> they don't package instantbird (at least in 64bits) 14:51:32 <yabo> there's an old 0.3b1 package 14:51:35 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 14:51:46 <flo> yabo: 0.3b1 is only 2 weeks old 14:52:14 <yabo> Oh, curious naming scheme :) 14:52:24 <flo> we posted yesterday to explain that 14:52:26 --> gmoro_ has joined #instantbird 14:52:57 <Mic> The "/list" issue seems to be more widespread than anticipated :S 14:53:20 <yabo> flo, yeah, I was just kidding 14:53:28 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:53:31 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 14:53:31 <flo> Mic: especially among people who use IRC (which I expect aren't such a significant postion of our users) 14:53:47 <flo> uptime on the main server: 4:52PM up 83 days, 5:59, 3 users, load averages: 10.99, 7.72, 5.04 14:54:00 <flo> everything is slow :( 14:54:02 <Mic> Ah, nice :) Jump lists mentioned, indeed! /me likes this. 14:54:23 <clokep_work> Yeah, we'll have to implement /list in a better fashion, Ill file a bug about it. 14:54:27 <Mic> I wonder what they say once we put real stuff like favorite contacts there 14:54:41 <clokep_work> 64-bit builds won't do anything special though, besides being more "native" I guess. 14:54:49 <roflo1> Hi all, I've been wondering... I currenly have v0.3b1. 14:54:50 <roflo1> If I "Check for Updates" none are found.. is this expected behaviour? 14:55:01 <flo> roflo1: currently yes. 14:55:09 <Mic> Ah, the www-staging link is being passed around .. that's not good I suppose :( 14:55:11 <flo> We will push the updates in a few hours, at most a day or two 14:55:15 <aleth> Mic: /list not working here either, nor is /whois... 14:55:34 <clokep_work> flo mic We can add links to https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Press-Coverage:1.0 14:55:36 <flo> aleth: nor all the commands that make libpurple want to open a popup in your face. We hate popups ;) 14:55:52 <yabo> clokep_work, on a 64bits install without 32bit libraries, a 32bit binary doesn't work at all. So is "being more native" actually "working" 14:55:58 <aleth> flo: oh good 14:56:14 <roflo1> @flo, thanks. 14:56:26 <clokep_work> yabo: Not really true, you can install the compatibility library, whatever it's called. 14:56:35 <clokep_work> But I don't want to bikeshed about that. 14:56:37 <yabo> " without 32bit libraries" 14:57:26 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 14:57:27 <yabo> And I've been through that some time ago, solely for instantbird. And it's not that easy at all. Lot of things break and require more care than "install & forget". 14:57:30 <flo> clokep_work: even when the 32bit libraries are installed, some things don't look as nice as they could. I know Even builds 64 builds himself instead of using nightlies because he doesn't get a native theming otherwise 14:57:55 <flo> yabo: getting a correct package in your distribution is really the best way around it :) 14:57:56 <muninn> clokep_work: Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for the /list update :) 14:58:09 <flo> I can't promise to help for archlinux. 14:58:18 <flo> For ubuntu/fedora we will see how we can help 14:58:22 <yabo> flo, yep, but I guess I don't have time for that now, so I'll stick with pidgin 14:58:46 <clokep_work> If they don't work with the 32bit libraries...I'd just blame Linux now. ;) 14:58:47 <flo> maybe you can build it yourself? :) 14:58:48 <yabo> flo, oh, I don't ask for an archlinux package (if you have to manage all the packages for all the distos out there that's going to take time...) 14:59:10 <flo> by the way, I would be OK with uploading a set of 64 bit builds of 1.0 14:59:15 <clokep_work> We'd love to have other people help us out with that! :-D 14:59:22 <flo> just it's way too much work to fully support them (handle automatic updates, ...) 14:59:34 <aleth> clokep_work: is the win7 jumplist code in the mintray bits you showed me yesterday? I can't seem to find it there 14:59:34 <yabo> Oh, wasn't aware of that 14:59:39 <flo> so they would be "hidden on the ftp and unsupported", but maybe that could still help some geeks 14:59:56 <clokep_work> aleth: No, it's code Mic and I wrote. I can dig up a link in a second. 15:00:08 <yabo> flo, indeed 15:00:25 <aleth> clokep_work: because that would be the obvious place to add an equivalent context menu for gtk 15:00:39 <Mic> aleth: the jumplist code is extensible, if you like to add something there: it's pretty easy 15:00:43 <aleth> at least naively 15:01:11 <Mic> It's windows-only though since it uses the Windows 7 APIs 15:01:13 <clokep_work> aleth: The Mozilla stuff handles jump-lists for us, we don't handle much native code there. 15:01:23 <flo> hmm, if we keep having such an heavy load on the main server I'll move www.instantbird.com to the second server 15:01:35 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 15:01:36 <clokep_work> aleth: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/ibWinJumpList.jsm 15:01:40 <flo> the main server seems currently busy processing some crash reports 15:01:52 <flo> + lots of HTTP requests of course :) 15:01:57 <aleth> clokep_work: oh i see, so there is little one can do for linux until mozilla implements them for gtk? 15:02:26 <flo> aleth: I think it's possible to add context menu items in the current linux implementation 15:02:41 <flo> but ping me later about this if you really want me to dig in that code ;) 15:03:11 <yabo> so back to work, see you guys 15:03:15 <-- yabo has quit (Quit: Leaving) 15:03:16 <flo> see you :) 15:04:35 <aleth> flo: in principle gtkstatusicon (used in mintray) has context menu support http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/stable/GtkStatusIcon.html 15:05:07 <aleth> flo: might ping you if i have time over the weekend 15:05:35 <Mic> Don't we even have a bug about extending the tray icon menu? 15:05:47 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 866 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 15:05:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle /list and /whois for IRC 15:05:53 <clokep_work> aleth: the mintrayr code has support for context menus, so it should be relatively easy to add/extend them. (And yes there's a bug about it.) 15:05:55 <Mic> I think we have the basic-trayicon bug and a followup for extending it? 15:06:04 <-- muninn has left #instantbird () 15:06:06 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 15:06:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 865 to FIXED. 15:06:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865 maj, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, unable to download Instantbird from directly-linked localized pages 15:07:42 <flo> oh, we forgot bug 626 :-D 15:07:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Notifications list on the wiki out of date 15:07:53 <flo> I suspect it didn't block after all :-D 15:08:13 <clokep_work> I think Mic updated most of it anyway. :) 15:08:25 <clokep_work> Or at least part of it. :P 15:08:29 <flo> yes, I think the only thing left was I needed to review it 15:08:40 <flo> (or I hope so at least :)) 15:08:50 <Mic> Yes, I ordered and added stuff. There was some twitter-browser-thingie-notification that I couldn't really make sense of 15:08:56 <Mic> -some +a 15:09:02 <clokep_work> Yes, cause it's confusing. ;) 15:09:05 <Mic> aleth: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=619%2C+749%2C+750%2C+753%2C+764%2C+861 15:09:16 <gmoro_> hello all 15:09:27 <Mic> Hi gmoro_ 15:09:29 <gmoro_> I looking to package this project to RPM packages.. 15:09:32 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 15:09:39 * Mic is going to install tab complete now, brb 15:09:46 <Mic> ah, wait. 15:09:51 <Mic> Isn't it restartless? 15:09:54 <flo> what was our previous participant count record? :) 15:10:06 <gmoro_> but I see that the build process involves checking out the mozilla-2.0 tree 15:10:15 <hicham> I made some 15:10:23 <gmoro_> is there anyway to use installed firefox to achieve a clean tarball ? 15:10:31 <Mic> Awesome! 15:10:53 <hicham> I made some rpms 15:10:57 * Mic just searched, downloaded and installed 'Tab Complete' completely from the addons manager 15:11:04 <Mic> No restart required. 15:11:10 <Mic> *That's how it's done.* 15:11:23 <hicham> Mic : great ! 15:11:26 <clokep_work> :) 15:11:26 <hicham> I like that feature 15:11:28 <gmoro_> hicham: great 15:11:40 <gmoro_> is there a SPEC available somewhere? 15:11:48 <hicham> gmoro_: I submitted it to fedora but it stalled 15:11:48 <Mic> Bah, and now someone should say: no advantage over Pidgin again;) 15:11:57 <gmoro_> hicham: I see 15:12:27 <hicham> gmoro_: you trying to package it on fedora too ? 15:13:03 <gmoro_> hicham: no, I want to package it for Mandriva 15:13:25 <gmoro_> hmm 15:13:27 <gmoro_> looks like you 15:13:27 <gmoro_> http://hicham.fedorapeople.org/instantbird/F-14/instantbird.spec 15:13:29 <gmoro_> :) 15:14:05 <hicham> yeah, that one is for 0.2 15:14:21 <Mic> Colorful tab complete suggestions with Show Nick: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/232/tabcompletetweakedshown.png 15:15:03 <gmoro_> hicham: but how to you managed the tarball and mozilla framework relation? 15:15:27 <flo> I've never understood how the big tarball is a problem 15:15:50 <gmoro_> flo: in mandriva sadly we package the tarball inside the src.rpm 15:16:03 <gmoro_> and in our svn too 15:16:05 <clokep_work> Mic: I'd love if the completition in the input box could also be that color. :) 15:16:19 <gmoro_> so a bigger tarball just lost space on servers :) 15:16:34 <hicham> gmoro_: IB source ships with mozilla sources 15:16:46 <gmoro_> hicham: hmm 15:16:53 <hicham> gmoro_: but you can use the xulrunner one 15:17:05 <gmoro_> hicham: xulrunner dont exists anymore 15:17:06 <hicham> and an IB snapshot 15:17:08 <gmoro_> :/ 15:17:16 <hicham> gmoro_: you don't have xulrunner in mandriva ? 15:17:25 <gmoro_> firefox 5 dropped the xulrunner dep 15:17:45 <hicham> you can use firefox tarball, it is the same 15:17:50 <gmoro_> so I could generate the xulrunner package, but just instantbird will use it I think 15:17:54 <gmoro_> hicham: yeap 15:18:16 <hicham> you just uncompress it, in IB tree as mozilla 15:18:20 <hicham> that is it 15:18:21 <gmoro_> I was trying to avoid to have the entire tarball as a copy on instantbird 15:18:32 <hicham> you can't 15:18:37 <flo> gmoro_: so if you don't have a xulrunner package, I understand even less why having mozilla in our tarball is an issue 15:18:54 <gmoro_> trying something like firefox-devel to export just the needed lib dependencies 15:19:07 <gmoro_> or the project use some specific modification of the tree ? 15:19:15 <hicham> IB needs mozilla sources to build 15:19:19 <hicham> like all xulrunner apps 15:19:33 <gmoro_> yeah, I see 15:19:39 <hicham> that is how mozilla build system works 15:19:48 <gmoro_> so I think that bring back the libxulrunner-devel package should do the job 15:19:49 <gmoro_> :) 15:19:53 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 15:20:17 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 15:20:19 <hicham> no, it won't 15:20:30 <gmoro_> no ? 15:20:39 <gmoro_> hicham: firefox was builded this way 15:20:47 <hicham> you still need the sources 15:20:47 <gmoro_> based on libxulrunner and xulrunner packages 15:20:58 <hicham> gmoro_: firefox have xulrunner sources 15:21:06 <gmoro_> yeah, I know 15:21:16 <gmoro_> I'm the maintainer for all the mozilla stuff in mandriva 15:21:42 <hicham> you can use system xulrunner however 15:21:45 <gmoro_> just trying to avoid other pains in the future 15:21:50 <gmoro_> :) 15:21:59 <gmoro_> hicham: yeap, this is what I was talking about 15:22:11 <hicham> but if you don't have xulrunner in the repos, what worry about it :) 15:22:14 <gmoro_> libxulrunner-devel to compile and xulrunner package to run the app 15:22:28 <hicham> s/what/why 15:22:46 <gmoro_> hicham: I think that I should revive the xulrunner package, so other xulrunner based packages could use it 15:23:00 <hicham> just use official IB sources, and you're done 15:23:05 <gmoro_> actually I was used to run my xulrunner apps using firefox -app 15:23:05 <gmoro_> :) 15:23:22 <hicham> gmoro_: xulrunner is required for some packages, like gnome-shell for example 15:23:31 <gmoro_> hicham: hmm 15:23:34 <gmoro_> interesting 15:23:43 <hicham> gmoro_: you don't have gnome-shell yet ? 15:23:44 <gmoro_> mandriva is now based on KDE mainly 15:23:49 <hicham> I see 15:24:20 <gmoro_> I'll package xulrunner in first place, should be just a small change in the firefox 5 spec 15:24:21 <gmoro_> :) 15:25:16 <flo> almost all our download requests are coming from www-staging 15:26:23 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 15:26:23 <hicham> gmoro_: xulrunner-qt have been revived also :) 15:27:52 <clokep_work> flo: I think both of those German articles linked to ww-staging as well. :-/ 15:28:05 <flo> that's where that link came from 15:28:26 <flo> next time www-staging may be password protected ;) 15:28:28 <gmoro_> hicham: it can compile against the firefox 5 tree right? no problems with that 15:28:57 <clokep_work> I believe we're using Firefox 4.0.1 right now? 15:29:04 <flo> clokep_work: nobody has every tried 15:29:11 <flo> gmoro_: err, that was for you 15:29:24 <flo> *has ever tried 15:29:29 <gmoro_> flo: I see 15:29:43 <flo> if there are problems they should be easy to fix 15:29:52 <gmoro_> so I could use the present xulrunner package of the distro, based on the 4.0.1 tarball 15:29:53 <gmoro_> :) 15:29:57 <gmoro_> way better 15:30:20 <hicham> I am gonna try it against firefox5 15:31:18 <gmoro_> nice 15:31:43 <flo> "Whoop! Instantbird 1.0 has been released! There's finally an IM client for Windows which isn't horrible. http://t.co/y4b0y6m" 15:32:33 <gmoro_> btw 15:32:41 <gmoro_> its look really promising this project 15:32:59 <gmoro_> I kind hate IM today 15:33:09 <gmoro_> :) 15:33:17 <gmoro_> lets look how it goes with IB 15:33:41 <flo> should I email translators again to remind them that it's time to send the press release link to everybody? 15:34:10 <clokep_work> Maybe, could say the website is fully working now, etc. 15:34:14 <clokep_work> Well mostly working. :) 15:34:25 <hicham> the complete sources are 79 MB 15:35:11 <flo> "mostly working" maybe I should fix that :-D 15:35:13 <gmoro_> hicham: looks good, the mozilla tarball is something like 60 mb 15:37:58 <gerard-majax> for AIO, are you using the code of AMO ? 15:38:04 <flo> yes 15:38:21 <gerard-majax> k 15:38:23 <clokep_work> gerard-majax: The old AMO code. 15:38:45 <hicham> why not the new one ? 15:39:04 <flo> man, I've answered that question at least 3 times recently :( 15:39:11 <gerard-majax> just so you know, I only localize french for the trunk on AMO :) 15:39:16 <clokep_work> Because we haven't upgrade because it's a huge pain in the ass to do that. 15:39:23 <clokep_work> *upgraded 15:39:26 <flo> was probably in privates emails to translators though :( 15:40:01 <flo> gerard-majax: do you want to be another translator in the french team to proof read and improve our translations? 15:40:16 <flo> I read quickly the about page in French today, it seems there's much to improve there... :( 15:40:19 <gerard-majax> flo, not sure 15:40:29 <gerard-majax> flo, AMO already gives quite a lot of work sometimes 15:41:21 <gerard-majax> just not keeping up to date for one month (paper to finish, conference to attend, some tourism at the same time) lead to 500+ new untranslated strings :) 15:42:39 <gmoro_> theres an tarball generator? like make -f client.mk configure && make source-package for firefox ? 15:42:43 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 15:43:03 <flo> gmoro_: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Create_source_tarball 15:45:32 <gmoro_> flo: hmm, I use this script passing the rev number? like 1.0 ? 15:45:34 <aleth> http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2011/06/28/Instantbird-10 15:45:43 <flo> gmoro_: yes 15:46:37 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 15:46:42 <gmoro_> flo: perfect 15:47:00 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 15:47:03 <gmoro_> this should be on the hg repo too, to generate from a cloned tree 15:47:04 <gmoro_> :) 15:49:06 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 15:50:37 <deOmega> good day. exciting day in IB land? :) 15:55:16 <clokep_work> Of course. :) 15:55:18 <flo> gmoro_: it's used to clone the tree ;) 15:55:21 <clokep_work> It's always exciting. ;) 15:56:31 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:58:59 <flo> third kernel panic of powerbird in 2 days :( 15:59:09 <flo> maybe it's affected by the warm weather? 16:00:37 <clokep_work> http://www.mozilla.cz/zpravicky/instantbird-1-0-je-pripraven-k-vydani-uz-zitra/ 16:01:00 <flo> no screenshot? :( 16:02:22 <flo> oh, so it's a post by our localizer, and just about the version numbre change :) 16:05:48 <clokep_work> Yup! :) Just wanted to point it out. 16:06:23 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 16:09:47 * flo is busy writting to the french news website 16:10:22 <aleth> http://techtastico.com/post/instantbird-cliente-de-mensajeria-multiplataforma-con-variedad-de-servicios/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter 16:15:35 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 16:21:44 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 16:24:23 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 16:40:05 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 16:41:14 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 16:45:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 863 to FIXED. 16:45:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=863 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, some strings on index page are not localized 16:47:11 --> kelopez has joined #instantbird 16:47:40 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:48:30 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 16:48:59 <ironhead> Is it possible to override the port being used to connect to a given service (i.e. GTalk)? 16:49:30 <ironhead> I'm beind a proxy and the only port I can connect to GTalk on is port 443 16:51:04 <ironhead> I had a look in config editor but couldn't find anything 16:51:05 <clokep_work> ironhead: There should be proxy options in the account settings, if they are not there, then they abide by the proxy settings available in the preferences window. 16:51:31 <ironhead> I've set those appropriately for my environment 16:51:57 <ironhead> but the proxy / firewall blocks access to talk.google.com other than on port 443 16:52:27 <clokep_work> You should be able to change the port in the account settings. 16:54:10 <clokep_work> If that's not the issue, I'm unsure what you're asking about. 16:54:55 <ironhead> I can change the port for the proxy just fine (which is what I think you are referring to) 16:55:22 <ironhead> what I can't seem to do is set the port on which Instantbird will use to connect to talk.google.com 16:55:47 <clokep_work> That's not what I'm referring to. 16:56:04 <aleth> maybe redirect your staging url to the proper one, to avoid things like this ending up in FIXME FIXME? https://twitter.com/#!/uci_img/status/85730090159316993 16:56:26 <clokep_work> Tools > Accounts, go into the properties for your GTalk account, one of the tabs is "Advanced settings" or something. 16:56:34 <clokep_work> In there you can change the port, the server, etc. 16:56:43 <clokep_work> (Unless we removed that for GTalk, but I do not think so.) 16:56:59 * aleth was curious and searched for instantbird on twitter 16:57:11 <clokep_work> Nah, I see it there. :) 16:57:34 <clokep_work> It might say "Google Talk Options" on the tab. 16:58:32 <clokep_work> ironhead: "Tools" > "Accounts", then "Properties" button to bring up the dialog and then "Advanced Options" tab 16:59:22 <ironhead> I only see a 'General' tab? 16:59:23 <FeuerFliege> moin moin 16:59:27 <flo> aleth: done 17:00:01 <FeuerFliege> mostly positive comments on the instantbird 1.0 release 17:00:13 <Mic> Could be we removed the advanced setting for the GTalk and Facebook overrides 17:00:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Possibly. I don't remember doing that though...flo do you remember that? 17:00:38 <Mic> You can try creating an XMPP account? "GTalk" is just faking to be a proper protocol, internally it is using XMPP 17:00:43 <flo> clokep_work: that's possible 17:01:38 <flo> https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/1023849b0d65 17:01:56 <clokep_work> ironhead: You'll have to do as Mic says and make an XMPP account then. 17:02:07 <ironhead> yep, got it to work that way 17:02:10 <ironhead> thanks :) 17:02:27 <clokep_work> Sorry about all that confusion! I must have forgotten about that check-in. :) 17:02:38 <flo> I don't remember the rationale 17:02:45 <flo> I'm trying to load the bug, but that's sloooow :( 17:03:05 * clokep_work is trying to load hg. 17:03:17 <clokep_work> I should just search for the bug # in gmail... 17:03:31 <Mic> Ok, I'll file a followup bug then 17:03:40 <Mic> Being able to change the port seems reasonable? 17:03:55 <gmoro_> if I move the HG tree to another name, the build breaks :( 17:04:17 <clokep_work> I wonder if we should show the server even and just have the input box be disabled? 17:04:34 <ironhead> Mic: I think it's reasonable (at least for me ;) ) 17:04:39 <Mic> hehe ;) 17:04:50 <clokep_work> Eh, probably showing too much info. 17:05:03 <clokep_work> Changing the port and if it uses SSL maybe are reaosnable. Although I don't think you can connect w/o SSL? 17:05:08 <clokep_work> varuna would probably know. 17:05:45 * clokep_work is glad that he isn't the r= on that bug. :-D 17:06:01 <flo> I asked "- Should we also remove all the advanced options on GTalk?" on comment 3 17:06:08 <ironhead> if you want to 'dumb it down' what about adding a 'web connection' type checkbox (to use port 443)? 17:06:09 <flo> I suspect the next part of the discussion is on IRC 17:07:28 <clokep_work> Ah-ha! http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110530/#m71 17:08:38 <flo> "<flo> gtalk supports SSL so I don't see why one would want to connect without encryption" 17:09:21 <aleth> Encryption should be the default everywhere imho 17:09:39 <clokep_work> Yes, but we're mostly talking about the port here. 17:11:15 <clokep_work> We can just file a follow up and re-address it though. :) 17:11:21 <Mic> Shift+Page Up/Down only works when the input box is selected. If the conversation content is, you need to use only Page Up/Down and pressing Shift breaks it :( We should make this consistent.. 17:11:30 <gmoro_> another little bug, the build dont work on gcc 4.6 17:11:32 <gmoro_> :) 17:13:12 <flo> Mic: feel free to file a bug/fix it 17:13:22 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 17:14:28 <Mic> If I can get a few cpu cycles and a bit of traffic on the bugzilla server, I will ;) 17:14:50 <FeuerFliege> I've read a few comments that instantbird needs to much Memory (50MB or so what is the problem?) and that ICQ refuses to connect with SSL-Settings (IIRC has pidgin has the same problem) 17:15:09 <Mic> Yes, the clientConnect thingie iirc 17:15:18 <Mic> Why haven't we switched this setting btw? 17:15:20 <clokep_work> ICQ should connect with the default settings. Idk about changing them around. 17:15:26 <Mic> I thought this was fixed? 17:15:40 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 17:16:07 <clokep_work> Mic: I'm not sure what you mean. switched which setting? 17:16:33 <Mic> The ominous clientConnect setting was the issue if I remember correctly 17:17:13 <clokep_work> It should be unchecked by default I believe. :) 17:17:22 <FeuerFliege> With a clean profile âUse clientLoginâ is not set :( 17:17:44 <flo> "Why haven't we switched this setting btw?" you mean "why haven't we removed the option" I guess? 17:17:51 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: it must be checked! 17:18:05 <flo> FeuerFliege: really? 17:18:14 <flo> last week it needed to *NOT* be checked 17:18:26 <flo> as the libpurple clientId was banned by the ICQ servers 17:19:59 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: I'm like 90% sure it CAN'T BE CHECKED to work. 17:20:12 <flo> clokep_work: it may have changed *again* ;) 17:20:35 <clokep_work> flo: Possibly! My account has been working though. 17:20:40 <Mic> clientLogin is unchecked for me right at the moment and I'm connecting fine 17:20:40 <clokep_work> See http://blog.instantbird.org/a33-icq-connection-error.html for the correct settings to use. 17:20:58 <clokep_work> I agree we should remove the clientLogin setting. :) 17:21:09 <flo> those people who know everything, touch everything and then complain should just shutup 17:21:21 <flo> we should remove most of the advanced account preferences 17:21:23 <flo> most are pointless 17:21:37 <clokep_work> Yes. 17:21:48 <clokep_work> Can we remove some of them from the UI and leave them in about:config maybe? 17:22:20 <flo> they will always be in about:config anyway 17:22:27 <flo> but there's no default value for them, so good luck finding them ;) 17:22:55 <flo> setting the pref in about:config could have worked for ironhead by the way 17:23:30 <roflo1> Maybe you should add a red label (at the beginning of the advanced tab) saying: Only modify these settings if you know what you're doing! 17:23:46 <Mic> We could have a toggle to show them in case it's needed and name it something obvious? This is totally faked, but you'll get the idea: "settings.showadvanced.ImMessingAroundAndWontBlameAnyoneForTheResults=true" ;) 17:23:57 <flo> roflo1: that kind of lable attracts the people who believe they know everything ;) 17:24:10 <roflo1> lol... you're probably right. 17:24:39 <aleth> don't remove too many options though, they do come up once in a while 17:25:01 <flo> (that's a poor translation from German, but I don't think Google messed up the version number) "My first impression of instant Bird, in the first final version 1.0, is quite positive. My last version was 0.4 and there were crashes an issue. Now, after few hours of my installation, I am very satisfied" 17:25:40 <flo> oh, I still haven't posted on freshmeat! 17:27:24 <clokep_work> 0.4, eh? Hmm...we've never even had like a beta or alpha 4, right? 17:27:37 <clokep_work> aleth: I agree for things like XMPP, IRC. 17:27:47 <clokep_work> But things that have specific settings...you don't really need them. 17:27:54 <clokep_work> I.e. you won't ever change the server for google talk 17:27:58 <mokush> hey guys, any way to set the status to invisible? 17:28:28 <clokep_work> mokush: No. I think there's an old extension around that does it, but invisible isn't defined on most networks, so there isn't really any proper way to handle it. 17:28:46 <clokep_work> (Besides which, why would you want to be invisible on an IM network? ;)) 17:28:53 <mokush> oh man. 17:29:05 <mokush> so that you can still talk to people but be totaly unavailable 17:29:36 <aleth> clokep_work: ah, i see. you mean account types that are basically wrappers, like google talk for xmpp 17:29:43 <clokep_work> OK... 17:29:45 <mokush> clokep_work: where can I find the extension you're talking about? 17:29:48 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, exactly Or Facebook Chat. 17:30:02 <clokep_work> mokush: I'm not sure where it is if it exists anymore. I can look in a second. 17:30:18 <flo> http://typewith.me/VedfV1jBYt how does this sound for freshmeat ? (600 characters limit) 17:30:26 <clokep_work> But really the big problem (why we don't expose it) is that most networks don't support it. So..there's no way to show the user that they're still online on some networks. 17:32:32 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work, flo: if âUse encryption if availableâ is set it must be checked, if âDon't use encryptionâ it doesn't matter 17:33:34 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: Last time I checked you couldn't use SSL. 17:34:03 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: that is right, I think 17:34:27 <clokep_work> flo: Is that still under 600 characters? ;) 17:34:39 <flo> I haven't counted before anyway 17:34:41 <FeuerFliege> but with the default âuse if availableâ clientLogin has to be checked (at least for me) 17:35:27 <clokep_work> mokush: So you can set yourself to invisible using a command line handler. 17:35:34 <clokep_work> Calling instantbird with.... 17:35:38 <flo> "Your release has been submitted for verification. This process typically takes less than 24 hours." ok 17:35:57 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 867 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 17:36:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Shift+Page Up/Down should work when content area is selected 17:37:12 <flo> what would you think of this article: http://www.abctrick.com/2011/06/instantbird-out-of-beta-now-featured.html Starting with "Are you familiar with this Cross Platform chat client named âInstantBirdâ? If not, then probably you have missed some great source of entertainment." and finishing by "Download Instantbird 1.0 For Windows Now 17:37:13 <flo> Also Download InstantBird 0.2 Beta 2 For Mac And Linux From Here" 17:37:51 <clokep_work> mokush: Using "instantbird.exe -status invisible" should work. 17:38:25 <mokush> clokep_work: thanks, will try it out 17:39:00 <flo> clokep_work: if I remember well, the invisible status conflicts with the auto-away feature 17:39:01 <clokep_work> flo: That might have stolen stuff from one of the other articles I've read? Hah. 17:39:04 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 17:39:20 <flo> clokep_work: paragraphs in the middle are taken from the good article we saw before 17:39:28 <flo> most screenshots are ours 17:39:49 <clokep_work> And the last two paragraphs are from the press release. 17:40:07 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:40:10 <flo> yeah, copy/paste works well over there :) 17:43:35 <clokep_work> Good thing we gave good stuff to copy & paste. :P 17:43:52 <flo> good screenshots :) 17:47:15 <Mic> Too bad they didn't c/p the application name 17:49:38 <aleth> That would give the game away 17:56:05 <clokep_work> Apparently Thunderbird also released today btw. 17:58:11 <flo> a beta? 17:58:18 <igorko> 5.0 :) 17:58:27 <flo> pre-alpha then :-P 17:58:54 <flo> 5.0b2 apparently 17:59:20 <igorko> no 17:59:24 <igorko> 5.0 release 17:59:27 <clokep_work> No, 5.0 is released. 17:59:29 <igorko> woot 17:59:34 <igorko> :) 18:00:36 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 18:06:42 <flo> in case the main server gets too slow, I've installed a mirror of ib.com and ib.org on the other server (the one hosting the blog and lxr) 18:06:51 <flo> they are currently visible at http://www2.instantbird.com/ and http://www2.instantbird.org/ 18:07:04 <clokep_work> Meaning that lxr might get real slow? ;) 18:07:05 <flo> if we decide to make it the default, we will just need to swap the DNS records 18:07:12 <flo> I don't think so 18:07:20 <flo> the main website is light 18:07:39 <flo> what's putting the other server on its knees remora + socorro 18:07:46 <-- hicham has quit (Quit: اÙسÙا٠عÙÙÙÙ ) 18:12:15 <clokep_work> Ah right. 18:13:17 <clokep_work> What's with the main page of Socorro anyway? Should those lists actually work? :P 18:13:41 <flo> they've never worked 18:13:45 <flo> and we don't care anyway 18:14:00 <flo> what I'm more worried about is that none of our mac stacks seem readable 18:14:20 <flo> there's probably a software component that needs an upgrade on the stack processor 18:14:21 <gmoro_> .../tmp/instantbird/mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsEnumeratorUtils.cpp:115:27: error: uninitialized const âEmptyEnumeratorImpl::kInstanceâ [-fpermissive] 18:14:27 <gmoro_> damned 18:14:38 <flo> the only readable stack we have received (windows): http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/503adc55-a7a0-41c3-a12c-3a11f2110628 18:15:15 <kelopez> flo there's no about:config? 18:15:35 <flo> I don't think this is specifically a question for me 18:15:37 <clokep_work> kelopez: There is. You have to access it the same way as Thunderbird. 18:15:40 <flo> and there's definitely the answer in the FAQ 18:15:59 <flo> clokep_work: heh, I'll start talking like Pidgin people ;) 18:16:02 <kelopez> lol ok :) 18:16:35 <flo> seriously though, I'm extremely tired and should probably go eat something before I fall asleep in the office 18:16:38 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, but you can blame your lack of sleep. :) 18:16:52 <clokep_work> kelopez: If you can't find it in the FAQ, let me know. But do please look. :) 18:16:58 <kelopez> I did 18:17:23 <flo> vicnet pointed out that the "Get Addons" item of the FAQ is way out of date 18:17:28 <clokep_work> kelopez: http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html#aboutconfig 18:17:45 <Mic> instantbot: faq 18:17:45 <gmoro_> could someone put the link to the bugzilla on the topic of the channel ? ;-) 18:17:46 <kelopez> clokep_work I saw it! D: 18:17:47 <instantbot> Mic: Sorry, I've no idea what 'faq' might be. 18:17:48 <instantbot> Mic: firebot knew: faq is Frequently Asked Questions, mozilla's FAQs are listed at http://www.mozilla.org/faq.html 18:17:54 <flo> I'll probably be back in an hour or two. 18:17:57 <Mic> ahm, bad 18:18:03 <Mic> flo: enjoy your break! 18:18:14 <Mic> ../evening/whatever ;) 18:18:18 <clokep_work> instantbot: no, faq is http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html 18:18:18 <flo> meal ;) 18:18:19 <instantbot> clokep_work: ok 18:18:22 <flo> thanks 18:18:27 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 18:18:33 <Mic> clokep_work beat me to it. 18:18:52 <Mic> instantbot: faq 18:18:53 <instantbot> Mic: hmm... I think faq is http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html 18:18:53 <clokep_work> gmoro_: It's https://bugzilla.instantbird.org 18:19:08 <kelopez> holy sheet 18:19:11 <kelopez> xD 18:19:12 <kelopez> nvm 18:19:39 <clokep_work> Or is there a particular reason you wantd it in the title? :) 18:20:08 <gmoro_> clokep_work: just to easy to new users find it out 18:20:09 <gmoro_> :) 18:20:23 <clokep_work> Hmm...it makes it long though. 18:20:28 <gmoro_> yeap 18:20:33 <gmoro_> not so good 18:20:39 topic changed by clokep_work to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.0 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/|File bugs: https://bug" 18:20:48 topic changed by clokep_work to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.0 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/" 18:20:55 <clokep_work> Too long apparently. :-D 18:20:58 <kelopez> this is my IM status: ""¡La mensajerÃa instantánea nunca habÃa sido tan fácil!" http://www.instantbird.com" 18:21:44 <clokep_work> :) 18:22:12 <kelopez> I'm Chilean, that explains the Spanish tagline :P 18:23:48 <clokep_work> I recognized it as Spanish, needed to use Google Translate though. :) 18:24:48 <kelopez> ha 18:30:36 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 18:32:08 <Mic> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/06/cross-platform-messaging-client.html 18:34:13 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 18:46:16 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 18:48:42 <clokep_work> Decent article. :) They at least read some of the blog, etc. 18:51:25 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 19:01:08 --> Guest has joined #instantbird 19:01:17 <Guest> /rules 19:01:53 <-- Guest has left #instantbird () 19:04:37 <-- mokush has quit (Ping timeout) 19:06:39 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:07:09 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 19:09:46 <Mic> good evening 19:09:51 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 19:10:59 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 19:11:09 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 19:16:12 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 19:17:06 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:17:06 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:18:28 <flo> I didn't realize I would have my photo on so many websites ;) 19:19:12 <clokep_work> Hahahah. It's a good photo at least. :) 19:21:46 <flo> using a picture of me was the best way I found to ensure nobody would sue us about copyright violation blahblahblah for using a random picture :) 19:22:29 <clokep_work> :) 19:24:04 <flo> I have a silly question: what are we going to do tomorrow? :-D 19:24:59 <clokep_work> Party? ;) 19:25:27 <clokep_work> Bikeshed about versions most likely and update to Mozilla 6 and Pidgin 2.9.? :) 19:27:59 <flo> count the downloads maybe? 19:30:00 <clokep_work> That too! :) 19:36:04 <clokep_work> http://www.dimido.de/instantbird-multimessenger-in-finalen-version-1-0-erschienen 19:37:30 <-- ironhead has quit (Quit: leaving) 19:37:55 <flo> clokep_work: it's the one who crashed on 0.4 19:37:58 <clokep_work> Ah that says the 0.4 crashes, is that where that was from earlier? 19:37:59 <clokep_work> Yes. 19:38:14 <aleth> 0.4? 19:38:30 <flo> aleth: don't worry, they know better than we do ;). 19:38:45 <flo> some users are great to make things up and even post them publicly. 19:39:17 <flo> http://ubuntu.onego.ru/articles/apps/instantbird-1-0/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed 19:40:52 <flo> I don't know why that claims instantbird can't send a message to notify OSD 19:41:00 <flo> or maybe he tried on ubuntu 64bits? 19:42:11 <aleth> tomorrow you can make one of those funky map visualizations for where it is being downloaded ;) 19:42:19 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 19:43:18 <aleth> the messaging menu thing is just the ubuntu system tray replacement for IM etc 19:43:26 <clokep_work> Yeah. 19:43:35 <clokep_work> But they want everyone to integrate into it. :P Annoying. 19:43:41 <aleth> yes 19:44:04 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:44:04 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:44:06 <aleth> as if 2 standards wasnt enough... 19:44:14 <clokep_work> Yup. :( 19:44:25 <clokep_work> Right, now Linux is 3 platforms itself. 19:44:32 <clokep_work> GNOME, KDE and Unity. 19:44:55 <aleth> Will be interesting to see how well Unity does. Personally I think it's a trainwreck (so far) but of course tastes vary 19:45:18 <clokep_work> I haven't actually used it yet. 19:45:25 <aleth> Haven't tried the new Gnome either 19:45:26 <clokep_work> Last time I used Linux it was Debian. 19:45:54 <clokep_work> (Like...command line...) 19:45:58 <aleth> hehe 19:46:09 <clokep_work> But anyway, a heat map of downloads would be nice. ;) Idk if we have the proper data to do that though. 19:47:07 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 19:47:09 <flo> the apache log has the IPs 19:49:11 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 19:50:37 <flo> pretty decent :) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opennet.ru%2Fopennews%2Fart.shtml%3Fnum%3D31026 19:50:47 <aleth> heh, i had this tab open with twitter instantbird earlier, now it is full of people testing the twitter support 19:51:16 <flo> I saw only 2 or 3 19:51:59 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 19:52:34 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:04:47 <aleth> http://www.wmlcloud.com/windows/get-instantbird-multi-messenger-alternative-to-pidgin/ 20:04:53 <clokep_work> Hmm....so what to work on next... 20:04:55 <aleth> did you email all those blogs? 20:05:29 <aleth> or are they picking it up from each other 20:05:42 <clokep_work> Picking it up from each other. 20:05:42 <flo> the latter 20:05:55 <flo> and some are taking it from our rss feed (or planet mozilla's rss feed) 20:06:40 <-- gmoro_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:08:18 <flo> clokep_work: I'm really not sure for what's next. It's tempting to either scratch lots of itches. Or start something big. 20:09:04 <-- kelopez has quit (Ping timeout) 20:09:39 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Like adding richtext or a better "new chat" tab. 20:10:16 <flo> the "new chat" tab I want depends on having usable logs 20:10:37 <flo> (or at least, I want to know which conversations are used the most) 20:10:57 <clokep_work> Ah, I forgot about that. :( 20:11:39 <flo> the itches I have in mind are for example: being able to close/hide conversation tabs and have them stored in the contacts window 20:11:51 <flo> getting rid of the totally stupid IRC tabs I have after each reconnect 20:12:00 <flo> (= merging JS-IRC?) 20:12:30 <clokep_work> My priority is going to be JS-IRC. I'd like you at se point to take a look at how I have it arranged now and offer comments. 20:12:31 <flo> starting something big would be starting to experiment with new log formats 20:13:04 <clokep_work> (Not really a code review, but a higher level review.) 20:13:11 <flo> or maybe to experiment with XMPP and what can be done with P2P connections ;) 20:13:32 <clokep_work> You can do that with IRC too. :P 20:13:35 <aleth> XMPP supports VoIP 20:13:48 <aleth> well, voice chats 20:13:55 <clokep_work> And video. 20:14:00 <clokep_work> Idk what programs really support it though. 20:14:07 <clokep_work> GTalk supports it's own twisted version. 20:14:09 <aleth> _that_ would probably be a big project 20:14:11 <flo> I'm surprised nobody though about file transfer first :-P 20:14:30 <clokep_work> flo: My first thought was whiteboarding! :-D 20:14:40 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 20:14:59 <flo> clokep_work: that typewithme thing should really be handled in Instantbird ;) 20:15:06 <aleth> that would be cool 20:15:13 <flo> wait, can we make a protocol plugin for it? 20:15:24 <flo> it's a MUC with a different content in the conversation browser 20:15:39 <flo> sounds like a fun add-on to write :) 20:15:53 <clokep_work> flo: Well it's actually two simultaneous conversations, isn't it? 20:15:53 <aleth> coccinella for example has svg whiteboarding support 20:16:13 <flo> clokep_work: 2? 20:16:26 <clokep_work> It's a MUC (there's chat on the side) + the shared document. 20:16:38 <flo> ah, I didn't know about the chat 20:16:45 <flo> is it actually useful? 20:17:05 <clokep_work> Probably not. :) 20:17:12 <clokep_work> Not if you are using it via IRC, etc. 20:17:13 <aleth> developed by the US Joint Forces Command, as I just discovered 20:18:22 <aleth> What would be useful would be a shared *text* space 20:18:31 * clokep_work is checking whether there's an API....although I'm sure it's not very complicated. 20:18:40 <clokep_work> aleth: That's what we're discussing right now. ;) 20:19:00 <flo> we don't need an API 20:19:05 <flo> just put it in the browser 20:19:07 <aleth> ah :) I thought whiteboarding always referred to SVG 20:19:09 <flo> hide the useless parts with CSS 20:19:18 <flo> and do some JS magic to get the nicklist changes 20:19:51 <clokep_work> :) OK. 20:20:12 <clokep_work> Well whiteboarding usually refers to like freedrawing, but the conversation morphed. 20:20:26 <flo> how is that side funded by the way? I haven't noticed ads there 20:20:37 <clokep_work> I hvae no idea. 20:20:45 <clokep_work> The software itself is free, open-source though. 20:20:54 <flo> really? 20:20:57 <flo> that's even better! 20:20:57 <clokep_work> So we could put it onto ib.org if we wanted. 20:21:00 <clokep_work> Yes, it's just etherpad. 20:21:02 <flo> we could install it 20:21:18 <clokep_work> flo: http://etherpad.org/ 20:21:29 <flo> and have instantbird use it between each others, and others have a link <with some ads on the page!> to fund us :) 20:21:46 <aleth> But if you host it centrally, how do you ensure privacy? 20:21:56 <aleth> Sounds like work 20:22:07 <flo> can it be adapted to be hosted on google app engine, so that we have nothing to pay for it? 20:22:07 <clokep_work> The point of them is that they're open...if you have the link. 20:22:16 <clokep_work> Someone has probably done it. 20:22:41 <flo> I would like to host a pastebin there too 20:22:42 <aleth> Ah right, you are basically thinking of integrating a web app 20:22:56 <clokep_work> aleth: Although that site does say something about "private" ones with a pro account...not sure exactly how that's done. :) 20:23:19 <aleth> clokep_work: by crossing fingers and trusting them probably ;) 20:23:24 <flo> clokep_work: that probably some marketing BS for "https" ;) 20:23:47 <aleth> heh, like Dropbox 20:24:23 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 20:24:33 <aleth> flo: But an integrated pastebin would be excellent 20:24:37 <flo> I'm ashamed of how many typos I make today :( 20:24:55 <flo> I tried to proofread at least twice the emails I sent to journalists but :( 20:25:19 <flo> aleth: it's already planned 20:25:59 <aleth> nice :) 20:25:59 <flo> but before implementing that, I should try to remember that we are just pidgin with some funky themes and consuming more memory. :-P 20:26:38 <aleth> but less crashes than 0.4 :p 20:26:44 <aleth> so there is hope :) 20:28:18 <clokep_work> Time for me to go I think. I'll be back later to work on JS-IRC and/or SIPE. ;) 20:28:44 <flo> I can probably help you with SIPE if you give me the source ;) 20:29:44 <clokep_work> Yes, I figured. :) I was waiting until after the release before I asked for real help. 20:30:34 <clokep_work> Bye! 20:30:36 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:32:52 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 20:35:55 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 20:36:04 <ig0rk0> flo ping 20:36:52 <flo> ig0rk0: no :-P 20:36:58 <ig0rk0> Modifying install.rdf: i need to replace <!-- Firefox -->etc with <!-- Instantbird //--> or add it below? 20:37:18 <flo> doesn't matter, both work 20:37:55 <ig0rk0> ok. And second question I unpacked xpi with 7zip How to pack it back? ;) 20:39:36 <ig0rk0> (i 'm too lazy to read full faq ;)) 20:39:37 <flo> it's just a zip 20:39:44 <ig0rk0> ok 20:39:49 <flo> so zip it and then rename .zip -> .xpi 20:40:01 <ig0rk0> yeah got it 20:41:20 <ig0rk0> need to update app... 20:41:25 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 20:42:55 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 20:44:35 --> groovecoder has joined #instantbird 20:45:06 <flo> hello :) 20:45:16 <groovecoder> hey all! I'm trying IB 1.0 today and I like it! but, how do I enable growl notifications on Mac? 20:45:16 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 20:45:33 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 20:46:09 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:46:10 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 20:46:15 <ig0rk0> http://pastie.org/2136213 it's chrome.manifest. What need i to change here? 20:46:54 <flo> groovecoder: there's an option on the "General" tab of the preference window for that 20:47:08 <flo> "notify of new messages in inactive windows" I think 20:47:22 <flo> (not sure of the wording, I'm currently running a localized version) 20:47:58 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:47:59 <groovecoder> cool, I think I found that right before you said that because your "groovecoder: ..." message came up in growl ;) 20:48:26 <flo> if you need/want it also for status changes of your contacts, there's an add-on for that 20:48:48 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 20:48:50 <groovecoder> now my only other cord back to Adium is all of the chat logs I had there. does IB have a chat log viewer? 20:49:02 <flo> yes 20:49:13 <flo> it needs some love, but we have a very basic one 20:49:29 <flo> in the future we would like to import and convert the logs of the previous client so that they are all in one place :) 20:49:42 <flo> (that's a lot of work though!) 20:49:46 <groovecoder> flo: yeah that'd be awesome 20:50:00 <groovecoder> as is, I like InstantBird a lot 20:50:12 <flo> thanks :) 20:50:38 <groovecoder> I think IM was my last non-Mozilla app 20:50:47 <flo> ahah :) 20:50:48 <groovecoder> now I'm on Songbird, Thunderbird, Instantbird, and Firefox 20:50:56 <groovecoder> and Terminal+vim 20:51:11 <flo> maybe we will have a mozilla terminal someday :) 20:51:23 <groovecoder> I'm holding out for Mozilla operating system :) 20:51:29 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 20:51:33 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 20:51:45 <flo> I almost know one ;) 20:51:45 <groovecoder> of course, operating system and browsers are starting to converge, so ... it may actually happen 20:51:59 <aleth> and vice versa http://bellard.org/jslinux/ ;) 20:52:10 <groovecoder> yeah 20:52:23 <groovecoder> anyway, thanks for the note. and congrats on the 1.0 release! 20:52:31 <flo> thanks :) 20:52:47 <groovecoder> if you have any developer docs, you should host them over with us at developer.mozilla.org! ;) 20:53:03 <flo> "with us"? 20:53:18 <ig0rk0> flo could you watch that paste? 20:53:39 <ig0rk0> it's integrated in instant but seems doesn't work :( 20:53:58 <flo> what is it supposed to do? 20:54:12 <flo> It's trying to plug itself on the browser window of Firefox (which we don't have) 20:54:34 <flo> you should do that either on the contact list or the conversations window (or both, depending on what the add-on is trying to do) 20:55:36 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 20:56:16 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:56:16 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:01:17 <ig0rk0> what is gd12 ? 21:02:10 <flo> the name of your add-on obviously 21:02:27 <ig0rk0> hm... 21:02:48 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 21:02:50 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 21:02:56 <flo> which add-on is this? 21:03:14 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 21:03:19 --> ig0rk0 has joined #instantbird 21:05:08 <ig0rk0> hm I see it in mouse context menu 21:05:53 <ig0rk0> interesting how "translate page" could work in Instantbird :) 21:13:43 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 21:13:49 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:13:49 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:17:30 <aleth> lol https://twitter.com/#!/gorakhargosh/status/85804969793560576 21:19:08 <ig0rk0> it doesn't work :( 21:21:53 <ig0rk0> how can i edit jar file? 21:22:01 <ig0rk0> without any IDE... 21:22:13 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 21:22:16 <aleth> you have to unpack it 21:22:31 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 21:22:32 --> kelopez has joined #instantbird 21:23:15 <flo> ig0rk0: the jar is another renamed zip 21:23:26 <ig0rk0> zip is around us :) 21:27:16 <-- groovecoder has left #instantbird () 21:27:40 <ig0rk0> it's not too much comlicated... 21:27:51 <ig0rk0> but anyway it doesn't work :) 21:28:32 <deOmega> so..., i see this was launched on the same day as Thunderbird 5? :) All planned ahead, huh? 21:28:57 <-- ig0rk0 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 21:30:26 <flo> I had no idea about the Thunderbird launch date 21:30:48 <aleth> Google+ launched today too 21:30:53 <aleth> popular date :p 21:32:38 <deOmega> Then, good instinct :) 21:41:06 <kelopez> thunderbird 5 wtf 21:41:56 <kelopez> last version was 3 21:43:17 <flo> it's just a Fibonacci based numbering scheme ;) 21:43:35 <aleth> now there's an idea 21:43:40 <aleth> reminds me of the TeX version numbering 21:44:08 <deOmega> kelopez: yeah, saw the update just after i updated to 3.something :) 21:44:43 <kelopez> lol 21:44:47 <kelopez> that is werid 21:44:51 <kelopez> weird 21:45:48 <flo> I know a project that went from 0.3 to 1.0 overnight, so 3.0 to 5.0 may not be that big of a jump after all ;) 21:46:29 <deOmega> I wonder which project is that :) 21:46:36 <kelopez> wink wink 21:46:40 <kelopez> ;) ;) 21:46:56 <deOmega> but seriously, launched on the same day and bumped similarly :) 21:47:44 <deOmega> one would think there is some kind of synchronization. 21:47:57 <flo> are there major changes in that thunderbird release? 21:48:21 <deOmega> Very major from my perspective 21:48:37 <deOmega> for one, it is fully glass, same way IB became fully glass 21:49:12 <deOmega> actually... IB has a pad behind the tabs whereas firefox and TB do not. it just has that area as glass or whatever it is called 21:50:34 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:50:34 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:51:13 <deOmega> will harass mic about that after he gets some rest lol 21:51:40 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 21:52:24 <kelopez> how can I force 21:52:26 <kelopez> nvm 21:52:26 <kelopez> xD 21:54:33 <deOmega> I never understood why minimize to tray, does not seem appealing as a non-addon feature for tbird.. especially when one runs calendars with alarms. 21:54:52 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:54:53 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:54:59 <deOmega> I am in trouble if tbird is not running. 21:55:50 * clokep doesn't minimize Tb to tray. ;) 21:56:07 <deOmega> how do you handle it? 21:56:08 <clokep> The problem is that the developers could never degree on a good API fo tray support, that's why it's not part of the toolkit. 21:56:15 <clokep> I minimize to the Windows 7 taskbar. 21:56:34 <deOmega> so then you hit minimize? 21:56:44 <clokep> Or I just leave it in the background, but yes. 21:58:19 <deOmega> man, i wish i could show you my taskbar during the day. packed 21:58:31 <flo> has anybody tried summiting something to slashdot? 21:58:50 <flo> if it's packed, call Mic :-P 21:59:02 <clokep> My taskbar is rather packed too. ;) 21:59:07 <deOmega> minimize to tray is not working in it now, so i have to work with what you do. 21:59:21 <deOmega> man, and it doe snot get in teh way? 21:59:29 <clokep> deOmega: You don't need the extension anymore with 0.3b1 or 1.0. 21:59:48 <flo> he's talking about thunderbird 21:59:56 <deOmega> oh, i meant TB, i am sorry. TBird 5 22:00:19 <clokep> Ohhhh, sorry. 22:00:27 <clokep> The problem w/ binary components. ;) 22:00:39 <deOmega> what i get for discussing an unrelated product hehe 22:00:53 <clokep> The author is very responsive, he'll have it fixed soon I'm sure. 22:00:53 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 22:01:06 <kelopez> I've posted info about IB here: http://malwareup.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2620 22:01:49 <clokep> And no, I haven't posted to slashdot flo, I try to stay away from that site. 22:02:01 <deOmega> it is there 22:02:11 <kelopez> no 22:02:13 <kelopez> /. no 22:02:34 <kelopez> it will make a heater of the servers xD 22:03:10 <deOmega> http://freshmeat.net/projects/instantbird?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+freshmeat%2Ffeeds%2Ffm-releases-global+%28Freshmeat%3A+All+Software%29#release_333636 22:03:15 <flo> kelopez: if that makes more users, I don't care about how warm the server is ;) 22:03:29 <kelopez> ok 22:03:35 <deOmega> that is supposed to be via slashdot 22:04:19 <flo> deOmega: I posted on freshmeat ;) 22:04:22 <kelopez> ok 22:04:23 <kelopez> so 22:04:40 <deOmega> oh, i was going by this :) 22:04:43 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 22:04:54 <deOmega> wel, by the google live feed 22:04:59 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 22:05:23 <kelopez> http://blog.a1arte.com/instantbird-cliente-de-mensajeria-multiplataforma-con-variedad-de-servicios/ 22:06:13 <deOmega> I see flo :) 22:07:05 <kelopez> hm 22:07:31 <kelopez> why there is instantbird.com (or instantbird.im) AND instantbird.org 22:07:32 <kelopez> ? 22:08:28 <kelopez> anyway I'm gonna make an account at the wiki 22:08:33 <flo> kelopez: one for the product, one for the project 22:08:44 <kelopez> ok 22:09:03 <flo> (another way to say it is: .com is for users, .org for contributors) 22:09:21 <kelopez> ok 22:09:37 <kelopez> flo what's the software that powers the addons' website? 22:09:52 <clokep> It's remora, Mozilla's old add-on site software, It's in the HG repo. 22:10:16 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 22:10:30 <kelopez> ok thx 22:10:39 <kelopez> lulz "Warning: Remora is no longer maintained" 22:11:51 <flo> clokep: so what's the problem with that site? 22:11:59 <clokep> flo: What site? 22:12:00 <flo> Isn't it a good way to attract more potential users? 22:12:04 <flo> /. 22:12:09 <clokep> Ohhhh. 22:12:13 <kelopez> slashdot barrapunto 22:12:15 <clokep> I just don't understand it. :) 22:12:21 <clokep> Yes, it's a good way to attract more usres. 22:12:28 <clokep> Just a lot of people on it are dumba nd it frustrates me. 22:13:00 <flo> how do they select articles? 22:13:24 <flo> we have no obligation of replying to all the dumb comments ;) 22:14:40 <kelopez> 02:26:32 --> kelopez has joined #instantbird 22:14:40 <kelopez> 02:26:53 <kelopez> hey guys, sup 22:14:41 <kelopez> xD 22:15:33 <clokep> I don't know how they select stuff. :-/ 22:15:35 <flo> hmm, so what should I put in that submit story form? :-S 22:15:46 <clokep> The press release? ;) 22:15:58 <flo> for the link yes 22:16:14 <flo> but I'm looking for a catchy title 22:16:35 <flo> I wanted "Mozilla based Instant messaging: Instantbird 1.0 released" but it's too long (cut after "1.0 r") 22:17:00 <kelopez> Mozilla based IM 22:17:02 <kelopez> ;) 22:17:20 <clokep> Or just say "messaging"? 22:18:18 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 22:18:23 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 22:18:57 <flo> "Mozilla based messaging: Instantbird 1.0 released" works, only 1 character left :-D 22:19:09 <kelopez> xD 22:19:22 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 22:19:47 <kelopez> you give the link to the story ;) 22:20:39 <flo> in the "Your Scoop:" box, is it OK if I just put the second and third paragraph of the press release (the URL of which I put in the "Story Url:" box) 22:20:51 <clokep> Probably. 22:23:23 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 22:25:21 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/841 22:27:31 <flo> sounds ok? 22:27:33 <clokep> Looks fine. :) 22:28:27 <flo> the press release may not be the good link to put 22:28:33 <flo> the download link isn't obvious enough on it 22:28:55 <flo> I'll put the blog post instead 22:31:02 <flo> http://slashdot.org/submission/1682306/Mozilla-based-messaging-Instantbird-10-released 22:32:19 <flo> so should we ask people to create an account, log in and vote for it? :-S 22:32:23 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:32:36 <flo> should we also put links on digg and similar sites? 22:32:53 <clokep> Probably. 22:33:49 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 22:34:05 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 22:34:18 <kelopez> "Anonymous Coward" 22:34:19 <kelopez> XD 22:42:51 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 22:43:19 <deOmega> redd.it/ibqcb 22:43:57 <deOmega> Someone is going to start a war or words lol 22:44:21 <aleth> now there's a friendly comment :( 22:44:30 <deOmega> Is there any support for encryption between clients? Pretty much the only reason I still use trillian. 22:44:36 <clokep> No. 22:44:41 <clokep> We don't support OTR yet. 22:44:44 <clokep> We want to though. 22:44:47 <clokep> (off the record) 22:45:03 <deOmega> so teh best response is no response 22:45:12 <clokep> Probably. 22:45:38 <clokep> I really don't understand how someone can say it looks like a "shitter version of Pidgin", seriously. Does no one look at Pidgin? 22:47:12 <aleth> wins the prize for Most Unlikely Comment 22:47:26 <aleth> but then, the guy took max 10 minutes to make up his mind... 22:48:12 <clokep> Yup! :) 22:48:21 <clokep> Anyway I'd rather develop then watch comments. ;) 22:49:09 <kelopez> "This story has 0 Comments" :( 22:50:33 <deOmega> ok, here is another on reddit 22:50:36 <deOmega> redd.it/ibi6o 22:50:55 <deOmega> hmm 22:50:58 <deOmega> http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/ibi6o/instantbird_10_released_crossplatform/ 22:52:03 <aleth> an improvement 22:52:05 <kelopez> "Why is it so hard for open source devs to use a standard MSI for windows installations? Your install.exe breaks s***. Stop it. 22:52:05 <kelopez> " 22:52:32 <kelopez> -"hopefully doesn't leak like pidgin when used exclusively in remote desktop environment..." 22:52:32 <kelopez> -"What does pidgin leak?" 22:52:32 <kelopez> -"Bird poo" XD 22:52:50 <deOmega> rotflol 22:52:59 <clokep> I believe mbrubeck is a Mozilla guy? 22:53:47 <aleth> clicking on his name brings up tons of firefox related posts 22:54:09 <deOmega> http://twitter.com/#!/mbrubeck 22:54:50 <deOmega> alright guys, i am really out of here now. have a great evening and the rest you deserve. night 22:55:11 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 23:02:52 <-- roflo1 has left #instantbird () 23:02:56 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 23:08:32 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 23:10:04 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:13:09 --> flo1 has joined #instantbird 23:13:56 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 23:24:01 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 23:24:19 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 23:36:26 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3pre) 23:36:28 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:36:28 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 23:37:24 <clokep> flo1: If you want to get rid of tabs in IRC>...JS-IRC might not help out. ;) 23:37:36 <clokep> Just signed into moznet and freenode and had six tabs open. :P 23:37:57 <clokep> (2 servers, 2 NickServs, Silver and a services tab) 23:37:57 <flo1> what will help is that I can hack it ;) 23:38:15 <flo1> Silver opens on connect? 23:38:26 <clokep> He pings everyone w/ VERSION. 23:38:41 <clokep> (Everyone that comes into #chatzilla, i.e. what I'm going to do in #instantbird) 23:39:04 <flo1> that should go to the error console, not a conversation tab 23:39:17 <clokep> I haven't implemented handling of VERSION yet. ;) 23:41:21 <flo1> there's someone asking for deleting/removing tags again 23:41:25 <flo1> (in a blog comment) 23:41:32 <flo1> what could be a decent UI for that? 23:42:45 <clokep> An 'x' on the side? ;) 23:43:37 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23:45:05 <clokep> I'm seriously not sure though. 23:45:26 <clokep> Maybe a "manage tags" UI? But we shouldn't really need to do that. 23:45:35 <flo1> an 'x' inside a menu item? bleah 23:45:57 <clokep> Can we just do a "Delete tag" on the context menu? 23:46:01 <clokep> (When you click on a tag) 23:46:03 <flo1> can we just completely hide tags that have no buddies? 23:46:17 <clokep> I think so. 23:46:24 <flo1> if it's empty it won't be displayed, so you can't click it 23:46:25 <flo1> I think the annoyance is that it clutters the list 23:46:26 <clokep> The add buddy window lists all the tags anyway. 23:47:20 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:48:56 <flo1> have you seen that love letter on the contact mailing list? 23:49:27 <clokep> Mhhm. :) 23:54:08 <clokep> Make me all warm inside. :) 23:56:07 <kelopez> lolz 23:56:19 <kelopez> cya guys 23:56:22 <-- kelopez has left #instantbird ()