#instantbird log on 06 25 2011

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00:13:16 <flo> Good night
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00:42:55 <deOmega> hi, so we have all of these message styles that are not compatible with  ib.  Now,  how would i go about   uploading one that  I modified to be compatible.. or is that something that will be done soon en bloc as before?
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00:46:32 <deOmega> have a good evening, will check the log for a response.  bye
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03:04:03 <clokep> deOmega: Did you actually edit it or did you just bump the version?
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05:30:29 <rikki> just out of interest has anyone else experienced annoyenced with the time making the username too long for chats and continueing it on a new line?
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05:54:32 <douglaswth> I made a tab completion add-on that supports both commands and nicks: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/276
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07:16:58 <Mic> Good morning
07:21:17 <FeuerFliege> hi
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07:21:39 <FeuerFliege> Mic: did you already made the screenshots?
07:22:01 <Mic> I'm getting ready to do so at the moment
07:22:25 <FeuerFliege> Mic: i made localized ones and I must say it is not so easy with all the semi-transparent glass
07:23:01 <Mic> Ah, what exactly did you do?
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07:24:01 <FeuerFliege> http://files.florian-janssen.de/instantbird_pix_de.zip
07:24:04 <Mic> I'd chose white as background color and use the tool that copies the shadows as well
07:24:57 <FeuerFliege> Mic: but that will not capture the transparency
07:25:10 <FeuerFliege> or will it?
07:25:56 <Mic> No it won't but even if you have the transparency you'd still lose the blur-effect that glass also has beside its transparency
07:26:57 <Mic> So I guess it doesn't matter since eventually we'd get it wrong one way or another ?
07:27:29 <FeuerFliege> Mic: I blured the other windows manually
07:27:44 <Mic> There's a typo in screenshot 1 btw :S
07:28:06 <Mic> "hälst" should be "hältst"
07:28:37 <FeuerFliege> arg.
07:29:16 <FeuerFliege> thanks
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07:33:19 <flo> hello :)
07:33:44 <flo> Our italian translator was the fastest and already has localized the webpages that are localizables :)
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07:34:28 <Mic> Nice to see that 'it' was done so quickly ;) scnr
07:34:36 <flo> héhé :)
07:35:12 <flo> Mic: I resisted the temptation to write: 'it' is the first locale ready for the website!
07:36:46 <Mic> d'oh .. I just tried closing one of the captured windows when viewing FeuerFliege's localized screenshots
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07:38:00 <flo> Mic: it's a good indicaton that the screenshots are good! ;)
07:38:07 <flo> if you want to click them :)
07:40:16 <Mic> Yes, the things I saw were german and the glass color was the same as mine and the left part of the account manager were hidden so there was no easy way to tell that it isn't the right one
07:40:35 <Mic> Beside that the window had the foreground look while it shouldn't have
07:40:54 <Mic> *active
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07:41:44 <flo> it seems he tried to show exactly the same thing as what we have in the current website screenshot. If so the screenshot ib08.png is not showing what it should (the point of that image was to show the findbar IIRC)
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07:42:28 <flo> and I wonder why that screenshot with the findbar is not visible in my list at http://www-staging.instantbird.com/screenshots-to-update.html
07:42:32 <Mic> Yes, the string is duplicated elsewhere, he just left early ;)
07:43:25 <flo> uh?
07:43:40 <Mic> Ah, it wasn't about the typo then?
07:44:03 <Mic> Boeh, I should read what you write instead ..
07:44:07 <Mic> nevermind
07:45:04 <flo> the transparency effect on glass looks pretty nice on the screenshots by the way :)
07:45:04 <FeuerFliege> damn typo
07:45:42 <flo> and the first screenshot of the serie would be pretty nice to have on some German websites :)
07:45:43 <Mic> FeuerFliege: the typo is on other screenshots too, 03 and  05 if I'm not mistaken
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07:45:55 <FeuerFliege> Mic: same string
07:46:06 <flo> by the way, any plan for a way to distribute them to journalists?
07:46:44 <Mic> ok, so there should be transparency on the glass
07:47:22 <flo> well, if there is not it's not terrible either. It's your work you can decide how it should be presented ;)
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07:48:17 <FeuerFliege> Mic: I am using ScreenshotCaptor.
07:48:21 <Mic> Has any of you noticed that Firefox is missing the blur effect on the glass fram of its doorhander notifications btw? ;)
07:49:01 <Mic> So I guess they fake it...
07:49:03 <FeuerFliege> “doorhander notifications”?
07:49:18 <flo> arg, I completely missed the press/screenshots/ folder of the website when I made the list of screenshots needing an update :(
07:49:29 <flo> good thing some people are smarter than I am :)
07:49:57 <Mic> *doorhanger, that's what they're called aren't they? The things that asks if passwords are saved or geolocation information should be returned to websites..
07:50:17 <Mic> *should be saved
07:50:36 <Mic> Nevermind, I talk too much ;)
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07:52:03 <flo> it seems idechix won't really help us for the screenshots this year so if any of you has time for the screenshots of XP/Ubuntu/Mac, it would be appreciated too :)
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07:54:50 <Mook> <3 images/screenshots/linux-powerful-tools-big.png shows a screenshot-in-a-screenshot.. and the inner screenshot is winxp
07:55:03 <Mook> (I'm just silly nitpicking, ignore me)
07:55:58 <flo> Mook: hello :)
07:56:05 <Mook> flo: hi!
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07:56:30 <flo> that screenshot will be updated/replaced and the new add-on manager doesn't show screenshots anymore ;)
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07:57:02 <Mook> oh, right. not in that view, at least :)
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07:58:19 <mistraven> hmm, i have a question, is it possible for me to take one of my currently installed message styles and use it as base for making a new one with some modifications?
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07:59:54 <Mic> mistraven: sure
08:01:42 <mistraven> i'm looking for the simple message style since i want to see how it is built, and that one can't be downloaded from the website
08:01:51 <Mic> It's located in the extensions folder in your profile but you can download any other theme from AIO and unpack it. XPI files are zip archives with a different file extension, you can use almost any unpacking tool (or builtin Windows 'compressed folders' support) to get access to the contents
08:02:15 <Mic> If you need general information on messagestyles, you can have a look here: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Message_Styles_reference
08:02:38 <mistraven> thanks, i found the reference page :)
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08:06:07 <mistraven> now i know what i did wrong, i was looking in the "myprofile/AppData/Local/Instantbird" folder instead of "myprofile/AppData/Roaming/Instantbird" folder
08:06:11 <flo> the simple message style is not an extension. You can find it in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/messages/simple/
08:06:36 <mistraven> flo: thanks :)
08:06:43 <flo> np
08:06:45 <flo> have fun :)
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08:10:01 <Mic> Ah..! :)
08:10:49 <Mic> Now even I got it ;)
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08:33:33 <flo> hmm, what does it mean on hg when a changeset has: parent:      -1:000000000000    ?
08:34:08 <flo> (well, it's obvious that it means I've screwed up something, but I'm wondering what :-D)
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08:44:56 * flo is playing with hg convert to create an en-US repository updated automatically at each commit on either of the application or website repository
08:45:09 <flo> it's too messy to ask translators to clone all our code repositories ;)
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09:09:53 <flo> it's the changeset -1, not 0 :-/.
09:10:19 <flo> changeset 0 is the first in the repository
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09:17:22 <flo> I think I've found a set of commands that gives approximately the result I wanted (the only downside is I end-up having 1 merge changeset in the en-US repository per hg push in the other repositories, but I can live with that)
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10:21:52 <clokep> Looks like you guys ar emaking good progress on screenshots. :)
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10:27:22 <clokep> douglaswth: Nice extension. :)
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10:30:28 <flo> clokep: hello :)
10:31:16 <clokep> flo: Hello! I'm leaving to go white water rafting, just checking the weather. ;)
10:31:21 <clokep> Too bad we don't have a toolbar for it. :P
10:31:48 <flo> instantbot: tell clokep the weather is crappy and he would better stay here.
10:31:49 <instantbot> flo: ok
10:31:51 <flo> :-P
10:32:16 <flo> seriously though, have fun :)
10:33:05 <clokep> Hah, thanks.
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10:33:19 <clokep> The weather is rather crappy. ;) 60's and thunderstorms.
10:35:23 <clokep> Bye!
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10:54:27 <flo> https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/en-US/file/tip/ I think this will clarify things a lot :)
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11:17:11 <FeuerFliege> flo: that was a good idea! 
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11:18:27 <flo> the idea is not new, but I've finaly found the motivation to find the way to make it actually work ;)
11:18:46 <flo> and having 2 separate repositories that trnaslators needed to check for the new en-US strings was really messy
11:19:25 <FeuerFliege> when I wanted to commit the translation of the webpage windows in my virtual machine died and refuses to boot again :( 
11:20:57 <flo> you are translating on Windows in a VM?
11:21:27 <FeuerFliege> flo: yes.
11:21:34 <flo> what's the OS outside the VM?
11:21:53 <FeuerFliege> windows 7 in a windows 7 VM
11:22:14 <flo> what's the point of the VM then? :)
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11:23:52 <FeuerFliege> the mozilla build enviroment and its dependencies really mess a lot around. With windows in a VM my normal system stays clean.
11:24:47 <FeuerFliege> the localization would be possible outside, but inside I already had mercurial and I tried to build instantbird myself.
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11:25:34 <flo> hmm ok
11:25:49 <flo> mozilla-build seemed pretty clean to me (it's all in a single folder! :))
11:26:04 <flo> but installing Visual Studio can mess lots of things up :)
11:26:09 <FeuerFliege> flo: mozilla yes, ms not so much
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11:31:05 <FeuerFliege> translation lost :(
11:31:17 <FeuerFliege> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Tress85/fuuuuu.png
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11:32:34 <flo> http://www-staging.instantbird.com/it/ :)
11:34:40 <FeuerFliege> ah, si si. Non ci sono problemi!
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11:42:49 <flo> ok, all pushes to l10n repositories should update automatically the corresponding locale on the staging website :)
11:43:01 <flo> you will be able to see and test your changes immediately
11:43:21 <flo> I'll email everybody again to announce that after lunch
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13:55:19 <flo> FeuerFliege: I'm looking into why your file failed to appear on the staging website
13:56:07 <FeuerFliege> flo: no need to. i just uploaded a single website file
13:56:21 <flo> I know. And you probably have an encoding error in it.
13:56:31 <flo> but I would like to know why my stuff doesn't work as expected!
13:56:32 <FeuerFliege> and i think i forget ansi - utf8 again
13:59:08 <FeuerFliege> I restored a older VM Snapshot and obviously it was before I set the editor to UTF-8
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14:00:26 <flo> http://www-staging.instantbird.com/de/release-notes.html yeah, you have an encoding issue
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14:07:00 <flo> fixed!
14:07:08 <flo> your next pushes should update the website immediately
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14:25:00 <FeuerFliege> flo: I think there is a typo: “Instant mess_e_nging has never been easier! Learn more.”
14:25:49 <flo> you mean it should be messaging?
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14:32:04 <FeuerFliege> flo: I think so or is it like messenger?
14:32:16 <flo> I think messenger is an AOL trademark :-/
14:32:26 <flo> so yes, messaging sounds safer
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14:40:04 <flo> fixed :)
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15:47:20 <FeuerFliege> flo: release is scheduled for Tuesday?
15:48:01 <flo> yes
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15:56:31 <FeuerFliege> no answer from the owner of the old German dictionary addon yet.
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20:22:38 <Mic> douglaswth: I enjoyed reading the source of your tab complete extension :)
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20:41:08 <flo> Mic: maybe I should review it? :)
20:41:20 <flo> if Even hasn't done so already
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20:46:05 <Even> review what ?
20:46:25 <flo> an add-on
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21:23:04 <flo> http://typewith.me/0uJOEeg45K
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21:51:35 <flo> any progress on the screenshots?
21:51:48 <flo> any body has some spare time to continue the localizability work on the website?
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22:21:01 <FeuerFliege> flo: which screenshots are missing?
22:21:32 <flo> those you took this morning in de. The same in en-US on XP, 7-aero, Ubuntu 11.04, Mac OS X.
22:22:13 <FeuerFliege> I can do XP and aero
22:22:17 <flo> basically all the website screenshots need an update
22:23:00 <flo> I would appreciate it :) (just make sure you are not duplicating work that Mic has started but not sent yet)
22:23:21 <FeuerFliege> Is there a list of all the pictures?
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22:23:54 <FeuerFliege> http://instantbird.com/press-images.html
22:24:06 <flo> http://www-staging.instantbird.com/screenshots-to-update.html
22:24:09 <FeuerFliege> and here are some more
22:24:21 <FeuerFliege> just found it 
22:24:24 <FeuerFliege> ;)
22:24:38 <flo> but I missed some that are on the press-images page
22:25:44 <FeuerFliege> I have now win7-areo pictures of both sets (in de)
22:26:13 <FeuerFliege> I will make those in en-US with aero and win xp
22:26:38 <flo> do you also have image editing skills? :)
22:27:04 <flo> (to make things like http://www-staging.instantbird.com/images/screenshots/cross-platform-big.png for example)
22:27:38 <FeuerFliege> Hm skills… I can handle Gimp. 
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22:28:26 <FeuerFliege> for those crossover picture it is more than enough, but I need the mac and ubuntu pics
22:28:45 <flo> if you can/want to coordinate the screenshoting effort it would be awesome
22:28:54 <flo> I can provide the mac raw screenshots
22:29:00 <flo> vicnet said he could provide the ubuntu ones
22:29:09 <FeuerFliege> ok 
22:29:24 <FeuerFliege> give me a link or send a mail
22:29:26 <flo> (ping him about it the next time you see him here)
22:29:38 <FeuerFliege> ok
22:29:58 <flo> if he doesn't do them quickly enough, I'll install an ubuntu VM for it
22:30:14 <flo> (my ubuntu system is way out of date, it would be very noticeable on the screenshots)
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22:30:54 <flo> by the way, you also know how to use hg I think? If you want I can give you hg write access to websites/www.instantbird.com, so that your work can appear immediately on www-staging
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22:44:55 <FeuerFliege> I know the basics ;) Is the www.instantbird.com folder for www-staging and .org is the live website? 
22:45:09 <flo> .org is for www.instantbird.org
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22:45:43 <flo> www-staging currently shows the 1.0 branch of the www.instantbird.com repository
22:45:50 <flo> automatically updated after each push
22:45:59 <flo> www.instantbird.com (the website) is manually updated "when ready"
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23:01:25 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
23:01:26 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n46-user-icons.html - User icons
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23:13:56 <sonny> this bot is so powerfull :)
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23:15:36 <flo> sonny: uh?
23:15:43 <flo> it's the same as firebot ;)
23:16:41 <sonny> really? I never saw firebot handle RSS/ATOM feeds
23:17:17 <flo> I don't know in which channel it does, but it's clearly a built-in feature :)
23:17:26 <sonny> cool :)
23:17:39 <flo> instantbot: botsnack
23:17:40 <instantbot> yay
23:17:51 <sonny> instantbot, instantbird
23:18:08 <sonny> definirations are disable?
23:18:15 <sonny> definitions*
23:18:17 <flo> they should work
23:18:26 <sonny> instantbot: instantbird
23:18:41 <flo> give him some time to ask his friends ;)
23:19:02 <sonny> :)
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23:19:22 <sonny> instantbot not knowing what instantbird is would be a shame :)
23:19:23 <instantbot> sonny: ok
23:19:40 <sonny> oO :p
23:19:44 <sonny> instantbot, ?
23:19:45 <flo> instantbot: not knowing what instantbird
23:19:46 <instantbot> flo: not knowing what instantbird is would be a shame :)
23:19:47 <instantbot> sonny: Sorry, I've no idea what '?' might be.
23:19:53 <instantbot> sonny: firebot knew: hmm... I think ? is a cross between a question and a tongue stuck out
23:20:07 <sonny> instantbot, instantbird
23:20:11 <flo> it took him some time to actually wake up ;)
23:20:21 <flo> instantbot: forget not knowing what instantbird
23:20:22 <instantbot> flo: I've forgotten what I knew about 'not knowing what instantbird'.
23:20:29 <sonny> :p
23:21:07 <flo> instantbot: instantbird is <REPLY>Instantbird is the best IM client ever. Come on, everybody here already knows that!
23:21:08 <instantbot> flo: ok
23:21:14 <flo> instantbot: instantbird
23:21:38 <flo> ahem
23:21:47 <flo> instantbot: what's instantbird?
23:21:48 <instantbot> flo: um... instantbird is <REPLY>Instantbird is the best IM client ever. Come on, everybody here already knows that!
23:21:49 <sonny> He don't want to tell you :p
23:22:08 <sonny> so close... :)
23:22:08 <flo> hmm, the syntax isn't right :(
23:22:19 <sonny> instantbot forget instantbird
23:22:20 <instantbot> sonny: I've forgotten what I knew about 'instantbird'.
23:22:34 <sonny> instantbot instantbird is the best IM client ever. Come on, everybody here already knows that!
23:22:35 <instantbot> sonny: ok
23:22:40 <sonny> instantbot, Instantbird
23:22:42 <instantbot> sonny: Items in Instantbird Changelog - http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/: 
23:22:42 <sonny> instantbot, instantbird
23:22:46 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ba8584aa89cd - Florian Quèze - Attempt to avoid some pointless '<display name> is now <status type>' system messages in XMPP conversations when the status changes on another resource.
23:22:47 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/081800f32b6c - Patrick Cloke - Bug 650 - Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline, r=fqueze.
23:22:48 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d92090022fc0 - Florian Quèze - Bug 846 - Blank spaces when a contact signs off that was in a collapsed group while signing on.
23:22:49 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/089e3aea6349 - Florian Quèze - Set version number to 1.0, change default revisions in client.py and add shipped-locales.
23:22:50 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d30455356be8 - Florian Quèze - Follow-up to bug 650 to avoid connecting several times the same twitter account.
23:22:51 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/444e8f69b909 - Florian Quèze - Best effort attempt to display error messages returned by the twitter servers.
23:22:52 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/84f6b7c61d5d - Florian Quèze - Avoid race conditions in buddy animations when expanding/collapsing contacts.
23:22:53 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/48862074fd8c - Florian Quèze - Attempt to improve the appearance of expanded contacts and their drop target.
23:22:54 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ca16aba596fb - Florian Quèze - Bug 675 - Add timers to ensure contact CSS transitions always finish.
23:22:55 <instantbot> sonny: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ee83e4547a98 - Florian Quèze - Update the credits for 0.3.
23:22:57 <sonny> we broke it!
23:23:00 <sonny> nooooo
23:23:12 <sonny> instantbot wake up!
23:23:15 <instantbot> sonny: Sorry, I've no idea what 'wake up' might be.
23:23:16 <instantbot> sonny: zzzzzzzzzzz... Wha
23:27:50 <flo> FeuerFliege: http://queze.net/goinfre/ib-1.0-screenshots/ I took some Mac screenshot, I hope they'll be useful :)
23:28:09 <flo> if for some reason they aren't usable, feel free to ask me to take them again ;)
23:30:43 <flo> FeuerFliege: I've added your username/password in the list of users allowed to push to websites/www.instantbird.com
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23:45:37 <flo> clokep: how was the weather? ;)
23:52:49 <clokep> flo: It got nice out actually! Even a little sun. :) Water was 52 F though.
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