#instantbird log on 06 17 2011

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00:01:01 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 535 to FIXED.
00:01:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535 nor, --, 0.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Large default database files
00:01:42 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 294 to FIXED.
00:01:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294 min, --, 0.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Handle the case where no logs are available
00:02:12 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 841 to FIXED.
00:02:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=841 min, --, 0.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Fix Windows Jump List code
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00:20:59 <flo> only 8 bugs left in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A0.3%20sw:final :)
00:22:19 <clokep> :)
00:22:23 <flo> ok, enough bugzilla housekeeping for this night.
00:22:25 <flo> Good night
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01:15:44 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 722 to bug 793.
01:15:45 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 722 on bug 793.
01:15:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter timeline should have a topic / icon
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04:58:54 <Mook> mmmm... magicarpy
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07:04:17 <FeuerFliege> good morning!
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07:52:04 <Mic> Hi
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09:17:25 <BetaTesta> Hey guys
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09:29:03 <FeuerFliege> Hi
09:29:03 <FeuerFliege> is there a kind of DOM inspector for instantbird?
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09:35:03 <flo> hello
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09:36:00 <FeuerFliege> hi flo
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10:12:44 <flo> clokep: hello :).
10:14:51 <flo> clokep: "(note that I had about a ~10 second delay before it appeared for me)" this is between when the tweet appears in the conversation and when the topic changes, right?
10:15:01 <clokep> Yes.
10:15:14 <clokep> It's the lag from sending to the server to getting the next streaming response.
10:15:16 <flo> would you like to reduce that to 0 ?
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10:17:24 <clokep> It could be done (relatively easily) by adding an extra line, but you'll end up firing the notification twice for the same topic update, once when you send it and once when you receive it.
10:17:31 <flo> I'm afraid I messed with your patch again (here is what I have: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/785)
10:18:56 <flo> clokep: is that a problem? Maybe we can avoid the notification in jsProtoHelper when the new topic is the same as the old one
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10:19:53 <clokep> No, shouldn't really be a big problem. I don't think anyone consumes that notification anyway. ;)
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10:20:20 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#1113
10:20:26 <clokep> And that looks fine. The loop is definitely more efficient.
10:20:56 <flo> that part was just an efficiency tweak, not really needed :)
10:20:58 <clokep> Right, but that won't show anything different. I meant there's nothing that pops up and is like "WOOOO THE TOPIC CHANGED!!!!"
10:21:41 <flo> the only real problem I saw was "      this.timeline.setTopic(newestTweet.text, newestTweet.user.name);" (.name instead of .screen_name; that would cause the topicSetter to be undefined)
10:23:19 <flo> in the future we may move the "The topic has changed to ..." line from libpurple's business to imConversations.js, so it may become visible (but I suspect we would want to do something to hide the twitter topic changes anyway, as these messages are already displayed in the conversations)
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10:25:56 <clokep> Yeah, I was worried it would show that message, but it doesn't yet. So I didn't worry about it. :)
10:26:00 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/786
10:26:08 <flo> 667 update pings yesterday. I think that's our best number yet.
10:26:08 <clokep> Actually.
10:26:10 <clokep> Ignore that for now.
10:26:42 <flo> what about if (this._topic == aTopic && this._topicSetter == aTopicSetter) return; ?
10:27:15 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/787
10:27:18 <clokep> Like that? :)
10:27:31 <clokep> Hence my ignore that for now. ;)
10:28:03 <flo> looks good
10:28:06 <flo> ready to push?
10:28:31 <flo> I think we should remove the "/ icon" from the bug summary, and (if that's feel needed) file another bug
10:28:52 <clokep> I agree.
10:29:11 <clokep> And yes, ready to push.
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10:32:14 <flo> should GenericConvChatPrototype have a topic setter by the way?
10:32:31 <flo> hmm, get topicSettable() false, ok :)
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10:33:03 <clokep> Hmm?
10:33:14 <clokep> Isn't the setTopic function a topic setter? ;)
10:33:26 <flo> not really
10:33:29 <clokep> Or you mean a way to set _topic and _topicSetter individually?
10:33:38 <flo> the topic setter is for when the user sets the topic (from the topic bar)
10:33:58 <clokep> Oh. OK. Yeah I figured that should be left as false in Twitter for now.
10:34:10 <flo> the function you added is for when the server sets the topic
10:34:47 <clokep> Right.
10:34:58 <flo> by the way, any opinion about that user-icon-is-not-an-image bug?
10:35:00 <clokep> It probably should have one, yes. But we haven't dealt w/ that yet. :)
10:35:10 <flo> you will for IRC I guess :)
10:35:31 <clokep> I agree with you that the solution is overly complicated and we don't really gain much from it (as long as it's not causing a crash or anything).
10:35:34 <clokep> Yes, I will. :)
10:35:49 <flo> it's possible it's not needed, as any protocol actually wanting to let the user set the topic would have to override it to include the code talking to the server
10:36:22 <flo> downsizing the icon before storing it in the profile would be nice I think
10:36:27 <clokep> How would you do that anyway? You would need to observe the notification?
10:36:38 <flo> do what?
10:37:36 <clokep> To handle when the user sets the notification.
10:37:59 <flo> *topic
10:38:19 <clokep> Yes, sorry. :)
10:38:47 <flo> you would just add in your (chat) conversation object: get topicSettable() true, set topic(aNewTopic) { do something }
10:40:16 <clokep> I don't really know what we could add to jsProtoHelper then for that, unless you wanted to put a call to  setTopic in it.
10:41:04 <flo> I'm afraid it would just be a throw Cr.NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED; :-D
10:42:27 <clokep> Haha. :)
10:42:41 <clokep> Which might actually be a good error for protocol authors.
10:42:51 <clokep> They set topicSettable to true, try to set it and get that error. ;)
10:43:19 <flo> what's the error when a method doesn't exist?
10:43:31 <flo> NO_SUCH_METHOD or NOT_IMPLEMENTED? ;)
10:43:38 <clokep> Haha, true.
10:43:48 <clokep> I think we've agreed we don't need it then. :)
10:53:41 <flo> screenshots made by journalists for articles about Instantbird typically look like this: http://i.iinfo.cz/images/519/instantbird-0-3-1.png
10:54:37 <clokep> That shows an awful lot. :(
10:55:26 <flo> we can probably do a better job ;)
10:55:58 <flo> clokep: that still shows the nice horizontal scrollbar of the account manager on Linux ;)
10:56:15 <flo> not sure if that's final-wanted, but it probably deserves a bug
10:57:07 <clokep> Haha.
10:57:21 <clokep> When people show a scfreenshot like that it makes me think they didn't really try the program either. ;_/
10:57:31 <flo> that's obvious
10:57:35 <flo> but they are journalist
10:57:46 <flo> I would still credit that person for actually downloading it
11:01:33 <flo> I'm still not sure of what to do for bug 675
11:01:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sign off transition not starting/finishing
11:04:07 <clokep> :-/
11:04:12 <clokep> No idea for a work around?
11:04:17 <clokep> Bah I have to go, I'm late.
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11:04:37 <flo> We could still add lots of setTimeout calls to force-finish the transitions, but that's so ugly :(
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12:20:33 <Mic> /#blooeeb1299p
12:20:54 <Mic> oops :D
12:20:56 <flo> Mic: exactly! :)
12:21:20 <Mic> I wanted to join a random channel ;)
12:21:38 <flo>  /join #testib :)
12:22:26 <Mic> Doesn't work with channels anyways, the join message is written to the log, I wanted to check bug 294
12:22:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294 min, --, 0.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Handle the case where no logs are available
12:23:51 <Mic> Ah, this is only fixed for the buddy list, not the tab context menu anyways?
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12:26:26 <Mic> I'll reopen the bug or would you prefer a followup bug?
12:27:21 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 294.
12:27:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294 min, --, 0.3, florian, REOP, Handle the case where no logs are available
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12:29:26 <flo> hmm, for the tabs it can happen only if the logs were disabled, right?
12:30:39 <clokep_work> Or if you join a room and nothing is said?
12:31:03 <Mic> Just pick someone you never had a private message with, start a conversation and open the menu
12:31:07 <Mic> That's how I tried it
12:31:11 <flo> isn't there still a line in the log with the time the conversation was opened?
12:31:59 <Mic> No, not for IRC private messages at least
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12:38:41 <clokep_work> flo: Adding those setTimeout calls would be pretty bad I think. :-/
12:38:55 <clokep_work> varuna: Were you able to get the tags issue you were having working? :)
12:38:59 <flo> that's what I haven't done it yet
12:39:10 <flo> *why
12:39:27 <flo> (but before using the CSS transitions, we used to have setTimeout calls everywhere for the animations)
12:39:32 <clokep_work> (Are we all set on bug  793 btw?)
12:39:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter timeline should have a topic / icon
12:39:40 <flo> yes
12:39:47 <flo> I've commited it locally and it will be in my next push
12:39:51 <clokep_work> OK, Just making sure. :)
12:40:05 <flo> could still use a comment explaining the changes we have made though
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12:40:15 <flo> (a comment in the bug I meant)
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12:40:21 <varuna> clokep_work: yep :) thanks
12:40:36 <clokep_work> Ah good! I realized I might have some code that does that. :)
12:40:48 <varuna> and also the buddy list problems thanks to flo ... it took me so long to realise the obvious :P
12:41:02 <clokep_work> flo: OK, should I attach the patch to it, or will the commit be enough?
12:41:06 <flo> have you documented it?
12:41:17 <varuna> clokep_work: may be you can still show it 
12:41:22 <flo> you can attach it if it helps to make the comments clear :)
12:41:28 <varuna> flo: nope not yet ... i'll do it
12:42:09 <flo> varuna: at least keep notes (even if it's 1 line notes) of what was hard to figure out, so that you don't forget :)
12:42:35 <clokep_work> Btw varuna I have a second very sketchy, only partially working protocol at http://hg.instantbird.org/experiments/file/aa3e34ebfd75/xbox-live%40patrick.cloke , but it does include some buddy list stuff. (Probably all stuff you've figured out by now.)
12:42:58 * clokep_work was looking into the Microsoft bluetooth stack yesterday for connecting to a phone. . .
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12:45:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 723 to bug 793.
12:45:17 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 722 on bug 793.
12:45:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter timeline should have a topic / icon
12:50:29 <varuna> flo: ok :)
12:50:34 <varuna> clokep_work: thanks
12:50:59 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 844 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
12:51:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=844 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, MUCs should be able to have "buddy" icons
12:51:18 <clokep_work> varuna: No problem! I hope it's going well. :)
12:53:09 <clokep_work> Aha! Bug 678 on reopening the Twitter stream.
12:53:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter UI improvements
12:54:25 <flo> clokep_work: when you said "reopening the Twitter stream.", I thought that meant "handle the changes of the track preference"
12:55:28 <clokep_work> s/stream/timeline/
12:55:38 <clokep_work> That'd be bug 677.
12:55:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reopen Twitter stream when "track" preference changes
12:55:55 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 723 on bug 793.
12:55:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter timeline should have a topic
12:57:23 <flo> so many twitter bugs ;)
12:58:20 <clokep_work> That's what happens when you add a protocol. :P
12:58:58 <flo> if we add an "INVALID" protocol, we will have lots of INVALID bugs ;)
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13:02:04 <clokep_work> :)
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13:07:49 <flo> is Mic satisfied with http://pastebin.instantbird.com/788 for bug 294 ?
13:07:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294 min, --, 0.3, florian, REOP, Handle the case where no logs are available
13:10:17 <Mic> Yes, looks good :)
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13:12:10 <deOmega> good morning.  just wanted to  confirm that the other crashes were indeed as flo indicated.
13:13:01 <Mic> Good morning, deOmega
13:13:19 <deOmega> there are times i disable my facebook  online chat settings on facebook.. and if one tries signing in to  facebook with tool such as instantbird.   when  you log in, facebook sends you a notification
13:13:36 <deOmega> those notifications were teh same as private messages from folks not on one's contact list
13:13:52 <deOmega> so, this is why it was crashing.  either case, it s working fine now.. thanks to the patch
13:14:17 <clokep_work> Good! :)
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13:19:51 <flo> it seems each of my patches needs a follow-up these days. I should probably take some vacations ;)
13:20:27 <clokep_work> Which patch is it this time?
13:20:41 <flo> just looking at the hg shortlog :)
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13:22:07 <flo> the horizontal scrollbar on the account manager on Linux is apparently just the window that isn't wide enough by default with Linux's default font (on Ubuntu at least)
13:25:09 <clokep_work> Ah, easy to fix then? :)
13:25:23 <flo> the width is a localized string :-S
13:25:55 <clokep_work> Maybe just set a max width instead?
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14:08:18 <flo> I don't know on what I should do that, so I'm probably not actually going to do that ;)
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14:25:37 <clokep_work> flo: What would be the proper way to look into bug 650, if you have a few minutes to talk abou tit.
14:25:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline
14:26:11 <flo> we probably just need to observe the "status-changed" notification and detect when the new status is "offline"
14:27:07 <flo> I don't know how we remember that the account used to be connected before using the offline status for the other accounts, but I suspect it's libpurple doing it, so we may want to just duplicate it in the twitter account
14:28:00 <clokep_work> OK, so you don't want to go the way of editing the Core Service methods to dispatch the change?
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14:30:45 <flo> is there a DOM inspector that is easy to Install on a Windows nightly?
14:30:57 <flo> clokep_work: no, just change the twitter code for now :)
14:31:18 <Mic> flo: it should install fine
14:31:26 <Mic> You can open the window from the error console
14:31:30 <clokep_work> Yes, DOMi should work OK.
14:31:34 <flo> that's a stupid question, but where do I get it?
14:31:37 <clokep_work> -inspector flag I believe.
14:31:41 <clokep_work> AMO. :)
14:31:43 <flo> it's always there in my debug builds
14:33:43 <flo> Mic: was there some code somewhere for your experiments with the theming of extended contacts?
14:34:39 <Mic> Maybe on another computer, give me a few minutes and I'll check
14:37:42 <Mic> Which one do you have in mind btw?
14:38:59 <flo> highlighting also the buddies when dragging over a contact
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14:44:05 <Mic> I found something, let me check what it actually is ;)
14:46:26 <Mic> It's in here but it also has the other style changes that added borders around contacts: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/789
14:46:42 <Mic> I'll try to diff it
14:48:39 * flo is installing Mozilla Build in that Win7 VM to at least have emacs and hg :-)
14:54:22 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/791
14:54:48 <Mic> It loses the gradient in the normal view but I'm not exactly sad about this :P
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14:58:06 <Mic> That's all I have for this problem btw
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15:02:46 <deOmega> HI.. i have this problem  specifi to facebook on my buddy list:
15:03:13 <deOmega> when someone goes offline.. teh space the populated on teh buddyt list, remains blank
15:04:19 <deOmega> so if I have 10 contacts online and 9 goes offline.. there is a blank area the height of 9 contacts
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15:05:36 <clokep_work> deOmega: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675
15:05:40 <instantbot> Bug 675 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sign off transition not starting/finishing
15:07:40 <flo> it's the -moz-appearance: menuimage at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/themes/winstripe/global/menu.css#134 that's causing bug 803
15:07:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
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15:08:27 <deOmega> thank you
15:08:43 <flo> deOmega: can you reproduce that easily? Do *all* of these contacts are replaced by the blank line, or only some of them?
15:10:15 <deOmega> only some of them.  i will montor it longer
15:10:51 <deOmega> one moment
15:11:25 <flo> if it's only some of them, it's definitely the bug clokep mentioned
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15:15:23 <FeuerFliege> deOmega, flo: I noticed this bug, too. But since a day or two I cannot reproduce it anylonger
15:15:44 <clokep_work> I pretty much never get it anymore.
15:16:21 <flo> clokep_work: I rarely have it, but when I have it, it seems to happen several times in the same day. And then it's gone for weeks...
15:17:29 <flo> having a reliable way to reproduce it would help a lot :)
15:18:27 <clokep_work> Yes. I tried to reproduce and couldn't. :(
15:21:15 <flo> I've already had several people tell me it's related to something that has absolutely nothing to do with it, just because it happened twice in a row when they were doing the same thing
15:21:24 <flo> ("facebook contacts", "merging contacts", ...) :(
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15:28:39 <deOmega> ok, .. so   so  far it seems to be happening just  within my 'friends' category.. but maybe it is because more of those are online than not
15:29:04 <deOmega> will see if it happens in teh other categories  that i created
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15:29:46 <deOmega> I am not sure how the category 'friends' were created.. whether i  dragged and dropped it on ib or what
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15:32:52 <clokep_work> I don't think the group matters, or how it was created.
15:33:04 <deOmega> OK, godo to know
15:34:27 <clokep_work> flo: Should we maybe check in that patch you have for bug 675 and see if it helps? Get a wider test audience.
15:34:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sign off transition not starting/finishing
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15:35:27 <flo> clokep_work: it's too bad I don't believe in it any more ;)
15:35:43 <flo> a 1 line change would be an ideal solution :)
15:35:53 <clokep_work> Oh you think there's a different cause?
15:36:00 <clokep_work> Psh, a 1 character change would be ideal. ;)
15:36:07 <clokep_work> Actually...Mozilla fixing it would be ideal. :-D
15:39:36 <flo> it seems we used to have issues on all transitions and the only issue we are still having is on the sign-off transition, which is in 2 steps.
15:40:49 <flo> so I think the difference is due to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613888 getting Fixed in Mozilla, and the remaining problem seems to be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652543
15:41:41 <flo> the bug reporters affirms there that he has a testcase that causes the bug to be reliably reproducible
15:43:38 <deOmega> flo, i may have a way to  test it
15:44:00 <deOmega> have yoru   buddy list visible
15:44:01 <clokep_work> Two steps? Don't we just shrink it? Or does it fade out first?
15:44:24 <deOmega> and then disconnect from  facebook.... you will teh  friend list staill staying  open and  empty
15:44:46 <deOmega> u have to cselect minimize  on teh fridns category forit to  disappear
15:45:02 <flo> clokep_work: it fades. Then when we receive the transitionend event from the fadding, we shrink the blank line.
15:45:23 <clokep_work> flo: Ah, I see!
15:45:29 <flo> when the fadding finishes without sending the transitioned event, we have that damn bug
15:46:28 <deOmega> so seems like teh 'frieends' category is sticking
15:47:27 <clokep_work> I'm not sure how CSS animations work, but can we start two at the same time, where one fades and the other shrinks like one pixel over the same amount of time and shrinks the rest after, so we don't need the transitionend event?
15:47:56 <Mic> You have transition-delay for waiting a certain time before animating
15:48:04 <flo> clokep_work: the point of that 2 step animations (rather than just starting the second animation with a delay) is to cancel the animation of the contact reconnects while its item hasn't completely fadded
15:48:33 <flo> *if the contact
15:48:56 <clokep_work> flo: Why can't we cancel the animation anyway, even if it's both?
15:49:29 <flo> when we start shrinking, we have already removed all the listeners, ...
15:50:20 <flo> I wonder if giving up the cancellability of a sign-off animation would be a good "solution" for 0.3
15:50:40 <clokep_work> Destroy the listeners first, then just animate them?
15:51:07 <flo> it would make the whole list jump in case a contact disconnects and reconnects quickly
15:51:41 <flo> because the sign-on and sign-off animations are not symetrical, only the shrink/expand parts are
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15:52:51 <clokep_work> Can we just cancel the animation if the shrinking hasn't happened yet though? Is there a way to check that.
15:53:17 <flo> that's what we do currently
15:54:40 <clokep_work> So right now, you receive the transitionend event, if the buddy is still offline you shrink and kill the listeners?
15:54:58 <flo> wait, does that story of it failing because there are multiple animations even makes sense? If we don't get the event, the attribute starting the second step isn't set :-S
15:55:52 <flo> there's no "if the buddy is still offline" test, because if the buddies' status changes, a notification is received (and we cancel the fading immediately where it was)
15:55:53 <clokep_work> Bleh I feel like I need to draw this out on a whiteboard (the chain of events).
15:56:20 <clokep_work> Right, can't we change that notification to "cancel the fading and shrinking immediately"?
15:56:45 * flo is confused
15:57:13 <clokep_work> Right, can't we change that notification to "cancel the fading and shrinking immediately", assuming that we use a delay on the shrinking as opposed to a second animation step.
15:57:18 <clokep_work> Does that make more sense?
15:58:01 <flo> the notification is "signed-on"
15:59:08 <flo> (I'm not even sure anymore the problem is really related to the animation being in 2 steps, as I don't see how the existence of a second step that hasn't started could change anything in the way the first one doesn't fully finish)
16:00:57 <clokep_work> Well, if it doesn't fully finish, the transitionend never fires which I assume causes the shrinking to occur?
16:01:11 <flo> how does this fell http://pastebin.instantbird.com/792 for bug 803 ?
16:01:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
16:01:17 <clokep_work> (And I see how you're not really "cancelling" the animation, sorry. I thought there was an actual way to cancel it instead of just setting the state differnet.)
16:02:36 <Mic> If it works it's definitely better than my meddling with the stack item attributes and the extra element to get the stack centered (which is extremely ugly, I admit;)
16:02:54 <flo> Mic: it works :)
16:04:02 <flo> I'm just sad to have to put "magic values" for the padding, as it's likely to break for any non-aero non-classic theme (I've tested these 2, it looks good on Aero, and as crappy as on XP on the classic theme).
16:05:42 <FeuerFliege> hey folks
16:06:28 <flo> Mic: how do you feel about dropping bug 781 by the way?
16:06:28 <FeuerFliege> I modified the latest DOM Inspector to work with Instantbird
16:06:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Possible to select a non-image file as buddy icon
16:06:45 <flo> FeuerFliege: what didn't work about it?
16:07:02 <flo> or do you just mean adding an overlay to have a menuitem to open it? :)
16:07:54 <FeuerFliege> flo: the window was closed when I clicked insect
16:07:57 <FeuerFliege> inspect
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16:08:28 <FeuerFliege> flo: that and fixed max-version
16:08:32 <Mic> Would be fine with me, I'm not sure how many people would actually see it
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16:08:35 <flo> what was the problem? :)
16:08:52 <flo> Mic: typing *.* in that box is a strange way to interact with it ;)
16:09:05 <Mic> It's not just a button or dropdown you can use to encounter it but you need to know to enter * in the box
16:09:18 <Mic> Indeed
16:09:51 <flo> actually, the issue is also for files with the right extension but garbage inside
16:10:07 <flo> but oh well, "garbage in, garbage out" :-P
16:10:15 <Mic> hehe
16:15:03 <flo> the 0.3-final list is getting small.
16:15:11 <flo> I'm going to resolve another 3 bugs in a few minutes
16:18:50 <clokep_work> :)
16:18:58 <clokep_work> And at least one other bug should be only a few minutes of work.
16:19:13 <flo> which one?
16:19:36 <clokep_work> bug 650
16:19:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline
16:19:56 <clokep_work> The patch that is there is like 1/2 of it, you just need to move it into twitter.js instead and take into account signing on.
16:20:19 <flo> I estimated ~1 hour of work
16:20:29 <flo> testing being what takes time
16:20:29 <clokep_work> Reasonable. :)
16:21:17 <flo> one needs to understand correctly what the current behavior is (with the "offline" status, and the connection being offline), what's the expected status, and then check the result of the patch
16:24:46 <clokep_work> How is Twitter signed off now anyway?
16:25:37 <flo> clicking the "disconnect" button I think
16:26:05 <clokep_work> OK.
16:26:13 <clokep_work> Right, cause that calls "disconnect()"
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16:29:38 <Mic> FeuerFliege: du möchtest wahrscheinlich gar nicht wissen, was ich jedesmal statt "Schließen" lese, wenn jemand den Channel verlässt ;)
16:30:48 <FeuerFliege> Mic: Schießen? Schieben?
16:31:08 <igorko> ah- Deutsch:)
16:31:27 <FeuerFliege> Mic: Gefällt mir auch nicht wirklich.
16:31:36 <FeuerFliege> igorko: ja
16:31:43 <Mic> "Scheißen", d'oh
16:31:58 <igorko> das ist gut ;)
16:33:00 <FeuerFliege> Mic: kannst Vorschläge gerne zum Bug 828
16:33:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Suggested changes for/problems with translations for german localization
16:33:08 <FeuerFliege> hinzufügen
16:33:26 <flo> will we need to create localized channels soon? ;)
16:33:40 <Mic> I registered instantbird-de already a few days ago :)
16:33:55 <FeuerFliege> ;)
16:35:15 <flo> instantbird.de (the domain name) seems free
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16:41:55 <clokep_work> Someone should just make an auto-translator instead. :)
16:42:32 <flo> how do you do that without giving all the conversation content to a third party?
16:43:06 <flo> or maybe it would submit to the translator only the messages that have too many mistakes when checked against the current dictionary? :)
16:43:21 <Mic> We're logging to a public website, that's as good as giving-to-a-third-party
16:43:53 <clokep_work> flo: Yes only if it failed a spell check against the current dictionary.
16:44:10 <flo> Mic: I thought clokep's auto-translator was supposed to be enabled for all conversations
16:44:24 <Mic> I thought it was about the localized channels
16:44:36 <clokep_work> Both? :)
16:44:38 <flo> Mic: the place where I would really like an auto-translator is twitter :)
16:44:53 <clokep_work> flo: Exactly! :-D
16:45:14 <clokep_work> There's a few free software packages out there for translation as well (so you avoid a web service), but idk how good they are.
16:48:55 <flo> so now, what can I do with that http://i.imgur.com/ADD0G.png ?
16:50:15 <Mic> What's the problem? The look of it or the wording of the drop-here-message? The bracketsß
16:51:06 <flo> the problem is that it's not obvious that the expanded contact is one "block"
16:51:32 <flo> it's the reason why the gradient was there in the first place
16:51:46 <Mic> I'm currently trying a rounded box with no background color for opened contacts
16:51:53 <Mic> and one with grey background for the selected contact
16:52:07 <Mic> I'm not content with it though
16:52:13 <flo> would it still be aligned with the other contacts of the list?
16:52:45 <clokep_work> flo: What about showing like a bar on the side along each contact (i.e. just a left border) when the contact is open.
16:52:58 <clokep_work> They do that in Halo 3 to show parties on Xbox LIVE. ;)
16:53:08 <Mic> No, I think it's one pixel of
16:53:16 <Mic> Maybe due to the border
16:54:38 <Mic> gtg, bbl
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17:11:27 <flo> http://i.imgur.com/4KFp8.png how does this feel?
17:12:08 <clokep_work> I can barely see that, I'm not sure if that's the point. ;)
17:12:20 <clokep_work> Also, does it just fade out on top?
17:12:34 <flo> does it feel like a single contact or not?
17:14:26 <flo> it's with   background: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg, -moz-Dialog, rgba(255,255,255,0) 30%), -moz-linear-gradient(135deg, -moz-Dialog, white 10%); on the contact
17:15:56 <clokep_work> Hmm...it helps on the bottom, but the top just fades out into everything above. I'm not sure.
17:18:53 <flo> what about http://i.imgur.com/QrY9n.png then? (  background: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg, -moz-Dialog, white 20%, white 80%, -moz-Dialog);)
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17:21:16 <clokep_work> That's better I think. :)
17:26:16 <flo> I'm not really satisfied, but I think that's better than what we have now.
17:28:39 <clokep_work> How does it look if many contacts are expanded next to each other?
17:28:40 <FeuerFliege> Mic: (re: 1px off) try outline instead of border.
17:29:38 <flo> clokep_work: http://i.imgur.com/rM1kJ.png
17:30:31 <clokep_work> flo: I think that looks fine.
17:35:00 <flo> ok! :)
17:35:03 * flo pushes it
17:35:35 <clokep_work> It's definitely better than what's there now. :)
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17:37:17 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 803 to FIXED.
17:37:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, 0.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
17:37:47 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 294 to FIXED.
17:37:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294 min, --, 0.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Handle the case where no logs are available
17:38:48 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 793 to FIXED.
17:38:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 nor, --, 0.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Twitter timeline should have a topic
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20:39:12 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 724 to bug 650.
20:39:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 724 on bug 650.
20:39:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline
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20:41:56 <clokep> Hello. :)
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21:04:30 <clokep> flo: Is the spacing in this correct: http://imgur.com/D2dWD
21:04:38 <clokep> (Time Bubbles stuff.)
21:05:17 <flo> where do you see a problem?
21:05:33 <clokep> Oh wait...I'm just thinking too hard about it. :)
21:05:34 <clokep> Never mind.
21:05:53 <clokep> I forgot it was log scale. :)
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21:19:01 * flo is trying to make his comment as helpful as possible to have a high likelihood of r+ing the next attachment ^^
21:21:58 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 724 on bug 650.
21:22:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline
21:22:20 * clokep wasn't expecting an r+ on that one. :)
21:25:41 <flo> clokep: the logic seems ok (= not more messed up than the current behavior of the other accounts is)
21:25:56 <clokep> OK! :)
21:26:10 <clokep> Maybe I should call it "enabled" instead of "connected"?
21:27:06 <flo> good idea
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21:27:52 <clokep> flo: You say to check if |currentStatusType > STATUS_OFFLINE|, isn't that really just the "ELSE" condition?
21:28:26 <flo> you want to just remove the check?
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21:28:48 <clokep> I'm asking whether I should or not.
21:28:49 <flo> what I suggested is equivalent to !STATUS_UNKNOWN
21:28:58 <flo> !=
21:29:17 <flo> I hope there's no way to receive an unknown status :)
21:29:28 <clokep> Ah, STATUS_UNKNOWN is 0 :)
21:30:33 <clokep> Bah, my change sto the logic don't work.
21:30:55 <clokep> I don't see how I can do it without the extra variable...
21:31:58 <flo> do what?
21:33:01 <clokep> Wait, I made a mistake.
21:35:13 <clokep> flo: This is what I have right now http://pastebin.instantbird.com/793, if I remove the temporary variable that I use it does not work (STR to follow)
21:35:35 <clokep> Without that variable, you can not be connected, go "offline", then go "available" and it will connect Twitter, but it should not.
21:39:25 <flo> why have you removed the early return?
21:39:38 <flo> the variable wasn't needed because it was always true (because of the early return)
21:40:46 <clokep> Ah, right.
21:41:08 <clokep> Yup! That works. :) Thanks.
21:43:17 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 725 to bug 650.
21:43:18 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 725 on bug 650.
21:43:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline
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22:23:07 <flo> ah, you removed the comment near the this._enabled = true; line :(
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22:27:15 <clokep> I did? :(
22:29:00 <flo> the only things I would change: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/794
22:29:33 <clokep> Mmhmm, I guess it makes sense to say why we're deleting a variable and remaking it. :-D
22:29:59 <flo> you think we should add an even more detailed comment?
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22:33:17 <clokep> I wouldn't know what else to say...:-/
22:33:47 <flo> it would only be a repetition of what's already explained above the _enabled: false of the prototype
22:33:59 <flo> should I test it, or can I assume you have tested it and it works? :)
22:34:16 * flo would prefer the latter :-]
22:36:05 <clokep> I tested it without the comments and it works. :p
22:36:21 <clokep> Was signed off, went to offline, then back to available, Twitter stayed disconnected the whole time.
22:36:42 <clokep> Then hit "Connect" on Twitter and did the same two steps above (went Offline, then Available), Twitter went offline, then reconnected.
22:37:27 <clokep> Anything else before I go to Chilis? :)
22:40:01 <flo> ok, let's push it then :)
22:41:51 <flo> you forgot to include yourself in the contributors list of the file ;)
22:42:26 <flo> do it the next time you touch this file? :)
22:42:46 <clokep> Haha, OK.
22:42:52 <clokep> You're assuming I want to touch that file again. :p
22:43:28 <flo> I think you mentioned wanting to play with icons, or something like that :-P
22:43:46 <flo> but yes, I'm almost sure you will touch it again
22:43:54 <clokep> Yeah, I'm sure I will.
22:44:03 <flo> maybe not before 1.0 though
22:44:25 <flo> but I don't think we care all that much about these per-file contributors list
22:44:31 <flo> you'll be added in the about dialog anyway :)
22:44:34 <clokep> Nope, not really.
22:44:36 <clokep> :)
22:44:50 <clokep> Some of our files have contributors that would be very surprised to be in them I think. ;)
22:45:17 <flo> the files that we imported?
22:45:24 <clokep> Yup.
22:45:33 <clokep> Some of which we imported and heavily edited. ;)
22:46:07 <flo> Mook has been on http://www.instantbird.com/thanks.html since 0.1, but this time I think we can add him in the about dialog too :)
22:47:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 725 on bug 650.
22:47:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline
22:47:54 <flo> I don't know if there are others we should add there
22:49:16 * clokep must not know his real name. ;)
22:49:25 <clokep> Gervase M?
22:49:46 <clokep> Hmmm....I don't think anyone new has really contributed code?
22:49:46 <flo> come on, that's Gerv!
22:50:07 <clokep> Oh, right. :(
22:50:35 <clokep> http://www.ohloh.net/p/instantbird/contributors might give you a good idea. ;)
22:50:50 <flo> clokep: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/795
22:52:01 <clokep> Right.
22:52:30 <clokep> Probably not then.
22:52:48 <clokep> Oh hey, btw on ohloh...how come there's like a HUGE peak in the middle and then it goes away?
22:52:50 <flo> maybe Mitchell Field?
22:53:14 <clokep> Pretty much anyone w/ > 1 commit? ;)
22:53:16 <flo> a peak of what in the middle of what?
22:53:23 <clokep> peak of lines of code
22:53:29 <clokep> In the graph, in mid 2008.
22:54:00 <clokep> Was that including all of pidgin source or including mozilla at that point or something?
22:54:10 <flo> which page is that?
22:54:18 <clokep> http://www.ohloh.net/p/instantbird
22:54:54 <flo> probably my ignore line that doesn't ignore libpurple correctly for the folder where it was in svn
22:55:13 <clokep> Ah, OK.
22:57:35 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/081800f32b6c - Patrick Cloke - Bug 650 - Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline, r=fqueze.
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22:59:55 <clokep> Yup, it was under mozilla/purple/libpurple at one point.
23:00:11 <clokep> I added a couple more disallows that should fix it.
23:01:08 <flo> I added them too :-D
23:01:10 * clokep is now known as clokep_away
23:01:40 <clokep_away> Haha.
23:02:27 <flo> can just anybody edit anything on ohloh? :-S
23:02:49 <flo> or does this work because you are listed as a developer?
23:04:00 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 650 to FIXED.
23:04:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650 nor, --, 0.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Twitter accounts should reconnect automatically when going back from offline
23:11:39 <FeuerFliege> good night
23:12:39 <flo> Good night :)
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