#instantbird log on 06 13 2011

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08:06:43 <varuna> should buddy.setStatus(...) -defined in jsProtoHelper - work on its own or is it necessary to make other calls as well?
08:09:46 <varuna> is there any example code or extension which uses this?
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08:31:25 <flo> varuna: hello.
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08:31:53 <flo> varuna: can you give an LXR link to that specific line of jsProtoHelper please? :)
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08:36:14 <flo> varuna: I think you just need to call that method, it should work :)
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09:51:29 <FeuerFliege1> With 0.3 as good as released, when will 0.4 be there? :P
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09:53:33 <flo> 92 changesets between alpha2 and beta1 :)
09:54:52 <flo> FeuerFliege1: we will release 0.3 beta 1, and then the final "0.3" version will be numbered 1.0 (along with serious explanations of what that version scheme numbering change makes sense), so I'm afraid 0.4 will never be there ;)
09:55:25 <flo> s/what/why/
09:58:44 <FeuerFliege1> flo: that is the new mozilla-style. There will be no Thunderbird 4.x, too.
09:59:21 <FeuerFliege1> ;)
09:59:47 <flo> FeuerFliege1: it's also that lots of Windows user claim things like "What, 0.<something>?!? With such a low version number, it can't be stable, I'll try it once it's at least 1.0."
10:02:24 <flo> FeuerFliege1: and yeah, we thought about the new mozilla style too. The next version after 1.0 may very well be 2.0 :). That's not fully decided yet though.
10:03:13 <flo> 304 changesets since 0.2
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10:24:18 <FeuerFliege> Not too bad. I think 1.0 is quite usable for most non-heavy users. It’s slim but nice. But I really miss to save IRC channels (without autojoin). 
10:26:02 <flo> we all have our pet bug/feature :)
10:31:16 <FeuerFliege> flo: what is yours?
10:32:24 <flo> hiding inactive conversations, so that I can close the conversations window without leaving the conversations (= to idle in a dozen IRC channels)
10:32:30 <flo> and searching logs.
10:33:08 <flo> searching the whole log history should be as efficient as it's in gmail (and hopefully even better) :)
10:35:04 <flo> maybe also the "start conversation" thing :)
10:38:30 <FeuerFliege> flo: close inactive channel windows without leaving them would be really nice.
10:39:45 <flo> it could be also "not open immediately windows of IMs from people I don't know"
10:40:11 <flo> spammers would be much less annoying if they are limited to adding an item in the list of "pending" conversations
10:40:46 <flo> so more generally, the idea is that a conversation that is open on the network is not equivalent to a conversation that's open on the screen, with various possible use cases :)
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10:46:24 <FeuerFliege> +1
10:46:24 <FeuerFliege> I see there are some good ideas flying around 
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10:58:15 <flo> FeuerFliege: we have lots of ideas for big changes ;). More ideas than productive time to actually implement them :)
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11:00:59 <FeuerFliege> to bad, that i cannot code better. I really like Instantbird. Everything that is more than just simple modifing of existing code or css is out of my league.
11:03:17 <flo> "out of my league" now. We have all started at some point ;).
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11:27:04 <flo> the release folder weights 1.2GB with 10 locales. :-S
11:31:43 <FeuerFliege> flo: 10 x 3 (win,linux,mac) x ~ 10MB = 300MB
11:31:54 <FeuerFliege> what is the Rest?
11:56:44 <varuna> flo: I don't know if it has a problem, I called it for an account buddy but it doesn't seem to do anything
11:56:58 <varuna> flo: I'll try again
11:57:30 <varuna> flo: is there any code which uses this? just to  make sure if i'm doing anything wrong
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12:38:54 <varuna> flo: it worked thanks
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13:04:53 <varuna> flo: the problem is when an existing buddy is changed, if it's a new buddy it works fine ... seems like something wrong with the initialisation of the accountbuddy
13:22:22 <FeuerFliege> is there a working version of DOMi for Instantbird?
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13:29:44 <flo> FeuerFliege: 10MB is the smallest file (the Windows installer which is 7z compressed)
13:29:56 <flo> others are around 13MB or a little bit more
13:30:16 <flo> the mac is 2 times the size as there are PPC+intel binaries
13:30:24 <flo> on Windows we have the installer + the zip archive
13:30:52 <flo> for all OSes, we have the .mar update files
13:31:12 <flo> (about the size of the application archived with bzip2)
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13:32:11 <flo> varuna: can you link to the code (either on github or pastebin)?
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14:56:19 <deOmega> godo day
14:57:13 <flo> deOmega: hello :)
14:57:16 <deOmega> clokep: did your compatibility check disable feature work  after this upgrade?
14:58:50 <FeuerFliege> deOmega: you could just add some Prefs.
15:00:03 <deOmega> hi flo.  I do not know  if anyone mentioned (just  got back to using IB today) but the changes made to the  transparent area on the contact list, causes  there to be white shadow around teh text
15:00:26 <flo> around which text?
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15:02:24 <deOmega> FeuerFliege:  I had thjat setting, but have had  problems  getting it right.
15:02:57 <deOmega> flo, will try to post an image but i mean around   file, tools, help and the user name and status
15:03:16 <FeuerFliege> extensions.checkCompatibility.0.3 to false
15:03:16 <FeuerFliege> extensions.checkCompatibility.0.3b to false
15:03:20 <flo> I think that's what Mic intended to do
15:03:29 <flo> is there an issue with how that looks?
15:03:32 <deOmega> ah
15:03:37 <deOmega> interesting.  Ok
15:03:55 <deOmega> yes, it looks incomplete
15:04:12 <flo> FeuerFliege: and in the future, extensions.checkCompatibility.nightly :-D
15:04:22 <deOmega> does not look polished at all.  he had it nicely polished before i thought.. before i left
15:04:41 <flo> it was completely unreadable if the window was above a gray window
15:04:58 <deOmega> ah
15:05:12 <deOmega> Thank you very much flo and FeuerFliege
15:05:50 <FeuerFliege> flo: will future builds be based on moz-central?
15:06:01 <flo> not sure
15:06:07 <flo> maybe mozilla-aurora instead
15:06:41 <FeuerFliege> flo: yeah, there is less noise over there ;)
15:07:07 <flo> deOmega: screenshot of the problem before the changes: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=678
15:07:42 <deOmega> I agreed
15:07:46 <flo> before/after on each screenshot: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=692
15:07:59 <varuna> flo: is there any code which uses account buddies, so that i can see what i'm doing wrong? thanks
15:08:35 <flo> varuna: it's possible clokep has some for IRC, but I'm really not sure
15:08:58 <flo> have you seen "15:32:11 - flo: varuna: can you link to the code (either on github or pastebin)?" earlier today?
15:10:01 <deOmega> be right there flo (thank you)
15:10:06 <varuna> flo: no didn't see it ... my connection probably god disconnected
15:10:33 <flo> we have IRC logs to check what happened while we were offline, especially after asking a question ;)
15:20:42 <varuna> flo: http://pastebin.com/br8sUf4q
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15:26:07 <flo> varuna: what's this pastebin showing exactly?
15:26:12 <flo> what's the problem?
15:26:40 <flo> and the code of the AccountBuddy constructor and AccountBuddy prototype should really be shown too ;)
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15:39:22 <varuna> account buddy is same as the one in jsProtoHelper
15:40:09 <varuna> flo: which extends from GenericAccountBuddyPrototype
15:41:29 <flo> so what's the problem?
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15:45:24 <flo> and of course I restarted the wrong instantbird :(
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15:54:32 <varuna> flo: it doesn't chagne the buddy status ... if the buddy is already present
15:54:41 <varuna> but if the buddy is new it works
15:55:15 <flo> if you call accountBuddyAdded each time, you are just adding a new buddy with a different status
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15:58:01 <varuna> i also tried with getBuddyByNameAndProtocol
15:58:24 <varuna> it gave the same result
15:58:31 <flo> it gave a buddy, not an account buddy
15:58:36 <varuna> ya
15:58:44 <varuna> then i initialzed the account buddy with it
15:58:44 <flo> once you added an account buddy for an item of your roaster, you should keep a reference to it
15:59:12 <varuna> how should i do that after a restart?
15:59:47 <flo> maybe get it working without restart first?
16:01:11 <flo> assuming you are using GenericAccountPrototype) as the base of your purpleIAccount implementation, I think you need to override the loadBuddy method to recreate the account buddies after the restart
16:09:13 <varuna> ah ok will give it a try
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16:32:21 <varuna> flo: but that doesn't do anything ... i do the same thing too i guess ... gettign the buddy through getBuddyByNameAndProtocol and then create a AccountBuddy with it
16:32:39 <varuna> flo: is there any test code which uses these?
16:32:43 <flo> pastebin the code.
16:32:53 <flo> I don't think so.
16:33:06 <flo> I tested it very briefly at some point when committing them, a few months ago
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16:36:49 <varuna> http://pastebin.com/iWS1bk8p
16:36:56 <varuna> this is the code from jsProtoHelper
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16:43:39 <flo> varuna: by the way, your "i do the same thing too i guess" doesn't make any sense to me.
16:44:32 <varuna> flo: i'm not using these two functions from AccountBuddyPrototype, instead i'm testing out with my own implementation of them
16:44:57 <varuna> wait i'll put it on pastebin
16:45:03 <flo> so you are showing me the code you do not use, and expect me to guess what's wrong in the code you do use? :-S
16:45:14 <flo> is pastebin.com very slow only for me?
16:45:37 <deOmega> hi flo.  sorry.. been away.  so, refarding the screenshots.  https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=692
16:46:09 <deOmega> what i am getting now is what likely in teh first two columns
16:46:33 <deOmega> in tsorry, first colum of images, i am getting what appears to be the AFTER
16:46:39 <deOmega> you see the whye shadow?
16:46:51 <deOmega> I think the second column of images is better
16:47:35 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): you should put the pastebin that people shold use in topic
16:49:12 topic changed by flo to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Try Instantbird 0.3 beta! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/"
16:49:16 <flo> DGMurdockIII: done
16:49:57 <flo> deOmega: so you mean you dislike Aero Glass?
16:50:43 <deOmega> Not at all
16:51:04 <deOmega> ah, i thought the bottom image in teh second column was aero glass :(
16:52:02 <deOmega> so back to teh first column..  when  i saw he was d gonan work on it i  assumed he was just gonan make file, tool, help... as visible as display name and status
16:52:12 <deOmega> as opposed toc hanging those too
16:52:16 <flo> it's aero basic :)
16:52:29 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): can you remve the () from topic the screw of the URLS
16:52:40 <deOmega> did nbot know  anyone had a problem with those.  Either case, interesting.  It just  looks unpolished
16:53:26 <flo> DGMurdockIII: your IRC client is completely screwed up.
16:53:55 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): just the ones at the front and end of topis make it look like this Ask questions about Instantbird http://www.instantbird.com here|Try Instantbird 0.3 beta! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/
16:54:04 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
16:54:05 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n43-instantbird-0-3-beta-released-in-10-locales.html - Instantbird 0.3 beta released in 10 locales!
16:54:27 <DGMurdockIII> not like this (Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Try Instantbird 0.3 beta! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/)
16:56:05 <flo> deOmega: anyway, I'm not going to make any change to this without Mic's opinion first, so he's the person you want to talk to about this :).
16:56:35 <flo> And I would suggest showing how it looks for you (if it doesn't look like on the screenshot), or at least explaining how/why the shadow looks/feels unpolished to you :)
16:59:13 <varuna> flo: nope i showed you the code i was using before ... i changed it here and there trying to fix it ... i'll clean it up and show
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17:00:23 <varuna> flo: http://pastebin.com/9eKjfhun
17:01:06 <deOmega> flo: of course.  i figure he would read these when he becomes available
17:05:48 <flo> deOmega: I was a bit busy with the final steps of releasing 0.3 beta 1, so I couldn't give you full attention ;). And I still have a few details to finish. How do you like the blog post I just posted by the way? :)
17:06:44 <deOmega> It is fantastic.  I absolutely agree with  with  the comment
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17:08:12 <flo> I meant the new one
17:09:13 <deOmega> don't you mean 'introducing Time Bubbles' ?
17:09:23 <flo> no
17:09:31 <DGMurdockIII> the roadmap is going to need to be updated
17:09:33 <flo> the "0.3 beta 1 released in 10 locales" post
17:10:23 <deOmega> hmm
17:10:35 <flo> varuna: so we agree that the addBuddy method should be called only when the user uses the "Add buddy" dialog, and this has absolutely nothing to do with the loadBuddy method I just talked about?
17:11:32 <deOmega> I am not seeing it as yet flo
17:11:44 <flo> by the way, if you used Services.contacts and Services.tags instead of all these getService calls, it would be more readable :)
17:11:59 <flo> instantbot gave the link a few minutes ago
17:12:02 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'gave the link a few minutes ago' might be.
17:12:04 <flo> http://blog.instantbird.org/a43-instantbird-0-3-beta-released-in-10-locales.html
17:12:09 <varuna> flo: this checks if the buddy is present and if it's not it adds the buddy and if it is present then it loads the buddy, this what i want this to do, may be i'm doing it wrong :S,
17:12:33 <flo> this is not what the code is doing
17:12:47 <flo> ok, I think I'll need to write a short example ;)
17:12:56 <deOmega> ah, had to go to teh page directly.  seeing it now (I usually   wait for updates on my google homepage)
17:13:09 <flo> varuna: you seem to be confused on the difference between a buddy and an account buddy
17:13:52 <varuna> flo: oh, can you point what i'm ding wrong?
17:14:16 <flo> do you have an idea of the difference between the two?
17:15:10 <varuna> flo: not really, i know that accountbuddy wraps the buddy
17:15:25 <varuna> so i assumed that a buddy can have multiple accountbuddies
17:15:27 <flo> it's not a wrapper, it's a different thing
17:15:32 <varuna> ok
17:15:33 <flo> yes, it can :)
17:15:46 <varuna> so each account hasa abuddy
17:16:03 <varuna> say flo and they get merged when they are connected thoguh multiple accounts
17:16:11 <varuna> multiple protocols
17:16:35 <flo> a contact is a person. Each contact can have several buddy. A buddy is an account of the person. An account buddy is a way to connect an account of the Instantbird user to a buddy of the contact.
17:16:49 <varuna> ah ok
17:17:04 <deOmega> I like it .   Nice and  concise.   Things are really coming together  :)
17:17:05 <flo> so if (and only if) you have several accounts of the same protocol, the buddy can have several account buddies
17:17:37 <varuna> ok
17:17:45 <flo> does this clarify things?
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17:18:13 <varuna> yep, but not about hwy this is not working
17:18:53 <varuna> why*
17:20:03 <flo> the accountBuddyAdded should be used to notify the core that a new accountBuddy was created by a protocol plugin, and that a buddy should be created for it
17:20:20 <flo> (or that it should be linked to an existing buddy)
17:21:18 <varuna> ya, that is working, but when instantbird is restarted how should i do it?
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17:22:12 <flo> varuna: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m180
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17:29:18 <varuna> flo: but all it does is instantiate an AccountBuddy with the Buddy which is also what my code does if getBuddyByNameAndProtocol returns a buddy, as far as i know
17:29:52 <flo> your code is not called when Instantbird is restarted
17:30:18 <flo> "19:10:35 - flo: varuna: so we agree that the addBuddy method should be called only when the user uses the "Add buddy" dialog, and this has absolutely nothing to do with the loadBuddy method I just talked about?"
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17:36:49 <varuna> flo: so how should the buddies be added when we receive the roster?
17:37:23 <flo> the buddies are added locally when the account is loaded.
17:38:18 <flo> When you receive the roaster, you should compare what you receive with what you have locally, and call accountBuddyAdded, accountBuddyRemoved, accountBuddyMoved where needed (= only if the roaster has changed).
17:44:32 <varuna> how should the local list be obtained? isn't it from getBuddyByNameAndProtocol?
17:45:05 <flo> no
17:45:08 <flo> that gives buddies
17:45:18 <flo> the protocol should only care about account buddies
17:45:36 <flo> at startup the loadBuddy method of the account will be called for each account buddy you need to create
17:46:31 <varuna> flo: ah now i got it, thanks ... i didn't get that it's an event/listener till now ... sorry ... i thought it was a method to be called
17:47:23 <flo> :)
17:47:58 <varuna> flo: sorry it took me so long to realise :S :)
17:48:10 <flo> it would be awesome if you could write a wiki page explaining as clearly as possible all the things that were hard to figure out/understand. So that the next person attempting to create a JS protocol plugin doesn't have to go through the same painful confusion and doesn't have to ask the same questions *again*. ;)
17:50:42 <varuna> :D ok will give it a try :)
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18:47:01 <FeuerFliege> vertical tabs got updated. Nice!
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20:00:52 <deOmega> THANK YOU THANK you for vert tabs Clokep :)
20:01:25 <deOmega> My addons do not auto update still it seems
20:08:24 <deOmega> mic;  i was assuming that there were no problems with the way the status and  user name looks in this picture... and that you were only going to change  the 'file tools, help' text that are too light, to look more like  'Ornthalas' and/or 'Available'    https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=678
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20:14:07 <deOmega> This is what it now looks like for me.
20:14:11 <deOmega> http://i51.tinypic.com/14eco7c.jpg
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20:21:51 <deOmega> have a grear evening all
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22:40:16 <flo> Good night
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