#instantbird log on 06 10 2011

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06:40:53 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 834 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
06:40:54 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 706 to bug 834.
06:40:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=834 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Addon manager pane has bad size with german locale
06:43:05 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 835 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
06:43:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=835 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Addon manager doesn't persist size and position
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07:21:14 <waynenguyen> Hi
07:22:11 <Mic> Hi
07:23:15 <waynenguyen> Mic: I have a question about AIO. Is it normal if nothing happens after I press the 'submit' button?
07:23:57 <Mic> What are you trying to do at this moment/which submit button?
07:24:28 <Mic> (but in general I'd assume there should be feedback of any sort)
07:24:31 <waynenguyen> I tried to submit an addon
07:24:35 <Mic> Oh.
07:24:43 <Mic> I thought flo fixed this recently
07:25:16 <Mic> http://hg.instantbird.org/websites/remora/rev/19bb9721c17b
07:25:45 <waynenguyen> I'll try again
07:26:42 <waynenguyen> Yes works now, thank you Mic. :)
07:28:48 <Mic> Here's some other icon-in-tray stuff, the windows part seemingly written with js-ctypes: http://blog.techno-barje.fr/post/2010/08/27/jsctypes-win32api-jetpack-jetintray
07:29:19 <Mic> I haven't tried it, only don't want to lose the link
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08:07:25 <flo> Hello :)
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08:35:31 <flo> Mic: was the add-on manager position ever persisted in our mozilla2-based builds?
08:36:03 <Mic> I can't remember.
08:36:39 <Mic> Even though I can't remember either having to drag it away from the upper left corner of screens where it currently appears 
08:37:22 <flo> maybe it appeared at the center of the screen?
08:37:51 <Mic> I'll try a few earlies nightlies later and if it was any different, I'll figure out when the regression happened.
08:37:58 <Mic> *earlier
08:38:12 <flo> when I read your bug report I first thought it was a regression from bug 712
08:38:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, 0.3a2, clokep, RESO FIXED, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on
08:38:23 <flo> but the mozilla extensions.xul file doesn't persist the position either
08:51:07 <flo> http://blog.margaretleibovic.com/post/6356312141/dominant-favicon-color seems interesting :)
08:51:39 <flo> we would use something similar for example to generate a background color to use behind a user icon that isn't a square :)
08:51:44 <flo> *could
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09:02:03 <Mic> flo: I read this too and wondered where we could use this ;)
09:02:56 <Mic> Windows 7 is also extracting the dominant color from icons and uses it for the hover effect on taskbar items
09:03:03 * flo would like to spend more time actually improving instantbird, and have someone else take care of releasing it
09:12:58 <Mic> I'd say "find someone for it" but honestly I've no idea how to recruit people beside the ones that are coming here by themselves
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09:17:38 <flo> what would be a good release date for 0.3 (1.0) final?
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09:31:02 <rikki> Mic there isn't a sourceforge page is there?
09:31:22 <flo> rikki: what would it be used for?
09:31:41 <rikki> sourceforge has a area where you can advertise for help
09:33:48 <rikki> if you want to get more people i don't see why not creating a project there and adverstising seen instantbird is opensource
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09:37:45 <flo> do we know if people actually look at these announcements on sourceforge?
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09:38:26 <rikki> i found a couple of people to help me a year or so ago
09:42:00 <flo> hmm, so if we want some attentions and have some journalist write about us, I think we can exclude week-ends and Fridays.
09:42:28 <flo> Mondays don't sound fantastic either
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09:42:47 <ig0rk0> hi
09:43:08 <flo> we won't be ready next week (need some time to finish the website and translate it)
09:43:28 <ig0rk0> flo locale extension doesn't work in head
09:43:36 <ig0rk0> Could not find jar manifest entry 'chrome/uk.manifest'.
09:43:42 <ig0rk0> Could not read chrome manifest file 'C:\Program Files\instantbird\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.manifest'.
09:44:04 <flo> you can ignore the chrome/uk.manifest warning
09:44:38 <ig0rk0> yes- but translation doesn't enable
09:44:55 <flo> have you set the locale to uk?
09:44:59 <ig0rk0> ah- wait
09:45:14 <ig0rk0> yes :) it was clear setaup
09:45:19 <ig0rk0> setup :)
09:45:39 <flo> Firefox 5.0 is planned for Tuesday the 21st
09:45:59 <flo> I don't think releasing that day or a day before/after would be good
09:46:50 <flo> that leaves us Thursday the 23rd
09:47:15 <flo> and if we miss it, Tuesday the 28th
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09:49:05 <ig0rk0> hm- i'm getting this add-ons description issue on two different pc...
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10:05:04 <ig0rk0> flo afaik there is no firefox for MacOS?
10:05:17 <flo> where did you get that?
10:05:39 <ig0rk0> can you try to reproduce this bug in VM in windows with firefox installed?
10:07:08 <ig0rk0> hm- really there is FF for MAc
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10:09:36 <flo> chrisccoulson: how is Thunderbird handled in Ubuntu w.r.t the rapid release cycles?
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10:11:15 <chrisccoulson> hi flo - with difficulty ;)
10:11:45 <chrisccoulson> we treat thunderbird basically the same as firefox (ie, in the future we are just going to be tracking the latest version across all ubuntu releases)
10:12:08 <flo> chrisccoulson: by the way, we will release Instantbird 1.0 in June based on Mozilla2, and after that we plan to follow the mozilla releases and release a new major version of Instantbird every 6 or 12 weeks.
10:12:37 <chrisccoulson> xulrunner is an entirely different beast though, as historically we have to spend a lot of time making sure applications continue working each time there is a new version
10:12:53 <chrisccoulson> flo - do you distribute binaries for instantbird too?
10:13:16 <flo> chrisccoulson: we do. (no linux64bit binaries yet though)
10:13:43 <chrisccoulson> flo - your binaries come with their own gecko too?
10:14:18 <flo> yes
10:14:56 <flo> we use xulrunner only for packages on linux distributions that have a (common) policy of not duplicating libraries
10:15:05 <chrisccoulson> ok. so, that would be an acceptable way for us to distribute it (ie, building and shipping its own gecko)
10:15:16 <chrisccoulson> yeah, we dropped that policy for firefox and thunderbird already in ubuntu ;)
10:15:17 <clokep> I don't think the new add-on manager was ever persisted...I wrote the window for it and never put any persistence in it, the size is just hard coded. It's possible when we popped up the real window (instead of our own window) that that persisted though.
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10:15:47 <clokep> And apparently I should have read 5 more lines of the log when flo checked that. :)
10:16:05 <chrisccoulson> flo - the only issue is it would need a maintainer. i'm already pretty busy keeping up with thunderbird and firefox, and i'm not sure i could take on maintaining another application with such a fast release schedule
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10:17:29 <flo> how much work does it involve?
10:18:21 <chrisccoulson> flo - i'm not sure for instantbird, as most of the maintenance came from debian. all i know is that firefox and thunderbird already take up a lot of my time :)
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10:26:56 <clokep> Mic: If you didn't know "Join Chat" no longer works. ;)
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10:31:07 <flo> hmm, email from skype: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/755
10:31:49 <flo> having to pay to complete the registration, to agree to the license agreement, ... That doesn't seem very free-software-friendly :(
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10:34:03 <clokep> No. :(
10:34:35 <clokep> They probably hope lots of people pay the $10 to get in and never develop anything. :D
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10:38:06 <clokep> Is the agreement reasonable?
10:39:28 <flo> I think one needs to login to see it
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10:40:22 <clokep> Yup. You do.
10:48:22 <rikki> just a note on about skype, they proberbly added that 10$ fee because they are hugely in debt
10:48:56 <clokep> And they were also jus tbought by Microsoft. ;)
10:49:05 <rikki> yes :(
10:49:17 <clokep> So I don't know if that will affect SDKs, etc.
10:49:43 <rikki> proberbly won't seen Microsoft is just about making money
10:50:29 * clokep was more worried about them being removed.
10:50:44 <clokep> As in the ability to use an SDK instead of the client.
10:51:15 <flo> So looking at the list of locales:
10:51:15 <flo> Ready: cs, de, uk, sk
10:51:16 <flo> Almost ready: fr, nl, pl
10:51:16 <flo> ETA = "soon": es ("this week-end"), ru, it ("on Saturday")
10:51:16 <flo> Unknown (I haven't heard from the translators, but there used to be some real work in the repository): et, fi
10:51:16 <flo> Never started: el, he, hu, zh-cn.
10:51:45 <flo> (Ready += en-US :-D)
10:51:56 <clokep> Releasing the beta might spurt interest in translating for the final too.
10:52:57 <rikki> hmm just thought of this, if i ever get some free time where im completly board i should to a en-NZ locale
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11:33:59 <DGMurdockIII> hey guys
11:34:27 <DGMurdockIII> when do you think we could see this in instintbird
11:34:39 <DGMurdockIII> http://techdows.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/switch-between-Firefox-channels.png
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11:38:22 <DGMurdockIII> flo can we get somthing like this http://areweprettyyet.com
11:38:33 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): can we get somthing like this http://areweprettyyet.com
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11:44:38 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: I believe they're moving the channel switcher actually. And that wouldn't very helpful to us since we don't have multiple channels. ;)
11:45:03 <DGMurdockIII> yes
11:45:12 <DGMurdockIII> stable and nightly
11:45:23 <clokep_work> Something like areweprettyyet wouldn't make sense for us since we'd need to put a lot of man power into just making the site that could be used in development.
11:45:54 <clokep_work> I don't see "stable" as a separate channel personally.
11:46:04 <DGMurdockIII> where are they moving it to on firefox
11:46:16 <DGMurdockIII> becse it just recently disapeered
11:46:19 <clokep_work> Sorry, they're not moving it, they're *re*moving it.
11:46:25 <DGMurdockIII> after a update
11:46:49 <DGMurdockIII> why
11:47:10 <DGMurdockIII> causes to many probles
11:47:49 <clokep_work> I don't know the reasoning.
11:47:53 <clokep_work> I just remember seeing it pass by me.
11:48:21 <clokep_work> http://blog.mozilla.com/channels/2011/06/02/update-on-channel-switcher/
11:49:02 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: ^ ^ that explains the rationale.
11:53:39 <clokep_work> I think if you release more often it's not really necessary to be switching back and forth anyway since users get the features so quickly. :)
11:55:58 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
11:57:33 <clokep_work> I do really want those gorgeous about windows though! :-D
12:01:04 <flo> how come they haven't made those content tabs already?
12:04:42 <DGMurdockIII> what are content tabs?
12:06:40 <flo> DGMurdockIII: by the way, is there any reason for you to not use Instantbird for IRC?
12:07:09 <DGMurdockIII> yes i use to many channels and servers
12:07:29 <clokep_work> 3/4s of the people in this room don't use Instantbird for IRC. :)
12:07:30 <DGMurdockIII> i just need full irc client
12:07:47 <flo> clokep_work: others don't put garbage around nicknames ;)
12:08:34 <flo> clokep_work: and we should definitely improve that!
12:08:42 <DGMurdockIII> it the way my client works
12:09:01 <clokep_work> flo: Touche.
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12:09:17 <clokep_work> Yes, we should improve that, what needs to work better, etc.
12:09:18 <DGMurdockIII> what do you see when i do this
12:09:22 <flo> it would also be nice to have more people using it in #developers
12:09:23 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): test
12:09:26 <clokep_work> Although the UI for Instantbird is real tough to have many many tabs open.
12:09:45 <DGMurdockIII> copy the test line to channel
12:09:48 <DGMurdockIII> please
12:10:24 <flo> clokep_work: it's the reason why I'd like to have them in the "Contacts" window instead of the conversations window
12:10:32 <DGMurdockIII> and there is no irc server list
12:10:40 <DGMurdockIII> on instinstbird
12:10:42 <flo> I would like to only have in the conversations window the tabs with which I interact
12:10:42 <clokep_work> "IRC server list"?
12:11:03 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: This is what your clients shows Instantbot: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110610/#m262
12:11:21 <clokep_work> flo: Right, so #instantbird and maybe a couple of others up, unless you get pinged or watched words appear, etc?
12:11:45 <DGMurdockIII> ok
12:11:50 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: By IRC server list you mean being able to just choose Freenode out of a list and it has the connection settings automatically?
12:11:54 <flo> yeah, they would appear only if I get pinged, or if I click on them in the list
12:11:56 <clokep_work> (For example.)
12:12:01 <DGMurdockIII> yes
12:12:28 <clokep_work> Is that pretty standard on IRC clients? I know that ChatZilla has it...but it seems silly for many people to maintain that same list...
12:12:35 <flo> and the tabs would be closed automatically for conversations that I haven't interacted with recently and that don't have unread messages directed to me
12:13:15 <clokep_work> That sounds like it'd be good (as long as you could still "pin" a conversation open, i.e. I'd always have #instantbird open)
12:13:57 <flo> the "closed automatically" part may be an add-on like my autoclose tabs Firefox add-on :)
12:14:06 <flo> well, the whole thing may be an add-on at first
12:14:38 <clokep_work> Would clicking the "x" on a tab have you /part or just not display it?
12:14:53 <DGMurdockIII> flo let me take a screen shot of what my client is doing so you guys can try to fix it
12:17:00 <flo> DGMurdockIII: I don't see why we would try to fix your client
12:17:09 <flo> clokep_work: just hide it
12:17:15 <DGMurdockIII> http://i.imgur.com/6NHtq.png
12:17:18 <clokep_work> OK. :)
12:17:35 <clokep_work> Bah I refuse to fix anything mIRC does.
12:17:55 <flo> clokep_work: you sound like a pidgin developer when you say that :-P
12:18:10 <DGMurdockIII> you can fix it so the at least the ugly formating dose not show up
12:18:23 <clokep_work> flo: Hahah, but he designs his client to be ONLY compatible w/ mIRC, I'm not saying I won't be compatible w/ the spec. ;)
12:18:34 <flo> DGMurdockIII: honestly, the easiest fix I see is kicking you out.
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12:19:10 <clokep_work> Actually...if my IRC stuff is as pluggable as I hope...I'll probably make an mIRC handler as an extension to deal w/ all his garabage, but keep it separate.
12:19:56 <DGMurdockIII> i really dont like mirc that much but there is a irc client im going to switch to that these guys have been working on for a while when it in a working state im going to be using it
12:20:12 <flo> looking at that screenshot, mIRC seems completely unusable to me
12:20:35 <DGMurdockIII> http://wirc.noldorin.com/
12:20:38 <flo> when people talk about "real IRC client" I always assume something like Colloguy
12:21:18 <DGMurdockIII> that what im going to switch to
12:23:57 <clokep_work> flo: But Colloquy has a similar layout.
12:24:11 <DGMurdockIII> but they dont want to do a half baked irc client
12:24:12 <flo> it looks like Adium message themes ;)
12:24:16 <clokep_work> I think a "Real IRC" client to people means a list of rooms/servers on the left as a tree + a big screen on the right to type in.
12:24:22 <DGMurdockIII> that why it taking so long
12:24:49 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Do they have screenshots anywhere? Feature lists? Etc?
12:24:58 <clokep_work> (Launchpad always confuses the hell out of me.)
12:25:14 <flo> clokep_work: or wasn't it irssi ("The client of the future") ? :-D
12:25:23 <DGMurdockIII> yeah i now they have one other site if i can fine it
12:25:38 <clokep_work> Cool. :)
12:25:57 <clokep_work> flo: irssi is to IRC as Lynx is to HTTP for me. ;)
12:26:08 <clokep_work> Aka, it's cool that it's all text based...but 100% unusable.
12:27:04 <clokep_work> I think Mook's extension of combining the windows together and having a tree like list of rooms is a pretty valid thing if you use it as an IRC client...I just find the UX of most IRC clients to be unusable.
12:27:23 <clokep_work> I've tried a bunch and they just expose the protocol way too much.
12:28:28 <DGMurdockIII> http://ircdotnet.codeplex.com/
12:28:37 <DGMurdockIII> this is there other site
12:28:41 <clokep_work> You'll have to let me know when that comes out DGMurdockIII so I can try it and steal ideas. ;)
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12:29:42 <DGMurdockIII> irc.net is the irc library that will powar there client that what there working on right now
12:30:48 <flo> am I the only one understanding that explanation as "it's vaporware"? :)
12:31:50 <clokep_work> Hence why I asked him to tell me instead of following it myself. ;)
12:32:00 <clokep_work> There's a spelling error on that page. :(
12:37:11 <clokep_work> Most of people in #developers use irssi I think though, no?
12:37:21 <flo> or chatzilla
12:37:31 <flo> or colloguy
12:37:36 * clokep_work might need to make an extension to ping every one w/ a CTCP VERSION command. ;)
12:37:46 <clokep_work> Silver does this in #chatzilla btw.
12:38:06 <clokep_work> (As far as I can tell, his clients always pings me w/ VERSION whenever I connect.)
12:40:49 <flo> et was complete in august 2010, but never released. Fi was complete for 0.2 and not updated since that
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13:01:53 <clokep_work> Also Releasing soon after Firefox 5 might be good if we can ride the coat tails a bit. :)
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13:03:06 <clokep_work> Versions in #instantbird: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/756
13:04:36 <flo> so 3/4 not using Instantbird? really? :)
13:05:12 <clokep_work> 55.6% not using Instantbird. ;)
13:05:21 <clokep_work> Although instantbot hardly counts.
13:05:36 <flo> not sure if sonny is using Pidgin or Instantbird
13:06:09 <clokep_work> Right.
13:06:26 <flo> should we change that Purple string to "Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com" ?
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13:09:38 <flo> it's at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/irc/parse.c#565 (if anybody cares)
13:10:07 <clokep_work> Interestingly...none of the clients I just pinged returned the version as it's specified in the spec, which is: <client name>:<version>:<environment>
13:10:47 <clokep_work> Although an updated spec says <client name and version><space><environment and version><space><organization and contact>
13:10:48 <flo> returning the version number doesn't seem like a great idea (for security)
13:10:49 <clokep_work> So who knows. :)
13:11:33 <clokep_work> Yes, I agree. It'd be good to return Instantbird though (with the website) probably.
13:11:36 <flo> it shouldn't be more detailed than in the user agent
13:12:08 <flo> wasn't there a proposal for removing the buildid from the useragent?
13:12:47 <clokep_work> Yes, I think so. Is it still there?
13:14:34 <FeuerFliege> Hi, I like the new buddie icon placeholder
13:14:41 <flo> :)
13:15:10 <flo> so for this beta, we are going to ship cs, de, fr, uk, sk
13:15:28 <clokep_work> and en-US!
13:15:32 <clokep_work> I want to be able to use it. :P
13:15:33 <flo> :)
13:15:47 <flo> who cares about americans? ;)
13:15:59 <clokep_work> :'(
13:16:12 <clokep_work> I'll probably only use it for day anyway. :)
13:16:24 <flo> you know the french locale is made in the US? ;)
13:17:06 <clokep_work> That's ironic. :)
13:17:20 <FeuerFliege> flo: really?
13:17:25 <flo> yeah
13:18:21 <clokep_work> flo: I'd be for switching the VERSION string if it's easy enough to do for 0.3 final.
13:18:30 <flo> yes, after beta
13:18:34 <flo> remind me to do it :)
13:18:40 * clokep_work will file a bug.
13:18:45 <flo> or file a bug :)
13:19:04 <flo> I think we also wanted to file a bug for the CSS improvements around the contact drop target
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13:20:37 <FeuerFliege> btw is there a reason, that IRC channel can’t be saved (except auto join)?
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13:21:32 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 836 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:21:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836 tri, --, 0.3, nobody, NEW, Change VERSION string for IRC
13:22:05 <clokep_work> CSS improvements? Like the ones Mic showed the other day?
13:22:22 <flo> italic/gray/centered/<>/()/... that discussion
13:22:34 <clokep_work> Ah, yes. :) Just do all of them. ;)
13:22:58 <flo> + highlight the buddies too when the target is the contact
13:23:11 <flo> well, more generally "make that look less ugly"
13:25:00 <clokep_work> Fair enough. :)
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13:27:19 <clokep_work> Any idea what he meant by "be saved"? :-/
13:27:35 <flo> I assume he meant "put in the buddy list".
13:27:53 <flo> and wanted actually "an history for completion when joining again in the future" :)
13:27:53 <clokep_work> Ah, probably.
13:28:30 <clokep_work> That would be nice. :)
13:28:40 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall :)
13:29:27 <clokep_work> Linux is compiling, Mac is updating...and Windows is STILL cleaning. :(
13:29:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ad78b9fd0ce1 - Florian Quèze - Set version number to 0.3b1, change default revisions in client.py and add shipped-locales.
13:29:51 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/502afc2ea316 - Florian Quèze - Bump version number to 0.3pre on the default branch.
13:30:56 * clokep_work wonders if it should be bumped to 1.0pre?
13:31:00 <Mic> http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5656/funwithwindowsapi.png
13:31:54 <clokep_work> Mic: Congrats! Did the other computer receive and respond? ;)
13:32:22 <Mic> oh, i meant the window styling not the content of the window ;)
13:32:27 <clokep_work> Oh hahaha.
13:32:46 <clokep_work> ...it's backwards?
13:32:57 <Mic> yes, i set the window to be RTL
13:33:03 <flo> why don't you just get a mac? :-P
13:33:21 <flo> (if you want the close button on the left)
13:33:29 <clokep_work> I'm unsure whether you're trying to show that it works or that it doesn't work. ;)
13:33:52 <flo> clokep_work: we just looked at the content anyway and didn't notice the frame around ;)
13:34:15 <Mic> RTL setting with LTR text doesn't go that well together
13:34:28 <Mic> beside that I think it's what it's supposed to look like
13:34:42 <clokep_work> Any reason you switched it to RTL?
13:35:16 <clokep_work> Are any of our locales RTL btw? (I have a severe lack of knowledge about l10n.)
13:35:18 <Mic> I wanted to try if it actually works ;)
13:35:52 <Mic> Sending to the local computer works, and I get good response values
13:36:08 <Mic> It's not a protocol yet
13:36:32 <Mic> I only figured out how to use the API so far (and js-ctypes even more so;)
13:37:07 <clokep_work> Cool. :)
13:37:17 <clokep_work> So does that mean you enabled NETSEND on your computer?
13:37:23 <Mic> no, netsend is gone
13:37:32 <clokep_work> Oh, what's it using?
13:37:51 <Mic> It's a remote desktop service thingie afaik
13:38:12 <Mic> gtg
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13:38:25 <clokep_work> Hmm...interesting.
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13:45:59 * clokep_work finds it strange that the "Features" listed on Wikipedia for IRC clients include things such as "SSL" and "multiple servers", isn't that expected?
13:52:37 <flo> our l10n repack scripts are busted :(
13:56:56 <clokep_work> :( Moz2 changes?
13:57:14 <flo> maybe
14:02:19 <flo> it seems to be around unpacking omni.jar, repacking it with another locale, and then unpacking it again
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14:49:54 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/450fa2ae9c0a - Florian Quèze - Include nl and pl too as they are almost complete and English strings will be merged in to replace the missing strings.
14:49:55 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/163b65677c8d - Florian Quèze - Fix errors while repackaging builds.
14:51:48 <flo> next try! :)
14:56:42 <clokep_work> Hah, it helps to use the moz-2.0-l10n repo I guess? :)
14:57:12 <flo> that didn't make it fail
14:57:40 <flo> we just had hundred of untranslated strings that were replaced by the en-US strings during the merge step
14:59:56 <clokep_work> How "close" are nl and pl?
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15:02:45 <flo> nl misses twitter.properties, commands.properties, a few libpurple strings and some not really used branding strings
15:03:44 <flo> pl misses 6 strings: 1 in instantbird.dtd, a few in jabber/oscar.properties + the not really used branding strings
15:04:08 <clokep_work> That's close. :) Is there some way to check that btw?
15:04:29 <flo> http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/builders/translate/builds/341/steps/shell_3/logs/stdio/text (nl)
15:04:38 <flo> http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/builders/translate/builds/342/steps/shell_3/logs/stdio/text (pl)
15:05:08 <flo> I'm looking at the logs of the "merged" steps on the l10n waterfall (http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/waterfall)
15:06:47 <flo> we need some better automation around l10n
15:06:54 <FeuerFliege> flo: just merge it with en-US for the beta
15:07:12 <flo> FeuerFliege: that's the automatic behavior ;)
15:07:39 <flo> the manual part is to decide if it's complete enough to release or not
15:07:49 <FeuerFliege> ok, but if they are that close why no nl or pl beta?
15:07:50 <flo> I decided to at least build them.
15:08:03 <FeuerFliege> ah ok
15:08:10 <flo> I think you just missed the point of the last change
15:08:15 <flo> I *did* add them
15:08:30 <FeuerFliege> sry i overread this point.
15:10:24 <clokep_work> Yeah, could always at least put them on the ftp and just not on the release page too.
15:10:42 <flo> that will up to the translators to decide I think
15:10:44 <flo> even for complete builds
15:10:55 <flo> we will give them the release candidate set so that they can test it
15:11:10 <flo> if they notice mistakes that are too big for it to be releasable, we won't put the link on the page
15:12:28 <clokep_work> :) And I thought I had a unique idea. ;)
15:15:07 <flo> hmm, it's possible I was overenthusiast, it seems to fail on the incomplete locales
15:16:04 <flo> so it merges the changes and then discards the result of the merge? uh :-S
15:19:47 <clokep_work> Hha. Seems useful.
15:23:36 <flo> pl is complete
15:25:10 <clokep_work> Haha, that was easy. :)
15:25:53 <flo> and we are producing another failed set of repackaged builds :)
15:26:59 <clokep_work> There's some many warnings in mozilla. :-/
15:30:52 <flo> and so many stupid ways to fail builds
15:33:47 <FeuerFliege> where is the log? I have much experience in failing firefox-l10n builds ;)
15:34:13 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall
15:35:06 <flo> we have out of date mozilla strings for a few locales because the code does an hg pull without hg up after (should be fixed by http://pastebin.instantbird.com/757)
15:35:22 <flo> and I'm looking for a wait to make builds not fail when strings are missing. (see the nl failure)
15:36:47 <flo> *way
15:45:05 <flo> the problem is most likely around http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/locales/Makefile.in#56
15:47:04 <clokep_work> Which means it's actually in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/locales/compare-locales.pl?
15:47:22 <flo> I think we should just not call that
15:47:54 <flo> it compares the source dir rather than the folders used to build (where there was a merge earlier anyway)
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16:25:58 <igorko> when we will see bea in releases folder?
16:26:05 <igorko> beta*
16:28:34 <flo> starting a third set of builds
16:28:40 <flo> so many failed builds on the waterfall :-/
16:29:05 <flo> igorko: we will have release candidates in less than an hour for linux
16:29:30 <flo> in about 2 hours for windows
16:29:57 <flo> and about 3 hours for Mac
16:29:59 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0b283aa8fe91 - Florian Quèze - Update the l10n repositories after pulling in new changesets.
16:30:00 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d192ebb6b041 - Florian Quèze - Make missing strings non-fatal.
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16:31:10 <flo> that's if everything goes well and I don't have to start a 4th set of builds of course :)
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16:48:17 <flo> ah, the linux build is almost done already :)
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16:53:25 <flo> can someone with some hg knowledge and less tired than I am currently tell me what I messed up to have this: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/758 (the hg update call that doesn't actually update the files)?
16:57:16 <clokep_work> Wouldn't you want "hg update -R default -C" ?
16:57:24 <clokep_work> Update to the default revision, and clean?
17:04:42 <flo> shouldn't this already be what that line does?
17:05:33 <clokep_work> What is "-R /builds/slave/linux/pl"?
17:06:34 <flo> the path to the repository
17:06:41 <flo> ah, the problem is: http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/pl/
17:07:04 <flo> the pl team put their new translations in a 0.3b1 branch :-S
17:08:37 <clokep_work> Ah, that would do it. :)
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17:13:16 <flo> I pushed a merge in the pl repository
17:13:23 <flo> and it's time to restart that build _again_
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17:21:27 <clokep_work> #4? :(
17:21:32 <flo> yes
17:21:34 <flo> on Linux at least
17:21:40 <clokep_work> Did Mac & Windows at least not get to that point yet that fixing the repository should fix it? :)
17:21:50 <flo> the other 2 OS hadn't updated the pl repository yet, so they are still on their 3rd attempt
17:22:20 <flo> it would be nice to check in the linux log that nothing else went wrong
17:22:51 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-release-0.3b1/builds/2/steps/shell_2/logs/stdio if anybody finds something scary in this log, tell me.
17:23:03 <flo> Don't miss an opportunity to make me start a 5th set :)
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17:24:44 <flo> I'm glad we have at least one fast build machine :)
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17:28:17 <igorko> flo: why you deleted branding files in pl? I don't get it
17:28:40 <flo> I just merged the 0.3b1 branch
17:29:56 <flo> and yes, those files should be added back
17:30:42 <igorko> and why there are listed not all files in commit changelog?
17:30:46 <igorko> some hg byg?
17:30:55 <igorko> bug*
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17:36:29 <flo> the log to check now is http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-release-0.3b1/builds/3/steps/shell_2/logs/stdio (the build is already compiled :))
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17:41:21 <flo> ok, I'm going home, I'll be back later to see the results :)
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19:45:06 <FeuerFliege> windows and mac builds tried to call compare_locales.
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20:30:34 <flo> I'm afraid we won't have release candidates this evening :(. I need Event to install something on the Windows VM, and the Mac error is not something I understand :-(.
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21:54:11 <Mic> Good evening
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22:47:49 <flo> I think we are almost ready to start another set of builds :)
22:48:38 <Mic> Good luck  :)
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22:54:00 <flo> hmm, I just tried a repackageed Mac french build and it didn't start at all :-/
22:54:31 <flo> it's possible my local (partial re)build is messed up though :)
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23:20:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/56dc97ef4f7c - Florian Quèze - Additional locales: ru (ready), es-ES (almost ready).
23:20:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/637035b44e0a - Florian Quèze - More l10n repackaging fixes.
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23:35:57 <flo> Good night :)
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