#instantbird log on 06 04 2011

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07:29:21 <Mic> No buddy icons yet but Buddy Status is working with 0.3 now and is using lots  of its awesomeness ;)
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09:10:02 <igorko> hi
09:10:33 <igorko> what means "timeline" in twitter localization? (p.s.: i never used twitter)
09:11:57 <flo> hello
09:12:31 <igorko> in cntext of "user timeline" i mean
09:12:35 <flo> it's the page (in Instantbird it's a tab) where the recent messages that the user may be interested in are displayed.
09:12:36 <igorko> context*
09:13:04 <flo> ah, for the account manager?
09:13:23 <igorko> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5ea81eb82790
09:13:35 <igorko> timeline=%S timeline
09:13:49 <igorko> %S will be replaced by @<username>
09:14:42 <igorko> "the user may be interested" - what messages? all received?
09:15:22 <flo> all the messages yes. The messages the user wrote, the message the people the user follows wrote, and the messages containing the keywords tracked by the user
09:16:09 <igorko> i see
09:16:12 <igorko> thanks
09:16:30 <flo> you are welcome :)
09:17:20 <igorko> now it's time to think how to translate it :)
09:19:40 <igorko> can this be translated as e.g. "message history"
09:19:47 <igorko> ?
09:20:12 <igorko> because original translation of timeline sucks here
09:20:44 <igorko> or conversation history
09:21:58 <flo> it would better if you could find something that's a single word
09:22:09 <igorko> yeah- bad idea
09:22:35 <flo> and it doesn't' matter much if you keep the notion of "time" in there.
09:23:49 <flo> the ideal translation would be to find how twitter.com translates it on its website, so that twitter users of your locale recognize it
09:24:08 <flo> (but I don't know if twitter.com exists in your locale :-S)
09:25:32 <flo> twitter.com seems to exist in currently only 9 languages :-/
09:25:51 <flo> would knowing the Russian word used by twitter.com help you?
09:26:33 <igorko> yes it will
09:26:50 <igorko> could you watch it please?
09:29:17 <flo> "Лента" does this make sense?
09:29:28 <igorko> yes
09:29:31 <igorko> i does
09:29:40 <igorko> thanks again ;)
09:29:50 <flo> you are welcome
09:30:12 <flo> while my twitter account has a completely unreadable interface, do you need something else? :-D
09:30:20 <flo> (I don't speak/read Russian ;))
09:30:45 <igorko> no- that's all
09:31:21 <igorko> but i think you know whole interface even withunreadable words :)
09:31:36 <flo> I don't use twitter.com that often
09:31:40 <igorko> i mean remember
09:31:45 <igorko> i see
09:31:52 <flo> I rather use Instantbird ;)
09:32:24 <flo> but as it's a website, I can at least read the address of the pages the links point to, they are in plain english :)
09:36:21 <flo> just in case it helps, the offical UI in English http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/43/image68.png and Russian http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4738/image67p.png
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09:47:07 <igorko> does locale buildbot work?
09:47:30 <igorko> if yes than it's slow today :)
09:48:15 <flo> the machine is offline.
09:48:24 <flo> I'll text Even to ask him if this is "expected"
09:49:20 <igorko> maybe machine is on vacation :)
09:50:44 <igorko> if uk locale with my last commit will build than it's full now(just for info)
09:51:48 <flo> cool :)
09:53:13 <Mic> flo: if I update an add-on and set it's compatibility to "0.3a1pre - 0.3" will 0.2 user be bothered by a suggested update that turns out to be incompatible?
09:53:21 <Mic> I guess not but asking doesn't hurt ;)
09:53:30 <Mic> *its
09:53:30 <flo> I don't think they will.
09:57:39 <Mic> If I understood the concept correctly, I'll add the following behaviour to Buddy Status: Contacts with a tag like "No contact alerts" will be excluded from displaying status alerts
09:57:54 <Mic> Is this the intended use of tags?
09:59:39 <flo> It's a correct use, yes
10:00:11 <flo> or you could also decide that only the contacts with a specific tag will have alerts
10:00:28 <flo> (for example in the future when we add a "favorite" tag, it may be a good tag to use for notifications)
10:05:41 <Mic> I was thinking to allow both for now (Show alert by default + excludes/No alerts by default + excludes)
10:05:53 <Mic> I can still change that once we have such a tag
10:11:17 <flo> I guess the last "excludes" was meant to be "includes" ;)
10:11:30 <Mic> Excludes from the respective rule
10:12:08 <Mic> Yes, 'includes' if you like 
10:13:56 <flo> ah ok, excludes in the sense of exception :)
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10:15:26 <Mic> Yes, this might be the better word for them
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10:39:18 <igorko> there will be updated Buddy Status addon?
10:40:44 <igorko> need to go
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11:53:57 <clokep> Good morning!
11:54:20 <clokep> Account manager looks good. :) And so does the automatic resizing. ;)
11:54:50 <flo> hello :)
11:55:48 <clokep> I have most of vertical tabs working again!
11:56:04 <clokep> Except connecting the tab to the conversation. :( I cna't figure out the magic incantation. ;)
11:57:50 <clokep> And I can fit 14 tabs on my window before over flowing. :)
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12:16:11 <flo> I haven't found any regression caused by my rushed patches of yesterday yet, that's surprising :)
12:19:13 * clokep is going through the changes and cecking them up.
12:19:56 <Mic> We're not using "verified fixed" at all.. 
12:19:59 <clokep> Hmm....I feel like the "drop a contact here to merge it" should be in gray text? And maybe in parenthesis?
12:20:13 <Mic> I thought the same
12:20:17 <Mic> Italic or so
12:20:37 <clokep> Ah, yes. Italic would probably be good too.
12:20:50 <clokep> Mic: Somethings we mark as verified fix, but not much.
12:21:37 <clokep> The tags UI works well. :)
12:21:51 <Mic> The list of tags wraps properly by the way
12:22:12 <Mic> I created a tag with an insanely long name only to notice too late that we have no UI to actually remove it again
12:22:32 <Mic> D'oh! ;)
12:23:13 <Mic> The tag service doesn't offer a method to remove a tag btw.
12:23:14 <clokep> Haha.
12:23:25 <clokep> Sounds like we need a bug for that. :)
12:27:30 <flo> and a UI proposal
12:28:26 <clokep> An "x" in the list on the right when you mouseover each tag.
12:28:53 <flo> in which list?
12:28:59 <clokep> The changing UI list.
12:29:14 <clokep> We should probably be able to rename them too. :-/
12:29:27 <clokep> (Essentially move an entire tag to another tag.)
12:30:07 <flo> what's the "changing UI list"?
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12:32:53 <Mic> Oh, the number of blockers is down to eight already :)
12:33:13 <Mic> I'll fix 803 later today
12:33:41 <flo> Mic: did you like my textbox fix? ;)
12:34:08 <Mic> I would have never come up with something like that
12:34:18 <Mic> and I understand your black-magic comment about it ;)
12:34:44 <clokep> flo: When you right click, the tag list? Is there any other way to change tags?
12:35:13 <flo> clokep: there's also a tag list named "Visible tags" when right clicking on a tag, rather than a contact
12:35:19 <Mic> You can't put customized elemnents in menus
12:35:25 <clokep> Oh, I didn't realize that.
12:35:32 <flo> Mic: really?
12:35:34 <Mic> You'd need to use a panel for that
12:35:37 <Mic> Yes, I tried it.
12:36:01 <Mic> You can in a way.. it will appear as you want it
12:36:13 <Mic> You just can't interact with them.
12:36:15 <flo> my items in the all-targets are customized
12:36:22 <flo> ah, ok
12:36:43 <Mic> You can't put buttons and such there and expect them to work
12:37:46 <flo> I remember failing to receive events inside a menupopup once a few years ago
12:38:05 <clokep> That's annoying. :(
12:39:11 <clokep> I actually remember having similar issues with menu items though.
12:39:25 <clokep> We could have an "edit tags" UI, but that would involve a pop-up I guess.
12:39:27 <flo> the "drop a contact here to merge it" text doesn't look good when in GrayText + italic
12:39:48 <flo> it seems to be something disabled that can't be interacted with. It's not inviting to drop something there :-S
12:39:49 <clokep> I find it strange that it's black and the rest of the text inside a contact is in grey.
12:40:29 <flo> clokep: I agree it doesn't look good (otherwise I wouldn't have tried to suggestions ;))
12:40:43 <clokep> Yup.
12:40:50 <flo> I wonder if it would look better if I revert the position to what it was in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=696
12:41:24 <clokep> I also find it a little strange that the D in "drop" is lowercase.
12:41:42 <Mic> Ah, I only saw it with the buddy list of a contact opened .. 
12:42:01 <Mic> It looks rather strange then.
12:42:23 <flo> actually, it doesn't really look like a disabled item, but like the status of the single buddy above it
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12:42:54 <Mic> /<Drop contact here to merge>/
12:43:09 * clokep wonders why the all tabs drop down isn't showing up when vertical.
12:44:15 <flo> is there an image host that sucks less than imageshack.us ?
12:44:30 <clokep> I've been using imgur
12:44:41 <clokep> www.imgur.com
12:44:46 <clokep> It's pretty good. :)
12:45:20 <flo> I would like to drop the image in the textbox and have Instantbird send the image to my image hosting service of choice (in the preferences) and send a link of course...
12:45:43 <clokep> I was just thinking last night how that would be awesome for Twitter in particular.
12:45:48 <clokep> But it'd work for anything really. :)
12:45:52 <flo> http://i.imgur.com/sd6Fq.png
12:46:29 <flo> it would be even better if we had bought ib.im for that when it was still available ;)
12:46:59 <clokep> Is ib.im not available? :)
12:47:00 <Mic> Could you try what it would look like with arrow brackets around it?
12:47:09 <flo> it wasn't last year
12:47:15 <flo> and it was the year before
12:47:34 <flo> Mic: sure
12:47:38 <clokep> Ah, I see.
12:47:54 <clokep> Arrow brackets in English don't really mean anything though. :-/
12:48:15 <clokep> That's why I think parenthesis would work better, viewing it as like an aside.
12:48:40 <Mic> They don't mean anything in german either.
12:48:48 <clokep> Hm, OK.
12:49:09 <flo> my .im registrar (used for instantbird.im) says that the domain is already registered, but the whois is "Domain Name:	ib.im
12:49:10 <flo> The domain ib.im was not found."
12:49:23 <clokep> Yeah, I got a blank WHOIS.
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12:54:02 <Mic> The linear gradient on unselected contacts with opened buddy list doesn't really look good either :S
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12:54:28 <FeuerFliege> hi
12:54:38 <Mic> And it gets worse when you drag something above it
12:55:03 <flo> http://i.imgur.com/J24OM.png
12:56:12 <Mic> I think it looks better since it's more distinguished from the other UI elements there
12:56:34 <Mic> It doesn't appear like anything that actually belongs to the contact
12:56:36 <flo> I'm not sure it's good to align it with buddies
12:56:48 <clokep> Hello FeuerFliege.
12:57:10 <clokep> flo: You might be right that the change in alignment wasn't a good idea. :(
12:57:17 <Mic> Can you add a bit of padding on top and bottom so the target gets larger and looks less packed?
12:57:23 <flo> clokep: it was good yesterday :)
12:57:30 <flo> Mic: no :)
12:57:37 <flo> a 1px border maybe
12:58:39 <flo> hmm, maybe it should just be centered, rather than aligned with something :-S
12:58:58 <flo> (moving it back to the left looks bad too)
13:00:04 <flo> by the way, should it be <message> or < message > ?
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13:04:12 <Mic> I think I like it better without but there's no real reason behind that ;)
13:04:53 <flo> you mean without space? it's more packed this way though :-P
13:05:09 <FeuerFliege> I have a question about translating accesskeys. Should i leave them as they are (i.e. accesskeys should be language independent) or should I translate them firefox-like.
13:05:20 <flo> Mic: by the way, I agree that unselected extended contacts look really bad :(
13:05:31 <flo> FeuerFliege: Firefox-like
13:05:40 <FeuerFliege> ok, thx.
13:05:52 <flo> attempt to find a letter in the translated string which isn't used yet in the same window
13:06:39 <FeuerFliege> I’ll try ;)
13:06:51 <Mic> That's what it looks like on Windows Vista: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5866/ibcontactlist.png
13:07:38 <flo> Mic: it's almost as uggly on Mac
13:08:20 <flo> the only ugly thing of your screenshot that I don't have on Mac is the 1px vertical line (border? Padding?) between selected contacts and the scrollbar
13:09:02 <Mic> There's another on the other side and it will be quite visible if you drag over the contact, as the highlighted background will stretch down there
13:10:07 <flo> I said the *selected* contact
13:10:26 <flo> The 2px line on both side of the buddies is visible on Mac too.
13:11:58 <Mic> Are you sure that this isn't part of the scrollbar?
13:11:58 <flo> but the line I mentioned seems to be a border of your scrollbar.
13:12:10 <flo> no :)
13:12:28 <flo> but it doesn't make it less ugly
13:12:48 <Mic> OK, then I'm not surprised to have found it on the conversations scrollbar  too ;)
13:13:03 <flo> uh, how come the spellchecker is broken in this tab :-S
13:14:07 <flo> only in this tab.
13:14:09 <Mic> The drag-effect: http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7431/ibdragovercontact.png
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13:14:59 <flo> I have the 2 blue vertical bars too
13:15:30 <flo> maybe we could put 2px of blue after the buddy list, and add rounded corners on the list of buddies?
13:15:32 <Mic> Is there a padding or margin that we could remove?
13:15:48 <Mic> I wanted to experiment with different looks later
13:15:56 <Mic> e.g. putting all of a contact into a box
13:16:04 <flo> remove or add. The idea was to show that you are dragging to the contact which includes all these buddies
13:16:05 <Mic> So it's a clearly defined area
13:16:21 <Mic> I need to go, bbl
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13:17:21 <flo> someday I would like to try to animate the transition between 1 line and 2 lines contacts :)
13:25:54 <clokep> that would look nice. :)
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13:54:25 <flo> wow, Google translate translates "Mozilla Hispano" (language auto-detected as Spanish) into "MozillaZine" (en-US).
13:54:48 <clokep> That's weird. :(
13:55:46 <Mic> And vice versa
13:55:46 <flo> "traductora-localizadora EN ES" is translated by "translator, localizer expenditures"
13:58:28 <Mic> flo: what about setting the background of all buddies to "Highlight" too if dragging over a contact?
13:59:39 <clokep> Are you checking translations?
14:00:18 <flo> clokep: I just found a tweet from our Es-ES translator who reported that Instantbird 0.3 was string frozen
14:00:30 <clokep> Ohhhh, cool. :)
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14:58:38 <Mic> Maybe this conveys the message that buddies are belonging to contacts in a good manner:
14:58:39 <Mic> http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/488/ibmockup.png
14:59:17 <Mic> And what is part of a contact-item and so on
15:00:57 <Mic> clokep: does "combine" sound less technical than "merge" for a native speaker?
15:01:57 <clokep> Mic: I don't know, possibly a little bit.
15:02:13 <clokep> That looks good though Mic.
15:03:31 <clokep> I can get back to you on the "combine" merge, they're pretty synonymous to me.
15:05:17 <clokep> OK. One of my friends said with confidence that "Merge" is more technical, so we should use combine.
15:05:29 <clokep> (Windows Phone uses "link" btw, which I think is interesting...)
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15:14:32 <Mic> If someone's interested in the css to it: 
15:14:34 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/735
15:14:47 <Mic> Merge it with blist.css or put it into userChrome
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15:29:26 <Mic> And if you've got enough available screen space: now with some extra padding ;)
15:29:27 <Mic> http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3489/ibnowwithextrapadding.png
15:29:43 <Mic> I really like it .. :)
15:33:43 <clokep> Interesting. Takes up a lot more space though. :9
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15:50:03 <clokep> Anyone have an idea why "blink element" isn't working in DOMi for me?
16:04:14 <Mic> It's not working for me either anymore
16:04:17 <Mic> For a long time already
16:07:39 <clokep> Oh, OK. As long as it's not just me. :)
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17:03:04 <flo> I like the border/rounded corners/background on Mic screenshot for extended contacts, it really helps to notice it's "one block" that goes together. I would rather not add borders around all contacts, I think I would try to limit that to extended, selected and (maybe) hovered contacts.
17:30:21 <clokep> flo: Is a negative z-index valid? (I'm trying to get a border of my splitter to appear behind my tabs. :-/)
17:31:36 <clokep> Or if you know the proper way to do this, that would be helpful as well. ;)
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17:50:33 <flo> maybe you can rather try to have the tabs above the splitter?
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17:52:41 <clokep> Hmmm...yes, that might work too.
17:53:11 <clokep> Sorry, was just fixing an issue w/ my splitter.
17:53:24 <clokep> It was collapsing only the tab drop indicator bar...aka not being very helpful. :)
17:55:18 <flo> igorko: the machine used to build lang packs is back online :)
18:03:15 <igorko> back
18:03:21 <igorko> yeah- i received email
18:04:04 <igorko> uk language pack status: Success. :)
18:04:14 <igorko> what you said about beta testing?
18:05:24 <flo> I said that we will release next week Instantbird 0.3 beta 1 in all languages that will be ready by the time we build it.
18:05:57 <igorko> yeah- just watched your mail :)
18:06:39 <igorko> updating...
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18:10:25 <igorko> seems ok
18:10:50 <igorko> and yeah- there is little bug
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18:12:28 <igorko> Copyright 2007-2010 blablabla on About Page
18:12:51 <igorko> it's already a half of 2011 behind , dude :)
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18:13:49 <igorko> this time popup ia awesome :)
18:14:48 <igorko> i will try to find another bugs before beta release ;)
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20:44:19 <flo> I'm not sure of which "time popup" igorko was talking about :-S
20:54:13 <clokep> Does AIO not email you when someone comments on extensions?
20:55:30 <clokep> flo: Does uploading addons not work right now? I vaguely remember you saying something about that. :-/
20:55:56 <flo> clokep: "Does AIO not email you when someone comments on extensions?" neither does AMO. That's why comments are often ignored by add-ons authors
20:56:04 <flo> does it work for you?
20:56:24 <clokep> flo: I've never had an extension on AMO that people commented on. :( So I didn't realize that's how it was...
20:57:03 <clokep> No, I can Choose the file and hit "Upload" and it spins and says uploading...then finishes and nothing happens.
20:57:13 <clokep> (And it doesn't show up in my list of versions.)
20:57:14 <flo> ok, then I'm not alone
20:57:25 <flo> and someone needs to bug Even about fixing that!
20:59:53 <clokep> :)
21:00:03 <instantbot> New Websites - Addons.instantbird.org bug 825 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
21:00:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=825 blo, --, ---, raynaudquentin, NEW, Unable to upload new versions of addons
21:01:10 <clokep> I marked that as blocking 0.3-final as I figure it's not good to not let people upload add-ons right as we release. ;) Feel free to change it if you disagree.
21:01:38 * clokep goes to find his todo list...
21:08:41 <flo> well, if I disagree, it would be to mark it blocking-beta instead ;)
21:10:38 <clokep> Haha. :) I'm fine w/ that too.
21:12:52 <flo> I don't even remember what I was trying to upload
21:12:59 <flo> most likely an add-on from the addons hg repository
21:13:04 <flo> maybe time bubbles
21:13:16 <flo> (which I don't want to upload any more)
21:13:30 <flo> or maybe noblistsounds (which I don't care about any more either :-D)
21:15:10 <clokep> I think it was Time Bubbles.
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21:24:33 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): do you use a mac
21:24:43 <clokep> I'm gonna start looking at that commands bug again, bah.
21:25:30 <DGMurdockIII> if we have minamize to tray on on windows we need something like it on mac
21:26:03 <DGMurdockIII> and the closest think i can think of it mac menu bar status item
21:26:36 <DGMurdockIII> like the the internet connection is dissplayed
21:27:15 <DGMurdockIII> i now mac is a lot easer to tackel than doing la linux solution
21:30:21 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: You can close the buddy list on Mac, isn't that essentially the expected UX on Mac?
21:30:28 <clokep> (And I think you can minimize on linux too?)
21:31:14 <DGMurdockIII> the dock is not what im talking about
21:32:44 <DGMurdockIII> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2473
21:34:45 <clokep> I don't think programs usually put stuff in there on mac though, but I don't use a Mac so I wouldn't really know.
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21:39:23 <flo> we should (someday) have an icon in the menu bar, displaying the status (online, away, ...). and allowing to change it easily.
21:39:41 <DGMurdockIII> ok
21:39:53 <flo> it's the equivalent of the systray icon on Windows, except it's *not* abused as a way to minimize windows (as windows can be closed without closing the application on Mac)
21:40:10 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/hrjyu/schneier_on_security_opensource_software_feels/
21:40:51 <flo> as the usefulness of that menubar icon is very limited, I won't go out of my way to implement it (a patch would be welcome of course).
21:41:54 <DGMurdockIII> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/cocoa/reference/ApplicationKit/Classes/NSStatusBar_Class/Reference/Reference.html
21:44:32 <DGMurdockIII> i think yu shold look in to seeing if you could get instantbird in the mac app stre
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21:48:16 <flo> DGMurdockIII: is Firefox in it?
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21:49:01 <Mic> Hi
21:49:28 <clokep> Hello Mic.
21:50:44 <Mic> I feel like bikeshedding, anyone interested?
21:50:45 <DGMurdockIII> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Support_Mac_App_Store
21:50:46 <Mic> scnr
21:51:45 <flo> Mic: so which color would you like to paint your bike shed in? :)
21:53:22 <DGMurdockIII> paint it purple ansd tan
21:53:25 <Mic> No, not so fast .. we haven't even decided what kind of roof tiles it should have!
21:53:44 <DGMurdockIII> tin roof
21:53:47 <clokep> But before you can get a bikeshed you have to get a bike....and that involves picking a color out too.
21:54:15 <flo> what about using it to store my AMI ?
21:54:23 <flo> it would need to be quite big then :-D
21:54:26 <Mic> And how many gears it should have, clokep!
21:54:26 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.tuvie.com/bike-2-0-next-generation-bicycle-with-chainless-transmission/
21:54:53 <clokep> Interesting.
21:56:04 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.livbit.com/article/2010/07/12/halo-the-next-generation-bicycle-lock-with-wi-fi-connection/
21:56:06 <Mic> "2.0" is so 2006 :P
21:57:30 <DGMurdockIII> you want this bick http://www.optibike.com/
21:57:37 <DGMurdockIII> bike*
21:57:58 <clokep> This is the bike I have: http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCProduct.jsp?spid=52874&scid=1001&scname=Road ;)
21:58:14 <flo> I'll be offline tomorrow morning, and probably most of the day. Someone good at mechanics and who loves these cars too invited me so that he can help me fix it :)
21:58:33 <clokep> Awesome. :) What work are you doing on it?
22:00:15 <flo> probably change most of the electical stuff under the hood, an incompetent mechanic (paid by the previous owner) made a complete mess of it
22:00:50 <clokep> Eek, that's the worst (trying to undo someone else's bad work.)
22:01:02 <flo> and try to find and plug the leaks, so that it consumes less memory... err, oil :)
22:01:20 <flo> isn't that like a review? ;)
22:02:01 <clokep> Kind of. :P
22:02:25 <Mic> Something unrelated: today I read an article about newly developped "sparking plugs" .. 
22:02:54 <Mic> .. forget about the sparks. They have lasers to do the job. 
22:02:54 <flo> he'll also teach me how to maintain it, what should be checked often, how, ...
22:03:08 <flo> not sure we will have time for all of that in a single day, but we will at least try :)
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22:07:14 <clokep> That sounds like a good time, enjoy it. :)
22:07:52 <flo> I bought another similar but very rusty AMI last week, and took all the removable parts home, before the owner scraps what remains of it
22:09:24 <flo> clokep: thanks! :)
22:09:46 <Mic> I hope you have a nice number of spare parts for your other car now:)
22:10:16 <flo> I'll need to buy a few more AMIs to use the spare parts ;)
22:10:54 <Mic> You can still sell them on eBay
22:11:54 <flo> I should wait a few decades before doing that, so that they become rare and expensive ;)
22:12:07 <flo> this is the car of last sunday.
22:13:21 <clokep> flo: Does it sound correct that "listCommands" isn't actually used anywhere in the code? http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=listCommands
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22:14:15 <flo> clokep: it's used by the "help" command
22:15:08 <clokep> Right, sorry. I meant outside of imCommands.js and the interface definition.
22:15:14 <clokep> I was surprised we weren't really using it.
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22:15:56 <flo> what would it be used for?
22:16:19 <flo> the only usecase I see would be for completion, which we don't support yet
22:16:24 <clokep> :shrugs: OK, Thanks.
22:22:52 <flo> clokep: are you taking bug 681?
22:22:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reduce the amount of data the twitter plugin logs into the Error Console
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22:26:26 <clokep> flo: I can if you'd like me to.
22:28:18 <flo> it seems there are a few bugs for which I'll be the only possible owner (bug 809, bug 780, maybe bug 693 too), so any help with any of the others will be appreciated :)
22:28:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=809 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle removing a tag from a buddy even when the server ignores our request
22:28:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Freeze while downloading buddy list
22:28:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Copy paste failures in conversation history
22:29:16 <clokep> OK. :) I'm hoping the commands stuff I just wrote is going to work. Then I can look at the logging stuff.
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22:37:49 <flo> Good evening/night
22:41:34 <DGMurdockIII> latr
22:41:48 <Mic> good night, too
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23:48:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 698 to bug 697.
23:48:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Commands no longer work in protocol overrides