#instantbird log on 06 02 2011

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00:34:36 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 683 to bug 680.
00:34:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 683 on bug 680.
00:34:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Localize Twitter code
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07:53:43 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 683 on bug 680.
07:53:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Localize Twitter code
07:53:49 <flo> we are almost there with bug 680 :)
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10:15:25 <clokep> If by "almost" you mean I forgot the jsProtoHElper stuff again, yes. Sorry. I realize it this morning. :( (I'm also not really sure what to change it to...)
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11:28:28 <Mic> Hi
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11:49:26 <clokep_work> Hello.
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12:15:31 <clokep_work> Windows 8 is pretty swanky looking.
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12:22:44 <deOmega> Good morning.  Has anyone else noticed that the status dot (Green, red) to the left of the user name  in the conversation  window is elongated?
12:31:12 <clokep_work> I haven't, this is Windows 7?
12:31:25 * clokep_work doesn't remember a bug being filed on that.
12:34:33 <deOmega> yes.. windows 7
12:34:37 <deOmega> ok will file one
12:38:13 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 822 filed by jahkae@gmail.com.
12:38:14 <instantbot> jahkae@gmail.com added attachment 684 to bug 822.
12:38:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Elongated status icon
12:38:25 <Mic> deOmega: now that you say it.. I've seen this, yes
12:38:55 <clokep_work> deOmega: Is that just with the small UI up top?
12:39:24 <instantbot> jahkae@gmail.com added attachment 685 to bug 822.
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12:39:42 <deOmega> see if that second image answers your question
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12:40:40 <Mic> Oh no.. I don't see this on an older nightly.. let's hope it's not another bug of 620 :S
12:41:24 <deOmega> happens when  it has  teh single or both.  however, when the window is opened far enough to have the avatar show..  it is properly sized then
12:41:39 <Mic> I'll figure out when it occured
12:42:56 <deOmega> you know, it has actually been that way a while i think.  sorry for not reporting earlier
12:43:18 <deOmega> I assumed itw as obvious enough ... so after no change after a while, i decided to ask
12:44:49 <clokep_work> (Totally unrelated, but I started on Vertical Tabs...it's going OK. :))
12:45:13 <clokep_work> Yeah...usually after a couple of days, just file it. :) Worst that happens is we resolve it INVALID or DUPLICATE. (Well search first! Or ask here!)
12:45:41 <Mic> phew .. not that it makes it any better but it's atleast in the nightly of May 31st, so no regression because of my new theme..
12:46:12 <instantbot> jahkae@gmail.com added attachment 686 to bug 822.
12:46:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Elongated status icon
12:46:42 <deOmega> clokep_work:  Awesome news for me to hear :)
12:46:43 <Mic> Nightly of May 26th is fine..
12:47:54 <deOmega> man, it has been for a while.  Mic, remember when you filed teh buig with the two dots, saying ugly?
12:48:02 <deOmega> no .. you ssaid they look bad
12:48:26 <Mic> The shape of the icon was fine back then
12:49:12 <deOmega> Okay
12:49:27 <Mic> It's on a visible spot and ugly .. I guess that makes it blocking-final?
12:50:03 <clokep_work> Mic: I would guess it's from http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dfcb5d529c7c ?
12:50:09 <clokep_work> Yes, blocking-final I think.
12:51:29 <Mic> Or http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ffab3491ce07 ? No idea ..
12:52:47 <clokep_work> Ah, yes. possibly.
12:52:53 <clokep_work> I'd back one out, but I'm not at home.
12:58:10 <Mic> Yes, regression happened between nightly of 26th and 27th of May
12:59:11 <deOmega> glad u found it :)
12:59:39 <deOmega> i see the  5  min timeline on th ebubbles theme.
13:00:51 <deOmega> (However, i do not like the bubbles theme )  :(
13:01:28 <deOmega> actually, maybe i woudl if it got rid of the  ugly pointers and had  idons 
13:02:06 <deOmega> *icons
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13:06:07 <clokep_work> deOmega: I hated the bubbles theme for a long time and then decided to use it to test on Time Bubbles...and I actually really like it now.
13:09:10 <deOmega> the pointers to me are pointing to no where and that bugs me  
13:09:36 <deOmega> one of the things that does about it
13:10:11 <Mic> I like the bubbles theme.. line breaks were so ugly on the simple theme.
13:10:17 <clokep_work> Fair enough. :) They're rather common in IM though that the "left" is "me" and the "right" is "you". ;) But anyway, that's why we have a theme system
13:11:47 <deOmega> Yeah,  I have noticed its popularity and could make the assumption regarding designation.  .  I am gonna head out but i have an  IB unrelated question if  anyone knows :(.
13:12:38 <deOmega> during teh work day i run about  30 something  windows of applications.
13:12:53 <deOmega> using windows 7
13:13:34 <deOmega> now, if i want to see something on my desktop... i click the desktop button on the taskbar.. and i get to teh desktop
13:13:50 <deOmega> problem is.. if i open something that is  on teh desktop...
13:14:31 <deOmega> clickiing on teh desktop icon again does not restore allteh windows and i have to click on each thing individually to bring them up.  nightmare.  
13:14:38 <deOmega> Anyone know of a workaround?
13:14:45 <deOmega> (Sorry for using IB space for this)
13:16:04 <clokep_work> I don't know of a workaround for that, Windows+D does the same thing. That's why I've always found that kind of useless.
13:16:09 <Mic> Ah, same problem with Windows+D
13:16:12 <Mic> (on Vista)
13:17:26 <deOmega> that is such a bummer.  Thanks for yoru input guys.   Havea fantastic day
13:18:15 <flo> deOmega: try Windows+shift+M
13:18:58 <clokep_work> That doesn't seem to do anything. ;)
13:19:52 <flo> clokep_work: IIRC on XP Windows+D was "show desktop", Windows+M was "minimize all windows" and "Windows+shift+M was "unminimize" or something like that
13:20:47 <flo> clokep_work: by the way, by "almost there", I meant the next iteration was likely to end up in the tree ;)
13:21:14 <clokep_work> flo: That works, but you have to click Windows+M first to do it.
13:21:26 <deOmega> ok, i will  try to  play with that  flo.  I am afraid to do it so early in the day.. because it really drives me up the wall having to bring back up all these windows.
13:21:30 <flo> just forget Windows+D then, which is useless
13:21:49 <clokep_work> Yeah, Windows+D Is "hide what I'm doing" :-D
13:21:58 <flo> no, Windows+M is
13:22:23 <deOmega> OK, i am  making notes.  Thanks a BUNCH.  If this works man, i would be so grateful.
13:22:30 <clokep_work> Good luck!
13:23:35 <deOmega> ha thanks.   Cool on vert Tabs clokep.  Looking forward to it for sure with patience.   later
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13:25:33 <flo> after all these recent regressions, I'll be scared to take any CSS change anymore :-D
13:28:45 <clokep_work> But, it's so shiny now! :)
13:32:00 <flo> + when I tried a nightly on 7, I saw several things that are wrong in the CSS of editable textboxes ;)
13:32:32 <flo> the CSS was designed so that when finishing the edit, the text doesn't move, only the frame and the background disappear
13:32:39 <flo> on Win7 the text moves :(
13:44:43 * clokep_work thinks we need a CSS guru.
13:45:42 <clokep_work> Speaking of CSS, can I pick your brain for a second flo? When I have something like this: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/tabbrowser-winstripe/tabbrowser.css#89 ...what is happening?
13:46:00 <clokep_work> I kind of understand each linear-gradient separately, but What is three separate background-image parts in a row? How does that work?
13:46:07 <clokep_work> Do they just go after each other?
13:46:21 <flo> they are above each other
13:46:25 <flo> stacked
13:47:59 <flo> clokep_work: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/Multiple_backgrounds
13:48:45 <clokep_work> Ah, interesting.
13:48:58 <clokep_work> And they must be stacked vertically I assume? :)
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13:50:39 <Mic> clokep_work: what do you mean by "stacked vertically"?
13:50:43 <flo> I can somehow reproduce bug 822 on my XP VM, but there the height is only 1px more than the width (on the attached screenshot it's 3). 1px is probably small enough to explain why I haven't noticed it.
13:50:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Elongated status icon
13:53:19 <clokep_work> Mic: It says "These are layered atop one another" as opposed to "next to one another"
13:53:25 <clokep_work> Vertical vs. horizontal stacking.
13:54:05 <flo> clokep_work: sorry, but that doesn't really make sense
13:54:22 <Mic> I meant all of your comment actually .. "And they must be stacked vertically I assume? :)"
13:54:23 <flo> they are stacked, one above the other. They all take the full area
13:55:37 <flo> I noticed some shutdown errors on my Linux debug build yesterday, I'll try to investigate. If they could be responsible for bug 783, that would simplify things :)
13:55:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, User icon lost after a restart on some accounts (ICQ/AIM?).
13:55:57 <clokep_work> flo: Right, I'm asking if they can take the full area but be placed from left to right, instead of from top to bottom. (Sorry if that's not making sense.)
13:56:32 <clokep_work> Mic: Ah, well (Perhaps not the exact line I linked to), but some of the lines merge the background of the tab to the content area below it I assume, so I might want to flip the gradient when I flip the tabs.
13:56:33 <flo> they are neither left to right nor top to bottom.
13:56:36 <clokep_work> I need to see how it looks.
13:56:53 <clokep_work> flo: Oh, you mean they're stacked on the "z-axis"?
13:56:58 <flo> by default they all take 100% of the area
13:57:11 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. Sorry for my confusion then. :)
13:57:13 <flo> clokep_work: yes, stacks have always been on the z-axis
13:57:27 <clokep_work> I didn't realize this was using the term "stack" in a technical sense.
13:57:33 <flo> you can play with background-repeat and background-position if you want some of the background to take only some portion of the area
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13:58:46 <clokep_work> Thanks flo. :) Just need to figure out how to rotate a border image now. (I think the answer is, copy the image and rotate it. :P)
13:59:10 <flo> -moz-transform?
13:59:11 <Mic> Maybe you can use -moz-transform: rotate 
13:59:30 <clokep_work> That rotates the element, I need to rotate just the image.
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13:59:38 <clokep_work> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/tabbrowser-winstripe/tabbrowser.css#129
13:59:44 <EarlyBird> Hi
13:59:59 <Mic> Hi EarlyBird
14:00:01 <clokep_work> tabbrowser/tab.png needs to be rotated, not the tab itself. :-/ I don't think you can apply a transform inside of another CSS call, no?
14:00:03 <clokep_work> Hello. :)
14:00:10 <Mic> /FeuerFliege
14:00:17 <EarlyBird> i have a problem building Instantbird for Windows.
14:00:19 <Mic> (judging from your hostname;)
14:00:42 <EarlyBird> It always quits with Error C3163 '_vsnprintf': attributes inconsistent with previous declaration
14:00:50 <EarlyBird> Mic: jo
14:01:19 <flo> EarlyBird: could you please pastebin a larger error log?
14:03:34 <Mic> Is bug 822 an "All" or only a "Windows (All)" bug?
14:03:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Elongated status icon
14:04:44 <flo> Mic: all :). It's off by 1px on Mac too :)
14:04:50 <flo> will make it far easier to debug
14:15:21 <Mic> bye
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14:16:02 <flo> hmm, how come there an horizontal scrollbar on the empty account manager (seeing this on Linux)
14:20:28 <clokep_work> Eek that's not good. :(
14:20:59 <clokep_work> EarlyBird: Not sure exactly your problem, but I (recently) wrote a blog post about how I set up Windows to compile Instantbird, might be helpful: http://clokep.blogspot.com/2011/05/compilling-instantbird.html
14:21:36 <clokep_work> Of course not all those requirements are exact, etc. and we can probably figure it out if you have different versions of stuff installed, etc. :)
14:21:54 <flo> the errors on shutdown look very related to the icon issue
14:25:13 <flo> clokep_work: do you remember if the errors you had in some useless prpl was related to _vsnprintf?
14:25:44 <clokep_work> flo: The error I had was qq I believe, it might have been that.
14:26:53 <clokep_work> It might have been that.
14:27:17 <clokep_work> Bah the indexing of our logs is so bad. :(
14:27:38 <flo> we should lxr them ;)
14:28:06 <clokep_work> Hahah, honestly it would give us most of the same features. :)
14:28:35 <flo> except the index would be up to date :)
14:28:56 * flo has just found another icon-related bug that's most likely a blocker
14:29:08 <flo> (but easy to fix :))
14:30:34 <flo> I should try more often empty profiles
14:45:48 <clokep_work> Easy to fix is good. :) I think we rarely use new profiles. :( Which is bad.
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14:49:41 <flo> I can confirm that animated GIF images work on AIM :-D
14:49:51 <flo> I just set one, and it's animated in the tooltip on the other side
14:49:57 <clokep_work> :)
14:51:09 <clokep_work> I don't think we had a bug about that though...
14:51:24 <flo> just dgmurdockIII trying and failing at it ;)
14:51:58 <clokep_work> The black backgrounds on the pngs is really bad though. :-/
14:52:16 <flo> is it black or the PNG color?
14:52:38 <flo> there's a color+an alpha channel
14:53:02 <clokep_work> Hmm...I think the alpha channel is just discarded leaving it as black?
14:53:20 <flo> so then it was a black image before adding transparency on it
14:53:52 <clokep_work> I'm not sure, who made the Instantbird icons? :P
14:54:06 <flo> Inkscape most likely
14:54:53 <clokep_work> OK, that's not something we should worry about then obviously! :)
14:58:20 <flo> I would really like to close that bug today :-S
15:00:43 <clokep_work> The buddy icon one?
15:00:49 <flo> yes
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15:12:50 <clokep_work> Guess he must not like Instantbird /that/ much if he's using Miranda. ;)
15:16:56 <Mic> A.. png problems
15:18:08 <Mic> Afaik png is storing both the color of a pixel and its transparency and if transparency is not support the color is displayed as fully opaque
15:18:28 <clokep_work> Yeah, that's what flo explained to me earlier. :)
15:18:36 <Mic> ie you can have different colors which are fully transparent and if you remove transparency you get the underlying color
15:18:45 <Mic> I think this is called 'non premultiplied' or something
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15:30:48 <flo> hmm, so the icon is lost after the second restart
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15:47:32 <flo> found it!
15:47:35 <flo> it's a race condition in libpurple
15:47:53 <flo> when it receives an icon from the server, it saves it in the icon cache folder, and then it removes the old icon file.
15:48:07 <flo> the filename is a hash of the icon data.
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15:48:29 <flo> when the icon received from the server is the same as the local icon, it saves the new (identical to the old one) file, and then removes it.
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15:48:52 <clokep_work> That's silly. :(
15:50:46 <flo> hmm, there's something wrong in that explanation, the icons are supposed to be refcounted
16:19:41 <flo> ok, I have a fix :)
16:24:08 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 687 to bug 783.
16:24:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, User icon lost after a restart on some accounts (ICQ/AIM?).
16:27:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 783 to FIXED.
16:27:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783 nor, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, User icon lost after a restart on some accounts (ICQ/AIM?).
16:28:43 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a0dbff0be100 - Florian Quèze - Bug 783 - User icons sometimes lost after a reconnecting the account.
16:30:06 <clokep_work> :) Finished your goal.
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16:31:48 <deOmega> if i did not tell you guys how much i appreciate the twitter avatar  thing.  THANK you again.  Makes keeping up so much easier.
16:33:37 <deOmega> suggestion for thought
16:34:39 <deOmega> forget that.. been trying to figure out  how you guys gonna resolve the double dots lol.. but  i cannot come up with a decent suggestion.
16:36:19 <clokep_work> "double dots" The dot for the first tab being next to the conversation one? Yeah, I'm not sure. :-/
16:36:44 <clokep_work> You could....not show the dot for the tab you're on. ;) But then the tabs aren't all the same.
16:37:17 <deOmega> If you do not have the tabs, you need it on that row with the name.. if you  have tabs, you do not need it on that  row.   However, if you expand to get the avatar, you donot need it then
16:38:16 <flo> we could hide the icon of selected tabs to free up more space for its name
16:38:23 <flo> but that may be confusing
16:38:52 <clokep_work> And I think (as deOmega just said), if the window is small then you're not told the status of that user.
16:40:03 <deOmega> i am gonan differentiate the  two   of them by referring to one as  elongated and the other regular.
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16:40:33 <deOmega> How difficult is it... to say  that if no tabs.. then it shows up where it is elongated.. but if tabs.. it does not show up?
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16:40:44 <clokep_work> We can all just use vertical tabs and then they'll never appear next to each other. :)
16:40:56 <deOmega> hahahaa
16:42:08 <flo> if you really just want them to never appear next to each other, we can also separate the tabbar from the conversation with a big blinking ads banner :-P
16:42:30 <deOmega> haha
16:43:41 <deOmega> I see no real reason to have it when fully expanded  to where one could see the  avatar either.  I would think  it being on the tab is good enough.
16:43:49 <clokep_work> Eek, we're almost at the point of "clokep you're blocking the beta!" https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=0.3-blocking-beta
16:43:49 <deOmega> having two just looks so busy
16:47:26 <flo> clokep_work: I think I really want bug 792, and maybe bug 743 too.
16:47:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need empty text for topics
16:47:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Larger and more discoverable drop targets for merging buddies into contacts
16:48:11 <flo> the idea would be to string freeze tomorrow for 0.3 (both beta and final, but not the website, which isn't ready yet to be translated).
16:48:34 <clokep_work> String freeze is waiting for me?
16:48:47 <flo> no.
16:48:47 <clokep_work> Or also maybe those two bugs I guess.
16:49:06 <flo> I'll steal all the blocking bugs at some point if they aren't resolved yet ;)
16:49:21 <flo> but I'd rather not have to do that of course :)
16:49:24 <clokep_work> OK. :)
16:49:38 <clokep_work> I read the comments for Twitter, I'll have another patch tonight (which is hopefully the last)
16:50:11 <flo> I'm not sure what's the minimum amount of time we can give translators to react for the beta
16:51:01 <flo> I would like to release the beta monday evening, but if it's not possible, I'll have to wait ^^
16:51:44 <flo> anyway, I'll be away from the computer (and Internet) for a few hours. Going to the car museum. :)
16:52:33 <clokep_work> Enjoy!
17:20:40 <deOmega> man, IB has really come a long way.  I remember the ways i had to search logs. lol.  really amazing.   We should  have images of the evolution of the  program  :)
17:22:46 <clokep_work> flo wanted one of the "fake" conversation we use in screenshots for every nightly. :P
17:24:06 <deOmega> Not sure i know  what that means lol
17:24:24 <deOmega> fake conversation images i understand
17:24:51 <clokep_work> Download every nightly, create the same conversation for each (so the contents are the same) then take a screenshot of them and make a movie.
17:25:14 <deOmega> ah!!!   
17:26:12 <deOmega> So the conversation  remains teh same, but the container changes :)...  sounds nice to me
17:27:12 <clokep_work> Yes, exactly.
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17:36:05 <DGMurdockIII> are you guys ever going to make use of the features in the windows 7 taskbar?
17:37:23 <DGMurdockIII> if so here is the page with info on it all http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ee624070.aspx
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17:39:21 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: You mean like jump lists, which were checked in last week?
17:39:53 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
17:39:59 <clokep_work> And we're not going to use stuff unless there's a good reason to (and someone implements it :P).
17:42:08 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
17:42:19 <DGMurdockIII> i agree
17:42:44 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/15/windows-7-superbar-overview
17:43:00 <DGMurdockIII> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ee624070.aspx
17:43:03 <clokep_work> I'd like for the current status to be shown as an overlay in the taskbar, but besides that I'm not sure what else is actually useful.
17:43:17 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
17:43:30 <clokep_work> Most of that stuff isn't very helpful to us as Mozilla has it built into the toolkit, so it makes a lot more sense for us to use their APIs than from starting from scratch.
17:44:40 <DGMurdockIII> Tab Thumbnails
17:45:40 <clokep_work> We have a bug about that somewhere, I don't think anyone really decided on what should be shown though. :)
17:48:57 <DGMurdockIII> i see the jump list looks good so far
17:53:09 <clokep_work> :) I think bug 776 is actually a better way to do the changing of statuses (and apparently how MSN and Skype do it).
17:53:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow users to set status (availability) from aero peek
17:53:19 <clokep_work> Bug 696 is what you were asking about DGMurdockIII (the previews)
17:53:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Window/tab preview through taskbar on Windows Vista and Windows 7 (Aero Peek)
17:55:14 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.com/z0Xs8JQ2
17:55:20 <DGMurdockIII> bug i get
17:56:43 <clokep_work> I think flo knows what's up with that, but I'm not sure.
18:00:24 <clokep_work> I've gotten a similar one a couple of times.
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19:06:17 <Mic> Maybe we can create a nice module for the aero peek buttons like we did for the jumplist once 0.3 is done (that's related to bug 776), something that let's us just specify the window, the urls to the button images and callbacks for the connected actions. Something that hides all the ugliness there .. (I had created working status buttons a few weeks ago already and the code just sucked)
19:06:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow users to set status (availability) from aero peek
19:07:29 <clokep_work> Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
19:07:50 <clokep_work> :)
19:15:10 * clokep_work likes that we make JS APIs on top of the Mozilla XPCOM APIs. :P
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20:28:35 <flo> the error DGMurdockIII pastebined is caused by the bug I fixed today.
20:29:05 <DGMurdockIII> iv had the bug for a while
20:30:39 <clokep_work> Ah, but you won't anymore! :)
20:33:34 <flo> it will fix itself after 2 restart using a new nightly
20:34:06 <flo> the first restart will delete the remains of the lost icon in the preference
20:34:18 <flo> and the second restart will reset the icon correctly
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20:59:46 <clokep_work> Be back later for that Twitter bug!
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21:10:20 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 688 to bug 819.
21:10:22 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 688 on bug 819.
21:10:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819 tri, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Triple border at the bottom of the account list in the account manager
21:11:43 <DGMurdockIII> ok
21:13:40 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): still get the error
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21:14:21 <flo> DGMurdockIII: you haven't used tomorrow's nightly...
21:14:36 <DGMurdockIII> oh ok
21:14:55 <DGMurdockIII> thougt it was allready out
21:18:33 <flo> Good evening
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23:14:38 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/hpuk7/skype_protocol_reverse_engineered_source/
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