#instantbird log on 05 28 2011

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03:04:32 <Mook> hmm. I wonder if xmpp4moz would be relevant for the GSoC project.
03:04:54 <Mook> possibly not, since IIRC the last time I looked at it I didn't like it much, though I don't remember why...
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04:29:05 <Just> can someone answer a question about css for me
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12:45:38 <Mic> Hi
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12:54:32 <Mic> Can someone in the Instantbird groups on Facebook redirect requests and questions to the mailing list.. I really don't want to answer on Facebook.
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13:13:29 <flo> hello :)
13:17:14 <Mic> Hi flo
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13:30:44 <flo> I have 2 white lines in my contact list. 2 sign-off animations that failed to start :(
13:30:51 <clokep> :'(
13:33:43 <clokep> Mic: We have a Facebook Instantbird group?
13:34:16 <clokep> Mook: xmpp4moz is 1. Is MPL not GPL, 2. The code sucks, 3. The guy who makes it wasn't very friendly I think.
13:34:25 <clokep> (Also I don't think it's as extensible as we want it to be.)
13:34:45 <flo> clokep: xmpp4moz is GPL.
13:35:18 <flo> and I disagree on 3.
13:35:45 <flo> I've talked face to face with him for other an hour. We have very divergent views on IM, but he *is* friendly.
13:35:53 <flo> *over
13:39:47 <clokep> flo: Ah OK. I think I've only observed his interactions with other people. :)
13:39:51 <clokep> But maybe that's what it was.
13:40:27 <clokep> Anyway, I just remember it not seeming like it'd be very helpful when I checked out the code (besides the license issues). :)
13:45:58 <clokep> That email we got was nice. :) I like hearing that people like our stuff.
13:49:57 <flo> the one from yesterday, or was there a new one?
13:50:12 <flo> I think nobody has replied to the email from the blind user that we received this week
13:56:57 <clokep> The one from yesterday.
13:57:34 <clokep> I don't remember receiving that one, need to check my spam filter. :-/
13:57:40 <flo> ah, I have a third while line. Maybe by the end of the day I'll have a dozen of them :)
13:58:05 <flo> clokep: the subject was "Thanks, this seems like a great program!"
13:58:20 <flo> 5 days ago (Monday)
13:58:44 <clokep> Ah, yeah. I mus thave missed it.
13:58:49 <flo> by the way, I especially like when what they appreciate is the simplicity of the UI / the lack of bloat.
13:59:03 <flo> :)
14:03:19 <clokep> When we're adding more to the UI? ;)
14:03:44 <flo> we haven't added tons of crap ;)
14:06:51 <clokep> Yeah, no I think it's fine.
14:06:59 <clokep> Just made me chuckle a little. :)
14:09:07 <flo> it's still possible to resize the window to hide the useless bars ;)
14:13:36 <clokep> True. :) Easily too according to deOmega. :)
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14:20:39 <flo> and now there are 4 white lines :-S
14:21:02 <flo> has something landed recently that could have regressed it?
14:21:51 <clokep> You mean in Moz or Ib?
14:22:09 <flo> in moz2
14:22:30 <flo> 5 now :-D
14:23:04 <flo> nothing has landed there recently though :-S
14:23:55 * clokep thinks we should match Gecko version #s. ;)
14:24:10 <clokep> We shold match Gecko versions #s multiplied by libpurple version numbers! :P
14:24:10 <flo> you mean release instantbird 4?
14:24:35 <clokep> Yes, but I'm mostly teasing.
14:24:43 <clokep> I liked deOmega's idea actually of 0.9 maybe?
14:24:56 <flo> I don't :).
14:25:42 <flo> if this one isn't worth 1.0, the next ones won't either. And we will be stuck with 0.9.* for a while :-D
14:26:03 <clokep> Oh, I don't wnat to be one of those progrems.
14:26:08 <clokep> :cough:chatzilla:cough:
14:26:14 <clokep> or whatever. :P
14:26:16 <clokep> That rounds to 1!
14:26:19 <flo> oh man...
14:26:47 <flo> or did they start at one and removed a little something at each release?
14:27:27 <clokep> Hahahah.
14:27:39 <clokep> They just dropped support for Firefox 1.0 or something I think.
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14:28:42 <clokep> Oh hey flo, Mathnerd(?:\d)+ was asking me why my blog isn't syndicated on p.m.o (or p.moz.messaging), I wasn't sure it was even really applicable or whatever so I said I'd ask you and never did?
14:28:53 <clokep> (There's a question in there somewhere, I promise. :))
14:29:43 <flo> (?:\d) <-- is this because you don't remember the number he used?
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14:30:15 <flo> if you want it to be added to planet mozilla, you just need to file a bug on BMO
14:30:50 <flo> and I don't know what they reaction would be :)
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14:34:33 <clokep> Yes that's cause Idk the numbers.
14:34:45 <clokep> Ah, OK. I had absolutely no idea so I thought you might have a little more of an idea. :)
14:35:04 <clokep> Very few people know me I think so.....
14:35:05 <clokep> Yeah
14:35:54 <flo> 314, Pi. He's a math nerd! :-P
14:39:09 <Mic> "I have 2 white lines in my contact list. 2 sign-off animations that failed to start :(" this is happening quite often to me lately
14:42:34 <flo> only 3 left (the other 2 contacts are back online :-D)
14:50:37 <Mic> Are the white spaces 'interactive' for you? I found I can use the like normal contacts (open/close the buddy list of them iirc) and starting conversations works as well..
14:50:48 <Mic> *use them
14:51:20 <flo> the tooltips work
14:51:47 <flo> yes, all the UI works, it's just invisible
14:52:23 <flo> (and that's probably another bug in itself)
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15:34:49 <deOmega> Good day.  :).. what re-size window i said was easy?
15:35:24 <deOmega> For the record.. for me.. doing anything on IB is easy.. since i have no idea how to do any of em. :)
15:38:55 <deOmega> mic:  I know i keep asking you about the colors
15:39:10 <deOmega> I like the last image you posted :  http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9678/ibnewlightbackground.png
15:40:15 <deOmega> I like that you changed the  color of the tab... but regarding color..  I am going to assume it would pink in teh case of hello Kitty.  ?
15:41:39 <deOmega> I also like that you softened the  background  the white background.  I personally find that the white on windows default can be quite harsh after a while.. so I usually set  my white on windows default color to be a shade darker
15:43:41 <deOmega> But just the effort there makes it look like it is not some simple messaging box.  I can  go on and on, but i really like what you are doing.  Still trying  to get used to the pad behind the tab.
15:44:59 <deOmega> flo:  I see your point regarding version 1.  
15:46:46 <deOmega> If you need help with a writeup, just toss me the information scrambled, and I would spend some time putting it together, since you guys may not have much time for  such things.
15:50:19 <Mic> re
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15:51:37 <Mic> No, the tab color is always the same. Like on Firefox (that's where I copied the style from)
15:52:42 <Mic> Which 'white background' were you talking about btw?
15:53:27 <Mic> (It could be that I had a broken Bubble-theme on the other screenshots before, so the background was white instead of the normal grey-to-white color gradient)
15:55:11 <Mic> hmm, indeed. The conversation background is grey.. maybe I had messed with the theme again. I was trying some stuff there..
16:05:37 <deOmega> ah ok.   Thanks Mic
16:06:16 <deOmega> the tab color was white before.. now it is blue in the shot fromyesterday
16:07:16 <deOmega> Blue matching the color behind it
16:07:22 <deOmega> pad color
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16:16:50 <Mic> Ah, yes. It's the  Firefox color then. 'Babyblue' as you called it? ;)
16:17:33 <deOmega> Oh no.  LOL
16:17:46 <deOmega> The pain 
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16:20:25 <clokep> I don't show offline contacts. :-/
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17:01:22 <Mic> File a bug report :)
17:16:32 <deOmega> have a great weekend  all.  
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17:27:56 <deOmega> I think you guys may have discussed this before.. but thought I would post it (yeah from 2008, but)  ..  http://lifehacker.com/397487/set-your-chat-privacy-on-a-schedule
17:30:22 <deOmega> And wondering how well this would work with IB.  http://lifehacker.com/5719631/get-better-privacy-and-less-chat-annoyance-with-facebook-lists.  Thanks.  .  
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17:51:29 <deOmega> Regarding the second one.. i  setup the group to show for facebook... and it works on the website, but  not on IB.  Everyone show up on IB
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20:08:29 <igorko> guys- i think in 0.3 must be included smiles bar
20:08:45 <igorko> app sucks without it
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20:39:19 <Mic> igorko: work on such a thing hasn't even started yet and it certainly won't before 0.3
20:40:40 <Mic> You can search Bugzilla for "whiteboard:0.3" (leave the double quotes away) and check the bugs that will be/might fixed before the release
20:42:02 <Mic> Anything else won't make it .. the bugs flagged as "0.3-nice-to-have", the lowest priority, were already postponed until after the release
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20:50:34 <Mic> igorko1: I answered your smiley-bar question, you can find it on the logs if you missed it
20:51:08 <igorko1> i saw it- thanks
20:55:25 <flo> Mic: In fact (even though it's not rewritten in the bug), it's part of bug 634 which is wanted-beta. (if I add a toolbar for the "B" "I" "U" icons, I'll fill the remaining space in it with emoticons :-]
20:55:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Richtext formatting for outgoing messages
20:55:29 <flo> -re
20:55:58 <Mic> Ah, that's included there? Fine with me :)
20:56:25 <flo> only in the plan I have in my head :-D.
20:57:56 <flo> and it's one of the bug that go in the categories: "It's too late to start working on this for 0.3" "I feel really bad about not having this for this major release" "wait, maybe I could hack something in an evening?" :-D
21:01:10 <flo> I know in the past some people have said (about 0.2) "it doesn't even support emoticon" (those people have probably never noticed in their current IM client that they can type the emoticon code to have it faster than by clicking...)
21:02:08 <Mic> I was thinking to create a buzz-addon for the poor guy who was missing this feature
21:02:40 <Mic> I thought I could add an icon similiar to irc-voiced-icon next to the buddy-chooser
21:02:55 <Mic> If it's ok to use the toolbar as such ;)
21:03:28 <flo> I'm afraid you will have a hard time doing that :-/
21:03:38 <flo> (for the CSS, so that it works in both sizes of the toolbar)
21:03:44 <Mic> I haven't looked at it yet
21:05:14 <Mic> It's neither important nor urgent so that's no real problem ;)
21:05:35 <Mic> I'll rather try to get the Glass patch done  tonight
21:06:20 <Mic> I'll create *-aero.css files for each of those files (similiar to how it's done with tabbrowser.css)
21:08:16 <Mic> On bug 803: do the icon have wrong sizes on Windows only or do you see that on Mac as well?
21:08:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
21:09:52 <Mic> bbl
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21:14:15 <flo> Mic: I think it's windows aero (it's been confirmed on both Vista and 7) only. I can reproduce neither on Mac nor on Windows XP, and the icons are not shown at all on the GTK theme of my ubuntu.
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23:44:18 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 806 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
23:44:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove workaround for Mozilla Bug 392188?
23:50:44 <Mic> flo: are you still around?