#instantbird log on 05 26 2011

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00:05:30 <clokep> EionRobb: Mozilla can't tell the difference between different instances of a running app and they all get grouped together in the taskbar, so we can't separate out into separate instances yet. :(
00:06:00 <clokep> (And to run two instances use the flags: "-P <profile name> -no-remote" if you need to btw.)
00:06:22 <clokep> We'd eventually like to put in "most contacted contacts" etc. so we'd need it separate for multiple instances.
00:06:38 <clokep> Right now the jump list code always ends up calling the "main" instance (the non -no-remote instance).
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00:08:46 <EionRobb> is it just that mozilla doesn't expose the winapi functions for splitting the taskbar icons, or could you write your own code to handle this?
00:09:28 <clokep> I think right now it runs all instances of a Mozilla app with the same app ID? So Windows thinks they're all the same.
00:09:29 <EionRobb> I've had requests for making the pidgin-win7 plugin use the 'most recent' list as the most recently used custom statuses
00:09:59 <EionRobb> yeah, you normally have to explicitly set the app id if you want it to appear separately
00:10:04 <clokep> Generally we don't really cater to running multiple instances though and we don't go out of our way to fix breakage for that situation.
00:10:11 <EionRobb> ok
00:10:16 <clokep> Do a lot of people run multiple pidgin instances?
00:10:19 <EionRobb> pidgin follows the same idea
00:10:28 <EionRobb> few people do
00:10:29 <clokep> Yup.
00:10:44 <clokep> Honestly it breaks developers the most probably. :) Since we'll be running a "real" and a "dev" version.
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00:12:01 <EionRobb> you run a 'real' and 'dev' version simultaneously
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00:12:16 <clokep> Whenever I'm developing, yup.
00:13:08 <clokep> Allows my friends to not get pissed at me for signing on and off so much. ;)
00:13:35 <clokep> We might want to do this for message styles? Smilies? http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2011/05/Creating-custom-add-on-types-just-got-easier
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02:43:29 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 803 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
02:43:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 656 to bug 803.
02:43:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
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07:58:18 <flo> Good morning :)
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08:36:42 <Mic> Good morning
08:37:00 <Mic> flo, do you want bug reports about the conversation top ui?
08:37:09 <Mic> Or should I wait until you rewrote it?
08:37:17 <flo> I'm currently attempting to rewrite it
08:37:48 <flo> if I don't add the tooltip for the alltargets button today, I think I/we will file a bug for it :)
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08:38:07 <Mic> Anyways, the protocol icon inside the menu is missized
08:38:17 <flo> that's what clokep filed
08:38:33 <Mic> Will you change something on the look of it?
08:39:00 <flo> it's probably just a missing -moz-stack-sizing line in the css
08:39:56 <flo> I've put a [0.3-blocking-final] in the whiteboard of bug 803 so that I don't forget :)
08:39:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
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08:43:33 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 804 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
08:43:35 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 657 to bug 804.
08:43:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=804 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Too many bubbles on MUC UI
08:48:32 <Mic> clokep: I was thinking the same when reading mossop's blog posting.
08:49:44 <flo> bug 804 is IRC specific, isn't it?
08:49:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=804 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Too many bubbles on MUC UI
08:50:49 * Mic is going to change a bug summary ;)
08:51:06 <flo> want to make it "the current IRC icon sucks"?
08:52:37 <Mic> I don't think it sucks in general
08:58:13 <waynenguyen> I don't receive any authorization request when my friend add my YM account. Hmm is that a bug?
08:58:29 <waynenguyen> *adds
09:21:36 <Mic> No idea, I don't use it
09:25:16 <waynenguyen> Thanks.
09:26:33 <Mic> flo: am I right that it should change the target buddy if I open a conversation with a contact and the buddy I talk to disconnects and another buddy on the contact is still available?
09:28:19 <Mic> This doesn't work for me at least with an ICQ + Yahoo Messenger buddy grouped into one contact
09:28:43 <flo> it's never been implemented
09:29:02 <Mic> Ah! Then neverming ;)
09:29:27 <flo> it seems easy, but there are complicated implementation details
09:30:15 <flo> especially, if you suppose that all the buddies of the contact are connected from the same multiprotocol client, and that person's network connection drop, and a minutes later the connection gets back and all the buddies reconnect
09:30:28 <flo> how many target changes should we have in this case? (my answer is: 0)
09:31:28 <flo> if we pick the most available target each time the current one gets offline, we will change the target each time an account timeouts, and then each time an account reconnects (-> probably about a dozen target changes)
09:32:14 <Mic> waynenguyen: I'll let you know if there's an authorization request soon
09:32:32 <flo> found the bug!
09:32:33 <Mic> Yahoo is spamming my error console with warnings by the way
09:32:36 <flo> Mic: bug 742
09:32:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Change conversation target automatically when buddies' availability changes
09:32:50 <Mic> Ah, thanks :)
09:52:49 <waynenguyen> I've just added an WLM account, no authorization request either :(
09:54:52 <Mic> I haven't received anything either yet
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09:58:42 <Mic> flo, a question about bug 379: is this a protocol specific problem (i.e. are we're already doing something to set newly connected accounts to the selected status and it fails on some) or a general problem (i.e. just happens with any protocol)
09:58:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, When connecting an account, set its status to the general status
10:02:57 <Mic> (I've seen this on the Yahoo network today and wonder if it needs reporting)
10:03:01 <flo> I think it's an issue in some libpurple protocol plugins
10:03:15 <flo> but we could work around it for all protocols "just to be sure"
10:03:55 <flo> it may also be a good idea to check what pidgin does (if it shares the same bug, if it has a workaround, etc...)
10:04:16 <flo> if Pidgin shares the same bug, the solution may be to patch libpurple's core rather than adding a work around in our code
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10:13:10 <Mic> waynenguyen: how's your project going by the way?
10:15:13 <clokep> re: Bug 742...one of my friends swore to me that it was changing targets automatically btw. :P I told him he was wrong.
10:15:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Change conversation target automatically when buddies' availability changes
10:17:44 <flo> clokep: it changes automatically if the other person is talking from a different "target"
10:17:58 <Mic> Maybe we should wait for a while until switching or at least as long as possible (e.g. local user starts typing -> we need to update the target no matter what)
10:18:15 <flo> that's what I wrote in the bug
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10:19:15 <Mic> Ok, I hadn't read that yet
10:19:17 <clokep> flo: Right, which is why he switched, but he thinks it was because I went offline and signed in on a different account. :)
10:19:31 <flo> ahah :)
10:20:58 <Mic> If we can modify the chat history one day we could "cancel out" sign-ons and -offs later and only display the latest choice
10:22:16 <Mic> or maybe not the history but only the displayed message
10:30:28 <clokep> If we just assume everyone else's buddies are on Instantbird then we can switch networks as much as we want and it won't matter. :)
10:30:51 <flo> it would be a good idea to switch before each message
10:31:02 <flo> so that no service provider can get the whole conversation :-P
10:35:34 <clokep> Hahah, security feature, eh?
10:35:41 <flo> privacy :)
10:36:15 <flo> as a bonus, to further obfuscate the conversation, the messages would not arrive in the same order as they were sent, because of the different protocol latencies :)
10:38:40 <clokep> Hahah.
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11:34:48 <Mic> There's no way to let the error console output be written to disk automatically, is it?
11:35:17 <Mic> I just cleared my console again with some errors I'd like to have checked before :S 
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12:00:18 <flo> Mic: It may be easy to create an add-on for that ;)
12:07:25 <clokep_work> I think after 0.3 is released I'm going to work on the "do not disturb" mode so I can use Instantbird at work. :P
12:07:40 <flo> :)
12:08:26 <flo> after 0.3 I think I'll rewrite the purpleAccountBase/purpleAccounsService thing so that I can understand it :)
12:09:01 <flo> and i would like to be able to close/reopen conversations without leaving them (especially for IRC channels)
12:09:19 <flo> so that in addition to closing the buddy list, I can close the conversation window :)
12:10:39 <clokep_work> Psh why even run the program? ;)
12:10:51 <flo> to see growl notifications ;)
12:10:55 <clokep_work> But anyway, no reason to talk about after 0.3 until it's released! :P
12:11:23 <flo> last time the js-proto branch started a long time before the 0.2 release ;)
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12:14:37 <clokep_work> True. :)
12:14:48 <clokep_work> I unfortunately didn't get around to finishing the Jump Lists stuff last night. :(
12:26:48 <clokep_work> Mic: All your 0.3-* WB searches need to be updated I think.
12:27:32 <flo> I'm currently using: ib sw:0.3 sw:beta
12:27:41 <flo> with ib a keyword for the quicksearch field
12:29:41 <clokep_work> Right, but the searches at the bottom are useful if I'm on BIO already. :)
12:31:10 <clokep_work> Or at the very least, they shouldn't be shared if they don't work. :-D
12:41:14 <flo> yeah... It was just an indication of what I use as a query (and so of what could be used to fix the shared searches)
12:43:52 <clokep_work> Ah, gotcha. :)
12:43:53 <clokep_work> My bad.
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13:06:43 <flo> clokep_work: by the way, why have you set the OS field to "All" on bug 803?
13:06:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
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14:15:35 <clokep_work> flo: I think that's just my default settings template? :-/
14:19:32 <clokep_work> Aka I probably just changed it without thinking about the bug I was filing? :-D
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14:45:21 <sathi> Is there any instabird addon for firefox??
14:45:59 <clokep_work> sathi: Instantbird is a separate program
14:46:31 <sathi> means its not a web based application??
14:46:51 <clokep_work> No, it's a desktop program.
14:48:02 <sathi> clokep_work : How difficult it is to build an web base app 
14:49:39 <clokep_work> sathi: It depends on the application, but that's not our goal. What are you trying to find? A website that will let you log in and IM from it?
14:50:23 <sathi> @clokep_work : I am planning to develop an web based IM clinet, like Meebo
14:50:48 <clokep_work> OK.
14:51:25 <clokep_work> What is your question then? :)
14:52:12 <sathi> @clokep_work: I want to develop with libpurple
14:52:25 <sathi> is it good choice?
14:52:29 <clokep_work> sathi: OK, have you checked out the libpurple information stuff on pidgin.im?
14:52:39 <clokep_work> sathi: Is there really another choice? ;)
14:52:51 <clokep_work> I don't know much about it, flo handles most of the libpurple stuff.
14:53:57 <sathi> @clokep_work : No , let me go through the libpurple stuff, 
14:54:06 <sathi> clokep_work
14:54:30 <sathi> : Thanks for u r time
14:54:42 <clokep_work> You're ewelcome. Sorry I'm not much help.
14:54:54 <clokep_work> Is this just educational or is there osmething you don't like about meebo or?
14:55:03 <clokep_work> I believe imo.im uses libpurple as a backend.
14:55:16 <clokep_work> Or maybe it was meebo? One of them does. :)
14:55:51 <sathi> @clokep_work : I guess meebo uses libpurple
14:56:24 <sathi> @clokep_work : I developed IM client using ejabberd and strophe, but it is really worst
14:57:05 <sathi> @clokep_work: I am looking for other options
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14:59:48 <clokep_work> I see.
15:11:20 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 805 filed by duy.nghoang@gmail.com.
15:11:21 <instantbot> duy.nghoang@gmail.com added attachment 658 to bug 805.
15:11:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Missing authorization request when being added (for Yahoo Messenger account)
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15:19:52 * clokep_work could've sworn there were other authorization bugs similar to that.
15:19:56 <clokep_work> But I can't find any.
15:20:13 <flo> they are depressing ;)
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15:33:10 <waynenguyen> Is there a way I can get a context menu to do the /buzz command ?
15:41:31 <waynenguyen> I've just tried to do an add-on for bug 756 :p
15:41:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add an "attention" button to the conversation window
15:43:29 <flo> waynenguyen: was it successful? :)
15:45:10 <waynenguyen> Not yet flo :p I am wondering how to make a context menu to do the /buzz command 
15:52:05 <flo> I should file more bugs about align=baseline not working correctly :(
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16:11:31 <flo> I can't reproduce bug 803
16:11:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Protocol icons are the wrong size in buddy chooser.
16:11:44 <flo> Mic has seen it too. Win7 only?
16:11:53 <flo> I tried on Mac, Ubuntu and XP
16:18:47 <waynenguyen> I use Vista, also see it.
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16:56:32 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 795 to FIXED.
16:56:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795 tri, --, 0.3a3, benediktp, RESO FIXED, All-Tabs button not displayed correctly on conversation windows
17:05:12 <clokep_work> flo: Could it be an issue in the Aero theme only then?
17:06:44 <flo> It's probably something taking more vertical space on the aero theme
17:08:13 <clokep_work> Perhaps. :-/
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17:32:28 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/700
17:32:38 <flo> that's for the tooltip we discussed yesterday
17:42:22 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/1b90f5e6e4cf - Florian Quèze - Bug 744 - Tooltip for the alltargets button.
17:42:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0dab142aefef - Florian Quèze - Bug 580 - Use Function.bind instead of 'self' variables and getBindingParent calls.
17:42:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dfcb5d529c7c - Florian Quèze - Bug 744 - Move the top of conversation UI into 2 separate bindings (fixes a regression from c856c0b1cd19 where the topic was no longer editable).
17:42:25 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ffab3491ce07 - Florian Quèze - Bug 791 - Wrong conversation header size after moving the splitter and resizing the window.
17:42:47 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 791 to FIXED.
17:42:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Wrong conversation header size after moving the splitter and resizing the window
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17:44:59 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 580 to FIXED.
17:45:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580 min, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Replace self-hack on callbacks - use Function.bind
17:47:21 <flo> Good evening :)
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19:34:42 <Mic> clokep: thanks for notifying me, I updated the BIO saved searches
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19:47:32 <clokep_work> Thanks Mic. :)
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20:42:34 <clokep_work> If anyone wants to finish / fix / whatever a status update I started one at: https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Clokep/Status_Update_20110526
20:42:39 <clokep_work> Could use a bit of excitement in it though. :)
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21:01:31 <deOmega> hi, on my contact list....
21:02:35 <clokep_work> ... ;)
21:02:37 <deOmega> for my facebook contacts
21:02:43 <deOmega> LOL.. sorry
21:03:08 <deOmega> The drop down arrow next to a buddy's name after you select that buddy...
21:03:09 <clokep_work> It's fine. :)
21:03:26 <deOmega> when i click on some of them.. I am seeing other   buddy names under there.. what is that all about?
21:04:13 <clokep_work> That's how you view the buddies underneath a contact.
21:04:19 <clokep_work> Did you combine buddies into contacts?
21:05:00 <deOmega> ah,   yeah, there was atime i was trying to move  everyone from under teh label buddy to eithe friend or family
21:05:41 <clokep_work> If you want to do that w/ Facebook then add them to groups or whatever it's called on the Facebook website.
21:05:52 <clokep_work> (Tags? Groups? Something else? I forget.)
21:05:58 <clokep_work> And then they should show up under that heading.
21:06:14 <deOmega> yeah... I was trying to cheat doing it through IB
21:06:36 <deOmega> now, i  did a detatch contect for one of the folks under there.. what happens to that contact?
21:06:38 <clokep_work> Instantbird can't affect that though, XMPP doesn't have write access to your buddies.
21:06:48 <clokep_work> It goes back to where it came from I'd assume.
21:07:02 <deOmega> ok
21:07:57 <clokep_work> It shuld go back to the group it's from, etc.
21:08:00 <deOmega> I have been meaning to mention this.. but kept  forgetting.  thank you clokep
21:08:15 <clokep_work> No problem. Hope what I said makes sense?
21:08:42 <clokep_work> I organized all my friends on the Facebook website this way (put my family under a Family category, etc.) which then matched up w/ the category names from my other IM networks.
21:08:49 <clokep_work> SO it just dropped them in the proper place. :)
21:09:04 <deOmega> wel, the most important thing is that it is not alarming to you :)
21:09:19 <clokep_work> (If you combine a buddy from group A with a buddy from Group B; then the contact shows up in Group A and Group B btw)
21:09:49 <deOmega> amakes sense
21:10:00 <deOmega> I guess i will go on facebook and work on that now
21:10:23 <clokep_work> Yeah. The UI they have is mostly good actually.
21:10:29 <clokep_work> As long as you don't have a billion friends I guess.
21:10:32 <clokep_work> Idk, I don't have that any.
21:10:34 <clokep_work> *many
21:10:49 * clokep_work rejects friend requests. ;)
21:11:35 <deOmega> haha
21:11:51 <deOmega> I can understand that :)
21:12:57 <clokep_work> I had most of my friends in groups anyway so it wasn't a big deal.
21:13:14 <clokep_work> Anyway, time to go to the gym / home. Bbl.
21:13:18 <clokep_work> Good luck!
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21:13:48 <deOmega> later clokep
21:13:49 <Mic> Good evening
21:15:37 <Mic> deOmega: you can't drag a contact (the whole thing with the buddy/buddies inside) from one group to another yet
21:16:18 <Mic> if that's what you tried to move your "Buddies" to "Family" or "Friends"
21:16:29 <deOmega> ho MIc.  That is correct.. I have been using the move to  context menu option
21:16:36 <deOmega> move to
21:17:33 <Mic> Exactly, that's how it's done at the moment. Even though I think it's rather counterintuitive that you can drag&drop buddies to combine them but not to move contacts between groups
21:19:49 <Mic> Bug 286 is about investigating more drag&drop ideas by the way
21:19:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Drag & drop of buddies
21:20:22 <Mic> Ah, I'm wandering from the topic ;)
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21:27:26 <deOmega> no, that is good information. thank you
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21:42:00 <Mic> bye
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