#instantbird log on 05 25 2011

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01:43:02 <zach> It's probably outside ib's control, but MSN/WLM messenger indicates "away" as "idle", and "busy" as "away".
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08:35:56 <Mic> Good morning
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10:27:32 <clokep> Good morning.
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13:02:17 <deOmega> good morning. so where is flo going?
13:06:21 <Mic> I think he's moving to a new office today
13:09:40 <deOmega> ah.. ok.
13:09:55 <deOmega> How are things going Mic? With  your project? 
13:10:15 <deOmega> Every morning I get up to update thinking  those changes will be in :)
13:10:23 <deOmega> (I know I know)  :)
13:11:43 <Mic> I'll try to get it ready soon
13:13:08 <deOmega> yeah,  soon I will be able to pass on images of windows.. as opposed to copying  the mac images :)   Thanks.
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13:40:08 <deOmega> have a great day
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14:44:34 <Mic> clokep_work: hi, can you attach a new patch if you change anything on the jumplist stuff (I'd do the localization and different status types later). I've no idea about flo's suggested makefile changes though and will keep my fingers off it
14:44:59 <Mic> *different jump list item types
14:45:21 <clokep_work> Mic: Let me see what I last attached and if I've changed it at all.
14:49:02 <clokep_work> Mic: I haven't touched that code since it was attached. If you wanted to make any changes feel free.
14:49:08 <clokep_work> I'll handle the makefile changes. :)
14:50:13 <clokep_work> Is there more work to do on that patch or just flos comments?
14:51:49 <Mic> flo's comments and the getLinkItem  function is not working at all, just check it, you'll see
14:51:59 <Mic> That's why it was commented out in first place
14:52:33 <Mic> (I copied the newURI thing from mdc /mdn and didn't adapt the parameters/fields on the link object yet
14:52:36 <clokep_work> Got it. I didn't look at that part yet.
14:52:42 <clokep_work> OK. :)
14:52:50 <clokep_work> I was hoping to finish that patch up tonight.
14:53:02 <clokep_work> Although if you want to, feel free. ;) (Minus the makefile stuff.)
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15:10:35 <Mic> I don't mind if you finish it either, I just wanted to get it as far as I can
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15:11:59 <clokep_work> If you could redo that one function that would be great, since I haven't really looked at that code much.
15:12:12 <clokep_work> (And from what you said it seems rather easy to fix?)
15:12:24 <clokep_work> If not, I'll get around to it :)
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15:14:08 <clokep_work> Ah flo got his network switch plugged in again. :P
15:14:20 <flo> clokep_work: no.
15:14:21 <flo> hello
15:14:43 <flo> I'm on a wifi, because the network wires aren't plugged correctly in the (brand new) building
15:15:12 <clokep_work> Ah, you're living in style now! :)
15:15:16 <clokep_work> (Hello.)
15:16:30 <flo> and the guy who setup the "emergency replacement" wifi is an ubuntu and Firefox lover, he was excited to come into the (new) Instantbird office :-D.
15:19:51 <clokep_work> :) Get a big logo printed out for it? ;)
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15:23:24 <flo> I may be disconnected soon, as people are trying to fix the network
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15:55:40 <flo> clokep_work: what happened to the localization note (I even wrote it completely in the last comment :-D) of statusCommand in the last attachment of bug 797?
15:55:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add help strings for Instantbird commands
15:56:23 <clokep_work> flo: Uhh....I think I thought you had just quoted mine. :-/
15:56:28 <clokep_work> Aka me being dumb.
15:56:46 <clokep_work> I need a better way to go about reading your comments than just looking at the web page, I need like a check list. :)
15:57:03 <clokep_work> Want me to post another patch tonight or do you want to just copy it in?
15:57:06 <flo> just re-read the whole comment just before attaching maybe?
15:57:11 <flo> I'll just copy it
15:57:28 <clokep_work> Yeah, I should re-read the whole comment + read my patch.
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15:57:33 <clokep_work> Sorry. :-[
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16:01:07 <flo> I'm glad I no longer see parts of bug 744 in my local tree when I |hg st| :)
16:01:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, top of conversation UI (contact info)
16:03:12 <clokep_work> :)
16:04:19 <flo> do you think " LOCALIZATION NOTE (command help strings)" could be of any help for localizers?
16:05:18 <clokep_work> Probably not, but I'm unsure of what to do in terms of localization, I think I was just marking that as a different section.
16:05:53 <flo> "raw &lt;message&gt;: sends "[...], "help &lt;name&gt;: show "[...] shouldn't both have a 's' or not have them?
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16:08:44 <clokep_work> They should both have them I suppose.
16:08:53 <clokep_work> Or not. ;)
16:08:57 <clokep_work> Depending what the libpurple commands do.
16:09:03 <flo> libpurple commands don't seem to have it
16:09:13 <clokep_work> What do they say?
16:09:22 <clokep_work> On, you mean they don't have the 's'.
16:09:26 <clokep_work> Then remove it from that one please.
16:09:35 <flo> (but there are a few exceptions of course :))
16:12:52 <flo> ahah, I'm glad I tested it :)
16:13:37 <clokep_work> Does it not work? :(
16:13:49 <flo> you guessed right ;)
16:14:00 <clokep_work> Blah. I tested it last night.
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16:14:18 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/698
16:16:24 <flo> the |cmd| variable is not usable inside the getter, as it's not a copy of the variable at the time the getter was created, but a reference to the variable, whose value changes at each iteration. Your patch without modification displays the help message of the "offline" command for all the status commands.
16:17:14 <clokep_work> Oh, interesting.
16:17:27 <clokep_work> I wonder if I didn't test it enough or if my make didn't update properly.
16:18:09 <flo> it's possible you tested it before changing that to a getter
16:18:29 <flo> I'm not sure if that new indentation is right or if I should just keep that on one long line
16:18:40 <flo> what do you prefer?
16:20:09 <clokep_work> Maybe just put the 2); up on the line above it?
16:20:43 <flo> that makes the line 80 columns (1 too many) :-D
16:21:06 <clokep_work> :( Weak.
16:22:28 <flo> ok to commit it like this?
16:22:52 <clokep_work> Yes, I think so.
16:23:01 <clokep_work> Sorry for consistently giving half finished patches. :-/
16:23:17 <flo> that's better than half started ;)
16:27:52 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 653 on bug 797.
16:27:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add help strings for Instantbird commands
16:29:03 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 654 to bug 797.
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16:53:21 <clokep_work> :)
16:53:54 <flo> bug 791 is... strange :-S
16:53:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Wrong conversation header size after several resizes
16:56:02 <clokep_work> Yeah, that bug doesn't look fun. :-/ And it's possible it's not even in our code?
16:56:27 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 655 to bug 791.
16:56:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Wrong conversation header size after several resizes
16:56:30 <flo> don't know
16:56:35 <flo> I have a work around that works
16:57:47 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 797 to FIXED.
16:57:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797 nor, --, 0.3a3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Add help strings for Instantbird commands
16:58:16 <flo> got to go. Good evening
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17:00:58 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b13df4582161 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 797 - Add help strings for Instantbird commands, r=fqueze.
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17:36:43 <igorko> hi
17:36:55 <igorko> about translatio updates
17:37:14 <igorko> busy=unavaliable
17:37:15 <igorko> dnd=unavaliable
17:37:21 <igorko> what this means?
17:37:34 <igorko> need i translate them as busy and Do not disturb?
17:37:49 <igorko> or translate both as unavaliable?
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18:38:24 <clokep_work> igorko: Did you read the translation note above?
18:38:36 <igorko> yes
18:38:52 <igorko> but i don't get why dnd=busy
18:44:56 <clokep_work> It doesn't dnd=unavailable
18:45:36 <clokep_work> So the dnd is the command name (i.e. /dnd) and it sets the status to 'unavailable' that's why it's dnd=unavailable
19:06:39 <clokep_work> Let me know if that doesn't make sense btw. :)
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19:37:21 <flo> the protocol icon in conversations should probably have a tooltip explaining what it means
19:38:17 <flo> "Currently talking to <username> (<protocol name>) - Click to change"?
19:39:19 <clokep_work> Makes sense.
19:39:27 <flo> I'm not sure of what should be displayed for MUCs
19:39:40 <flo> maybe "<account name> <protocol name>"
19:40:02 <clokep_work> Allow us to combine MUCs and then switch protocols? ;)
19:40:19 <flo> I would be tempted to say "<room name>", but on IRC I really want to know the server
19:40:54 <clokep_work> "<room name> on <account name>"?
19:41:04 <clokep_work> So that would be "#instantbird on clokep@irc.mozilla.org" for me.
19:41:40 <flo> "devel@conference.pidgin.im on clokep@gmail.com"?
19:41:58 <clokep_work> I think I usually use clokep@jabber.org for that. ;)
19:42:06 <clokep_work> But that still sounds fine I think.
19:42:40 <flo> the "on" seems weird to me :-S
19:42:53 <clokep_work> @? :P
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19:43:00 <clokep_work> I wasn't sure what else to use though.
19:43:01 <flo> it seems like the thing after it will be the server/network supporting it
19:43:11 <clokep_work> Yes. :-/
19:43:24 <clokep_work> "devel@conference.pidgin.im (clokep@gmail.com)"?
19:43:40 <flo> souldn't we still specify the protocol?
19:43:49 <clokep_work> Yea, I just realized that.
19:44:12 <clokep_work> "devel@conference.pidgin.im (clokep@gmail.com (IRC))" :P
19:44:12 <Mic> #instantbird via Mic@irc.mozilla.org
19:44:18 <Mic> Does this make any sense?
19:44:24 <clokep_work> That makes sense Mic, yes.
19:44:39 <clokep_work> #instantbird via Mic@irc.mozilla.org (IRC) ?
19:44:59 <clokep_work> (via = "by way of", so...)
19:45:10 <clokep_work> Makes more sense then "on" at least. :-D
19:45:58 <flo> ok. Is it a recent regression that I can't edit the topic when the top-conv-UI is on 2 lines?
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19:47:26 * clokep_work doesn't know.
19:47:38 <Mic> I don't have a current nightly atm
19:48:18 <flo> it sucks that I'm the only one to blame for breaking things in that area ;)
19:49:16 <flo> yeah, definitely https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c856c0b1cd19 :(
19:49:40 <Mic> :(
19:51:59 <Mic> Automating tests is rather tedious, isn't it?
19:53:19 <clokep_work> Mic: Yes.
19:53:39 <clokep_work> The framework is definitely there, but we'd need to write a lot of stuff up. :-/
19:53:57 <flo> and buy several machines
19:54:51 <Mic> I guessed as much :S
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19:56:47 <flo> we definitely want it though ;)
19:59:12 <Mic> good night
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20:23:32 <DGMurdockIII> Error: Handshake failed (-12263)
20:23:32 <DGMurdockIII> Source File: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/5c5551f66bd1/purple/libpurple/ssl-nss.c
20:23:32 <DGMurdockIII> Line: 342
20:23:32 <DGMurdockIII> Source Code:
20:23:32 <DGMurdockIII> nss: ssl_nss_handshake_cb
20:32:29 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): the main page download button still has a old verson on it
20:33:54 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Is it not showing 0.2?
20:34:10 <DGMurdockIII> yes but look at the news post
20:34:46 <clokep_work> Right? But 0.3a2 is an alpha release.
20:36:48 <clokep_work> So it's not on the main download button until 0.3 is released.
20:38:35 <clokep_work> I assume that's the rationale at least. :)
20:40:18 <flo> It seems my work around is the best "solution" for 791
20:40:33 <flo> I just read the code behind the splitter implementation
20:41:02 <clokep_work> No bug in it? :(
20:42:35 <flo> it takes the child frames (rather than DOM nodes) of the resized area, and for each, it sets the current (=after resize) frame height as the height attribute of the associated content (DOM) node
20:42:48 <flo> that's not what I expected, but it makes sense
20:43:17 <clokep_work> I see.
20:43:48 <flo> so yeah, removing the height attribute where it's clearly undesirable seems like an acceptable solution
20:47:42 <clokep_work> Yeah, I guess that makes sense. And it's not that terrible of a work around...
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20:54:10 <flo> It feels better when a totally strange bug becomes understandable :)
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20:58:36 <clokep_work> Interesting comment a few days ago to work with buzzbird. I think he's given up on that though.
20:58:53 <flo> It seems he has recently started again
21:00:19 <clokep_work> Eh his last post wasn't too excited: http://getbuzzbird.com/bb/2011/05/twitter-changes-to-authentication/
21:11:12 <flo> what's that authentication problem?
21:11:55 <clokep_work> I think he's using xAuth.
21:11:57 <DGMurdockIII> it somthing new twitter is doing
21:14:09 <flo> last time I checked, buzzbird was using xauth
21:14:21 <flo> maybe that doesn't allow reading direct messages anymore?
21:14:35 <clokep_work> I think that's what he's saying, yes.
21:14:49 <flo> that would be a great excuse to wontfix our xauth bug :-D
21:15:06 * clokep_work is looking for the post. Do you know it DGMurdockIII 
21:16:14 <DGMurdockIII> http://blog.twitter.com/2011/05/mission-permission.html
21:16:32 <clokep_work> "The R/W/DM permission can only be granted through the /oauth/authorize "
21:16:43 <clokep_work> Thanks DGMurdockIII  :)
21:18:12 <DGMurdockIII> http://dev.twitter.com/doc
21:21:01 <clokep_work> flo: Can I WONTFIX it then? :)
21:22:03 <DGMurdockIII> http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/e954fc0f8b5aa6ec/dbe591c0088a4b18
21:22:20 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/e954fc0f8b5aa6ec/dbe591c0088a4b18 a more technaly post
21:22:22 <clokep_work> Yeah, I just found that.
21:22:26 <flo> maybe wait until they actually do the change?
21:22:29 <clokep_work> Well a few minutes ago.
21:23:03 <flo> it says "By the middle of June, applications that do not need access to your direct messages will no longer have it"
21:23:20 <clokep_work> I see.
21:25:36 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/699 how does this look?
21:28:41 <clokep_work> Looks OK, is that the fix for the splitter?
21:33:39 <flo> it doesn't fix anything
21:33:46 <flo> just removes confusing code
21:34:06 <clokep_work> Ah, then yes. :)
21:35:33 <flo> if we don't fix bug 634 for 0.3, it may be a good idea to remove all the related dead code
21:35:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Richtext formatting for outgoing messages
21:37:16 <clokep_work> Right, might actually be easier to implement it by first removing it all anyway. :P
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21:38:53 <flo> I think tomorrow I'll reimplement the top-conv-UI markup as 2 separate XBL bindings. The current code is pretty confusing, and I haven't found a tweak that makes the edit topic feature works at the same time as the alltargets button...
21:42:51 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 802 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
21:42:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=802 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Auto-join context menu item
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21:47:23 <flo> Good night :)
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21:52:48 <clokep_work> Bah so the Thunderbird guys just came up with a patch to use pypng to automatically convert stuff to icos from pngs on the fly during the make stage...gonna check it out tonight for bug 618
21:52:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7
21:55:13 <clokep_work> Although possibly handle it as a follow up anyway. But we'll see. :)
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22:08:13 <EionRobb> wow, adding jump lists in JS in Instantbird looks a lot easier than it was adding them in C in Pidgin
22:08:56 <EionRobb> is it possible to run multiple instances of Instantbird?
22:10:47 <EionRobb> if so, you might want to allow your command-line status setting code to cater for targeting a specific instance of Instantbird
22:11:24 <EionRobb> I'm trying to do the same thing in the pidgin plugin, so that it's possible to separate out the multiple instances into separate taskbar icons, but pidgin can't handle targeting specific instances of pidgin (yet)
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