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00:27:00 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:43:45 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 00:44:41 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:52:45 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 01:17:43 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 01:54:11 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 02:00:38 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 641 to bug 691. 02:00:39 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 641 on bug 691. 02:00:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands 02:01:22 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 02:21:49 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 02:56:26 --> tymerkaev_away has joined #instantbird 03:02:12 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 03:35:33 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 03:37:08 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 03:39:43 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 03:57:37 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 04:24:55 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 04:30:14 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 04:35:58 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 04:49:50 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 04:51:53 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 05:31:05 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 05:32:15 <EionRobb> hi all. is there a howto for wrapping a libpurple plugin/protocol in XUL to work in instantbird? 05:46:49 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! Â :: core-networks.de Â«Â«Â« (Gamers.IRC) Â»Â»Â» gamersirc.net ::) 05:55:13 <EionRobb> is it enough to copy the extension from http://blog.instantbird.org/a9-instantbird-0-2-feature-preview-protocols-as-extensions.html or have things changed in 0.3? 05:56:25 --> tymerkaev_away has joined #instantbird 05:56:54 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 06:05:37 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:24:08 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 06:34:20 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 06:45:33 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 06:45:34 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 06:48:47 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout) 07:01:02 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 07:21:40 <Mic> Hello 07:36:39 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 08:05:13 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 08:10:23 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 08:17:49 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 08:18:03 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 08:18:12 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 08:43:53 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 08:45:55 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:45:56 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:46:03 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Mic) 08:46:31 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:46:31 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:10:39 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 09:10:59 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 09:14:12 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:14:12 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:15:40 <flo> hello :) 09:20:33 <tymerkaev> hi 09:35:14 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 09:38:20 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 09:40:35 <Mic2> Hmm, I hope nobody minds if Instantbird on Windows looks better than on Mac now? ;) 09:43:03 <Mic2> https://wiki.instantbird.org/images/e/e7/IbGlassBorders.png 09:43:47 <igorko> but if you're not using Aero it looks bad 09:44:31 <Mic2> It doesn't look any worse than before. It only looks much better on Aero now ;) 09:46:15 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 09:48:08 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 09:49:14 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:49:14 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:49:18 <flo> Mic: :) 09:49:53 <flo> there's still some room for improvement on the conversation window ;) 09:50:24 <Mic> In the scope of this bug? ;) 09:50:34 <flo> don't know :) 09:51:08 <flo> the 2 resizers and the area behind "Participants: 13" would look better in the same color as the status bar I think 09:52:03 <flo> I've always disliked the right border of the nicklist. Unfortunately it's not possible to remove it without removing the other 3 borders and loosing the native color on XP. But here you can try a negative margin-right value 09:52:54 <flo> it would be nice to hide the border between the top conversation UI and the participant list sidebar, maybe a top-margin: -1px would do? 09:53:28 <flo> well, not completely sure about this last one 09:57:01 <flo> Mic: not sure if the patches in the bug were ready for review (apparently not as you seem to still be making improvements), but I can comment on "the margins turned out to be rather resistant to change": you needed the !important" because your css code was added at the beginning of the file and there's this rule that comes after it: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/blist.css#261 09:57:26 <flo> your code should probably be at the end of the file instead 09:57:37 <Mic> Ah.. ok 09:57:38 <flo> and probably only in the -aero version of the file 09:58:01 <Mic> How do I tell which goes where? 09:58:10 <flo> which what? 09:58:49 <Mic> Aren't the files shared for all systems? 09:58:57 <flo> the -aero file is separate 09:59:00 <flo> see http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/tabbrowser-winstripe/tabbrowser-aero.css 09:59:04 <Mic> There are preprocessor commands in there that enable or disable its 09:59:13 <flo> it includes the shared file at the top 10:00:06 <flo> and if that file wasn't disabled, we would have in the jar.mn file: 10:00:07 <flo> * skin/classic/aero/instantbird/tabbrowser.css (tabbrowser-winstripe/tabbrowser-aero.css) 10:02:03 * flo wonders if he's helping or confusing things even more :-S 10:03:02 <Mic> I haven't decided this either yet ;) 10:03:14 <flo> ahah :) 10:03:19 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 10:03:24 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:03:25 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:03:56 <flo> of course at some point before landing the changes, we will need to look at the appearance on Win7 without Glass and on XP 10:04:17 <flo> but the changes seem well self-contained at this point, so I'm not too worried 10:05:14 <Mic> the moz-win-compositor applies only when Aero is fully available 10:05:30 <Mic> It falls back to the current design if it is the classic theme or Aero Basic 10:06:40 <Mic> I meant to say that I already tried that 10:06:45 <flo> it's possible some of your changes would be good on Aero Basic too ;) 10:07:03 <flo> the rounded corners for example 10:07:09 <flo> most (all?) of the margin changes 10:12:36 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:12:36 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:13:14 <flo> hello :) 10:13:20 <Mic> Hi clokep 10:13:33 <clokep> Hello Mic. 10:16:27 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 10:17:47 <flo> clokep: is it ok if I "fix" the latest patch from bug 691 and show you the interdiff, rather than commenting again in the bug? Most of the changes I should suggest are trivial, and half of them we already more or less suggested in the previous review comment 10:17:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands 10:17:54 <flo> s/we/were/ 10:18:10 <clokep> flo: Sure. Did I miss some review comments? :( 10:18:22 <clokep> I forgot to comment on one part btw... 10:18:32 <Mic> I tweaked some borders .. https://wiki.instantbird.org/images/9/9e/IbConvBorders.png 10:19:03 <flo> the right border of the participant list is still there 10:19:10 <clokep> >+helpTopic=Help topic for %S:\r\n%S (which was updated, removed the \r, etc.) has a line break because the way the help strings are formatted it looks real weird without one. 10:19:33 <flo> Mic: the only one I see changed is the border between the top UI and the "participants: 13" part. Is there another that's changed? 10:20:11 <flo> clokep: ok! :) 10:20:36 <clokep> If you can think of a better string that'd be OK too. :) 10:21:16 <flo> I don't think the "topic" word is useful. "Help for <command>" would work as well 10:21:22 <Mic> Yes, you just don't see it ;) since I had to move some borders to other elements to achieve this. 10:21:51 <Mic> And I put one on the top of input box 10:22:03 <clokep> flo: I think I already changed it to that. :) 10:22:03 <flo> ah, right, a transparent background doesn't help to hide a border 10:23:04 <flo> clokep: right! :) 10:25:15 <Mic> bbl 10:25:38 <flo> I think we need to start thinking about how we will "finish" and release 0.3. 10:26:10 <flo> what about retriaging all the 0.3 bugs to see which ones needs to be fixed before we release a beta (and string freeze)? 10:27:05 <flo> I'm also wondering if we are likely to release before Firefox 5 final. If not, we should probably move from mozilla2 to mozilla5 asap. 10:27:06 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 10:31:20 <clokep> flo: Sounds like a good idea. I started to look at localizing Twitter yesterday btw. :P There's not that many strings. 10:31:55 <flo> some connection error messages and some connection progress strings may need to be improved 10:32:11 <flo> if there are error strings in jsProtoHelper, they also need to be localized 10:33:21 <clokep> Mmhm. 10:39:32 <flo> "No help message for the 'help' command, sorry!" hmm 10:43:05 <clokep> Guess I never added one. :-X 10:43:34 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/695 10:43:57 <clokep> Yes. 10:44:31 <flo> if all existing help messages have the "<command name> <parameters>: <help message>" format, do we need the "Help for '<command name>':" message at all? 10:49:06 <clokep> Probably not, I gues the user should know why that's popping up. 10:49:13 <clokep> Since they had to type /help <command> to get it. 10:49:21 <flo> ok, let's simplify then :) 10:50:30 <flo> do you think we should add help strings right now for all the commands *we* define, or would you rather handle that as a follow-up (blocking 0.3-beta I guess)? 10:50:35 <clokep> Idk if the command help strings are localized btw. 10:50:42 <flo> libpurple's are 10:50:46 <clokep> I'd rather do it as a follow up. 10:50:50 <flo> ours are... inexistant 10:50:54 <clokep> I think it's only raw and help though? 10:51:08 <clokep> That's all that's in that file at least. :) 10:51:26 <flo> raw, help and http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/ibCore.jsm#98 (which I would suggest you move to near the other 2 for simplicity) 10:54:32 <clokep> OK. :) 11:00:19 <clokep> Shouldn't we be removing bugs instead of adding more though? :P 11:00:21 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/696 11:01:42 <clokep> Looks fine w/ me. 11:02:26 <flo> is my example in the .idl file unambiguous? 11:04:52 <clokep> I think so. 11:04:59 <flo> ok, I'll commit that then :) 11:05:23 <flo> and let you file/handle the followup to add help messages :-P 11:05:34 <flo> going to get lunch first though ;) 11:11:23 <clokep> Cool. :) 11:11:32 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 11:17:34 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 11:26:35 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:26:43 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 11:34:55 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:34:55 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 11:58:50 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 12:26:58 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 12:27:03 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 12:27:07 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Even1) 12:27:19 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 12:27:27 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 12:27:51 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 12:31:51 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 12:34:34 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 12:38:10 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:38:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 12:38:25 <Mic> "you needed the !important" because your css code was added at the beginning of the file and there's this rule that comes after it": I thought the media query might make my rule more specific than the other, thus overriding it 12:39:00 <Mic> I might have been mistaken here ;) 12:46:23 <flo> Mic: It's a bit confusing, but I think it should be seen more like a run-time ifdef 12:47:37 <Mic> ok, I just thought it might have some specificity (that I don't know) like CSS selectors do 12:48:10 <Mic> (and that it could only be more specific than 'apply always') 12:48:28 <Mic> Maybe I should stop thinking ;) 13:39:08 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 13:39:17 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:42:51 <instantbot> email@example.com granted review for attachment 641 on bug 691. 13:42:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands 13:43:42 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 642 to bug 691. 13:57:45 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 13:59:30 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 13:59:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 14:01:46 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 14:01:50 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:02:08 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 14:07:21 <clokep_work> I'll work on blockers, wanted from now on. ;) 14:08:05 <flo> :) 14:13:28 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 14:14:34 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 797 filed by email@example.com. 14:14:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add help string for Instantbird commands 14:15:21 * flo just mid-aired with you 14:16:27 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org set the Resolution field on bug 691 to FIXED. 14:16:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, 0.3a3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands 14:16:47 <deOmega> Good day.... mic: Nice changes to the conversation window.. i really like how you have changed the status bar. I have a question... 14:17:08 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 798 filed by email@example.com. 14:17:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make editable topic more discoverable 14:18:01 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/cd9bd5683215 - Florian Quèze - Fix icon display on Windows when the profile is stored on a network location. 14:18:02 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/fc27e39cc4d0 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 691 - Implement /help command to get information on registered commands, r=fqueze. 14:18:05 <Mic> Hi, just ask .. 14:18:24 <deOmega> The baby-blue behind the tab.. with that change as one changes windows color.. so, would it turn to light pink? 14:18:38 <deOmega> yah, was writing it and working hehe :) 14:20:12 <Mic> Yes, in the same way as on the "Hello Kitty"-image. I haven't done anything else but changing the setting Windows has for the window color 14:20:30 * clokep_work wonders if we have a bug about making merging contacts more discoverable. 14:21:01 <clokep_work> flo: is 0.3-wanted-beta essentially "has string change"? 14:21:24 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 14:21:31 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 14:21:32 <flo> yes, I'll change all the wanted/blocking to add "beta" or "final" 14:21:46 <flo> depending on whether there are string changes or not (or if it's really to crappy to release in a beta) 14:22:11 <deOmega> Mic: yeah, teh images before did not have that padding behind the tab,.. it was all glass 14:22:18 <flo> 0.3-nice-to-have = too late. (I'll change to wanted those that we can still take) 14:22:37 <flo> and after the beta is released, it will be too late for all 0.3-wanted-beta bugs 14:23:22 <deOmega> so that is why I asked. either case, nice work man. Thank you 14:23:28 <clokep_work> deOmega: I believe one set of images that was posted show non-Aero Windows 7? Is that what you're asking about? 14:23:43 <deOmega> i will show u the two images... 14:24:05 <deOmega> this is the all glass one 14:24:07 <deOmega> http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/9432/ibconvwindowglass.png 14:24:26 <deOmega> this is the one with the padding behind the tab.... 14:24:28 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 14:24:44 <deOmega> https://wiki.instantbird.org/images/e/e7/IbGlassBorders.png 14:25:08 <Mic> The latter is newer (and nicer in my opinion) 14:25:26 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:25:30 <deOmega> ok... sounds good to me 14:25:35 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 14:25:42 * clokep_work likes the glass behind the tabs. 14:26:27 --> flo has joined #instantbird 14:26:27 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 14:26:29 <flo> clokep_work: bug 743 14:26:31 <deOmega> :) me too.. 14:26:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Larger and more discoverable drop targets for merging buddies into contacts 14:26:46 <clokep_work> flo: Ah thanks, i was about to file one. :) 14:27:17 <clokep_work> Mic: Is there much left for bug 618, or really just cleaning it up a bit? 14:27:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7 14:27:31 <clokep_work> (I haven't taken your comments into account yet, but they weren't anything major.) 14:29:27 <Mic> I'm not sure if we need a description/tooltip for the status items on the list 14:30:06 <Mic> It not we wouldn't need a new string for it and would only need to get the existing status names from the right bundle 14:30:19 <Mic> *If not 14:30:20 <clokep_work> So just curious...is there a reason behind new messages being red in IM and MUCs, but directed messages are blue in a MUC? I feel like an IM + directed message should be the same color (red) and "other" messages in the MUC should be a different color? 14:30:30 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 14:30:56 <clokep_work> Mic: Ah, OK. IE doesn't have tooltips btw for a reference point. 14:31:10 <clokep_work> (Nor does Outlook, etc.) 14:31:21 <Mic> Neither does Skype for their status items there 14:31:45 <clokep_work> Hmm...OK. 14:31:52 <flo> clokep_work: the reason is that color scheme (with green to "typing") is a direct copy without any thinking of what Pidgin does. 14:31:57 <clokep_work> I mean, what woulld it say "Set your status to available"? 14:32:11 <clokep_work> flo: OK. :) I figured it was something of that sort, was just curious! 14:32:22 * clokep_work had aan idea for nicer styling of that. 14:32:23 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 14:32:23 <Mic> Something like that 14:32:38 <flo> and yes, I thought several times that I would like direct messages in MUCs to be read 14:32:50 <flo> and undirected messages to be less visible in the headers 14:33:10 <flo> clokep_work: file a bug :) 14:33:45 <clokep_work> OK. I only really know how it'd look on Windows though. 14:34:14 <Mic> clokep_work: the current look (the last link that deOmega posted) was intended to make the major windows look alike 14:34:28 <flo> clokep_work: still ok to file a bug. Others may have ideas too. 14:34:30 <Mic> Firefox doesn't put anything over the glass background on the tab bar, though 14:35:03 <flo> Mic: the other benefit is you don't need to worry any more about dragging the window ;) 14:35:48 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 14:36:12 <clokep_work> Mic: Yes, and I like the use of glass there, but both of them look very nice. :) 14:39:09 <deOmega> Mic: yeah, it just look lighter and more sleek without the padding.. but the privilege goes to the developer :). NO matter how you slice it.. it is fantastic work. 14:42:44 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 799 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 14:42:45 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 643 to bug 799. 14:42:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Duplicated status icons on left-most tab with smaller conv. header 14:43:46 <Mic> clokep_work: there's the opportunity to file bug 800 now. You better don't wait too long ;) 14:43:59 * clokep_work is writing one right now. 14:44:00 <flo> Find something great for it! 14:44:33 <flo> what about "Get 1 million users"? 14:49:29 <waynenguyen> flo: should include time in that bug? :) 14:49:47 <flo> 11/11/11 ? 14:52:52 * clokep_work just lost a bug write up. :( 14:56:41 <Mic> Is the number of participants in a channel really important by the way? 14:57:11 * clokep_work likes it. 14:57:24 <Mic> It's nerdy :P 14:57:48 <clokep_work> Useful when the list is longer than #instantbird. 14:58:11 <clokep_work> I.e. if there's more than 20 people, it tells you whether there are 23 people are 2300. 14:58:16 <clokep_work> (Also partially told by the scrollbar size.) 14:58:25 * flo is downloading a backup of ftp.instantbird.org 14:58:37 <flo> only 97GB 14:59:13 <Mic> The scrollbar gives a good idea if there's "few", "some", "a lot" or "really many" people in a rrom 14:59:31 <Mic> flo: I hope you have a fast connection 14:59:46 <flo> I'll lose it soon 14:59:54 <flo> my office is moving Tuesday morning 15:00:02 <deOmega> wasn't there a time when IB would flash if one mentions your name in irc? 15:00:14 <flo> I'll have only 20Mbps in the new office, and maybe even less on the up link. 15:00:32 <flo> I currently have a 100Mbps symmetrical connection. 15:01:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 800 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:01:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better. 15:01:22 <clokep_work> deOmega: It still should. 15:01:33 <deOmega> ok 15:01:58 <clokep_work> Sorry for the long winded explanation in that bug. :) 15:02:01 <deOmega> yeah, i it does... :) .. someone came in behind me and disabled flashing. :) 15:02:39 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 15:02:58 <Mic> clokep_work: on Mozilla5 we could have css animations ;) 15:03:19 <flo> do you need them? 15:03:21 <clokep_work> Mi: For the pulsing? Yes I kind of assumed that part... 15:03:27 <clokep_work> Mic ^ ^ rather 15:04:56 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 15:05:04 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:05:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 15:05:40 <flo> clokep_work: don't we also have an orange color for "has stopped typing"? 15:08:21 <clokep_work> flo: We can make that a dark angry red color. :-D 15:08:22 <deOmega> flo, did you have plans to decrease the min size needed to show the buddy icon in the messaging window? 15:09:36 <flo> not really, but if there's strong demand we may do it. 15:10:02 <deOmega> awe.. it requires so much right now 15:10:55 <flo> maybe we could hide the status bar sooner instead 15:12:56 <deOmega> doesn't it require you to have yoru messaging window almost half your monitor size in height to see it at the moment? ... status bar option.. sure. 15:13:46 <clokep_work> deOmega: It's 400 pixels, depends on your screen size and resolution. ;) 15:13:58 <flo> maybe. Depends on your screen size 15:14:11 <flo> I tend to use Instantbird on the second screen, so it doesn't matter if it takes almost all the screen 15:14:24 <clokep_work> At home it's ~3/8 of my screen? 15:14:28 <flo> and I keep the window rather big to see a dozen of tabs 15:14:42 <deOmega> i am using 27 inch monitors, 1920x1080 15:14:50 <clokep_work> I wonder if it's shown with the default size or not. 15:14:56 <clokep_work> (It should be, IMO.) 15:15:42 <deOmega> And see flo.. i coudl understand that for you.. but the typical user.. would they have their messenger window that big? 15:15:55 <clokep_work> A lot of people maximize it I think. :-/ 15:16:15 <deOmega> jesus 15:16:19 <flo> deOmega: you know, some people keep arguing with me (I disagree) that the messenger is always fullscreen and that it's pointless to care about small windows 15:16:50 <deOmega> wow 15:17:22 <deOmega> I woudl argue that anyone that has an instant messenger fullscreen... will have productivity issues 15:17:23 <flo> and I keep explaining that there's no such thing as a "typical user", and that it's more interesting to explain me what *you* need and why, rather than what you believe others do. :) 15:17:49 <Mic> You should argue with them, making them see that they're wrong ;) 15:17:50 <deOmega> interesting 15:17:51 <Mic> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png 15:18:12 <flo> Mic: :) 15:19:34 <flo> deOmega: I first thought those people (arguing about fullscreen messengers) were crazy... but since that I've observed in several instances people using the *contact list* full screen, even though it's a total waste of space. So... :-| 15:20:21 <clokep_work> The contact list? Seriously? 15:20:28 <flo> yes 15:20:30 <deOmega> yeah, that is absolutely news for me 15:20:42 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 15:20:42 <deOmega> to me 15:20:52 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:20:52 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 15:21:00 <flo> those people tend to use only one window at once, and all of them maximized. 15:22:51 <deOmega> And I gathered that we are not fans of customization.. so there won't be an option for a user to set his own parameters,. as opposed to it comming from development :) 15:23:44 <clokep_work> Unfortunately for it to be set from a pref, it can't be done simply in CSS. :( 15:23:53 <Mic> bah, great .. now I'm arrived at "border: 1px solid red;"-css-debugging :S 15:24:35 <flo> deOmega: don't you think that hiding things when you downsize the window is already a form or adaptation/customization to our best guess of the user's needs? 15:24:56 <flo> Mic: add the !important ;) 15:25:22 <flo> for debugging, it's better to add it first without wondering if it's even useful than to have to retry because you are not 100% sure of the result of the test :) 15:25:57 <deOmega> I am not sure i agree with it being teh best guess. 15:26:10 <deOmega> let me share something with you for what it is worth.... 15:26:54 <deOmega> I guive software support to a lot of individuals.. generally in my field. 15:26:54 <flo> deOmega: with more data we can make more educated guesses ;). 15:27:13 <deOmega> this support requires me to use teamviewer to look in onto their screen. 15:28:05 <deOmega> now, you guys should have already realized that I am no where close to you guys technically.. but I know enough to keep things running and customized 15:28:34 <deOmega> and so, a lot of my feedback are from my observations 15:29:06 <deOmega> Most people.. like myself, rely on messenger services.. such as mirc... and now instantbiord 15:29:18 <deOmega> as a rule, we pacl all of these onto one monitor 15:30:10 <deOmega> because there are multiple channels to monitor...it is not likely to see one ..err message window?.. taking up a significant amount of room 15:30:42 <deOmega> now.. one may.. but still, we want the option to choose which one remains large 15:31:19 <deOmega> None of the individuals i have had install instantbird has their message window as large as the min setting you have 15:31:35 <deOmega> I am sorry for going on so much, but let me add finally 15:31:54 <deOmega> Vertical tab has been an absolute winner. for us 15:32:08 <deOmega> because it allows a lot of tabs without scrolling 15:32:27 <deOmega> however.. this calls for generally a wider window that taller 15:33:02 <Mic> Not seriously :S 15:33:21 <Mic> The all-tabs button problem was a missing comma 15:33:44 <flo> if your screen is packed with information, isn't it better to reduce the size of the top of conversation UI? Is the contact icon really an important piece of data? 15:34:13 <flo> Mic: oh really? That would explain why I was sure I already fixed it in the past! :) 15:34:23 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:34:42 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 15:36:22 <deOmega> flo: But this is why i am saying a smalller limit.. because that icon.. helps a lot.. goes back to one of our early conversation. This is alwo shy i use message styles that show the participants icons....anything that helps quickly identify who one is chatting with. 15:37:15 <deOmega> at some ppoint, you are right that it woudl be aproblem 15:37:29 <deOmega> as it woud make the conversation too small.. but I just think teh limit now is too high. 15:38:00 <clokep_work> Wait...if you're monitoring multiple channels with tabs, wouldn't you want a big window? 15:38:29 <deOmega> they are all in their own windows 15:39:15 <deOmega> the unimportant.. or noise.. remain in tabs.. and you look at them when you are ready 15:39:20 <deOmega> or get an alert 15:39:28 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. :) OK 15:39:35 <deOmega> the ones u need to look at constantly are opened in their own window 15:40:01 <flo> can you be more specific on what "need to look at constantly" means? 15:40:18 <flo> do you need to know immediately if something new arrives, or see immediately what that new thing is? 15:40:42 <flo> are those channel only for tracking new information, or do you often reply in them? 15:41:08 <deOmega> Not know immediately isf something arrives.. but you want to see passively everything that comes through teh channel.. or you may be in active dialog 15:42:03 <deOmega> both lol 15:42:46 <deOmega> If you need clarification, I can give you an example of a site to check out 15:43:16 <flo> a site? I thought it was an irc (or equivalent) channel :-S 15:43:27 <deOmega> yes it is :) 15:44:06 <deOmega> irc.financialchat.com 15:44:40 <deOmega> enter a room such as #activetrader 15:45:10 <deOmega> the web site is www.financialchat.com 15:47:10 <flo> ok, 355 people in the room, nobody talking currently. 15:47:50 <deOmega> that is teh room 15:48:11 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 644 to bug 795. 15:48:12 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 644 on bug 795. 15:48:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795 tri, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, All-Tabs button not displayed correctly on conversation windows 15:48:23 <deOmega> That room typically has around 600 traders.. but this is the start of the slow season 15:48:52 <Mic> Fixing one character bugs now.. I think this is a new record even for me ;) 15:49:03 <instantbot> email@example.com granted review for attachment 644 on bug 795. 15:49:13 <clokep_work> :) But those are the hard ones to find. 15:49:24 <flo> was there an error in the Error console? 15:49:30 <Mic> no 15:49:44 <flo> ah right, it's syntactically correct :( 15:49:50 <clokep_work> flo: I'm going to advertise to people that you review bugs in 59 seconds now. :) 15:50:13 <flo> I see 1 minute between comment 1 and 2 15:50:35 <flo> 1 minute per character is not that great ;) 15:50:47 <Mic> hehe :D 15:50:53 <flo> Mic: the next new record will be *removing* 1 character 15:51:40 <clokep_work> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_activity.cgi?id=795 shows 59 seconds. Must have taken an extra second to put the comment in the database. :) 15:51:53 <flo> deOmega: people there talk in a completely obscure language ;) 15:52:13 <flo> clokep_work: ahah :) 15:52:31 <flo> deOmega: does our language looks that cryptic to you? :-D 15:52:32 <deOmega> haha. GREAT!!!! Now you know how i feel here sometimes :) 15:53:41 <flo> deOmega: seriously, the current UI seems completely unadapted for that usecase. 15:54:34 <deOmega> Ok, I appreciate the effort indeed. 15:55:35 <deOmega> I am not using instantibird for those kinds of rooms as yet 15:56:06 <deOmega> But i have a friend that has already transitioned to IB for those 15:56:13 <deOmega> well, most of those 15:56:14 <flo> it seems to me (but I may be wrong) that most of these very short messages a pointers to look somewhere else, and would benefit from some way to have more information when hovering, or have automatically added links 15:56:25 <flo> like when we add links automatically here when someone says a bug number 15:56:41 <flo> *are pointers 15:57:07 <deOmega> You know flo. that coudl be interesting 15:57:40 <deOmega> inded though, most of those messages say all that you need to know.. so pulling more data would just flood the channel 15:58:05 <deOmega> BUt. that could be a feature for certain posts from an op. interesting 15:58:05 <flo> the data would be pulled only when hovering or clicking a link 15:58:52 <deOmega> ok 15:59:45 <deOmega> Thanks for humoring me today 16:00:22 <deOmega> so verdict: Flo will min size lower LOL 16:00:43 <flo> file a bug? :-P 16:00:56 <deOmega> bug 800? lol 16:00:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better. 16:01:04 <deOmega> darn 16:01:08 <flo> you are late :-P 16:01:43 <clokep_work> I got that one already. :_D 16:01:43 <clokep_work> :-D 16:02:06 <flo> what's the size of the window where you miss that icon? 16:03:56 <deOmega> hwo do i tell teh size.. do i post an image or measure with atape? :) 16:04:30 <clokep_work> Posting an image would work, or most image editors have rulers that will tell you the size. 16:04:50 * clokep_work will be back in a bit. 16:04:53 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:04:54 <deOmega> ok 16:05:02 <flo> deOmega: add a screenshot to the bug of a window where you believe there should really be an icon displayed 16:09:45 <deOmega> ok, great. will do that 16:10:11 <flo> or of the minimial size where you believe we are likely to accept displaying the icon ;) 16:10:16 <flo> *minimal 16:11:05 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 16:11:14 <deOmega> will do, thank you. 16:11:22 <flo> np 16:11:28 <flo> thanks for your feedback :) 16:15:06 <deOmega> my pleasure 16:15:49 <waynenguyen> Btw, is there a hot key to completely exit Instantbird from the buddy window? As for now alt+f4 and f9 are all minimizing Instantbird to tray. 16:17:51 <waynenguyen> If no, can we make alt+f4 to completely exit Instantbird? 16:17:52 <flo> Ctrl+Q ? 16:18:42 <waynenguyen> Ctrl + Q doesn't work for me, flo 16:19:41 <flo> if it's for testing your work while developing something, Ctrl+c in the terminal from where the debug build was started works very well :) 16:21:40 <flo> I wonder what I can put in the status whiteboard for 0.3-wanted bugs that we won't take because it's already too late 16:21:55 <flo> (to still keep track of them) 16:22:01 <flo> "used-to-be-wanted" seems long ;) 16:22:40 <flo> hmm, maybe just "[wanted]" without 0.3 mention 16:23:05 <waynenguyen> No, it's not for testing flo :). I mean now File->Exit is the only way to exit Instantbird right? 16:26:43 <flo> warning everybody: it's bugspam day :) 16:28:01 <Mic> good bye 16:28:05 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 16:32:50 <waynenguyen> good bye 16:32:51 <-- waynenguyen has left #instantbird () 16:40:19 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org set the Resolution field on bug 770 to WORKSFORME. 16:40:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, No Icon after Linux Update 16:50:52 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 16:53:15 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 16:53:18 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 17:01:33 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 801 filed by email@example.com. 17:01:34 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 645 to bug 801. 17:01:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=801 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, minimum conversation window height for buddy icon to appear is too high. 17:04:39 <deOmega> you know, in that capture..typically that white space woudl be smaller. .. but i had a glitch it seems where the area did not resize when i lowered the size of teh window, though the icon disappeared as it should have with current settiings. 17:05:25 <flo> deOmega: that's bug 791 17:05:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Wrong conversation header size after several resizes 17:06:10 <flo> deOmega: but in the context of this bug report it's interesting because this is exactly the size it would have if the icon was displayeds 17:06:14 <deOmega> ah, it cam ein handy :) 17:06:16 <flo> *displayed 17:06:56 <deOmega> good thing it was not fixed as yet :) 17:07:10 <flo> at this size you would expect the status bar to be hidden, right? 17:07:29 <deOmega> not necessarily 17:07:38 <deOmega> i would say at a smaller size for most 17:07:54 <deOmega> if the status bar is hidden, i would say.. then teh window coudl be a tad shorter 17:09:15 <deOmega> I woud be fine with the status bar being there for that size (though t do not use it.. just trying to be more openminded) 17:09:40 <deOmega> and consider that size teh minimum height where one gets the status bar and icon row 17:10:00 <flo> the textbox smaller than the status bar is disturbing to me ;) 17:10:52 <deOmega> I think it is really a high status bar.. lol.. but someone commented they liked teh size.. so.. :) 17:11:46 <deOmega> i will say this, when i have the IB message windows stacked above each other.. sometimes i think it is an entry bar 17:12:22 <deOmega> I .. have clickedthere before to type text :) 17:34:25 <deOmega> haha.. i just noticed in my image my feeble attempt to hide the user name. too funny 17:36:07 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 17:58:00 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 18:01:08 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 18:13:41 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:23:51 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Ping timeout) 18:37:19 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 18:47:12 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 18:53:42 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 18:54:35 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:01:58 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 19:12:26 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 19:37:32 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 19:47:13 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:48:22 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 19:49:29 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 19:50:14 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 19:50:15 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 20:03:36 <deOmega> I started creating a bug about duplicate buddy status bulbs or indicator... eg, if someone is online and available.. there is a green bulb at the top of the tab, and then yet another identical green bulb next to their name where teh status message woudl be. BUt I thought maybe i should post here, as someone may enlighten me. 20:05:13 <deOmega> i suppose a lot of these little things could wait until after teh next release? :) have a great evening all 20:05:23 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 20:24:37 <-- igorko has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:24:44 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 20:26:00 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:26:00 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 20:29:22 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 20:42:06 <-- igorko has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:44:23 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 20:55:06 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:57:07 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 21:01:39 <EionRobb> hi again. any reply to my message yesterday about what's needed to wrap a libpurple plugin/protocol to work in instantbird, without having to download and compile all the instantbird source? 21:02:21 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 21:09:23 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: I must go. Good bye!) 21:22:22 --> clokep-wp7 has joined #instantbird 21:24:20 <-- clokep-wp7 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:26:44 --> clokep_wp7 has joined #instantbird 21:28:03 <clokep_wp7> eionrobb not that I'm aware of. p 21:29:48 <clokep_wp7> de0mega Mic filed that bug today already. 21:29:48 <clokep_wp7> Possible i could compile one of your plug ins on Windows if it doesnt habe extra dependencies. 21:31:11 <clokep_wp7> I need to go, but will be here and in #pidgin later 21:31:44 <-- clokep_wp7 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:45:26 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 23:08:19 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 23:09:55 <deOmega> clokep: thank you.. he notified me about it. Don't know where my head is because I saw him post that earlier too. 23:10:34 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 23:45:28 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 23:45:37 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:46:46 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:47:09 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 23:49:45 <EionRobb> so how does instantbird wrap libpurple protocols at the moment? which specific part of instantbird source should I be looking at for a wrapper? 23:52:31 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 23:53:28 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:55:07 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:55:07 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 23:56:41 <clokep> EionRobb: Mostly in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/ but the Instantbird specific stuff is under http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/