#instantbird log on 05 20 2011

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00:04:42 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 628 to bug 618.
00:04:44 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 628 on bug 618.
00:04:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7
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00:17:42 <ercasul> Just dropped in briefly to say … googling suggests I seems there's a lot of unsatisfied demand for IM integration directly in Thunder
00:17:52 <ercasul> drat.
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00:19:01 <ercasul> Just dropped in briefly to say … googling suggests I'm not alone in looking for IM integration directly in Thunderbird - and it feels like the people who've done instantbird might be well-placed to perhaps try meet that demand?
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00:28:02 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 629 to bug 618.
00:28:03 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 629 on bug 618.
00:28:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7
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00:29:13 <clokep> ercasul: I never really understood why people would want IM capability in an email client.
00:29:29 <flo> I think I'm ready to push it
00:29:39 <clokep> flo...you're still awake? (o_O)
00:29:58 <flo> unfortunately...
00:30:50 <clokep> But great news. :) I'm excited for it.
00:31:16 <clokep> ercasul: It'd probably be possible to reuse some of the stuff that flo has done, but I don't think any of us are interested in it...
00:31:46 <ercasul> OK that's fair enough :) thanks.
00:32:02 <flo> I would be interested in a local email client that would work better than Gmail
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00:32:27 <clokep> No problem. I haven't seen too much talk about it though? I know there's a big ush to use XMPP for stuff...
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00:32:35 <clokep> ...but no one seems to actually have integrated anything well.
00:32:56 <ercasul> it's certainly true that no-one's integrated anything *well* 
00:33:08 <ercasul> There have been various attempts 
00:33:12 * clokep doesn't see how IM relates to email. :(
00:33:16 <clokep> I just don't understand it.
00:33:29 <ercasul> meh.   Integrated communications?
00:33:51 <clokep> I think it'd be nice to share an address book. :)
00:33:53 <flo> but do people really use email to communicate?
00:34:13 <flo> inside companies maybe
00:34:20 <ercasul> You're getting philiosophical now.
00:34:22 <flo> but for private stuff, not so much
00:34:35 <ercasul> aye, fair point
00:34:49 <flo> ercasul: sorry, it's over 2am... ;)
00:36:14 <clokep> Personally I think it's much more interesting to integrate Twitter, Facebook, etc. into Thunderbird. :)
00:37:05 <clokep> II just don't really see how the UI would fit well into Thunderbird, would it still be a separate window or encapsulated? If it's separate...well why make it part of the same program?
00:37:47 <ercasul> clokep : not separate - I agree that would be pointless
00:37:52 <flo> clokep: I guess it could be a bit like Google talk inside gmail
00:38:27 <clokep> Which sucks and doesn't make much sense IMO. :) Although I do use it at work...
00:38:35 <flo> interrupting you while you are taking quiet time to write emails, and then ruining a good part of the point of not using a webmail...
00:38:44 <clokep> But I use it cause it gives me access to GTalk over a secure connection w/o installing anything.
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00:38:59 <flo> clokep: can't you put instantbird on a flash drive?
00:39:26 <clokep> flo: I could even install it if I want -- we have admin rights.
00:39:52 <clokep> I could yes, or I could connect w/ OC.
00:40:26 <clokep> Don't really want it popping up and flashing at me though.
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00:41:48 <clokep> Sorry to be such a downer. :( I just like certain things separate.
00:42:07 <flo> ercasul: by the way, you may get a more satisfying answer/discussion if you talk about what you would like to do personally, rather than what "people" want to do in general.
00:42:29 <ercasul> flo: fair point
00:42:42 <flo> clokep: file a bug for a quiet mode for use in a corporate environment?
00:43:02 <flo> (ironically) I'm sure lots of people would be interested
00:43:16 <clokep> flo: You mean like bug 470? ;)
00:43:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Quiet mode
00:45:47 <flo> clokep: yeah
00:46:50 <clokep> :)
00:47:01 <clokep> I think you already said in a corporate environment too.
00:47:44 <ercasul> Am I missing a point here - the 'quiet mode' referred to in that bug is surely just the "Do Not Disturb" (or 'dnd') status? http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3921
00:47:49 <flo> it seems to me that fixing that would be much more useful than jumplists but oh well, it's too late for a troll ;)
00:48:05 <clokep> But jump lists are flashy!
00:48:25 <clokep> ercasul: It's not about telling others that you're busy, it's about forcing the program to not disturb me.
00:48:54 <clokep> Part of it could be setting to a do not disturb mode, but it also should shut off sounds, shut off biff, etc.
00:49:13 <flo> clokep: honestly, I would like if we could enter quiet mode if and only if in the dnd status :-D.
00:49:37 <clokep> Fine w/ me. dnd could even equal it.
00:49:40 <flo> but all those liars who claim they need the invisible status would cry
00:49:56 <ercasul> invisible is a little different IMHO
00:49:57 <clokep> I'm just saying it's more than a dnd status (although perhaps some programs do things like this when you set them to dnd? I haven't used EVERY IM program out there. :P)
00:50:49 <clokep> Talking about invisible status is just going to be bike shedding...
00:51:17 <flo> clokep: what about making the UI invisible in that status? :)
00:51:43 <clokep> :P
00:51:52 <clokep> You'll have to port the hidden window to Windows then.
00:52:09 <flo> it's HTML on Windows
00:52:26 <flo> but it does exist already :-P
00:52:29 <clokep> Sorry, rather I mean you'll have to make it so the buddy list can disappear.
00:52:52 <flo> it can, really
00:53:00 <clokep> Developing is so much easier with a working development environment btw. :)
00:53:07 <flo> it's just a matter of removing the stupid tray icon code that prevents it ;)
00:53:15 <flo> clokep: and so difficult on Windows
00:53:31 <flo> I just wasted an incredibly long time to fix the Windows CSS...
00:53:32 <clokep> Works fine now. :)
00:54:30 <flo> I wondered if we should make Accel+shift+i open DOMi on all windows on all OSes (it currently does that only on Mac because the menu bar is everywhere)
00:54:37 <flo> that would have saved quite a bit of time
00:54:54 <clokep> :)
00:55:43 <flo> hmm, will I feel guilty tomorrow if I push it without review?
00:56:05 <ercasul> gents, I'm going to leave you to it - have a good morning - thanks for your time.  Bye for now.
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00:57:19 <clokep> I've read over the JS and XML parts.
00:58:03 <flo> how did it look?
00:58:43 <clokep> Fine. I didn't notice anything.
00:58:45 <clokep> I didn't try it though.
00:59:00 <flo> hmm, I'll try it with my default profile to see if I notice anything scary
00:59:05 <flo> brb
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01:03:28 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 630 to bug 744.
01:03:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info)
01:04:02 <clokep> flo: Push it, we can always fix stuff later. As long as it doesn't like crash us. :)
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01:05:54 <flo> loved that "startup" crash...
01:06:09 <clokep> Hahaha. Then don't push it. ;)
01:06:20 <clokep> I don't want to rollback. :P
01:07:10 <flo> I'm almost sure the crash was caused by Growl
01:07:29 <flo> (and I'm currently on the debug build at it looks fine)
01:07:33 <clokep> Mmhmm, those unstable Mac programs, always crashing.
01:08:42 <flo> it looks a bit ugly on the twitter timeline as there's no topic...
01:08:49 <clokep> I got a compliment on the auto-contact switching thing today btw.
01:09:14 <flo> the one we haven't implemented yet? O_o
01:09:35 <clokep> The one where I was talking to him on GTalk and then switched to AIM went I got home. ;)
01:09:57 <flo> ahah
01:11:20 <flo> maybe we should add a "topic" for twitter
01:11:46 <clokep> It could be your current status maybe?
01:11:47 <flo> "Following 42 accounts, tracking: Instantbird,XUL"?
01:12:02 <flo> ah, right, we could do that too :)
01:12:02 <clokep> (And it should show your Twitter icon?)
01:12:20 <flo> uh, yeah
01:12:31 <flo> I guess there'll be a bug filing party tomorrow ;)
01:12:52 <clokep> Yes. :)
01:12:59 <flo> we should also add an empty text for the topic
01:13:21 <flo> "No topic set for this room." in gray text?
01:13:48 <clokep> Probably.
01:13:59 <clokep> I wonder if there's something better we could do, but I'm not sure.
01:14:06 <clokep> I'll think about it.
01:14:15 <flo> yeah, no rush... :)
01:15:43 <flo> uh, I have the stack, Growl wasn't responsible at all
01:16:12 <flo> the crashed thread is a thread related to the audio tag.
01:16:48 * clokep hides.
01:16:55 <flo> I thought it was Growl because growl failed to work and put several scary messages in the terminal, but it just didn't work, it didn't crash
01:17:09 <clokep> Hmmm...
01:17:19 <clokep> This was right on sign on?
01:17:22 <flo> (and I know why Growl didn't work)
01:17:27 <flo> right
01:17:35 <clokep> Is it possible that multiple sounds were trying to be played at once?
01:18:48 <flo> there are 2 sound threads in the stacks
01:19:02 <flo> it's not supposed to crash
01:19:23 <clokep> Of course not. :)
01:19:37 <flo> I wonder if for some reason a thread attempted to play a sound while the sound library wasn't fully loaded/initialized yet by the other thread, or something like that
01:19:45 <flo> anyway, if I can't reproduce, let's just ignore it :)
01:20:02 <flo> or maybe it failed to initialize for the same reason that made growl fail :)
01:20:11 <clokep> Perhaps, wait until it's a top crasher, eh?
01:23:14 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c66b5ba4ccc1 - Florian Quèze - Bug 744 - top of conversation UI (contact info) - part 1.
01:29:34 <flo> Good night!
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09:05:03 <flo> hello :)
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09:16:03 <Mic1> Hi
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09:50:14 <flo> how do you like the new nightly?
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10:04:00 <Mic1> Let me update first ;)
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10:10:02 <Mic> Looks good on direct conversations
10:10:25 <Mic> On MUC's there's only a small icon and no Instantbird-icon-placeholder
10:10:30 <Mic> Is that intended?
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10:15:06 <flo> Mic: yes
10:15:41 <Mic> The 16x16 (?) icon looks out of place, maybe a large one would be better
10:15:55 <flo> the placeholder means (or is supposed to mean, as for some protocols like IRC it may be misleading) that there could be an icon but the buddy hasn't set one.
10:16:30 <flo> I thought about putting a -16px left margin on the room name in that case
10:16:56 <flo> I haven't tried it as it didn't seem to matter much
10:18:10 <Mic> http://imageshack.us/m/818/9500/mucheader.png
10:18:13 <Mic> That's what it looks for me
10:18:52 <flo> because Mic isn't in your buddy list
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10:22:12 <Mic> clokep: I did something on the jumplist module, I haven't tried it though, since I'm on Vista atm.
10:22:39 <clokep> Oh? Based on my patch or in parallel to what I did?
10:22:41 <clokep> Updating...
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10:22:51 <Mic> Based on your patch
10:23:05 <Mic> flo: I like the new header :)
10:23:10 <clokep> It's snazzy. :)
10:23:26 <flo> Mic: thanks! :)
10:23:39 <clokep> Nobody's buddy icons are showing...is my window too small?
10:23:55 <clokep> Apparently.
10:24:06 <clokep> By like 15 pixels. :P
10:24:06 <Mic> Yes, the threshold seems rather large ;)
10:24:20 <flo> ah?
10:24:38 <flo> I thought about reducing it as it seems to waste quite a bit of space currently for me ;)
10:25:24 <flo> Even told me this morning that overall he was sad of losing space on the conversation window
10:25:26 <clokep> Mic: What happens when you try to instantiate the jump list on Windows < 7 btw? Does it throw an error that we have to check for first?
10:25:36 <Mic> I was going to add a check for this
10:25:57 <Mic> I added support for separators and such so far
10:27:47 <clokep> Cool. :) Do we even need to check though or does toolkit just eat it and ignore it?
10:27:51 <clokep> That's what I'm hoping for.
10:28:12 <clokep> But if you do add a check...we should make it so it's not preprocessed and also checks the OS first.
10:28:16 <flo> you can probably trivially check
10:28:33 <flo> but once again, I should look at the code before commenting :)
10:28:34 <Mic> I think we need to check if the jumplistbuilder was created and return early if not
10:30:11 <clokep> Ah, good point.
10:30:28 <Mic> I also added id-attributes on the objects in the array, so extensions could insert new items at certain places since the labels won't work for identifying them (they're going to be localized)
10:30:29 <clokep> I hope you don't mind me stealing your code and working on it again, just figured since you have no way to compile...the icons were up to me.
10:30:57 <Mic> na, no problem
10:31:32 <clokep> Hmm..Kind of wish the text box expanded when it was being edited..
10:31:49 <clokep> (For the topic, sorry.)
10:32:01 <Mic> Ah, I'm stuck with a half-height bar at the moment
10:32:14 <Mic> It happened after resizing the window a view times
10:34:56 <Mic> I hope you didn't mind that I added some things on your module.. I figured I could as well add it myself while you weren't online yet instead of explaining what I meant ;)
10:35:11 <clokep> Of course. :)
10:35:17 <clokep> We're definitely going w/ the omdule version?
10:38:43 <flo> should I review/nit pick on that code?
10:38:50 <clokep> I showed my friend the preview that flo posted and the first thing he goes is "Why are you guys moving the close/minimize buttons to the left of the window? I want them on the right." I was like...(o_O) Why is that the first thing you notice...
10:39:01 <clokep> Up to Mic, I'm not sure how drastically he's changing it.
10:39:46 <flo> clokep: yeah, we should not show mac previews to people...
10:40:04 <Mic> I'm adding quite a few things on the jumplist module but I'll pastebin it soon
10:44:55 <clokep> So you can probably hold off flo.
10:46:06 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(benediktp@ymail.com ) for attachment 628 on bug 618.
10:46:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7
10:57:00 * clokep keeps trying to close the "topic bar"
10:57:22 <flo> ah, so you are mourning that lost space too? ;)
10:57:54 <clokep> Haha, a little maybe.
10:58:08 <clokep> flo: Did you test it on a MUC w/o a topic? It looks...barren.
10:58:40 <flo> yes, I said: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m124
10:59:18 <clokep> Ah, yes. I remember that now. :)
11:02:52 * clokep will be back.
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11:47:04 <clokep_work> Hello. :)
11:56:43 <clokep_work> chrisccoulson: Any ideas on bug 770? (You're the Ubuntu maintainer, right?) Even just to confirm it. :-D
11:56:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, No Icon after Linux Update
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12:19:54 <deOmega> a very good morning to Instantbird :)
12:20:01 <flo> deOmega: hello :)
12:20:23 <clokep_work> Good morning deOmega.
12:20:46 <deOmega> Well,  you have surely made some progress that I did not recognize while using the othe rthemes.. and seems like anice addition last night
12:21:09 <deOmega> I am amazed
12:21:39 <deOmega> (well, i assume the icons were from last night)
12:23:09 <deOmega> flo: Sometime ago... I was saying that one way that would help alert someone  that is not paying close attention, who they are talking with, is having  that person's avatar somewhere at the top of the message
12:23:13 <deOmega> well... lol
12:23:33 <deOmega> The theme as you know is broken, but I have to show you guys something... it is cool, but laughable
12:28:57 <deOmega> this is the buddy list LOL
12:29:00 <deOmega> http://i53.tinypic.com/wsva7s.jpg
12:29:19 <deOmega> and this is  the message window lol
12:29:22 <deOmega> v
12:29:23 <deOmega> http://i51.tinypic.com/534xa0.jpg
12:29:38 <flo> pretty broken, yeah...
12:29:47 <flo> but you have your own icon in the message theme ;)
12:29:51 <clokep_work> Haha, is that a theme bug or our bug?
12:29:55 <flo> that part works at least :)
12:29:59 <deOmega> yup
12:30:05 <flo> clokep_work: theme bug
12:30:37 <deOmega> and seems that his theme pulls in the icon for whoever you are speaking to, as teh header
12:30:48 <deOmega> Pretty neat, but...   broken indeed LOL
12:31:00 <flo> we do. Not the them.
12:31:01 <flo> *theme
12:31:07 <flo> the theme should just limit the size
12:31:09 <deOmega> and yes, i still use vertical tabs, even though  broken
12:31:23 <deOmega> ohhh
12:31:52 <deOmega> it is not coming through  using the other themes.. either case, that is a nice milestone imo.   Thank you so much
12:32:06 <flo> deOmega: things are expected to look more or less like this: http://queze.net/goinfre/wip-bug744-1.png
12:32:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info)
12:32:39 <deOmega> right, i see that when using the default theme
12:33:00 <deOmega> oh wait
12:33:13 <deOmega> no, i am not getting that
12:33:32 <deOmega> THAT is an awesome milestone in my opinion
12:34:04 <Mic> >.)
12:34:06 <deOmega> I know that you tech guys do not get much out of all the bells and whistles.. but... the majority of us do.   
12:34:06 <Mic> :)
12:34:17 <clokep_work> deOmega: I have a partial fix for Vertical Tabs, it at least fixes the size issue so the tabs don't start squished...doesn't look pretty though. :(
12:34:27 <clokep_work> Hopefully I'll work on it a bit more soon.
12:35:27 <deOmega> This is why  things like miranda  IM has had problems taken off, because they believe people just want to  simply mesage with a basic messenger.
12:35:35 <deOmega> Thank you clokeP
12:35:55 <deOmega> THis is simply a fantastic milestone imo
12:37:20 <deOmega> Looking forward to it.
12:38:15 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 791 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
12:38:17 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 631 to bug 791.
12:38:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Wrong conversation header size after several resizes
12:39:40 <flo> Mic: ugliest screenshot of the day ;)
12:39:42 <clokep_work> I tried to reproduce that Mic and couldn't. :(
12:43:01 <clokep_work> flo: Should we be filing bugs about the random (small) issues we've found or will they just be dealt w/? (i.e. needing the empty text, also the Twitter stuff...not sure if other things were discussed.)
12:43:21 <flo> bugs would be welcome for both
12:44:16 <flo> if you file them, mark them as dependent of 744, so that we don't lose/forget them
12:46:01 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 632 to bug 791.
12:46:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Wrong conversation header size after several resizes
12:48:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 792 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
12:48:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need empty text for topics
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12:51:35 <deOmega> flo:  is it to much a to ask you to post an image of  your  buddy list (the way you usually do) showing the recent  changes?  This way  i can see how yours look  (I am trying to pass it on to others)
12:52:38 <flo> I don't have a tool around to automatically blur all the names
12:52:54 <deOmega> OK, no problem
12:53:16 <clokep_work> I think there's one from the logs recently?
12:53:33 <clokep_work> Might be the past week though actually, nvm.
12:53:33 <flo> and I'm on Mac, so if the people who you will show it to may be a bit confused
12:54:31 <deOmega> OK...  I will work something out.   Thanks.
12:55:05 <flo> crap, I can reproduce with the STR of Mic's second screenshot. I won't be able to claim it's yet another odd thing on Win7-only :-(
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12:56:55 <flo> maybe we miss a rule to set the height of the toolbar
12:57:05 <flo> or maybe the ###!!! ASSERTION: must be in the same rule tree as parent: 'r1 == r2', file /Users/florian/buildhg/hg.instantbird.org/mozilla/layout/style/nsStyleContext.cpp, line 92 assertion I see when resizing is to blame
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13:04:56 <Mic> I'll be away for a while, clokep, here's the modifications I made to the module, although untested (No Win 7 today;)
13:04:57 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/687
13:05:13 <flo> "a while" is in hours or days? ;)
13:05:16 <clokep_work> Thanks Mic. I'll check it out.
13:05:40 <Mic> Hopefully just hours ;)
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13:07:54 <deOmega> flow.. that image you posted... what did you do to get that  image of the buddy in the header.. http://queze.net/goinfre/wip-bug744-1.png
13:07:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info)
13:08:10 <deOmega> I am using teh default theme.. and have tried every message style and not able to get it 
13:08:16 <deOmega> for any of my contacts
13:08:33 <deOmega> lol  *flo
13:08:55 <clokep_work> deOmega: Did you update to today's nightly?
13:09:01 <deOmega> yes
13:09:05 <flo> deOmega: what do you see instead?
13:09:57 <deOmega> just the name of the buddy
13:10:16 <deOmega> if they have a statius message, i see that on teh same line.. otherwise, nothing but two names
13:10:19 <flo> in the error console, do you have errors similar to  Error reading [...]\Instantbird\Profiles\yvy8sdgz.default\icons\fd25654fd3887d4df3ad425b839aa5a211d8388c.png: Failed to open file '[...]\Instantbird\Profiles\yvy8sdgz.default\icons\fd25654fd3887d4df3ad425b839aa5a211d8388c.png': No such file or directory
13:10:27 <deOmega> need an image?
13:10:37 <flo> you need to resize the window then
13:10:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 793 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:10:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter timeline should have a topic / icon
13:10:47 <flo> bigger window -> more space for the status area
13:11:02 <deOmega> oh, yes
13:11:09 <deOmega> wow,  large window
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13:11:24 <deOmega> yes,  glad i did not file a bug :)
13:11:27 <Mic> clokep_work: I have a few review comments btw
13:11:59 <igorko> hi
13:12:09 <igorko> fix instantbird!!! ;)
13:12:21 <clokep_work> Mic: OK! Whenever you get around to it...or you can fix them. :P
13:12:31 <Mic> hehe
13:12:34 <Mic> Fine with me
13:12:44 <deOmega> igorko: be nice
13:12:59 <clokep_work> flo: I think the image window size needed is a little bit too big. :P
13:13:35 <deOmega> I see it is dependent on height
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13:15:20 <clokep_work> My goal is to make it to bug 800 today. ;)
13:15:22 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 794 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:15:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, jsProtos should be able to have a buddy icon set
13:15:49 <flo> what's the problem with jsProto and buddy icons?
13:15:56 <deOmega> clokep_work: yeah, way too tall for me too.. the window height...needs almost half a screen in height and i am using 27 inch monitors 
13:16:28 <clokep_work> flo: It doesn't have anyway to set the buddy icon? (Unless I just missed it when I skimmed over it again. :()
13:16:30 <flo> igorko: what are you going to fix today? :)
13:16:50 <igorko> everything ;)
13:17:15 <igorko> i want ukrainian localization of instantbird 0.3
13:17:16 <flo> clokep_work: purpleAccount just observes "user-icon-changed"
13:19:37 <clokep_work> Hmmm...what about the conversion and file formats and stuff that's all part of purplexpcom?
13:21:09 <clokep_work> Well if nothign else I'l change that bug to "should update the Twitter icon"
13:21:54 <flo> it's all to match the mess format specification in prpl.h of libpurple
13:22:04 <flo> *messy
13:22:41 <flo> clokep_work: there's one thing that we should really change/fix/reimplement at some point though: the icon cache.
13:23:05 <clokep_work> Oh OK. So a jsProto would simply observe that, know it's own internal format and do it all itself? I feel like we can make that easier...
13:23:27 <clokep_work> I'll warp it into a twitter bug though. :)
13:23:36 <flo> it was what I meant with "Store buddy icons correctly" on the 0.3 roadmap wiki page. It's marked as fixed even though it's never really been worked on (we only store the file the user gave, not all the received icon... for that we still have the libpurple cache)
13:23:56 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
13:24:34 <flo> I don't plan to work on it anymore for 0.3
13:25:21 <flo> I believe it would be interesting to store the icons as blobs in sqlite and to associated the time when the started being used, so that in the log viewer we can display the icon of the time the displayed messages where written
13:25:40 <flo> but there's no emergency there of course ^^
13:27:32 <clokep_work> I think we need better logs first. :)
13:32:17 <flo> if things work as expected, a line should be appended to this file automatically every night at 3:30am (french time)
13:34:07 <clokep_work> Which file?
13:34:13 <flo> oops
13:34:17 <flo> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/update-pings-per-day.txt
13:34:42 <clokep_work> ~ double last time I saw that list?
13:35:01 <flo> the number of days ;)
13:35:15 <flo> the user count is almost stable since january :-/
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13:36:43 <clokep_work> Well last summer it was ~300 per day, no?
13:37:08 <flo> ah, you didn't see it 3 months ago?
13:38:37 <clokep_work> Must have missed it.
13:39:13 <flo> I'm trying to locate the previous data to have that file start in 2008
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13:41:33 <clokep_work> Eek. I think I have it somewhere...
13:41:50 <flo> aaah, maybe on my other server
13:42:32 <clokep_work> flo: http://queze.net/goinfre/update-pings-per-day.txt
13:42:39 <flo> right, I have several copies of that file
13:42:42 <flo> it stops at 12/07/2010
13:42:59 <clokep_work> Ohhhh.
13:43:01 <flo> and the data available based on the current log files starts at 24/Jan/2011
13:43:02 <clokep_work> There's on in between?
13:43:23 <flo> I'm sure I updated that about 3 months ago, so there must be a file somewhere ;)
13:44:29 <clokep_work> Just plots at http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110307/#m44
13:44:48 <flo> I clearly have the data, as we have the picture: http://queze.net/goinfre/update-pings-2011-03-07.png
13:45:47 <clokep_work> Excel makes ugly plots. :P
13:45:57 <flo> it's OpenOffice
13:46:12 <clokep_work> OpenOffice makes even uglier plots.
13:46:45 <flo> I guess it will waste less time to just open the openoffice file and export the data as csv...
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13:49:24 <clokep_work> Apparently one of my friends dislikes the Instantbird icon. ;)
13:50:42 <waynenguyen> clokep_work: yes, some of my friends too ;)
13:51:24 <clokep_work> He sketched something up, one second.
13:51:33 <flo> ok, so the data for the picture is not even the same
13:52:47 <clokep_work> http://imgur.com/fMLme
13:55:19 <deOmega> that image conveys a lot of information.
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13:56:47 <deOmega> oh, u mean the one with the bird? I was looking at the one with teh baker
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13:56:58 * flo fixed the data in the .txt file so that they don't contain forced update checks
13:57:53 <clokep_work> Hmm?
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14:03:07 <deOmega> clokep_work:  if you are  referring to me, the pic of the icon.. conveys a lot.  You have a deep friend.
14:04:11 <deOmega> testing
14:04:53 <clokep_work> I was confused by "the baker" part. :P
14:05:52 <deOmega> i was teasing regarding the  pic to the right... thegirl in the kitchen...  baking
14:06:17 <clokep_work> Ohhh hahah. :) I had a different ad there. Was confused.
14:06:48 <clokep_work> flo: Weren't we trying to do something like this at one point http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?startdate=1+week+ago&enddate=now to show a range of dates / revisions?
14:07:11 <deOmega> strange.. the message i sent to you is not showing up here..  why i posted testing... but it is in the logs
14:07:54 <deOmega> twilight zone
14:09:00 <flo> clokep_work: yes, we have a bug on it I think
14:13:31 <deOmega> are there plans to  give teh ability to toggle off and on the status bar?
14:13:41 <deOmega> in teh messaging window
14:13:45 <flo> when is it needed?
14:13:58 <flo> it disappears if there's not enough space
14:14:36 <deOmega> right... but it is a tad  bit of   space one could use for readiong
14:14:50 <clokep_work> deOmega: Make an extension to hide it. ;)
14:15:09 <deOmega> plus.. though i know you will be adjusting th eminimum height required  to show the  buddy's avatar....
14:15:29 <deOmega> right now..  that is a few pixels more one could have and still have teh avatar
14:15:59 <flo> to be honest, the status bar is much more useful to me than the avatar
14:16:04 <deOmega> or maybe just make it smaller
14:16:44 <clokep_work> Is anything shown in the status bar right now?
14:16:48 <deOmega> And the status bar is of no use to me... (yah i know, i am not a developer).. but  just   funny
14:17:09 <clokep_work> It shows links I think? Right?
14:17:11 <deOmega> if i hover over a link or if someone is typing
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14:19:44 <deOmega> ...or implement the status bar the way the new firefox does it? on demand? .. i dunno
14:19:59 <deOmega> firefox and google chrome
14:21:23 <flo> above the textbox?
14:21:44 <flo> or at the bottom of the message area?
14:22:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Those changes look good. :) Minus the comment out function that's probably necessary. ;)
14:22:43 <deOmega> hmm, i did not think through.    if it is above teh text box... and say the link is  the last entry.. it may cover teh link information?
14:23:52 <deOmega> yeah,  it would, but so does firefox. (just checked)
14:24:43 <flo> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/update-pings-per-day.txt ok, now there's all the data I have
14:26:38 <deOmega> I guess either case.. the on demand would be nice... even if it comes below the buddy's astatus.. ie, from the top.
14:27:15 <deOmega> You knwo what sucks when  speaking to you guys.. i just have   no idea how possible most of my suggestions are.. and it seems like I am just creating work for others
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14:27:31 <deOmega> or.. suggesting work for others
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14:28:12 <deOmega> So you  guys must know, it is not the easiest thiing on my conscience for me to make suggestions
14:28:43 <flo> bah, don't worry :)
14:29:47 <flo> if you suggest something exciting and we spend time doing it, I don't see why you should have it on your conscience. At most you could be proud of it if the idea was really great and innovative ;).
14:30:29 <deOmega> :).. thanks.. but  seem slike so much work to do on the project yet
14:30:45 <deOmega> however, i have to say this is a very   exciting stage from my perspective
14:31:00 <flo> "so much work to do on the project yet" that just means we are not dead!
14:31:12 <deOmega> true
14:31:33 <clokep_work> :) It's good to have someone who doesn't know how much work stuff is anyway deOmega.
14:31:40 <clokep_work> We think of things and go "Oh...that'd be hard, never mind."
14:31:48 <clokep_work> You say them anyway and make us really think about them.
14:32:17 <deOmega> cool.. i  really appreciate teh attitude.. thanks
14:32:41 <clokep_work> Yeah, it's good. :) As long as you understand not everything is possible. ;)
14:32:51 <flo> yeah, it's often useful to have feedback from people having different perspective. It helps us notice what we may otherwise overlook
14:33:44 <deOmega> indeed...  especially wheni have no idea how  anything would be implemented... lik ethe  status bar on demand.. i really did not think that through    when flo asked about it.
14:33:54 <deOmega> and a simple question of where it should be, and i am stumped
14:34:58 <deOmega> hmm, all my text is not showiing up.. let mecheck  the log website
14:35:23 <deOmega> did you guys see this...?  
14:35:28 <deOmega> 14:33:44 <deOmega> indeed...  especially wheni have no idea how  anything would be implemented... lik ethe  status bar on demand.. i really did not think that through    when flo asked about it.
14:35:33 <flo> yes
14:35:40 <deOmega> heck, it is still not showing up
14:35:47 <deOmega> hmm
14:36:02 <clokep_work> deOmega: Your connection must be dropping packets back from the server, happens to me sometimes.
14:36:02 <deOmega> you guys seeing it and it is on the web site, but I am not
14:36:16 <deOmega> let me reboot and try pasting again
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14:37:31 <deOmega> 14:33:44 <deOmega> indeed...  especially wheni have no idea how  anything would be implemented... lik ethe  status bar on demand.. i really did not think that through    when flo asked about it.
14:37:57 <deOmega> ok it worked.. i am sorry about the flood.  that was strange
14:38:01 <clokep_work> flo: So in that list of times/hits the big jump was the 0.3a1 release? a2 release?
14:38:12 <flo> 0.2 final
14:38:27 <flo> if that's in july 2010
14:38:30 <clokep_work> Ah, that makes sense. :) I guess that really wasn't /that/ long ago.
14:38:57 <flo> I hope the 0.3 release will have at least the same effect
14:39:39 <clokep_work> Mmhmm.
14:39:57 <clokep_work> It should go up one more once I get a hold of my friends laptop. ;) She didn't realize it was available for Mac. :(
14:40:26 <flo> it's where it works the best ;)
14:41:30 <clokep_work> That's what I said!
14:41:45 <clokep_work> Well I probably said it gets the most love. :p
14:41:52 <flo> ahah
14:42:01 <flo> do you think she will look for the love inside?
14:42:19 <clokep_work> No, she'll probably yell at me that it doesn't do file transfers and other crap. :P
14:43:05 <flo> MSN's custom emoticons? ;)
14:43:14 <clokep_work> Not quite. :)
14:43:20 <flo> :)
14:43:59 <clokep_work> She's on Adium now so...idk what the major differences are.
14:44:05 <clokep_work> Besides it being a Mac and I can't use it. :)
14:46:24 <deOmega> ha.. that is why i was suggesting your images flo...  i find that the default look on  mac. is much more appealing than on windows.  So one can look at those and imagine possibilities for windows.
14:48:02 <clokep_work> We should start doing Windows screenshots on Win 7.
14:50:28 <flo> after fixing the aero CSS I guess ;)
14:52:45 <clokep_work> Yes. :)
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14:55:49 <deOmega> the aero css is  what  mic had drawn up? 
14:55:54 <clokep_work> Maybe I'll play with that soon, CSS always seems to evade me though.
14:56:02 <deOmega> the glass-like appearance?
14:57:07 <deOmega> if so...  that will be most welcome!
14:58:02 <clokep_work> Yeah, there's some partial CSS around for it, but it was missing some borders, etc.
14:58:10 <clokep_work> Oh...well this was for the conversation windows.
14:58:22 <clokep_work> Idk where Mic's CSS for the blist went. But hopefully it's not list. :)
14:58:25 <clokep_work> s/list/lost
14:59:13 <flo> i've only seen the screenshot, not the actual CSS
15:00:19 <deOmega> I have actually stopped using themes on  Firefox since Firefox 4 on windows 7.   Visually pleasing. 
15:02:03 <flo> tracking bug is depressing. I worked for a week on something, and the only result is 3 additional bugs in the 0.3 list :-D
15:03:05 <clokep_work> :)
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15:06:57 <clokep_work> Bah where is that mockup from Mic anyway? It's not on the wiki...
15:08:31 <flo> on imageshack.us
15:09:57 <roflo1> Hi everybody, I'm getting this error while connecting to my ICQ account.
15:09:57 <roflo1>     Error: startOSCARSession response was missing something: [SNIP]
15:09:57 <roflo1>     (libpurple: .../oscar/clientlogin.c line 212)
15:09:57 <roflo1> Does it ring a bell for anyone? Are you guys logged in ok with your ICQ accounts?
15:09:57 <roflo1> I'm running on Win7 x64
15:11:07 <flo> roflo1: can you try checking (or unchecking if it's currently checked) the "use clientLogin" advanced option of the account and try again?
15:12:05 <roflo1> Ok, different error now.. 
15:12:05 <roflo1>     Unable to connect to BOS server: SSL
15:12:05 <roflo1>     Handshake failed.
15:12:56 <roflo1> Ok, disabling SSL solved it. Thanks flo.
15:13:18 <flo> no problem
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15:29:25 <deOmega> flo:  bug 620
15:29:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Maybe Instantbird could look nicer using Glass on Windows Vista and 7
15:29:48 <deOmega> if u are talking about mic's glass thing
15:30:54 <flo> nah, that one was ugly. He made a much better one recently
15:31:06 <deOmega> oh
15:31:12 <deOmega> did not know that
15:33:26 <deOmega> less than a month ago?
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15:36:03 <flo> deOmega: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7285/ibglasscontactlist.png
15:36:46 <deOmega> ah.  and mic just made it in  (tiing lol)
15:37:01 <Mic2> Hi
15:37:04 <deOmega> I am definitely looking forward to that
15:38:11 <Mic2> Ah, hehe. I should finish this, shouldn't be too hard
15:38:31 <flo> or begin with attaching a diff, so that we can play too ;)
15:39:25 <deOmega> i was searching  all the logs just to find it, but flo  helped out (much time on my hands this week)
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15:40:05 <Mic2> I catched up with the logs. Sorry for the inconveniences, I uploaded it to the wiki now
15:40:20 <Mic2> I should stop using imageshack and just put everything on the wiki
15:40:24 <flo> Mic2: by the way, I think the lighter area should also be behind the icon
15:40:48 <Mic2> ok
15:41:19 <flo> reduce the margin at the right, so that the right end of the lighter area is aligned with the right border of the list
15:41:49 <flo> and either put some margin between the lighter area and the list, or completely remove it and remove the bottom rounded corners
15:42:15 <flo> (that's just some ideas/suggestions of course. It's what I would try to do if I played with the code myself)
15:43:44 <Mic2> IU
15:44:01 <flo> and if I remember correctly, you wanted to add some shadow behind the menus so that they look more or less like the word "Conta..." in the title bar
15:44:05 <Mic2> I've already played with the padding since the labels sat right at the border of the light box
15:46:05 <deOmega> man.. good stuff :)
15:48:14 <deOmega> Mic2:  Thanks for that work  indeed.
15:52:55 <Mic2> Is this page starting with "1" for anyone else or is someone meddling with my traffic? http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html
15:53:13 <flo> I see it too
15:54:40 <flo> the 1 is actually in the file: https://hg.instantbird.org/websites/www.instantbird.com/file/5c709c1547cc/faq.php#l1
15:55:36 <Mic2> Ah, are you going to fix it right now? if not, I'll add it to BIO
15:55:54 <flo> fixed
15:56:05 <flo> thanks!
15:59:30 <clokep_work> Mic2: You should put things in bugs where applicable. :p
16:00:21 <Mic2> I expected that you wouldn't like this outcome ;)
16:00:30 <clokep_work> It's fine.
16:01:48 <clokep_work> My friend wasn't able to get to it at image shack though...so...bio or wio is better. :)
16:02:31 <flo> so you are forwarding all our mockups to your friends?
16:02:49 <clokep_work> Hahah. Only those two. To one of my friends.
16:02:56 <flo> I guess we will need to find some way to upload them easily somewhere, and tweet the short urls automatically
16:03:13 <flo> "people" tend to like such teasing ;)
16:03:17 <clokep_work> He was asking me about something earlier today about what's up w/ Instantbird, so showing him some ideas.
16:06:02 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 372 to INVALID.
16:06:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Missing a way to open the topic bar again
16:06:57 <clokep_work> Can I close bug 617 too? :-D
16:07:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Display problem with topic bar
16:07:38 <clokep_work> It could still be an issue though. :-/
16:08:39 <flo> you mean if we use the notification bar for something else?
16:09:10 <clokep_work> Yes.
16:09:22 <Mic2> We can still reopen the bug
16:12:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 617 to INVALID.
16:12:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Display problem with topic bar
16:14:54 <Mic2> Wasn't there a bug about the invisible topic bar? I can't find it ..
16:15:46 <flo> it's 617, isn't it?
16:16:08 <flo> yes, it is
16:16:36 <Mic2> d'oh ;)
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16:25:58 * flo is trying to get a regression range for MSN not connecting on PPC
16:26:06 <flo> trying old version is... wow
16:26:23 <flo> I've running currently. It doesn't seem like the same application at all! :-D
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16:36:41 <fqueze_> traveling back in time: http://imageshack.us/m/571/9149/image5dl.png http://imageshack.us/m/199/3236/image6bqm.png
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16:41:18 <Mic2> pah.. there  mustn't be a space between rgab and the following bracket .. :S
16:41:28 <Mic2> *rgba
16:41:29 <Mook_as> hmm. is ib doing some odd (but pretty!) text fading, or is that the other end's client? http://i.imgur.com/yK1x1.png
16:42:10 <flo> Mook_as: it's at the other end
16:42:37 <Mook_as> cool. (the other end, as indicated, doesn't know about it, but that's fine :) )
16:42:54 <flo> out of curiosity, which client is at the other end?
16:43:26 <Mook_as> Pidgin in Ubuntu 11.04
16:43:58 <flo> it would be surprising that it does that by default
16:45:26 <Mook_as> maybe he toggled something and forgot about it. it happens.
16:45:52 <flo> or just installed some plugin using the package manager, and not noticing immediately what it was about
16:53:24 <deOmega> flo:  I thought fwiw, I would  show a comparable image of what the status bar looks like on windows 7.  These windows are exactly the same size.  
16:53:28 <deOmega> http://i55.tinypic.com/2mxln2c.jpg
16:54:05 <flo> hiding my links? :)
16:54:15 <deOmega> if i  made my window shorter.. the size of the status bar does not change at all, but the input bar does
16:54:27 <deOmega> haha
16:54:39 <flo> yes, it's too big
16:54:44 <flo> it's too big on Linux too
16:54:52 <flo> the Windows theme needs some work (or some love ;))
16:55:00 <Mook_as> as a Windows user, I think it's just the right size ;)
16:55:52 <deOmega> when the input area gets to be smaller than the status bar.. is when the status bar disappears.
16:56:11 <deOmega> Mook_as:   I absolutely respect that :)
16:56:43 <flo> if reducing the status bar is not an option because it would look native, then maybe we should hide it "sooner" on Windows
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17:16:12 <flo> Good evening :)
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17:23:50 <Mathnerd314> it's been more than a month since the last blog post
17:24:18 <Mic2> Mathnerd314: there'll be new postings soon
17:25:11 <Mathnerd314> "soon" as in a few hours?
17:25:25 <Mic2> No, soon as in a few days I think
17:25:47 <Mathnerd314> 'k
17:26:11 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: If you want to write one up we can put it up sooner. ;)
17:26:19 <clokep_work> (Or edit one that I wrote and fix it up.)
17:26:43 <Mathnerd314> hmm... I wouldn't know what to write about
17:28:45 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: http://typewith.me/cuWubTvX83 is something I started.
17:29:03 <clokep_work> Could add to it the new conversation top UI stuff (bug 744)
17:29:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info)
17:29:09 <clokep_work> Aka today's nightly.
17:30:25 <clokep_work> Just an idea. :) We had a list of a few other things too, do you remember them Mic2?
17:30:52 <Mic2> That was mainly the list of checkins of the last month ;)
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17:31:05 <Mic2> That's what I wanted to sum up atleast
17:32:15 <clokep_work> Ah yes, so we need actual "Status update"...which is just a summary as Mic2 said. I can get you the range to look at if you want.
17:40:27 <Mathnerd314> sure, that would be great
17:40:31 <Mathnerd314> clokep_work: btw, why isn't your blog on Planet Mozilla Messaging?
17:41:22 <Mathnerd314> or Planet Mozilla?
17:41:57 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: Cause we're not part of Mozilla. :)
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17:42:12 * clokep_work wants a Planet Instantbird.
17:42:26 <Mathnerd314> but it's the Mozilla "community"...
17:44:07 <Mathnerd314> ... and the Instantbird blog is already there
17:44:07 <clokep_work> Yeah I guess. Idk.
17:44:34 <clokep_work> Is Instantbird on Planet Moz or Planet Moz messaging? I follow both so I never really know...
17:44:49 <clokep_work> I don't write about that interesting of stuff anyway. :) Usually more of rants.
17:44:55 <Mathnerd314> both, AFAICT
17:45:56 <clokep_work> Oh, interesting.
17:46:02 <clokep_work> Idk how people end up on there or anything, I wouldn't have a problem w/ being on it. :)
17:47:17 <clokep_work> Good to know someone reads my blog though. :-D
17:48:06 <Mathnerd314> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Planet_Mozilla#Being_added_to_Planet_Mozilla
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17:50:32 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: Interesting. I didn't know there was a formal process for it. I'm not sure if I've demonstrated the "Approval" aspect: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Planet_Mozilla#Approvals
17:50:50 <clokep_work> I don't think I'm known outside of #instantbird, probably in #maildev a bit.
17:54:56 <Mathnerd314> here's the bug for instantbird: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420716
17:56:14 <clokep_work> Interesting. I'll ask flo what he thinks, he knows the community process a lot more than me. :) Thanks for the idea.
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19:20:38 <clokep_work> Bah so apparently an ico is a png w/ a special header.
19:20:49 <clokep_work> So I don't need to convert those files and we could (in theory) do it in the build script.
19:20:56 <clokep_work> Which sounds a bit better to me.
19:21:12 <clokep_work> Waiting to see what the Tb guys decide though. :-D
19:22:17 <Mic> No. Maybe since Windows Vista or 7
19:22:25 <Mic> Before it was a separate format
19:22:42 <clokep_work> It used to be a header w/ bmp inside according to them.
19:22:57 <clokep_work> But Win Vista/7 supports multiple versions, one of which is a header + the png contents. According to them.
19:22:59 <Mic> Yes.. I wrote an icon edit years ago
19:23:07 <clokep_work> Oh? Interesting.
19:24:17 <Mic> More like 'decades' :P
19:24:31 <clokep_work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICO_(file_format)#Icon_resource_structure ;)
19:25:58 <Mic> I think it used a website called wotsit.org .. no idea if that still exists. Was the only larger reference for file formats back then
19:26:34 <Mic> It seems that it still exists :)
19:26:48 <clokep_work> I got a 400 error...
19:27:07 <Mic> Put a www. in front ;)
19:27:49 <clokep_work> Ah. :)
19:27:51 <clokep_work> Good website to know!
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19:29:16 <Mic2> hmm:) Four lines of css and there's glass on conversation windows :)
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19:32:01 <Mic> deOmega: this is for you: http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/9432/ibconvwindowglass.png :)
19:32:20 <Mic> For your motivating comments ;)
19:32:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Can you drag from where there isn't tabs also?
19:33:07 <clokep_work> (I.e. the tab bar, but the glass part.)
19:33:11 <clokep_work> And that looks awesome. :) I want it! :P
19:33:26 <Mic> No, unfortunately not
19:33:52 <Mic> I've seen something for this behaviour .. I think it's called a dragbox-element
19:34:01 <Mic> No idea if we can put it there
19:35:28 <clokep_work> Yeah...Firefox has it I believe.
19:35:45 <Mook_as> you may want to look at unibrow
19:35:47 <clokep_work> According to the MS spec anything that is glass should drag the window I believe.
19:35:54 <Mook_as> that had the thing to do it, IIRC
19:36:13 <clokep_work> (Like I can drag from the stupid little glass between the URL bar and the content window on IE)
19:37:15 <Mic> Ah, that's good to know, I'll have a look. I guess it will make the glass-ification a bit more timeconsuming ;)
19:37:44 <Mic> Can I argue that it doesn't work on Firefox 4's download dialog either? ;)
19:38:02 <Mook_as> oops, sorry, wrong addon. I was thinking bucktooth :p
19:38:37 <Mic> ok, that's the one with the Instantbird button iirc
19:38:41 <Mook_as> https://github.com/mook/bucktooth/blob/518c434ef6bcfee210051c22b7a9f18477ca8348/content/menu-button.xml#L45
19:38:42 <clokep_work> Either way it looks real nice and I'd be OK w/ it either way. :-D
19:39:09 <Mook_as> so it's chromemargin=
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19:39:28 <Mook_as> and check MozMouseHittest if you want to enable right clicking to show the system menu
19:42:13 <clokep_work> Thanks Mook_as. :)
19:43:08 <Mook_as> you're welcome. and that's the end of lunch :D
19:43:47 <Mic> Thanks, I guess that saved me quite some time :)
19:53:26 <Mic> bye
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19:59:44 <clokep_work> bbl
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21:29:23 <Mook_as> hrm. using 0.2, so kinda obsolete, maybe it's fixed since... does the log viewer window have a maximize button now?
21:31:04 <clokep> Mook_as: No, the log viewer hasn't been douched I don't think.
21:31:51 <Mook_as> ... it doesn't have bowel movement problems?
21:31:58 <clokep> :P
21:32:01 <clokep> touched
21:32:04 <clokep> My bad.
21:32:10 <Mook_as> no, no, that's actually awesome :)
21:32:27 <Mook_as> (also: yeah, I understood it anyway)
21:32:46 <clokep> The log viewer needs to be taken out back and beaten I think. :)
21:41:11 <Mook_as> oh, only beaten? that doesn't sound so bad
21:48:54 <clokep> With a rubber hose.
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22:01:31 <clokep> Good evening flo.
22:01:43 <flo> do we know what the 4 magic CSS lines are?
22:02:15 <Mook_as> for?
22:02:21 <flo> Mic's screenshot
22:02:39 <flo> for dragging, I pushed that recently to do it on Mac: https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9e6ff75a97bc
22:04:06 <clokep> flo: No, he said he was going to put them up somewhere though I think.
22:04:31 <flo> when an element doesn't already have a binding attached to it, it's possible to make it drag the window just with -moz-binding: url("chrome://global/content/bindings/general.xml#windowdragbox");
22:12:13 <clokep> Interesting.
22:14:47 <Mook_as> yeah, I liked MozMouseHittest better because the XBL binding with the manual mouse checking and element poking seemed fishy to me
22:19:18 <clokep> Uh...flo...if I do Services.conversations.getUIConversation(aConv) shouldn't I then have access to the conversation UI?
22:19:43 <clokep> Which has a systemmessage function: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/imConversations.js#227
22:19:51 <clokep> But I'm getting a message that it doesn't. :-/
22:20:36 <flo> it doesn't: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/imIConversationsService.idl#41
22:20:53 <flo> you have an xpconnect wrapper above it that only exposes the imIConversation interface
22:21:04 <clokep> Ah, OK. :)
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22:21:35 <flo> uh, yet another ugly dependency on jsProtoHelper :-/
22:21:43 <clokep> That isn't very useful though. :(
22:21:52 <clokep> I'm trying to get a UI conversation so I can write a message to it.
22:22:00 <clokep> So I did Services.conversations.getUIConversation
22:22:07 <clokep> But that doesn't seem to get me anywhere then. :(
22:22:21 <clokep> Unless I can actually get unwrapping something to work.
22:22:46 <flo> what is this for? An add-on?
22:22:56 <clokep> bug 691
22:22:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands
22:23:27 <deOmega> mic:  I  just saw that you left a link for me.. I apologize.. did not see it before I left.   (I see he is offline now, but this is for the log)
22:23:45 <clokep> Although for IRC I also will need to get the UI conversation on occasion from a command.
22:23:49 <deOmega> That is pretty nice.. is it available now or is he showing me what he is working on?
22:24:06 <flo> clokep: for that the purple conversation is ok, isn't it?
22:24:33 <flo> deOmega: he's just teasing. We don't even know which are the magic 4 lines of CSS he used to get that result :)
22:24:47 <clokep> flo: Sorry, what is "that"? :)
22:25:02 <flo> sorry, that is "for IRC"
22:25:45 <clokep> Ah, actually. for IRC it's a difference issue where I need the IRC conversation object sometimes, to get extra information, lists of participants, etc.
22:25:51 <clokep> So don't worry about that issue right now.
22:25:57 <flo> and for /help, if you list commands that are unrelated to the protocol (global), they have nothing to do with the purple conversation
22:26:24 <deOmega> flo: Oh bummer! lol  So he knows and will share when he gets back online?  hehe  .. I simply like..  i wonder if i could get him to make the status bar  aero too. lol
22:26:35 <clokep> Right, the issue is that I /can't/ list anything because there's no "writeMessage" function.
22:26:56 <clokep> deOmega: How is the status bar not "aero"?
22:27:05 <flo> if that's for a patch it's not big problem ;)
22:27:20 <flo> I think deOmega meant "glass"
22:27:45 <clokep> The status bar shouldn't have glass IMO. But anyway...
22:27:45 <deOmega> yes, read my intentions, not my words rotflol.  
22:27:53 <Mook_as> hmm. didn't really like a glass status bar when I tried it. but then, that was firefox and in had luck charms in the corner...
22:28:07 <deOmega> clokep: I agree, would be too much
22:28:51 <clokep> So, I might have missed it flo, but did you have an idea of what I can do?
22:29:05 <deOmega> Mook_as: lol.. i did not think through the thought ...it looks nice as is.
22:29:11 <flo> add the writeMessage method you miss?
22:29:57 <clokep> deOmega: Do even Windows applications have a glass statusbar?
22:30:03 <flo> or displayMessage maybe
22:30:15 <clokep> flo: Hmmm...OK. :-/
22:30:45 <clokep> As part of the purple Conversation or the UI conversation? :-D
22:31:06 <deOmega> I have no idea clokep.. I  take back the idea though... juices were flowing wild and wreckless.
22:31:20 <clokep> Fair enough. :) Just wondering.
22:31:34 <deOmega> no, wreckful and reckless lol
22:31:36 <Mook_as> at least you're not like me, running a tk application over nx on aero. damn this is ugly.
22:32:20 <flo> I think I would "like" a glass status bar on the buddy list :-P
22:33:05 <flo> clokep: which would make the most sense?
22:33:14 <clokep> UIConversation. :-D
22:33:23 <flo> go for it then!
22:33:41 <DGMurdockIII> http://windowsclient.net/
22:34:08 <flo> clokep: do you think those messages should be logged?
22:34:56 <clokep> flo: The help message? No, but other ones possibly...
22:35:04 <clokep> Isn't there a flag to not log a message?
22:35:09 <clokep> (If not...there should be. :))
22:35:15 <flo> there's one
22:35:17 <DGMurdockIII> Create Special Effects With The Desktop Window Manager
22:35:28 <DGMurdockIII> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163435.aspx
22:35:50 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/purpleIMessage.idl#79
22:36:47 <clokep> Hmm...actually I might be able to do it... :)
22:40:09 <deOmega> doesn't aero refer to the glass effect on windows?
22:41:42 <deOmega> hmm, .. well guys,  seeing all teh development that my these was burying.. I am truly excited over the progress.  And absolutely  excited about the things mic is working on.
22:42:11 <deOmega> But it is time for me to call it a day and so i will be heading out.. have a wonderful weekend
22:42:57 <clokep> deOmega: "Aero" refers to the entire Windows 7 UI.
22:43:05 <clokep> The glass effect is called glass. ;)
22:43:10 <deOmega> OH.. and we know that we will now have vertical tabs with icons in the  near future LOl
22:43:22 <deOmega> Ah.   Thank you
22:43:40 <clokep> We will?! Who's doign that? :P
22:44:01 <deOmega> we have this guy working on it in his spare time
22:44:09 <clokep> Haha.
22:44:11 <clokep> Yes.
22:44:16 <clokep> Trying to clear off my assigned list first. :)
22:44:17 <deOmega> Cloke.. something
22:44:53 <deOmega> haha.. have a wonderful weekend.  
22:44:58 <clokep> flo: So...do I just add the definition to the idl file and then add the function in the service?
22:44:59 <DGMurdockIII> Aero Glass
22:44:59 <DGMurdockIII> Create Special Effects With The Desktop Window Manager
22:45:00 <clokep> You too!
22:45:08 <DGMurdockIII> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163435.aspx
22:45:13 <clokep> (And by service, I just mean the definition.)
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22:45:55 <flo> clokep: yes
22:46:30 <flo> you add it in the .idl file and in the .js file
22:46:32 <clokep> OK! Yes it's getting called...just not working still haha.
23:00:09 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 633 to bug 691.
23:00:10 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 633 on bug 691.
23:00:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands
23:02:21 <flo> ah, I thought you were going to add a method taking a purpleIMessage instance
23:03:17 <clokep> I could...but there was a systemMessage one already so I decided to reuse code. ;)
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23:32:03 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 633 on bug 691.
23:32:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands
23:32:17 <clokep> Thanks flo.
23:33:10 <flo> np, I hope the comments make sense/are helpful (I'm very tired... haven't slept much last night :-/)
23:33:19 <flo> And... good night! :)
23:35:08 <clokep> Good night!