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00:04:42 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 628 to bug 618. 00:04:44 <instantbot> email@example.com requested review from firstname.lastname@example.org for attachment 628 on bug 618. 00:04:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7 00:05:49 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:06:22 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 00:14:28 --> ercasul has joined #instantbird 00:17:42 <ercasul> Just dropped in briefly to say â¦ googling suggests I seems there's a lot of unsatisfied demand for IM integration directly in Thunder 00:17:52 <ercasul> drat. 00:18:46 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:19:01 <ercasul> Just dropped in briefly to say â¦ googling suggests I'm not alone in looking for IM integration directly in Thunderbird - and it feels like the people who've done instantbird might be well-placed to perhaps try meet that demand? 00:19:31 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 00:28:02 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 629 to bug 618. 00:28:03 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org requested review from the wind for attachment 629 on bug 618. 00:28:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7 00:28:17 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:28:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 00:29:13 <clokep> ercasul: I never really understood why people would want IM capability in an email client. 00:29:29 <flo> I think I'm ready to push it 00:29:39 <clokep> flo...you're still awake? (o_O) 00:29:58 <flo> unfortunately... 00:30:50 <clokep> But great news. :) I'm excited for it. 00:31:16 <clokep> ercasul: It'd probably be possible to reuse some of the stuff that flo has done, but I don't think any of us are interested in it... 00:31:46 <ercasul> OK that's fair enough :) thanks. 00:32:02 <flo> I would be interested in a local email client that would work better than Gmail 00:32:03 <-- flo has quit (Broken pipe) 00:32:27 <clokep> No problem. I haven't seen too much talk about it though? I know there's a big ush to use XMPP for stuff... 00:32:33 --> flo has joined #instantbird 00:32:33 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 00:32:35 <clokep> ...but no one seems to actually have integrated anything well. 00:32:56 <ercasul> it's certainly true that no-one's integrated anything *well* 00:33:08 <ercasul> There have been various attempts 00:33:12 * clokep doesn't see how IM relates to email. :( 00:33:16 <clokep> I just don't understand it. 00:33:29 <ercasul> meh. Integrated communications? 00:33:51 <clokep> I think it'd be nice to share an address book. :) 00:33:53 <flo> but do people really use email to communicate? 00:34:13 <flo> inside companies maybe 00:34:20 <ercasul> You're getting philiosophical now. 00:34:22 <flo> but for private stuff, not so much 00:34:35 <ercasul> aye, fair point 00:34:49 <flo> ercasul: sorry, it's over 2am... ;) 00:36:14 <clokep> Personally I think it's much more interesting to integrate Twitter, Facebook, etc. into Thunderbird. :) 00:37:05 <clokep> II just don't really see how the UI would fit well into Thunderbird, would it still be a separate window or encapsulated? If it's separate...well why make it part of the same program? 00:37:47 <ercasul> clokep : not separate - I agree that would be pointless 00:37:52 <flo> clokep: I guess it could be a bit like Google talk inside gmail 00:38:27 <clokep> Which sucks and doesn't make much sense IMO. :) Although I do use it at work... 00:38:35 <flo> interrupting you while you are taking quiet time to write emails, and then ruining a good part of the point of not using a webmail... 00:38:44 <clokep> But I use it cause it gives me access to GTalk over a secure connection w/o installing anything. 00:38:52 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:38:59 <flo> clokep: can't you put instantbird on a flash drive? 00:39:26 <clokep> flo: I could even install it if I want -- we have admin rights. 00:39:52 <clokep> I could yes, or I could connect w/ OC. 00:40:26 <clokep> Don't really want it popping up and flashing at me though. 00:40:48 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 00:41:48 <clokep> Sorry to be such a downer. :( I just like certain things separate. 00:42:07 <flo> ercasul: by the way, you may get a more satisfying answer/discussion if you talk about what you would like to do personally, rather than what "people" want to do in general. 00:42:29 <ercasul> flo: fair point 00:42:42 <flo> clokep: file a bug for a quiet mode for use in a corporate environment? 00:43:02 <flo> (ironically) I'm sure lots of people would be interested 00:43:16 <clokep> flo: You mean like bug 470? ;) 00:43:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Quiet mode 00:45:47 <flo> clokep: yeah 00:46:50 <clokep> :) 00:47:01 <clokep> I think you already said in a corporate environment too. 00:47:44 <ercasul> Am I missing a point here - the 'quiet mode' referred to in that bug is surely just the "Do Not Disturb" (or 'dnd') status? http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3921 00:47:49 <flo> it seems to me that fixing that would be much more useful than jumplists but oh well, it's too late for a troll ;) 00:48:05 <clokep> But jump lists are flashy! 00:48:25 <clokep> ercasul: It's not about telling others that you're busy, it's about forcing the program to not disturb me. 00:48:54 <clokep> Part of it could be setting to a do not disturb mode, but it also should shut off sounds, shut off biff, etc. 00:49:13 <flo> clokep: honestly, I would like if we could enter quiet mode if and only if in the dnd status :-D. 00:49:37 <clokep> Fine w/ me. dnd could even equal it. 00:49:40 <flo> but all those liars who claim they need the invisible status would cry 00:49:56 <ercasul> invisible is a little different IMHO 00:49:57 <clokep> I'm just saying it's more than a dnd status (although perhaps some programs do things like this when you set them to dnd? I haven't used EVERY IM program out there. :P) 00:50:49 <clokep> Talking about invisible status is just going to be bike shedding... 00:51:17 <flo> clokep: what about making the UI invisible in that status? :) 00:51:43 <clokep> :P 00:51:52 <clokep> You'll have to port the hidden window to Windows then. 00:52:09 <flo> it's HTML on Windows 00:52:26 <flo> but it does exist already :-P 00:52:29 <clokep> Sorry, rather I mean you'll have to make it so the buddy list can disappear. 00:52:52 <flo> it can, really 00:53:00 <clokep> Developing is so much easier with a working development environment btw. :) 00:53:07 <flo> it's just a matter of removing the stupid tray icon code that prevents it ;) 00:53:15 <flo> clokep: and so difficult on Windows 00:53:31 <flo> I just wasted an incredibly long time to fix the Windows CSS... 00:53:32 <clokep> Works fine now. :) 00:54:30 <flo> I wondered if we should make Accel+shift+i open DOMi on all windows on all OSes (it currently does that only on Mac because the menu bar is everywhere) 00:54:37 <flo> that would have saved quite a bit of time 00:54:54 <clokep> :) 00:55:43 <flo> hmm, will I feel guilty tomorrow if I push it without review? 00:56:05 <ercasul> gents, I'm going to leave you to it - have a good morning - thanks for your time. Bye for now. 00:56:11 <-- ercasul has left #instantbird () 00:57:19 <clokep> I've read over the JS and XML parts. 00:58:03 <flo> how did it look? 00:58:43 <clokep> Fine. I didn't notice anything. 00:58:45 <clokep> I didn't try it though. 00:59:00 <flo> hmm, I'll try it with my default profile to see if I notice anything scary 00:59:05 <flo> brb 00:59:11 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 01:03:28 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 630 to bug 744. 01:03:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info) 01:04:02 <clokep> flo: Push it, we can always fix stuff later. As long as it doesn't like crash us. :) 01:05:28 --> flo has joined #instantbird 01:05:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 01:05:54 <flo> loved that "startup" crash... 01:06:09 <clokep> Hahaha. Then don't push it. ;) 01:06:20 <clokep> I don't want to rollback. :P 01:07:10 <flo> I'm almost sure the crash was caused by Growl 01:07:29 <flo> (and I'm currently on the debug build at it looks fine) 01:07:33 <clokep> Mmhmm, those unstable Mac programs, always crashing. 01:08:42 <flo> it looks a bit ugly on the twitter timeline as there's no topic... 01:08:49 <clokep> I got a compliment on the auto-contact switching thing today btw. 01:09:14 <flo> the one we haven't implemented yet? O_o 01:09:35 <clokep> The one where I was talking to him on GTalk and then switched to AIM went I got home. ;) 01:09:57 <flo> ahah 01:11:20 <flo> maybe we should add a "topic" for twitter 01:11:46 <clokep> It could be your current status maybe? 01:11:47 <flo> "Following 42 accounts, tracking: Instantbird,XUL"? 01:12:02 <flo> ah, right, we could do that too :) 01:12:02 <clokep> (And it should show your Twitter icon?) 01:12:20 <flo> uh, yeah 01:12:31 <flo> I guess there'll be a bug filing party tomorrow ;) 01:12:52 <clokep> Yes. :) 01:12:59 <flo> we should also add an empty text for the topic 01:13:21 <flo> "No topic set for this room." in gray text? 01:13:48 <clokep> Probably. 01:13:59 <clokep> I wonder if there's something better we could do, but I'm not sure. 01:14:06 <clokep> I'll think about it. 01:14:15 <flo> yeah, no rush... :) 01:15:43 <flo> uh, I have the stack, Growl wasn't responsible at all 01:16:12 <flo> the crashed thread is a thread related to the audio tag. 01:16:48 * clokep hides. 01:16:55 <flo> I thought it was Growl because growl failed to work and put several scary messages in the terminal, but it just didn't work, it didn't crash 01:17:09 <clokep> Hmmm... 01:17:19 <clokep> This was right on sign on? 01:17:22 <flo> (and I know why Growl didn't work) 01:17:27 <flo> right 01:17:35 <clokep> Is it possible that multiple sounds were trying to be played at once? 01:18:48 <flo> there are 2 sound threads in the stacks 01:19:02 <flo> it's not supposed to crash 01:19:23 <clokep> Of course not. :) 01:19:37 <flo> I wonder if for some reason a thread attempted to play a sound while the sound library wasn't fully loaded/initialized yet by the other thread, or something like that 01:19:45 <flo> anyway, if I can't reproduce, let's just ignore it :) 01:20:02 <flo> or maybe it failed to initialize for the same reason that made growl fail :) 01:20:11 <clokep> Perhaps, wait until it's a top crasher, eh? 01:23:14 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c66b5ba4ccc1 - Florian Quèze - Bug 744 - top of conversation UI (contact info) - part 1. 01:29:34 <flo> Good night! 01:29:37 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 01:43:20 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 01:46:11 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 01:46:47 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:08:03 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:19:46 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 03:10:13 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 03:58:58 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 04:01:08 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 04:14:35 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 05:14:17 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 06:28:10 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 06:34:12 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 07:07:16 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 07:07:16 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 07:33:03 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 07:41:12 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 08:02:24 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:02:24 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:02:34 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 08:02:42 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:02:42 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:04:20 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 08:04:31 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:04:32 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:05:23 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 08:05:38 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:05:38 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:11:29 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 08:12:49 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:23:33 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 08:52:28 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:52:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:05:03 <flo> hello :) 09:10:21 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 09:10:27 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:10:27 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:10:43 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 09:10:47 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:10:48 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:16:03 <Mic1> Hi 09:24:20 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 09:50:14 <flo> how do you like the new nightly? 09:58:17 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 10:04:00 <Mic1> Let me update first ;) 10:05:02 <-- Mic1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:08:00 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:08:00 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:10:02 <Mic> Looks good on direct conversations 10:10:25 <Mic> On MUC's there's only a small icon and no Instantbird-icon-placeholder 10:10:30 <Mic> Is that intended? 10:14:19 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:14:19 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:15:06 <flo> Mic: yes 10:15:41 <Mic> The 16x16 (?) icon looks out of place, maybe a large one would be better 10:15:55 <flo> the placeholder means (or is supposed to mean, as for some protocols like IRC it may be misleading) that there could be an icon but the buddy hasn't set one. 10:16:30 <flo> I thought about putting a -16px left margin on the room name in that case 10:16:56 <flo> I haven't tried it as it didn't seem to matter much 10:18:10 <Mic> http://imageshack.us/m/818/9500/mucheader.png 10:18:13 <Mic> That's what it looks for me 10:18:52 <flo> because Mic isn't in your buddy list 10:20:10 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:20:12 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:20:12 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:22:12 <Mic> clokep: I did something on the jumplist module, I haven't tried it though, since I'm on Vista atm. 10:22:39 <clokep> Oh? Based on my patch or in parallel to what I did? 10:22:41 <clokep> Updating... 10:22:42 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:22:49 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:22:49 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:22:51 <Mic> Based on your patch 10:23:05 <Mic> flo: I like the new header :) 10:23:10 <clokep> It's snazzy. :) 10:23:26 <flo> Mic: thanks! :) 10:23:39 <clokep> Nobody's buddy icons are showing...is my window too small? 10:23:55 <clokep> Apparently. 10:24:06 <clokep> By like 15 pixels. :P 10:24:06 <Mic> Yes, the threshold seems rather large ;) 10:24:20 <flo> ah? 10:24:38 <flo> I thought about reducing it as it seems to waste quite a bit of space currently for me ;) 10:25:24 <flo> Even told me this morning that overall he was sad of losing space on the conversation window 10:25:26 <clokep> Mic: What happens when you try to instantiate the jump list on Windows < 7 btw? Does it throw an error that we have to check for first? 10:25:36 <Mic> I was going to add a check for this 10:25:57 <Mic> I added support for separators and such so far 10:27:47 <clokep> Cool. :) Do we even need to check though or does toolkit just eat it and ignore it? 10:27:51 <clokep> That's what I'm hoping for. 10:28:12 <clokep> But if you do add a check...we should make it so it's not preprocessed and also checks the OS first. 10:28:16 <flo> you can probably trivially check 10:28:33 <flo> but once again, I should look at the code before commenting :) 10:28:34 <Mic> I think we need to check if the jumplistbuilder was created and return early if not 10:30:11 <clokep> Ah, good point. 10:30:28 <Mic> I also added id-attributes on the objects in the array, so extensions could insert new items at certain places since the labels won't work for identifying them (they're going to be localized) 10:30:29 <clokep> I hope you don't mind me stealing your code and working on it again, just figured since you have no way to compile...the icons were up to me. 10:30:57 <Mic> na, no problem 10:31:32 <clokep> Hmm..Kind of wish the text box expanded when it was being edited.. 10:31:49 <clokep> (For the topic, sorry.) 10:32:01 <Mic> Ah, I'm stuck with a half-height bar at the moment 10:32:14 <Mic> It happened after resizing the window a view times 10:34:56 <Mic> I hope you didn't mind that I added some things on your module.. I figured I could as well add it myself while you weren't online yet instead of explaining what I meant ;) 10:35:11 <clokep> Of course. :) 10:35:17 <clokep> We're definitely going w/ the omdule version? 10:38:43 <flo> should I review/nit pick on that code? 10:38:50 <clokep> I showed my friend the preview that flo posted and the first thing he goes is "Why are you guys moving the close/minimize buttons to the left of the window? I want them on the right." I was like...(o_O) Why is that the first thing you notice... 10:39:01 <clokep> Up to Mic, I'm not sure how drastically he's changing it. 10:39:46 <flo> clokep: yeah, we should not show mac previews to people... 10:40:04 <Mic> I'm adding quite a few things on the jumplist module but I'll pastebin it soon 10:44:55 <clokep> So you can probably hold off flo. 10:46:06 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org cancelled review?(email@example.com ) for attachment 628 on bug 618. 10:46:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7 10:57:00 * clokep keeps trying to close the "topic bar" 10:57:22 <flo> ah, so you are mourning that lost space too? ;) 10:57:54 <clokep> Haha, a little maybe. 10:58:08 <clokep> flo: Did you test it on a MUC w/o a topic? It looks...barren. 10:58:40 <flo> yes, I said: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m124 10:59:18 <clokep> Ah, yes. I remember that now. :) 11:02:52 * clokep will be back. 11:02:54 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 11:04:18 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 11:16:21 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 11:18:02 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 11:37:27 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:37:27 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:47:04 <clokep_work> Hello. :) 11:56:43 <clokep_work> chrisccoulson: Any ideas on bug 770? (You're the Ubuntu maintainer, right?) Even just to confirm it. :-D 11:56:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, No Icon after Linux Update 12:19:26 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 12:19:54 <deOmega> a very good morning to Instantbird :) 12:20:01 <flo> deOmega: hello :) 12:20:23 <clokep_work> Good morning deOmega. 12:20:46 <deOmega> Well, you have surely made some progress that I did not recognize while using the othe rthemes.. and seems like anice addition last night 12:21:09 <deOmega> I am amazed 12:21:39 <deOmega> (well, i assume the icons were from last night) 12:23:09 <deOmega> flo: Sometime ago... I was saying that one way that would help alert someone that is not paying close attention, who they are talking with, is having that person's avatar somewhere at the top of the message 12:23:13 <deOmega> well... lol 12:23:33 <deOmega> The theme as you know is broken, but I have to show you guys something... it is cool, but laughable 12:28:57 <deOmega> this is the buddy list LOL 12:29:00 <deOmega> http://i53.tinypic.com/wsva7s.jpg 12:29:19 <deOmega> and this is the message window lol 12:29:22 <deOmega> v 12:29:23 <deOmega> http://i51.tinypic.com/534xa0.jpg 12:29:38 <flo> pretty broken, yeah... 12:29:47 <flo> but you have your own icon in the message theme ;) 12:29:51 <clokep_work> Haha, is that a theme bug or our bug? 12:29:55 <flo> that part works at least :) 12:29:59 <deOmega> yup 12:30:05 <flo> clokep_work: theme bug 12:30:37 <deOmega> and seems that his theme pulls in the icon for whoever you are speaking to, as teh header 12:30:48 <deOmega> Pretty neat, but... broken indeed LOL 12:31:00 <flo> we do. Not the them. 12:31:01 <flo> *theme 12:31:07 <flo> the theme should just limit the size 12:31:09 <deOmega> and yes, i still use vertical tabs, even though broken 12:31:23 <deOmega> ohhh 12:31:52 <deOmega> it is not coming through using the other themes.. either case, that is a nice milestone imo. Thank you so much 12:32:06 <flo> deOmega: things are expected to look more or less like this: http://queze.net/goinfre/wip-bug744-1.png 12:32:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info) 12:32:39 <deOmega> right, i see that when using the default theme 12:33:00 <deOmega> oh wait 12:33:13 <deOmega> no, i am not getting that 12:33:32 <deOmega> THAT is an awesome milestone in my opinion 12:34:04 <Mic> >.) 12:34:06 <deOmega> I know that you tech guys do not get much out of all the bells and whistles.. but... the majority of us do. 12:34:06 <Mic> :) 12:34:17 <clokep_work> deOmega: I have a partial fix for Vertical Tabs, it at least fixes the size issue so the tabs don't start squished...doesn't look pretty though. :( 12:34:27 <clokep_work> Hopefully I'll work on it a bit more soon. 12:35:27 <deOmega> This is why things like miranda IM has had problems taken off, because they believe people just want to simply mesage with a basic messenger. 12:35:35 <deOmega> Thank you clokeP 12:35:55 <deOmega> THis is simply a fantastic milestone imo 12:37:20 <deOmega> Looking forward to it. 12:38:15 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 791 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 12:38:17 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 631 to bug 791. 12:38:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Wrong conversation header size after several resizes 12:39:40 <flo> Mic: ugliest screenshot of the day ;) 12:39:42 <clokep_work> I tried to reproduce that Mic and couldn't. :( 12:43:01 <clokep_work> flo: Should we be filing bugs about the random (small) issues we've found or will they just be dealt w/? (i.e. needing the empty text, also the Twitter stuff...not sure if other things were discussed.) 12:43:21 <flo> bugs would be welcome for both 12:44:16 <flo> if you file them, mark them as dependent of 744, so that we don't lose/forget them 12:46:01 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 632 to bug 791. 12:46:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Wrong conversation header size after several resizes 12:48:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 792 filed by email@example.com. 12:48:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need empty text for topics 12:49:58 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 12:51:35 <deOmega> flo: is it to much a to ask you to post an image of your buddy list (the way you usually do) showing the recent changes? This way i can see how yours look (I am trying to pass it on to others) 12:52:38 <flo> I don't have a tool around to automatically blur all the names 12:52:54 <deOmega> OK, no problem 12:53:16 <clokep_work> I think there's one from the logs recently? 12:53:33 <clokep_work> Might be the past week though actually, nvm. 12:53:33 <flo> and I'm on Mac, so if the people who you will show it to may be a bit confused 12:54:31 <deOmega> OK... I will work something out. Thanks. 12:55:05 <flo> crap, I can reproduce with the STR of Mic's second screenshot. I won't be able to claim it's yet another odd thing on Win7-only :-( 12:55:34 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 12:56:55 <flo> maybe we miss a rule to set the height of the toolbar 12:57:05 <flo> or maybe the ###!!! ASSERTION: must be in the same rule tree as parent: 'r1 == r2', file /Users/florian/buildhg/hg.instantbird.org/mozilla/layout/style/nsStyleContext.cpp, line 92 assertion I see when resizing is to blame 13:02:17 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 13:03:25 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:03:33 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 13:04:17 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 13:04:56 <Mic> I'll be away for a while, clokep, here's the modifications I made to the module, although untested (No Win 7 today;) 13:04:57 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/687 13:05:13 <flo> "a while" is in hours or days? ;) 13:05:16 <clokep_work> Thanks Mic. I'll check it out. 13:05:40 <Mic> Hopefully just hours ;) 13:06:57 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 13:07:54 <deOmega> flow.. that image you posted... what did you do to get that image of the buddy in the header.. http://queze.net/goinfre/wip-bug744-1.png 13:07:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info) 13:08:10 <deOmega> I am using teh default theme.. and have tried every message style and not able to get it 13:08:16 <deOmega> for any of my contacts 13:08:33 <deOmega> lol *flo 13:08:55 <clokep_work> deOmega: Did you update to today's nightly? 13:09:01 <deOmega> yes 13:09:05 <flo> deOmega: what do you see instead? 13:09:57 <deOmega> just the name of the buddy 13:10:16 <deOmega> if they have a statius message, i see that on teh same line.. otherwise, nothing but two names 13:10:19 <flo> in the error console, do you have errors similar to Error reading [...]\Instantbird\Profiles\yvy8sdgz.default\icons\fd25654fd3887d4df3ad425b839aa5a211d8388c.png: Failed to open file '[...]\Instantbird\Profiles\yvy8sdgz.default\icons\fd25654fd3887d4df3ad425b839aa5a211d8388c.png': No such file or directory 13:10:27 <deOmega> need an image? 13:10:37 <flo> you need to resize the window then 13:10:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 793 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 13:10:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter timeline should have a topic / icon 13:10:47 <flo> bigger window -> more space for the status area 13:11:02 <deOmega> oh, yes 13:11:09 <deOmega> wow, large window 13:11:12 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 13:11:24 <deOmega> yes, glad i did not file a bug :) 13:11:27 <Mic> clokep_work: I have a few review comments btw 13:11:59 <igorko> hi 13:12:09 <igorko> fix instantbird!!! ;) 13:12:21 <clokep_work> Mic: OK! Whenever you get around to it...or you can fix them. :P 13:12:31 <Mic> hehe 13:12:34 <Mic> Fine with me 13:12:44 <deOmega> igorko: be nice 13:12:59 <clokep_work> flo: I think the image window size needed is a little bit too big. :P 13:13:35 <deOmega> I see it is dependent on height 13:14:18 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 13:14:25 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 13:14:25 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 13:15:08 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 13:15:20 <clokep_work> My goal is to make it to bug 800 today. ;) 13:15:22 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 794 filed by email@example.com. 13:15:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, jsProtos should be able to have a buddy icon set 13:15:49 <flo> what's the problem with jsProto and buddy icons? 13:15:56 <deOmega> clokep_work: yeah, way too tall for me too.. the window height...needs almost half a screen in height and i am using 27 inch monitors 13:16:28 <clokep_work> flo: It doesn't have anyway to set the buddy icon? (Unless I just missed it when I skimmed over it again. :() 13:16:30 <flo> igorko: what are you going to fix today? :) 13:16:50 <igorko> everything ;) 13:17:15 <igorko> i want ukrainian localization of instantbird 0.3 13:17:16 <flo> clokep_work: purpleAccount just observes "user-icon-changed" 13:19:37 <clokep_work> Hmmm...what about the conversion and file formats and stuff that's all part of purplexpcom? 13:21:09 <clokep_work> Well if nothign else I'l change that bug to "should update the Twitter icon" 13:21:54 <flo> it's all to match the mess format specification in prpl.h of libpurple 13:22:04 <flo> *messy 13:22:41 <flo> clokep_work: there's one thing that we should really change/fix/reimplement at some point though: the icon cache. 13:23:05 <clokep_work> Oh OK. So a jsProto would simply observe that, know it's own internal format and do it all itself? I feel like we can make that easier... 13:23:27 <clokep_work> I'll warp it into a twitter bug though. :) 13:23:36 <flo> it was what I meant with "Store buddy icons correctly" on the 0.3 roadmap wiki page. It's marked as fixed even though it's never really been worked on (we only store the file the user gave, not all the received icon... for that we still have the libpurple cache) 13:23:56 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. 13:24:34 <flo> I don't plan to work on it anymore for 0.3 13:25:21 <flo> I believe it would be interesting to store the icons as blobs in sqlite and to associated the time when the started being used, so that in the log viewer we can display the icon of the time the displayed messages where written 13:25:40 <flo> but there's no emergency there of course ^^ 13:27:32 <clokep_work> I think we need better logs first. :) 13:32:17 <flo> if things work as expected, a line should be appended to this file automatically every night at 3:30am (french time) 13:34:07 <clokep_work> Which file? 13:34:13 <flo> oops 13:34:17 <flo> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/update-pings-per-day.txt 13:34:42 <clokep_work> ~ double last time I saw that list? 13:35:01 <flo> the number of days ;) 13:35:15 <flo> the user count is almost stable since january :-/ 13:36:17 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 13:36:43 <clokep_work> Well last summer it was ~300 per day, no? 13:37:08 <flo> ah, you didn't see it 3 months ago? 13:38:37 <clokep_work> Must have missed it. 13:39:13 <flo> I'm trying to locate the previous data to have that file start in 2008 13:40:00 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 13:41:33 <clokep_work> Eek. I think I have it somewhere... 13:41:50 <flo> aaah, maybe on my other server 13:42:32 <clokep_work> flo: http://queze.net/goinfre/update-pings-per-day.txt 13:42:39 <flo> right, I have several copies of that file 13:42:42 <flo> it stops at 12/07/2010 13:42:59 <clokep_work> Ohhhh. 13:43:01 <flo> and the data available based on the current log files starts at 24/Jan/2011 13:43:02 <clokep_work> There's on in between? 13:43:23 <flo> I'm sure I updated that about 3 months ago, so there must be a file somewhere ;) 13:44:29 <clokep_work> Just plots at http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110307/#m44 13:44:48 <flo> I clearly have the data, as we have the picture: http://queze.net/goinfre/update-pings-2011-03-07.png 13:45:47 <clokep_work> Excel makes ugly plots. :P 13:45:57 <flo> it's OpenOffice 13:46:12 <clokep_work> OpenOffice makes even uglier plots. 13:46:45 <flo> I guess it will waste less time to just open the openoffice file and export the data as csv... 13:47:04 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 13:47:17 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:49:24 <clokep_work> Apparently one of my friends dislikes the Instantbird icon. ;) 13:50:42 <waynenguyen> clokep_work: yes, some of my friends too ;) 13:51:24 <clokep_work> He sketched something up, one second. 13:51:33 <flo> ok, so the data for the picture is not even the same 13:52:47 <clokep_work> http://imgur.com/fMLme 13:55:19 <deOmega> that image conveys a lot of information. 13:56:41 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 13:56:47 <deOmega> oh, u mean the one with the bird? I was looking at the one with teh baker 13:56:48 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:56:58 * flo fixed the data in the .txt file so that they don't contain forced update checks 13:57:53 <clokep_work> Hmm? 14:02:12 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 14:03:07 <deOmega> clokep_work: if you are referring to me, the pic of the icon.. conveys a lot. You have a deep friend. 14:04:11 <deOmega> testing 14:04:53 <clokep_work> I was confused by "the baker" part. :P 14:05:52 <deOmega> i was teasing regarding the pic to the right... thegirl in the kitchen... baking 14:06:17 <clokep_work> Ohhh hahah. :) I had a different ad there. Was confused. 14:06:48 <clokep_work> flo: Weren't we trying to do something like this at one point http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?startdate=1+week+ago&enddate=now to show a range of dates / revisions? 14:07:11 <deOmega> strange.. the message i sent to you is not showing up here.. why i posted testing... but it is in the logs 14:07:54 <deOmega> twilight zone 14:09:00 <flo> clokep_work: yes, we have a bug on it I think 14:13:31 <deOmega> are there plans to give teh ability to toggle off and on the status bar? 14:13:41 <deOmega> in teh messaging window 14:13:45 <flo> when is it needed? 14:13:58 <flo> it disappears if there's not enough space 14:14:36 <deOmega> right... but it is a tad bit of space one could use for readiong 14:14:50 <clokep_work> deOmega: Make an extension to hide it. ;) 14:15:09 <deOmega> plus.. though i know you will be adjusting th eminimum height required to show the buddy's avatar.... 14:15:29 <deOmega> right now.. that is a few pixels more one could have and still have teh avatar 14:15:59 <flo> to be honest, the status bar is much more useful to me than the avatar 14:16:04 <deOmega> or maybe just make it smaller 14:16:44 <clokep_work> Is anything shown in the status bar right now? 14:16:48 <deOmega> And the status bar is of no use to me... (yah i know, i am not a developer).. but just funny 14:17:09 <clokep_work> It shows links I think? Right? 14:17:11 <deOmega> if i hover over a link or if someone is typing 14:17:51 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:18:01 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 14:19:44 <deOmega> ...or implement the status bar the way the new firefox does it? on demand? .. i dunno 14:19:59 <deOmega> firefox and google chrome 14:21:23 <flo> above the textbox? 14:21:44 <flo> or at the bottom of the message area? 14:22:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Those changes look good. :) Minus the comment out function that's probably necessary. ;) 14:22:43 <deOmega> hmm, i did not think through. if it is above teh text box... and say the link is the last entry.. it may cover teh link information? 14:23:52 <deOmega> yeah, it would, but so does firefox. (just checked) 14:24:43 <flo> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/update-pings-per-day.txt ok, now there's all the data I have 14:26:38 <deOmega> I guess either case.. the on demand would be nice... even if it comes below the buddy's astatus.. ie, from the top. 14:27:15 <deOmega> You knwo what sucks when speaking to you guys.. i just have no idea how possible most of my suggestions are.. and it seems like I am just creating work for others 14:27:23 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 14:27:31 <deOmega> or.. suggesting work for others 14:27:35 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:28:12 <deOmega> So you guys must know, it is not the easiest thiing on my conscience for me to make suggestions 14:28:43 <flo> bah, don't worry :) 14:29:47 <flo> if you suggest something exciting and we spend time doing it, I don't see why you should have it on your conscience. At most you could be proud of it if the idea was really great and innovative ;). 14:30:29 <deOmega> :).. thanks.. but seem slike so much work to do on the project yet 14:30:45 <deOmega> however, i have to say this is a very exciting stage from my perspective 14:31:00 <flo> "so much work to do on the project yet" that just means we are not dead! 14:31:12 <deOmega> true 14:31:33 <clokep_work> :) It's good to have someone who doesn't know how much work stuff is anyway deOmega. 14:31:40 <clokep_work> We think of things and go "Oh...that'd be hard, never mind." 14:31:48 <clokep_work> You say them anyway and make us really think about them. 14:32:17 <deOmega> cool.. i really appreciate teh attitude.. thanks 14:32:41 <clokep_work> Yeah, it's good. :) As long as you understand not everything is possible. ;) 14:32:51 <flo> yeah, it's often useful to have feedback from people having different perspective. It helps us notice what we may otherwise overlook 14:33:44 <deOmega> indeed... especially wheni have no idea how anything would be implemented... lik ethe status bar on demand.. i really did not think that through when flo asked about it. 14:33:54 <deOmega> and a simple question of where it should be, and i am stumped 14:34:58 <deOmega> hmm, all my text is not showiing up.. let mecheck the log website 14:35:23 <deOmega> did you guys see this...? 14:35:28 <deOmega> 14:33:44 <deOmega> indeed... especially wheni have no idea how anything would be implemented... lik ethe status bar on demand.. i really did not think that through when flo asked about it. 14:35:33 <flo> yes 14:35:40 <deOmega> heck, it is still not showing up 14:35:47 <deOmega> hmm 14:36:02 <clokep_work> deOmega: Your connection must be dropping packets back from the server, happens to me sometimes. 14:36:02 <deOmega> you guys seeing it and it is on the web site, but I am not 14:36:16 <deOmega> let me reboot and try pasting again 14:36:53 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 14:37:21 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 14:37:31 <deOmega> 14:33:44 <deOmega> indeed... especially wheni have no idea how anything would be implemented... lik ethe status bar on demand.. i really did not think that through when flo asked about it. 14:37:57 <deOmega> ok it worked.. i am sorry about the flood. that was strange 14:38:01 <clokep_work> flo: So in that list of times/hits the big jump was the 0.3a1 release? a2 release? 14:38:12 <flo> 0.2 final 14:38:27 <flo> if that's in july 2010 14:38:30 <clokep_work> Ah, that makes sense. :) I guess that really wasn't /that/ long ago. 14:38:57 <flo> I hope the 0.3 release will have at least the same effect 14:39:39 <clokep_work> Mmhmm. 14:39:57 <clokep_work> It should go up one more once I get a hold of my friends laptop. ;) She didn't realize it was available for Mac. :( 14:40:26 <flo> it's where it works the best ;) 14:41:30 <clokep_work> That's what I said! 14:41:45 <clokep_work> Well I probably said it gets the most love. :p 14:41:52 <flo> ahah 14:42:01 <flo> do you think she will look for the love inside? 14:42:19 <clokep_work> No, she'll probably yell at me that it doesn't do file transfers and other crap. :P 14:43:05 <flo> MSN's custom emoticons? ;) 14:43:14 <clokep_work> Not quite. :) 14:43:20 <flo> :) 14:43:59 <clokep_work> She's on Adium now so...idk what the major differences are. 14:44:05 <clokep_work> Besides it being a Mac and I can't use it. :) 14:46:24 <deOmega> ha.. that is why i was suggesting your images flo... i find that the default look on mac. is much more appealing than on windows. So one can look at those and imagine possibilities for windows. 14:48:02 <clokep_work> We should start doing Windows screenshots on Win 7. 14:50:28 <flo> after fixing the aero CSS I guess ;) 14:52:45 <clokep_work> Yes. :) 14:54:01 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 14:55:49 <deOmega> the aero css is what mic had drawn up? 14:55:54 <clokep_work> Maybe I'll play with that soon, CSS always seems to evade me though. 14:56:02 <deOmega> the glass-like appearance? 14:57:07 <deOmega> if so... that will be most welcome! 14:58:02 <clokep_work> Yeah, there's some partial CSS around for it, but it was missing some borders, etc. 14:58:10 <clokep_work> Oh...well this was for the conversation windows. 14:58:22 <clokep_work> Idk where Mic's CSS for the blist went. But hopefully it's not list. :) 14:58:25 <clokep_work> s/list/lost 14:59:13 <flo> i've only seen the screenshot, not the actual CSS 15:00:19 <deOmega> I have actually stopped using themes on Firefox since Firefox 4 on windows 7. Visually pleasing. 15:02:03 <flo> tracking bug is depressing. I worked for a week on something, and the only result is 3 additional bugs in the 0.3 list :-D 15:03:05 <clokep_work> :) 15:05:28 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 15:06:57 <clokep_work> Bah where is that mockup from Mic anyway? It's not on the wiki... 15:08:31 <flo> on imageshack.us 15:09:57 <roflo1> Hi everybody, I'm getting this error while connecting to my ICQ account. 15:09:57 <roflo1> Error: startOSCARSession response was missing something: [SNIP] 15:09:57 <roflo1> (libpurple: .../oscar/clientlogin.c line 212) 15:09:57 <roflo1> Does it ring a bell for anyone? Are you guys logged in ok with your ICQ accounts? 15:09:57 <roflo1> I'm running on Win7 x64 15:11:07 <flo> roflo1: can you try checking (or unchecking if it's currently checked) the "use clientLogin" advanced option of the account and try again? 15:12:05 <roflo1> Ok, different error now.. 15:12:05 <roflo1> Unable to connect to BOS server: SSL 15:12:05 <roflo1> Handshake failed. 15:12:56 <roflo1> Ok, disabling SSL solved it. Thanks flo. 15:13:18 <flo> no problem 15:23:37 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 15:29:25 <deOmega> flo: bug 620 15:29:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Maybe Instantbird could look nicer using Glass on Windows Vista and 7 15:29:48 <deOmega> if u are talking about mic's glass thing 15:30:54 <flo> nah, that one was ugly. He made a much better one recently 15:31:06 <deOmega> oh 15:31:12 <deOmega> did not know that 15:33:26 <deOmega> less than a month ago? 15:34:18 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 15:36:03 <flo> deOmega: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7285/ibglasscontactlist.png 15:36:46 <deOmega> ah. and mic just made it in (tiing lol) 15:37:01 <Mic2> Hi 15:37:04 <deOmega> I am definitely looking forward to that 15:38:11 <Mic2> Ah, hehe. I should finish this, shouldn't be too hard 15:38:31 <flo> or begin with attaching a diff, so that we can play too ;) 15:39:25 <deOmega> i was searching all the logs just to find it, but flo helped out (much time on my hands this week) 15:39:46 <-- roflo1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 15:40:04 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 15:40:05 <Mic2> I catched up with the logs. Sorry for the inconveniences, I uploaded it to the wiki now 15:40:20 <Mic2> I should stop using imageshack and just put everything on the wiki 15:40:24 <flo> Mic2: by the way, I think the lighter area should also be behind the icon 15:40:48 <Mic2> ok 15:41:19 <flo> reduce the margin at the right, so that the right end of the lighter area is aligned with the right border of the list 15:41:49 <flo> and either put some margin between the lighter area and the list, or completely remove it and remove the bottom rounded corners 15:42:15 <flo> (that's just some ideas/suggestions of course. It's what I would try to do if I played with the code myself) 15:43:44 <Mic2> IU 15:44:01 <flo> and if I remember correctly, you wanted to add some shadow behind the menus so that they look more or less like the word "Conta..." in the title bar 15:44:05 <Mic2> I've already played with the padding since the labels sat right at the border of the light box 15:46:05 <deOmega> man.. good stuff :) 15:48:14 <deOmega> Mic2: Thanks for that work indeed. 15:52:55 <Mic2> Is this page starting with "1" for anyone else or is someone meddling with my traffic? http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html 15:53:13 <flo> I see it too 15:54:40 <flo> the 1 is actually in the file: https://hg.instantbird.org/websites/www.instantbird.com/file/5c709c1547cc/faq.php#l1 15:55:36 <Mic2> Ah, are you going to fix it right now? if not, I'll add it to BIO 15:55:54 <flo> fixed 15:56:05 <flo> thanks! 15:59:30 <clokep_work> Mic2: You should put things in bugs where applicable. :p 16:00:21 <Mic2> I expected that you wouldn't like this outcome ;) 16:00:30 <clokep_work> It's fine. 16:01:48 <clokep_work> My friend wasn't able to get to it at image shack though...so...bio or wio is better. :) 16:02:31 <flo> so you are forwarding all our mockups to your friends? 16:02:49 <clokep_work> Hahah. Only those two. To one of my friends. 16:02:56 <flo> I guess we will need to find some way to upload them easily somewhere, and tweet the short urls automatically 16:03:13 <flo> "people" tend to like such teasing ;) 16:03:17 <clokep_work> He was asking me about something earlier today about what's up w/ Instantbird, so showing him some ideas. 16:06:02 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org set the Resolution field on bug 372 to INVALID. 16:06:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Missing a way to open the topic bar again 16:06:57 <clokep_work> Can I close bug 617 too? :-D 16:07:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Display problem with topic bar 16:07:38 <clokep_work> It could still be an issue though. :-/ 16:08:39 <flo> you mean if we use the notification bar for something else? 16:09:10 <clokep_work> Yes. 16:09:22 <Mic2> We can still reopen the bug 16:12:07 <instantbot> email@example.com set the Resolution field on bug 617 to INVALID. 16:12:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Display problem with topic bar 16:14:54 <Mic2> Wasn't there a bug about the invisible topic bar? I can't find it .. 16:15:46 <flo> it's 617, isn't it? 16:16:08 <flo> yes, it is 16:16:36 <Mic2> d'oh ;) 16:16:43 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 16:25:58 * flo is trying to get a regression range for MSN not connecting on PPC 16:26:06 <flo> trying old version is... wow 16:26:23 <flo> I've 0.1.3.1 running currently. It doesn't seem like the same application at all! :-D 16:35:14 --> fqueze_ has joined #instantbird 16:36:29 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 16:36:41 <fqueze_> traveling back in time: http://imageshack.us/m/571/9149/image5dl.png http://imageshack.us/m/199/3236/image6bqm.png 16:41:04 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:41:18 <Mic2> pah.. there mustn't be a space between rgab and the following bracket .. :S 16:41:28 <Mic2> *rgba 16:41:29 <Mook_as> hmm. is ib doing some odd (but pretty!) text fading, or is that the other end's client? http://i.imgur.com/yK1x1.png 16:42:10 <flo> Mook_as: it's at the other end 16:42:37 <Mook_as> cool. (the other end, as indicated, doesn't know about it, but that's fine :) ) 16:42:54 <flo> out of curiosity, which client is at the other end? 16:43:26 <Mook_as> Pidgin in Ubuntu 11.04 16:43:58 <flo> it would be surprising that it does that by default 16:45:26 <Mook_as> maybe he toggled something and forgot about it. it happens. 16:45:52 <flo> or just installed some plugin using the package manager, and not noticing immediately what it was about 16:53:24 <deOmega> flo: I thought fwiw, I would show a comparable image of what the status bar looks like on windows 7. These windows are exactly the same size. 16:53:28 <deOmega> http://i55.tinypic.com/2mxln2c.jpg 16:54:05 <flo> hiding my links? :) 16:54:15 <deOmega> if i made my window shorter.. the size of the status bar does not change at all, but the input bar does 16:54:27 <deOmega> haha 16:54:39 <flo> yes, it's too big 16:54:44 <flo> it's too big on Linux too 16:54:52 <flo> the Windows theme needs some work (or some love ;)) 16:55:00 <Mook_as> as a Windows user, I think it's just the right size ;) 16:55:52 <deOmega> when the input area gets to be smaller than the status bar.. is when the status bar disappears. 16:56:11 <deOmega> Mook_as: I absolutely respect that :) 16:56:43 <flo> if reducing the status bar is not an option because it would look native, then maybe we should hide it "sooner" on Windows 16:57:21 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:57:29 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 17:02:59 <-- fqueze_ has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 17:16:12 <flo> Good evening :) 17:16:13 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 17:23:50 <Mathnerd314> it's been more than a month since the last blog post 17:24:18 <Mic2> Mathnerd314: there'll be new postings soon 17:25:11 <Mathnerd314> "soon" as in a few hours? 17:25:25 <Mic2> No, soon as in a few days I think 17:25:47 <Mathnerd314> 'k 17:26:11 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: If you want to write one up we can put it up sooner. ;) 17:26:19 <clokep_work> (Or edit one that I wrote and fix it up.) 17:26:43 <Mathnerd314> hmm... I wouldn't know what to write about 17:28:45 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: http://typewith.me/cuWubTvX83 is something I started. 17:29:03 <clokep_work> Could add to it the new conversation top UI stuff (bug 744) 17:29:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info) 17:29:09 <clokep_work> Aka today's nightly. 17:30:25 <clokep_work> Just an idea. :) We had a list of a few other things too, do you remember them Mic2? 17:30:52 <Mic2> That was mainly the list of checkins of the last month ;) 17:30:58 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 17:31:05 <Mic2> That's what I wanted to sum up atleast 17:32:15 <clokep_work> Ah yes, so we need actual "Status update"...which is just a summary as Mic2 said. I can get you the range to look at if you want. 17:40:27 <Mathnerd314> sure, that would be great 17:40:31 <Mathnerd314> clokep_work: btw, why isn't your blog on Planet Mozilla Messaging? 17:41:22 <Mathnerd314> or Planet Mozilla? 17:41:57 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: Cause we're not part of Mozilla. :) 17:42:01 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 17:42:12 * clokep_work wants a Planet Instantbird. 17:42:26 <Mathnerd314> but it's the Mozilla "community"... 17:44:07 <Mathnerd314> ... and the Instantbird blog is already there 17:44:07 <clokep_work> Yeah I guess. Idk. 17:44:34 <clokep_work> Is Instantbird on Planet Moz or Planet Moz messaging? I follow both so I never really know... 17:44:49 <clokep_work> I don't write about that interesting of stuff anyway. :) Usually more of rants. 17:44:55 <Mathnerd314> both, AFAICT 17:45:56 <clokep_work> Oh, interesting. 17:46:02 <clokep_work> Idk how people end up on there or anything, I wouldn't have a problem w/ being on it. :) 17:47:17 <clokep_work> Good to know someone reads my blog though. :-D 17:48:06 <Mathnerd314> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Planet_Mozilla#Being_added_to_Planet_Mozilla 17:48:32 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 17:50:32 <clokep_work> Mathnerd314: Interesting. I didn't know there was a formal process for it. I'm not sure if I've demonstrated the "Approval" aspect: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Planet_Mozilla#Approvals 17:50:50 <clokep_work> I don't think I'm known outside of #instantbird, probably in #maildev a bit. 17:54:56 <Mathnerd314> here's the bug for instantbird: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420716 17:56:14 <clokep_work> Interesting. I'll ask flo what he thinks, he knows the community process a lot more than me. :) Thanks for the idea. 17:56:18 * clokep_work is now known as clokep_meeting 17:59:41 <Mic2> bye 17:59:50 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:03:16 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 18:20:39 --> roflo11 has joined #instantbird 18:20:40 <-- roflo1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:21:36 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 18:21:36 <-- roflo11 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:23:17 <-- roflo1 has left #instantbird () 18:31:25 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 18:46:12 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:46:13 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 18:46:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 18:50:25 <-- clokep_meeting has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:13:17 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:13:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:20:38 <clokep_work> Bah so apparently an ico is a png w/ a special header. 19:20:49 <clokep_work> So I don't need to convert those files and we could (in theory) do it in the build script. 19:20:56 <clokep_work> Which sounds a bit better to me. 19:21:12 <clokep_work> Waiting to see what the Tb guys decide though. :-D 19:22:17 <Mic> No. Maybe since Windows Vista or 7 19:22:25 <Mic> Before it was a separate format 19:22:42 <clokep_work> It used to be a header w/ bmp inside according to them. 19:22:57 <clokep_work> But Win Vista/7 supports multiple versions, one of which is a header + the png contents. According to them. 19:22:59 <Mic> Yes.. I wrote an icon edit years ago 19:23:07 <clokep_work> Oh? Interesting. 19:24:17 <Mic> More like 'decades' :P 19:24:31 <clokep_work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICO_(file_format)#Icon_resource_structure ;) 19:25:58 <Mic> I think it used a website called wotsit.org .. no idea if that still exists. Was the only larger reference for file formats back then 19:26:34 <Mic> It seems that it still exists :) 19:26:48 <clokep_work> I got a 400 error... 19:27:07 <Mic> Put a www. in front ;) 19:27:49 <clokep_work> Ah. :) 19:27:51 <clokep_work> Good website to know! 19:28:26 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 19:29:16 <Mic2> hmm:) Four lines of css and there's glass on conversation windows :) 19:30:38 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 19:32:01 <Mic> deOmega: this is for you: http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/9432/ibconvwindowglass.png :) 19:32:20 <Mic> For your motivating comments ;) 19:32:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Can you drag from where there isn't tabs also? 19:33:07 <clokep_work> (I.e. the tab bar, but the glass part.) 19:33:11 <clokep_work> And that looks awesome. :) I want it! :P 19:33:26 <Mic> No, unfortunately not 19:33:52 <Mic> I've seen something for this behaviour .. I think it's called a dragbox-element 19:34:01 <Mic> No idea if we can put it there 19:35:28 <clokep_work> Yeah...Firefox has it I believe. 19:35:45 <Mook_as> you may want to look at unibrow 19:35:47 <clokep_work> According to the MS spec anything that is glass should drag the window I believe. 19:35:54 <Mook_as> that had the thing to do it, IIRC 19:36:13 <clokep_work> (Like I can drag from the stupid little glass between the URL bar and the content window on IE) 19:37:15 <Mic> Ah, that's good to know, I'll have a look. I guess it will make the glass-ification a bit more timeconsuming ;) 19:37:44 <Mic> Can I argue that it doesn't work on Firefox 4's download dialog either? ;) 19:38:02 <Mook_as> oops, sorry, wrong addon. I was thinking bucktooth :p 19:38:37 <Mic> ok, that's the one with the Instantbird button iirc 19:38:41 <Mook_as> https://github.com/mook/bucktooth/blob/518c434ef6bcfee210051c22b7a9f18477ca8348/content/menu-button.xml#L45 19:38:42 <clokep_work> Either way it looks real nice and I'd be OK w/ it either way. :-D 19:39:09 <Mook_as> so it's chromemargin= 19:39:27 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 19:39:28 <Mook_as> and check MozMouseHittest if you want to enable right clicking to show the system menu 19:42:13 <clokep_work> Thanks Mook_as. :) 19:43:08 <Mook_as> you're welcome. and that's the end of lunch :D 19:43:47 <Mic> Thanks, I guess that saved me quite some time :) 19:53:26 <Mic> bye 19:53:28 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 19:59:44 <clokep_work> bbl 19:59:48 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:02:03 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 20:06:40 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 20:39:06 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:44:25 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:56:45 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 20:56:45 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:05:04 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 21:07:27 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 21:24:50 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Ping timeout) 21:29:23 <Mook_as> hrm. using 0.2, so kinda obsolete, maybe it's fixed since... does the log viewer window have a maximize button now? 21:31:04 <clokep> Mook_as: No, the log viewer hasn't been douched I don't think. 21:31:51 <Mook_as> ... it doesn't have bowel movement problems? 21:31:58 <clokep> :P 21:32:01 <clokep> touched 21:32:04 <clokep> My bad. 21:32:10 <Mook_as> no, no, that's actually awesome :) 21:32:27 <Mook_as> (also: yeah, I understood it anyway) 21:32:46 <clokep> The log viewer needs to be taken out back and beaten I think. :) 21:41:11 <Mook_as> oh, only beaten? that doesn't sound so bad 21:48:54 <clokep> With a rubber hose. 21:51:58 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 21:58:35 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:58:35 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 22:01:31 <clokep> Good evening flo. 22:01:43 <flo> do we know what the 4 magic CSS lines are? 22:02:15 <Mook_as> for? 22:02:21 <flo> Mic's screenshot 22:02:39 <flo> for dragging, I pushed that recently to do it on Mac: https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9e6ff75a97bc 22:04:06 <clokep> flo: No, he said he was going to put them up somewhere though I think. 22:04:31 <flo> when an element doesn't already have a binding attached to it, it's possible to make it drag the window just with -moz-binding: url("chrome://global/content/bindings/general.xml#windowdragbox"); 22:12:13 <clokep> Interesting. 22:14:47 <Mook_as> yeah, I liked MozMouseHittest better because the XBL binding with the manual mouse checking and element poking seemed fishy to me 22:19:18 <clokep> Uh...flo...if I do Services.conversations.getUIConversation(aConv) shouldn't I then have access to the conversation UI? 22:19:43 <clokep> Which has a systemmessage function: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/imConversations.js#227 22:19:51 <clokep> But I'm getting a message that it doesn't. :-/ 22:20:36 <flo> it doesn't: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/imIConversationsService.idl#41 22:20:53 <flo> you have an xpconnect wrapper above it that only exposes the imIConversation interface 22:21:04 <clokep> Ah, OK. :) 22:21:24 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 22:21:35 <flo> uh, yet another ugly dependency on jsProtoHelper :-/ 22:21:43 <clokep> That isn't very useful though. :( 22:21:52 <clokep> I'm trying to get a UI conversation so I can write a message to it. 22:22:00 <clokep> So I did Services.conversations.getUIConversation 22:22:07 <clokep> But that doesn't seem to get me anywhere then. :( 22:22:21 <clokep> Unless I can actually get unwrapping something to work. 22:22:46 <flo> what is this for? An add-on? 22:22:56 <clokep> bug 691 22:22:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands 22:23:27 <deOmega> mic: I just saw that you left a link for me.. I apologize.. did not see it before I left. (I see he is offline now, but this is for the log) 22:23:45 <clokep> Although for IRC I also will need to get the UI conversation on occasion from a command. 22:23:49 <deOmega> That is pretty nice.. is it available now or is he showing me what he is working on? 22:24:06 <flo> clokep: for that the purple conversation is ok, isn't it? 22:24:33 <flo> deOmega: he's just teasing. We don't even know which are the magic 4 lines of CSS he used to get that result :) 22:24:47 <clokep> flo: Sorry, what is "that"? :) 22:25:02 <flo> sorry, that is "for IRC" 22:25:45 <clokep> Ah, actually. for IRC it's a difference issue where I need the IRC conversation object sometimes, to get extra information, lists of participants, etc. 22:25:51 <clokep> So don't worry about that issue right now. 22:25:57 <flo> and for /help, if you list commands that are unrelated to the protocol (global), they have nothing to do with the purple conversation 22:26:24 <deOmega> flo: Oh bummer! lol So he knows and will share when he gets back online? hehe .. I simply like.. i wonder if i could get him to make the status bar aero too. lol 22:26:35 <clokep> Right, the issue is that I /can't/ list anything because there's no "writeMessage" function. 22:26:56 <clokep> deOmega: How is the status bar not "aero"? 22:27:05 <flo> if that's for a patch it's not big problem ;) 22:27:20 <flo> I think deOmega meant "glass" 22:27:45 <clokep> The status bar shouldn't have glass IMO. But anyway... 22:27:45 <deOmega> yes, read my intentions, not my words rotflol. 22:27:53 <Mook_as> hmm. didn't really like a glass status bar when I tried it. but then, that was firefox and in had luck charms in the corner... 22:28:07 <deOmega> clokep: I agree, would be too much 22:28:51 <clokep> So, I might have missed it flo, but did you have an idea of what I can do? 22:29:05 <deOmega> Mook_as: lol.. i did not think through the thought ...it looks nice as is. 22:29:11 <flo> add the writeMessage method you miss? 22:29:57 <clokep> deOmega: Do even Windows applications have a glass statusbar? 22:30:03 <flo> or displayMessage maybe 22:30:15 <clokep> flo: Hmmm...OK. :-/ 22:30:45 <clokep> As part of the purple Conversation or the UI conversation? :-D 22:31:06 <deOmega> I have no idea clokep.. I take back the idea though... juices were flowing wild and wreckless. 22:31:20 <clokep> Fair enough. :) Just wondering. 22:31:34 <deOmega> no, wreckful and reckless lol 22:31:36 <Mook_as> at least you're not like me, running a tk application over nx on aero. damn this is ugly. 22:32:20 <flo> I think I would "like" a glass status bar on the buddy list :-P 22:33:05 <flo> clokep: which would make the most sense? 22:33:14 <clokep> UIConversation. :-D 22:33:23 <flo> go for it then! 22:33:41 <DGMurdockIII> http://windowsclient.net/ 22:34:08 <flo> clokep: do you think those messages should be logged? 22:34:56 <clokep> flo: The help message? No, but other ones possibly... 22:35:04 <clokep> Isn't there a flag to not log a message? 22:35:09 <clokep> (If not...there should be. :)) 22:35:15 <flo> there's one 22:35:17 <DGMurdockIII> Create Special Effects With The Desktop Window Manager 22:35:28 <DGMurdockIII> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163435.aspx 22:35:50 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/purpleIMessage.idl#79 22:36:47 <clokep> Hmm...actually I might be able to do it... :) 22:40:09 <deOmega> doesn't aero refer to the glass effect on windows? 22:41:42 <deOmega> hmm, .. well guys, seeing all teh development that my these was burying.. I am truly excited over the progress. And absolutely excited about the things mic is working on. 22:42:11 <deOmega> But it is time for me to call it a day and so i will be heading out.. have a wonderful weekend 22:42:57 <clokep> deOmega: "Aero" refers to the entire Windows 7 UI. 22:43:05 <clokep> The glass effect is called glass. ;) 22:43:10 <deOmega> OH.. and we know that we will now have vertical tabs with icons in the near future LOl 22:43:22 <deOmega> Ah. Thank you 22:43:40 <clokep> We will?! Who's doign that? :P 22:44:01 <deOmega> we have this guy working on it in his spare time 22:44:09 <clokep> Haha. 22:44:11 <clokep> Yes. 22:44:16 <clokep> Trying to clear off my assigned list first. :) 22:44:17 <deOmega> Cloke.. something 22:44:53 <deOmega> haha.. have a wonderful weekend. 22:44:58 <clokep> flo: So...do I just add the definition to the idl file and then add the function in the service? 22:44:59 <DGMurdockIII> Aero Glass 22:44:59 <DGMurdockIII> Create Special Effects With The Desktop Window Manager 22:45:00 <clokep> You too! 22:45:08 <DGMurdockIII> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc163435.aspx 22:45:13 <clokep> (And by service, I just mean the definition.) 22:45:25 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 22:45:55 <flo> clokep: yes 22:46:30 <flo> you add it in the .idl file and in the .js file 22:46:32 <clokep> OK! Yes it's getting called...just not working still haha. 23:00:09 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 633 to bug 691. 23:00:10 <instantbot> email@example.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 633 on bug 691. 23:00:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands 23:02:21 <flo> ah, I thought you were going to add a method taking a purpleIMessage instance 23:03:17 <clokep> I could...but there was a systemMessage one already so I decided to reuse code. ;) 23:28:59 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! Â :: core-networks.de Â«Â«Â« (Gamers.IRC) Â»Â»Â» gamersirc.net ::) 23:30:39 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Ping timeout) 23:31:37 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:32:03 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org denied review for attachment 633 on bug 691. 23:32:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement /help command to get information on registered commands 23:32:17 <clokep> Thanks flo. 23:33:10 <flo> np, I hope the comments make sense/are helpful (I'm very tired... haven't slept much last night :-/) 23:33:19 <flo> And... good night! :) 23:35:08 <clokep> Good night!