#instantbird log on 05 18 2011

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01:22:18 <clokep> I don't see the Instantbird comment on Lifehacker. :-/
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02:06:30 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> flo: I  did
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02:12:47 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> did we recently change something about the tabs? they look different
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02:34:48 <clokep> DetroitLibertyPenguin: Yes, they have the Fx 4 style now.
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08:16:30 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 623 to bug 618.
08:16:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Basic Jump List support on Windows 7
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09:53:16 <Mic> Hello
09:54:19 <flo> hi :)
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10:09:23 <Mic> There's a demo video on Instantbird at Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99s7VfUKizI
10:09:42 <Mic> Showing 0.2 in november of last year, though
10:12:08 <flo> and believing "blocking: No" means the person has not blocked you :)
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10:42:46 <clokep> Mic: If you want there's a "win 7 integration" extension in the experiments repo.
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10:46:46 <clokep> Hmm...apparently I totally just lied and never moved it into there. :-D
10:46:49 <clokep> Oops.
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11:56:39 <clokep_work> Anyway, as I was saying I guess I didn't put it in there, I added your changes to my local repository and could upload it if we want though.
11:57:11 <Mic2> Ok, I just added a bootstrap.js file even though I can't test it at the moment
11:57:26 <clokep_work> Ah, to do the shut down / uninstall? :)
11:57:37 <Mic2> Yes, I'm trying that
11:57:45 * clokep_work is wondering how we could do it in core though. I guess make it part of the uninit stuff.
11:58:23 <clokep_work> flo: Any idea if we can add more icons to the executable? :-D
12:00:45 <flo> why not?
12:01:21 <clokep_work> OK, let me rephrase. Where can I look to find that? I'm not very savvy on the build script stuff. :-/
12:01:22 <Mic2> clokep_work: do you know how the Skype status icons are looking?
12:01:42 <Mic2> I could imagine a red/green and grey version of the Ib icon could lok fine too
12:01:50 <Mic2> *I imagine
12:02:03 <clokep_work> Mic2: I'd prefer to just use the same circles to keep the UI consistent.
12:02:49 <Mic2> I know..
12:03:14 <clokep_work> Well either way we'd need to add the icons. ;)
12:04:39 <flo> clokep_work: you probably need to edit http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/splash.rc#64
12:04:53 <clokep_work> Aha, I was just about to open that one. :)
12:05:38 <flo> splash is such an explicit name :)
12:11:27 <clokep_work> Hah, yes.
12:11:43 <clokep_work> Looks like we'd have to define some more icons and some how give them in that file though, yes.
12:11:54 * clokep_work doesn't understand why those icons HAVE to be part of the exe.
12:11:57 <clokep_work> Such a weird requirement.
12:15:09 <Mic2> clokep_work: I'm not sure what you were doing on your jump list component... you're implementing an nsIObserver and run the jumplist code "on anything"?
12:15:50 <clokep_work> I think in the manifest I register it to only observe one thing?
12:17:33 <Mic2> Do we need an actual component for this? it seems it could as well be a bootstrapped addon running the code on startup/shutdown
12:17:53 <clokep_work> Mic2: It would need to be a component to be in core.
12:19:05 <Mic2> Ah, ok, then it's fine
12:20:17 <clokep_work> We could register for app shut down too actually and just have the observer do different things on load/unload?
12:21:01 <Mic2> I don't think we need to do that if we aren't an restartless extension.
12:21:17 <Mic2> I only wanted to clean up properly if someone disables or removes it
12:22:21 <Mic2> If we're a normal part of the program we won't run into "has been removed and the jumplist persisted" problems
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12:24:01 <clokep_work> Unless it should be removed on uninstall? But I'm not too concerned about it. :-D
12:24:13 <clokep_work> Yeah I was hoping to move it into core. :)
12:24:42 <Mic2> I was thinking to make it add-ons first and see how people like it
12:25:39 <clokep_work> We could do that too. :)
12:25:46 <clokep_work> In which case cleaning up is good.
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12:45:19 <Mic3> I'll change it into an extension tonight, we can play around with it and moving the code back into a component when we need it should be easy
12:46:30 <Mic3> I can't work with repositories right now, so uploading it there won't help me much. I'll keep attaching xpi's to the bug instead
12:46:31 <clokep_work> Yeah, sounds good. :)
12:46:45 <clokep_work> OK. Feel free to mark the old ones as obsolete btw.
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12:47:21 <Mic3> Have fun ;)
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14:10:14 <flo> our current nightlies don't seem to be able to connect on PPC.
14:10:48 <flo> it fails with "Not Authorized" on XMPP, "Invalid password" on AIM and "Unable to authenticate: Unknown error" on MSN.
14:11:23 <flo> the same accounts worked correctly before updating (I updated from an old 0.3a1pre build from December 2010)
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14:12:20 <clokep_work> :-/ Have you tried any in between? Is it Mozilla no longer supporting PPC?
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14:12:39 <flo> Mozilla already didn't support PPC anymore in december
14:12:49 <flo> but it seems to be "libpurple unable to send any password"
14:13:12 <flo> so I was wondering if there could be some new crypto in the libpurple updates that wouldn't work right on PPC.
14:13:20 <flo> *crypto code
14:13:31 <flo> the previous version that worked was based on libpurple 2.7.3
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14:14:51 <flo> the 2.7.9 -> 2.7.11 update (https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4af8bacbd226) seems to change logs of things in ciphers :-S
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14:16:41 <clokep_work> Does libpurple support PPC officially?
14:17:00 <flo> I don't know
14:19:58 <clokep_work> :-/
14:20:04 <clokep_work> We could drop PPC support? :-D
14:20:11 <clokep_work> (Just saying, it's an option.)
14:20:25 <flo> we need to do it
14:20:41 <flo> but I hoped we could release 0.3 for PPC and announce at that time that it would be the last PPC-compatible release
14:22:29 <flo> so, with 0.3a2pre from 20110312 (last day before the latest libpurple update) I can connect to AIM. My Gtalk password was wrong and fixing it makes the account connect. And I still can't connect to MSN, not sure of why :)
14:23:18 <clokep_work> Probably because it's MSN. :-/
14:24:53 <flo> Gtalk can actually connect with the latest version
14:26:00 <clokep_work> Maybe the Adium devs would know?
14:26:16 <clokep_work> They upped support to 10.5.8 recently though...http://trac.adium.im/wiki/PreviousReleases
14:26:38 <flo> 10.5.8 is what I have
14:26:49 <flo> (on both my MacBook and the PPC machine)
14:29:13 <flo> 20110314 (on libpurple 2.7.11) can't connect
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14:32:15 <clokep_work> I see.
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15:20:05 <flo> I'm afraid whoever said the buddy icon is not kept after a restart is right :(
15:26:12 <clokep_work> Mic said that.
15:26:21 <clokep_work> Although he said it only for his ICQ account?
15:34:18 <flo> I hate debugging XBL code :(
15:43:47 * clokep_work hates debugging. :'(
15:43:55 <clokep_work> I also hate people who put things into stupid data formats. :)
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15:54:32 <flo> I'm currently working on this: http://queze.net/goinfre/wip-bug744-1.png
15:54:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, top of conversation UI (contact info)
16:19:55 <clokep_meeting> flo: That looks good, especially that it matches the top of the blist so well.
16:20:11 <flo> as well as if it were a copy/paste ;)
16:20:55 <clokep_meeting> Hah. r- for code duplication?
16:21:43 <flo> ok. I won't request review then :-P.
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16:24:22 <flo> the corresponding code is http://pastebin.instantbird.com/684
16:25:38 <clokep_work> And for MUCs that'll show the topic?
16:26:26 <flo> yes
16:26:47 <clokep_work> Awesome. :)
16:26:59 <flo> there'll be a small version wasting less vertical space when the window is vertically small
16:27:14 <flo> and when the window is very small, it will completely disappear
16:27:44 <flo> I think it would be good to put a resizer there so that someone can have the small version even with a big window, but... I'll leave that for future enhancements
16:33:03 <clokep_work> Psh, just keep the window big. :P
17:18:33 <clokep_work> 0.3 will actually have quite a few UI changes...along with Moz 2 + upgraded libpurple.
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18:05:13 <flo> Is there a way to have Facebook's MUCs forwarded over XMPP? :-D
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18:08:08 <clokep_work> flo: AFAIK "no", but I don't even know HOW to get to a Facebook MUC. :P
18:08:18 <clokep_work> Do you have STR? (As if it's a bug. :P)
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19:16:51 <flo> clokep_work: if the STR include attending a drama club, then playing, and having a few used-to-be-actors attempt to setup a meeting to get drunk together, will my bug be INVALID? :-]
19:17:48 <clokep_work> Haha. No, but UNCONFIRMED as I can't reproduce.
19:20:51 <clokep_work> What page is it on though?
19:21:37 <flo> uh?
19:21:55 <clokep_work> Is that a "group" an "event"?
19:21:58 <flo> it's when you are in a facebook group and people are chatting with the group
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19:22:06 <clokep_work> Oh OK.
19:22:14 <clokep_work> Might need to make an Instantbird group to test this. :P
19:22:58 <DGMurdockIII> to test what
19:23:47 <clokep_work> Facebook group chats.
19:24:11 <DGMurdockIII> ok
19:24:58 <DGMurdockIII> you guys hear the sip communtaor changded it name
19:26:01 <clokep_work> No, what to?
19:26:19 <DGMurdockIII> flo , i love this http://queze.net/goinfre/wip-bug744-1.png this alot
19:26:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, top of conversation UI (contact info)
19:26:34 <DGMurdockIII> just a sec i'll get it for you
19:27:07 <DGMurdockIII> they changed it to Jitsi
19:27:36 <clokep_work> flo: I don't think Facebook Group Chats are available via XMPP.
19:28:15 <flo> yeah, I don't think they are either
19:28:23 <flo> it just sucks to have to use the web ui... :(
19:28:35 <DGMurdockIII> have any of you heard of the show floss weekly?
19:29:47 <clokep_work> flo: One of things we should add if we want to re-do the Facebook chat stuff. I'm sure it's just different end points.
19:29:50 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: No.
19:30:25 <flo> it may be available in the OAuth/REST API
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19:32:55 <DGMurdockIII> FLOSS Weekly is a popular weekly podcast about FLOSS. the Jitsi AKA sip communtaor was on the show it might be worth a lissen i they get in to some geeky stuff in the middel about how voice work on it and stuff could be usefull info to help fr verson 1.0 here the link to it http://twit.tv/floss162
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20:39:49 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 624 to bug 744.
20:39:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info)
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20:48:05 <flo> Good night :)
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20:58:33 <Mic> I just showed someone the bug 744 wip and the response was 'omg, great, I really want that'
20:58:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, top of conversation UI (contact info)
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