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I just said that the cause wasn't obvious by code inspection ;) 09:51:43 <Mic> ah, ok. I've got to go though.. I can file a bug later to remember that there might be something hiding 09:52:02 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:15:42 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:15:42 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:37:41 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 10:56:36 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 10:56:47 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 10:58:28 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 10:59:21 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 11:00:09 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 11:05:58 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 11:15:11 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: é¨ç·£ä¹) 11:36:48 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 11:40:07 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 11:47:13 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 11:48:35 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:48:36 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 12:01:05 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 12:03:46 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 785 filed by email@example.com. 12:03:47 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 621 to bug 785. 12:03:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Close tab option doesn't work properly when using the tab drop down button 12:06:52 <clokep_work> Ah, I had misunderstood your description last time waynenguyen. I haven't tried to reproduce it that way. 12:07:35 <waynenguyen> clokep_work: I see :D 12:07:55 <Mic2> I just confirmed it on Win XP with a current nightly 12:10:51 <clokep_work> Yeah, maybe the click handler is just giving the wrong tab reference. 12:13:53 <flo> aaaah, I misread it too. I didn't even know it was possible to open a context menu for a menuitem... 12:13:59 <waynenguyen> Yeah, because the open in new window option behaves that way too. 12:14:07 <flo> that seems silly, but I guess some people might find this useful (if it works right of course) 12:14:57 <flo> the brokenness of the image in the button you click to open the menu is interesting too 12:16:56 <waynenguyen> flo: Which brokenness? 12:17:27 <flo> the icon you click to open the all tabs menu. https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=621 12:17:48 <flo> it should be vertically centered. On your screenshot it's at the top and we see a part of another version of the icon. 12:20:09 <waynenguyen> Ah I see 12:22:29 <flo> bah, it's broken even without clicking it. I see that too on my Win7 VM 12:22:30 <flo> :( 12:23:02 <waynenguyen> It doesn't like that in Mac? :) 12:23:22 <flo> it's very different on Mac of course 12:23:33 <flo> but I tested and fixed it on Windows (XP)... 12:24:32 <Mic2> It looks the same as for waynenguyen for me (on Windows XP!) 12:25:20 <flo> I definitely don't have enough RAM to run XP and 7 at the same time :( 12:34:09 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 12:40:02 <flo> Mic2: I can't reproduce on XP 12:43:28 <Mic2> We're talking about this, aren't we? http://imageshack.us/m/215/9141/ibtablistbutton.png 12:43:48 <flo> yes 12:44:38 <Mic2> That's on XP SP3, Luna Silver Theme 12:45:26 <flo> it's possible by debug build isn't updated correctly 12:49:28 <Mic2> I've got the following problem at the moment: I'm using the windowWatcher service to catch opened and closing windows and want to look up the windowType of them 12:49:33 <Mic2> How do I do that? :S 12:49:43 <flo> where are you stuck? 12:49:47 <Mic2> It returns an nsIDOMWindow 12:50:44 <flo> you can try win.document.documentElement.getAttribute("windowtype") where "win" is your nsIDOMWindow 12:54:05 <Mic2> Thanks, this seems to work on closing windows at least. On opening it returns |null|, maybe it's too early when receiving the notification :S 12:55:30 <flo> maybe you can check the URI instead? (if that's acceptable for your usecase) 13:01:25 <clokep_work> Is this for that same extension you were working on last time? (The changing in the aero preview?) 13:01:37 <clokep_work> s/changing/changing status/ 13:03:34 <Mic2> clokep_work: yes, I wanted to check how to watch for windows with a certain windowType (doesn't really apply here as it seems) 13:03:48 <clokep_work> Oh, I see. 13:04:11 <Mic2> I lose the AeroStatus buttons when minimizing to tray, I suspected the window would get destroyed and reopened but this doesn't seem to be the case 13:04:28 <Mic2> I'm not receiving such notifications when minimizing or restoring 13:04:47 <Mic2> Maybe I need to go through mintrayr to see what's going on here :S 13:06:09 <clokep_work> Good luck. ;) 13:06:15 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 622 to bug 731. 13:06:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Sounds should work even when the buddy list is closed. 13:06:24 <flo> anybody want to review that patch? :) 13:06:29 <clokep_work> Are you able to see when the preview is shown? Can you rebuild right before it is shown every time. 13:07:21 <flo> Mic2: mintray currently just hides the taskbar entry when the window is minimized, the window is actually closed only on Mac. 13:08:34 <flo> I wish we could actually close it (= the buddy list) on all OSes when it's not visible, to save resources. 13:08:49 <Mic2> clokep_work: no, I only initialize it once, getting the buttons for a certain window and customizing them. That's it.. 13:09:03 <clokep_work> flo: That patch is destructive I assume to "messenger.options.playSounds.message" preference, just want to make sure you know that. 13:09:24 <flo> destructive? 13:09:28 <clokep_work> (I.e. if someone already customized that pref, they'll lose the customization.) 13:09:39 <clokep_work> Oops. 13:09:43 <clokep_work> I mean to the "messenger.options.playSounds" pref. :) 13:09:58 <flo> it's "migrated" magically: if they disabled sounds, we keep blist sounds disabled. If they had it enabled, we keep messaging sounds enabled. :-P 13:10:09 <clokep_work> Oh? Where's that happen? 13:10:16 <flo> ahah :) 13:10:30 <flo> the new default value of the preferences ;) 13:10:36 <clokep_work> Oh, that's the defaults, yes. :P 13:10:54 <clokep_work> Yeah, not a big deal. :) Just wanted to bring it up! 13:11:30 <flo> we may upset a few haters with that change. It may be worth relnot'ing it. 13:12:27 <clokep_work> Yes, probably. Not worth confusing the code with checking both prefs IMO. 13:12:49 <clokep_work> Did you work around that issue with the encoding using the browser window not loading about:blank fast enough? 13:13:01 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:13:26 <flo> not really 13:13:48 <flo> when about:blank is not loaded yet in the browser, the (mac only) code returns the XUL DOM window instead of the HTML one. 13:14:21 <clokep_work> OK. :) 13:14:32 <flo> (= not worse as what we have right now) 13:14:58 <clokep_work> Looks OK to me, but I didn't give it a thorough review. 13:15:05 <clokep_work> The sound stuff is much cleaner though. 13:15:37 <Mic2> Should we have finer categories for the sounds? I remember someone being annoyed by sounds for outgoing messages ("I know when I'm sending a message"). At the moment there's only blist and message as it seems. 13:15:59 <flo> but I don't think that issue is worth worrying about, as it can only happen if some protocols receive messages (or write in conversations for some reasons) before an about:blank page can load (that's only a few (~9 in my testing) event loop spins). So a prpl is extremely unlikely to have time to exchange any data over the network during that time. 13:15:59 <clokep_work> You can replace it w/ a blank file. :-D 13:16:17 <flo> I had the issue during my testing with the JS Test protocol plugin, which doesn't use the network at all. 13:16:55 <flo> Mic2: I think the issue is rather that our current sounds suck. 13:18:16 <flo> you should unconsciously receive the feedback that the message was sent, not hear a sound being played in the speakers. 13:18:27 <Mic2> Ah, ok 13:18:51 <Mic2> Quote of the day, taken from bug 503: "The natural human aspects must be taken into consideration and sounds must 13:18:51 <Mic2> reflect the actions and soothe the ears." ;) 13:18:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Improving Sounds 13:19:50 <flo> and for the incoming messages, studies has shown that hearing a sound before having the visual interruption actually reduces the cognitive load of the interruptions (like if you hear footsteps in the corridor, you are less surprised and interrupted by someone knocking on your door). 13:20:14 <flo> I don't believe our current BEEEP sound achieves this benefit at all. 13:20:27 <clokep_work> It's better than a system beep. 13:20:28 <Mic2> I've read this as well, I think they're doing it this way on the desktop notifications on Ubuntu.. 13:20:40 <clokep_work> Probably be good if someone fades in somehow? And cuts off if the conversation is focused. 13:22:22 <Mic2> I'm not sure I understand? 13:22:29 <flo> I guess I would like to have a good sound designer play with this :). 13:22:38 <Mic2> The sound would stop when the conversation is focused? 13:22:42 <flo> the topic is very bikeshedding prone though :-/. 13:23:38 <clokep_work> Yes, it is. 13:24:05 * clokep_work thinks telephones should learn from this too. 13:30:20 <flo> ebeil:hg.instantbird.org florian$ hg ci -m "Bug 731 - Sounds should work even when the buddy list is closed, be asynchronous, and be controlled by 2 separate preferences for messaging and buddy list events." instantbird/ 13:30:30 <flo> oops 13:30:45 <flo> why is the backspace key so close to the return key? :-/ 13:32:53 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org set the Resolution field on bug 731 to FIXED. 13:32:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731 nor, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Sounds should work even when the buddy list is closed. 13:34:44 <clokep_work> Only one more enhancement to go. :P Then the rest are "bugs". 13:36:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/18219ad5caf0 - Florian Quèze - Bug 731 - Sounds should work even when the buddy list is closed, be asynchronous, and be controlled by 2 separate preferences for messaging and buddy list events. 13:36:09 <flo> what's the enhancement? 13:36:54 <flo> it's hard to tell which one you are talking about in https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap:0.3 13:38:02 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 13:38:34 <Mic2> I wonder if it's good to combine a change in the logger with a new feature.. 13:39:04 <Mic2> .. I know it's only using the hiddenWindow thing now but it's completely unrelated otherwise 13:39:44 <flo> I guess I could/should have put all the hiddenwindow changes in a separate commit. 13:40:46 <clokep_work> flo: I meant on the bug list, sorry. 13:40:51 <clokep_work> And it's the top of the conversation UI. 13:41:34 <clokep_work> Oh btw my buld never finished yesterday. It hung and I had to kill make.exe. :-/ Any ideas? :-D 13:41:56 <flo> you said it's with Linux that you have had bad experiences? :-P 13:42:39 <clokep_work> Well general user experience wise, yes. 13:45:00 <Mic2> How bad can the user experience be with a color terminal, completion and a command history? scnr 13:45:25 <flo> Mic2: actually, the terminal is more or less the reason why I don't use Linux everyday :-D 13:46:22 <Mic2> I've been playing around with bug 620 recently and I'm not sure how much Glass we should add. It tends to get more difficult to read the more glass there is 13:46:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Maybe Instantbird could look nicer using Glass on Windows Vista and 7 13:46:51 <flo> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336238 is what I really miss when switching from the macbook to Ubuntu for development work. 13:48:21 <flo> Mic2: I think we will want to use the Instantbird button to get rid of the menubar, and then use glass for the status selector, and maybe the status bar. Probably not for the contact list itself. 13:49:24 <clokep_work> I think I'll try not running it on all my cores, If eel like I remember someone saying something about that. 13:49:43 <clokep_work> And I agree, glass behind the menubar / status selector and behind the tabs of the conversation. 13:50:37 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 13:50:43 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 13:50:43 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 13:52:50 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 13:52:58 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 14:04:27 <clokep_work> Using Mook's way of doing the Instantbird button it's really just an overlay that loads only for certain systems...it should be pretty easy to just put the code into the tree as long as it works OK. 14:06:21 <clokep_work> Actually it's not an overlay, it's just a CSS document that gets added. 14:26:12 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9e6ff75a97bc - Florian Quèze - [Mac] Dragging the tab strip should move the conversation window. 14:26:13 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7f1f36534832 - Florian Quèze - Follow-up to bug 334, correctly reapply the empty text when no display name has been entered. 14:36:37 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 14:37:08 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:42:15 <Mic2> bye 14:42:20 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 14:47:56 <flo> Good evening :) 14:47:59 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 14:54:16 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 15:09:06 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 15:38:02 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 15:39:17 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 15:39:21 <clokep_work> So the reply I sent was sent ONLY to the mailing list by mistake. I resent it directly to him in case he isn't on the mailing list. Kind of confusing how we have it ste up. :-/ 15:49:42 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 16:24:30 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:50:30 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 16:51:55 <DGMurdockIII> hey will anmatited icon work with instantbird 16:52:34 <DGMurdockIII> animated * 16:52:38 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: If the file type is supported...maybe. :) 16:52:46 <clokep_work> I don't see why not if it doesn't need to be converted. 16:52:51 <clokep_work> If it needs to be converted...I'm not sure. 16:52:58 <clokep_work> Try it and let us know?! :-D 16:53:22 <DGMurdockIII> i'll se if i can try 16:55:29 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 16:55:36 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 16:55:42 <DGMurdockIII> when i have the icon set i will only see ii by hovering over the person name to see it right 16:59:56 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:00:45 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): it work when you add it you can see the animation but if you try to view the icon on a buddy you dont see the anmation 17:00:54 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 17:01:10 <DGMurdockIII> hi 17:37:23 <DGMurdockIII> Error: Unable to open buddy icon from email@example.com! 17:37:23 <DGMurdockIII> Source File: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/669cbabc7507/purple/libpurple/protocols/msn/user.c 17:37:23 <DGMurdockIII> Line: 343 17:37:23 <DGMurdockIII> Source Code: 17:37:24 <DGMurdockIII> msn: msn_user_set_buddy_icon 17:54:08 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Oh the tooltip doesn't animate it? Interesting. 17:55:03 <DGMurdockIII> nope 17:56:26 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): if you would like to add me you can see for youself DGMurdockIII on AIM or firstname.lastname@example.org on msn and yahoo messanger 17:57:09 <clokep_work> I'm not on Instantbird right now, so I can't check, sorry. :( 17:57:31 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): ok 17:58:00 <DGMurdockIII> and it show a black bacround on the icon 17:58:58 <clokep_work> I had that happen to me because I grabbed a png with a clear background...and the alpha channel is incompatible w/ networks that don't support png (/ gif?) so it gets made black...not ideal. :( 18:01:10 <clokep_work> Any idea what a better thing we could do in this situation is? 18:01:19 <clokep_work> II feel like it should at least be a white background and not a black one. :-/ 18:01:54 <DGMurdockIII> yeah 18:02:17 <DGMurdockIII> here is the icon im using http://www.badassbuddy.com/Badass_Buddy_Icons/Firefox_Buddy_Icon/?se=1 18:02:39 <DGMurdockIII> i just used it for a test 18:03:02 <clokep_work> I used the Instantbird icon from lxr to test. :) 18:04:43 <DGMurdockIII> link 18:06:57 <clokep_work> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/branding/release/mozicon128.png 18:08:04 <clokep_work> Well it's actually: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/branding/release/mozicon128.png?raw=1 18:09:19 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 18:13:23 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 18:14:58 <DGMurdockIII> but is it animated 18:16:43 <clokep_work> Oh, no. 18:16:47 <clokep_work> It just has a transparent background. 18:20:01 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:20:01 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:22:21 <DGMurdockIII> hey mic 18:22:35 <Mic> Hello DGMurdockIII 18:22:51 <DGMurdockIII> how have you been 18:23:18 <DGMurdockIII> been a while 18:23:25 <Mic> I'm fine thanks, and you? 18:23:59 <DGMurdockIII> same just testing out the new icon feature 18:24:54 <Mic> It's nice, I really like it! :) 18:26:18 <DGMurdockIII> it works when adding them but when looking at them in the tooltip there a black backround behind the icons 18:28:21 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Only if you add an icon with transparency! 18:28:22 <Mic> hmm, maybe this happens when a gif or png with transparency is converted to jpeg, which doesn't support it 18:28:50 <DGMurdockIII> and also you cant see the animation from animated icons in the tooltip 18:28:53 <clokep_work> Mic: I'm 90% sure that's what happens. 18:29:15 --> wesj1 has joined #instantbird 18:29:15 <-- wesj1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:29:19 <DGMurdockIII> (%clokep_work) I had that happen to me because I grabbed a png with a clear background...and the alpha channel is incompatible w/ networks that don't support png (/ gif?) so it gets made black...not ideal. :( 18:29:27 <Mic> jpegs don't support animations either 18:29:37 <DGMurdockIII> gif do 18:29:37 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 18:29:50 <Mic> Or with a bit of luck you can get animated png's working somehow 18:30:21 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 18:30:26 <Mic> Even though there's a filesize limit for buddy icons on many networks as it seems .. I guess you're likely to hit it with animated icons 18:30:56 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): add this icon as you icon http://www.badassbuddy.com/Badass_Buddy_Icons/Firefox_Buddy_Icon/?se=1 18:30:56 <DGMurdockIII> 2(micahg2): add this icon as you icon http://www.badassbuddy.com/Badass_Buddy_Icons/Firefox_Buddy_Icon/?se=1 18:31:24 <Mic> I'm not on a recent enough nightly at the moment, I'll try later maybe 18:31:41 <clokep_work> Mic: I don't think PNG does animation? 18:31:48 <clokep_work> Or there's a variety of incompatible formats that don't work. 18:32:10 * clokep_work knows Mozilla doesn't support MNG. :) 18:32:12 <Mic> Oh, there's Mozillas unofficial aPNG format .. which should work .. for us :P 18:32:47 <clokep_work> Hah! 18:33:04 * clokep_work highly highly doubts anything else would understand it. 18:33:24 <Mic> Try this on your Firefox: chrome://global/skin/media/throbber.png 18:33:55 <DGMurdockIII> we shold have a page on wiki for what each im network and there pefacation like what they support for icon and stuff so it easy to go back to it and look at it 18:34:20 <clokep_work> Mic: Aha, I didn' tknow that was a png. :) 18:34:39 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Yes, we should. Pidgin has it in their FAQ but it's confusing. Should just be a table. 18:34:43 <clokep_work> I'll make one. . . 18:34:52 <clokep_work> If you give me a good name for it. :) 18:34:57 <clokep_work> "Buddy icon file format support"? 18:35:15 <DGMurdockIII> i thnk it shold be more than just that 18:35:30 <clokep_work> What else would it include? 18:36:01 <-- igorko has left #instantbird () 18:36:03 <DGMurdockIII> like what features they support 18:36:56 <clokep_work> Oh...hmm...yes...could do that I suppose. 18:37:16 <Mic> good luck 18:37:20 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 18:37:20 <clokep_work> "Protocol features support" 18:37:29 * clokep_work is sure this is somewhere on Wikipedia. ;) 18:37:30 <DGMurdockIII> and list how there URI scheme seach works 18:37:49 <clokep_work> I Have that all in a file somwhere. 18:48:53 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 18:54:42 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Protocol_features_support 19:00:04 <DGMurdockIII> ok 19:01:39 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.ycoderscookbook.com/ 19:05:48 <clokep_work> What's that link? 19:05:57 <clokep_work> I copied them out of the libpurple source code btw. And just updated it w/ a whole lot more. 19:06:37 <DGMurdockIII> http://developer.pidgin.im/raw-attachment/wiki/ThirdPartySmileyThemes/yahoo_10.zip 19:07:02 <DGMurdockIII> Yahoo! Coderâs Cookbook (YCC) where you can find all things relating to Yahoo! Messenger. This site is dedicated to professional explanations and discussions revolving around Yahoo! Messenger and the protocols that drive it 19:07:12 <clokep_work> But why are you sending it to me? 19:07:29 <clokep_work> Add the info to the wiki if it's there. :P 19:07:43 <DGMurdockIII> the Protocol_features_support need yahoo 19:08:02 <DGMurdockIII> nvm 19:08:49 <DGMurdockIII> sorry did not see you updated the page 19:08:58 <clokep_work> Yeah, I sent the link before I finished. Sorry. 19:09:05 <DGMurdockIII> that ok 19:09:30 <DGMurdockIII> also could you put if they support anmated icons 19:10:56 <clokep_work> I don't know if they do or not. 19:11:05 <clokep_work> I would assume if they support gif they do? 19:12:21 <DGMurdockIII> ok 19:15:35 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:16:12 <clokep_work> Not really sure what else would go on there besides buddy icons? 19:16:23 <clokep_work> Maybe formatting, but Instantbird doesn't support any outgoing formatting yet. :P 19:17:00 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 19:19:03 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Mathnerd314_)) 19:19:32 --> Mathnerd314_ has joined #instantbird 19:19:40 * Mathnerd314_ is now known as Mathnerd314 19:21:58 <DGMurdockIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Messenger#URI_scheme 19:26:33 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): what Protocol is Null 19:30:53 <clokep_work> It's the internal libpurple protocol that doesn't do anything. ;) Hence, null. 19:37:54 <clokep_work> So not really necessary to put on there, but I did anyway... 19:40:52 <DGMurdockIII> I just had a friend on google talk that was using pidgin see if he could see my icon and he could see the anmated one but it was just static 19:41:00 <DGMurdockIII> for him 19:41:32 <clokep_work> Yeah I'm not sure how many programs have support for animated icons. The really old AIM did I know. 19:41:34 <DGMurdockIII> I see it in the icon box as a anmated gif icon like the icon supposted to be 19:41:50 <DGMurdockIII> i now pidgin dose 19:43:28 <clokep_work> It's possible it got converted to a different format before upload? I haven't checked flo's code to know how that works. 19:46:30 <DGMurdockIII> ok 19:49:21 <clokep_work> Wait...you said a Google Talk buddy? 19:49:34 <clokep_work> Google Talk only suports png, which doesn't support animation. 19:49:38 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: ^ ^ 19:49:43 <clokep_work> So...it most likely wouldn't wokr. 19:50:04 <DGMurdockIII> he could see my icon 19:50:28 <clokep_work> Right, it gets converted to a PNG and only the first frame is used. 19:50:37 <clokep_work> That's what happens when you convert animated gifs to non-animated images. 19:52:10 <DGMurdockIII> Google Talk uses an older version of what would later become the Jingle proto 19:54:03 <clokep_work> Google Talk uses XMPP with the jingle extension, but is actually incompatible w/ Jingle, yes. Idk if that means it supports more icons though. 19:56:30 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 19:57:56 <clokep_work> Apparently XMPP you HAVE to give png, but can also give other things: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0084.html#proto-meta 20:01:44 <DGMurdockIII> myspace im is supported in instantbird 20:01:59 <clokep_work> Yes, but the buddy icon isn't. 20:08:43 <DGMurdockIII> oh ok 20:09:01 <DGMurdockIII> i'll be back later 20:09:13 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! Â :: core-networks.de Â«Â«Â« (Gamers.IRC) Â»Â»Â» gamersirc.net ::) 20:12:43 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:13:41 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 20:15:10 <-- igorko has left #instantbird () 20:47:33 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 20:56:39 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:10:54 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 21:19:12 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 21:21:35 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 21:27:19 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 21:38:10 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:38:10 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:47:17 <flo> the play is over :). I'm tired! 21:53:11 <-- igorko has left #instantbird () 21:54:13 <flo> for what is worth, I would expect animated PNG to be transmitted over XMPP but not be animated when shown in Instantbird. 21:54:29 <flo> I don't think MSN supports any image format that supports animated icon 21:55:40 <flo> AIM/ICQ support gif. I believe if you use as your icon an animated gif file that otherwise matches the AIM spec (at most 50*50px and 7kB) and so doesn't need to be converted, it would stay animated and be animated in the tooltips. 21:56:10 <flo> I would not recommend using animated icons (because it's disturbing for the other users) but I think it can work. 21:57:18 <flo> er, I meant 64*64 when I said 50*50 above 21:58:13 <flo> http://img.badassbuddy.com/buddies/96x96/badassbuddy_com-firefox.gif can't work on AIM because it weights almost 15kB and AIM limits to 7kB. 22:08:40 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 22:33:21 <flo> Good night! :) 22:33:23 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 23:20:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:20:35 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep