#instantbird log on 05 12 2011

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00:29:36 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 619 to bug 334.
00:29:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 enh, --, 0.3, florian, ASSI, Give the user a way to set a buddy icon and a display name
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00:45:41 <flo> Good night! :)
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00:59:18 <clokep> flo: Can you check out https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=603 I know the way I'm getting the commands is wrong...but the part I'm more concerned about is that the commands don't seem to work after they're re-registered.
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09:18:33 <Mic> Hi
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09:35:31 <Mic> The free version of Trillian is going to get upgraded to all features (minus online log storage?) of the Pro version and will get advertisements in the conversation in return
09:36:21 <Mic> Paying $12 will remove the ads for one year
09:36:25 <Mic> See http://blog.trillian.im/?p=2018
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09:43:23 <flo> hello :)
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10:09:08 <Mic> hi flo
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10:31:16 <flo> clokep: no idea about your commands not working issue. But if you keep having problems I can try it to see what actually goes on there.
10:31:35 <clokep> A quick look seems like it should work though, no?
10:31:56 <clokep> I'll look at it again, I just didn't want to be banging my head against the wall for doing something totally wrong. :) Thanks.
10:32:24 <flo> a quick look seems like the code would be less confusing once the previous review comments are addressed, and so my eyes would be more likely to spot a mistake ;)
10:33:08 <clokep> :P
10:33:17 <clokep> Problem is I don't know how to change the interface. :-/
10:33:38 <clokep> (I can add the method no problem, but I can't use it since I'm not compiling.)
10:33:54 <flo> uh, what?
10:34:18 <flo> ah, you can't even recreate the .xpt for the changed idl files?
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10:42:06 <clokep> I might be able to, but I don't know how to. :)
10:45:45 <flo> all of this because of the gg plugin that doesn't want to compile?
10:46:38 <clokep> Well when I ignored that plug-in I was getting other strange issues. So Idk if my environment is horked or what.
10:47:08 <clokep> I actually think I got past the gg plug-in part when I tried using pymake? But I think my laptop shut down from heat then.
10:47:20 <clokep> So pretty much I need t oinstall this stuff on my newer laptop.
10:48:10 <flo> or replace the old laptop's fan
10:48:47 <clokep> Already been done a few times. Plus it would compile a lot faster on my new laptop. (Solid state drive + 4 years newer technology.)
10:49:13 <clokep> The laptop is notorious for overheating / burning out fans.
10:49:38 <flo> maybe I would get faster compilations if I invest in a new laptop
10:49:59 <flo> I work mostly from a macbook of the 2008 generation.
10:50:04 <clokep> I thought you had a new Macbook?
10:50:30 <clokep> (My old laptop is from 2006 btw -- it's not even widescreen!, my new one from 2010.)
10:50:36 <flo> yeah, it was new 3 years ago ;)
10:50:57 <clokep> Haha, maybe then. :)
10:51:05 <clokep> Never looked at Mac Mini builders again, right?
10:51:21 <flo> yeah, the old Powermac still works...
10:51:59 <clokep> Supposed to rain all weekend, so maybe that will give me some time to set it up. :)
10:55:23 <clokep> And I guess I'll install VS 2005 this time. :-D
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10:57:28 <clokep> Other thing I might do is dual boot Ubuntu on my other laptop...so I can get faster compile times, etc.
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13:13:42 <flo> pfff, I hate the godaddy website :(
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13:49:35 <clokep_work> godaddy hosts instantbird.org I'm guessing?
13:51:34 <flo> uh, no :).
13:51:56 <flo> it only provides the SSL certificates for *.instantbird.org and ssl.instantbird.com
13:52:45 <clokep_work> Ah.
13:52:49 <flo> and the current SSL certificate expires Saturday
13:54:07 <clokep_work> Got it. :) Good to fix that before we all get SSL errors? ;)
13:54:22 <flo> yeah...
13:54:56 <flo> GoDaddy is the "cheap"est I found for wildcard SSL certificates.
14:01:35 <clokep_work> I'm guessing it's not very cheap?
14:01:51 <flo> I paid $172 for a year
14:03:08 <flo> which seems extremely overpriced to me for a very small file that computer generates automatically in a few milliseconds...
14:11:06 <clokep_work> I guess there's not many vendors though. :-/
14:15:15 <flo> there's a clear lack of competition
14:18:50 <clokep_work> Hmmm...maybe we should go into that field. ;)
14:19:25 <flo> the difficult part is getting one's root CA bundled into IE6.
14:31:08 <flo> hmm, so libpurple's set_public_alias function exists only for MSN
14:31:35 <flo> and when I try, it fails with a "Passport not verified" error (my test account actually isn't on a verified email address)
14:31:43 <flo> sounds like a useful feature... :-/
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14:39:11 <clokep_work> XMPP doesn't support public aliases?
14:39:28 <flo> it does, but not the libpurple pluging
14:40:00 <flo> -g
14:40:07 <clokep_work> Bah.
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14:45:45 <flo> boo for crashing
14:48:04 <clokep_work> Crashed on the nightly?
14:50:03 <flo> yes
14:53:42 <clokep_work> :(
14:56:27 <flo> ah, the about:crashes link now open the reports directly inside Instantbird instead of in the default browser
15:01:31 <flo> "Oh Noes! This archived report could not be located." -_-
15:10:55 <flo> well, now I have the report (http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/22ca8b78-b803-45ac-adda-32cd12110512) but there's nothing useful in it :(
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15:14:48 * clokep_work is checking out your extensions. ;)
15:15:51 <flo> yeah, the report is not so anonymous... ;)
15:16:23 <flo> but there's nothing really secret in my add-ons ;)
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15:18:21 <clokep_work> Yup. I use almost all of them except viewsourceselection.
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15:18:47 <flo> I don't use it either
15:18:58 <flo> I just never thought about uninstalling it because it doesn't hurt :-D
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15:21:58 * clokep_work would find it ironic if that was the crasher. ;)
15:22:02 <clokep_work> (I'm sure it's not, but still...)
15:22:23 <flo> it crashed when I pressed Command + , to open the preference dialog
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17:01:51 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 620 to bug 334.
17:01:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 enh, --, 0.3, florian, ASSI, Give the user a way to set a buddy icon and a display name
17:10:51 <flo> nobody wants to review this before I push it, right?
17:20:56 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e52ac1260bb5 - Florian Quèze - Bug 334 - Give the user a way to set a buddy icon and a display name.
17:20:57 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/be7dbc23dad8 - Florian Quèze - Bug 581 - Instantbird (default) is incompatible with Instantbird.
17:22:08 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 334 to FIXED.
17:22:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 enh, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Give the user a way to set a buddy icon and a display name
17:23:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 581 to FIXED.
17:23:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581 tri, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Instantbird (default) is incompatible with Instantbird 0.3a1pre.
17:24:54 <flo> "42 bugs found." on https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A0.3
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17:50:58 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4d8d53386cb6 - Florian Quèze - Bustage fix for non-debug builds.
18:19:52 <clokep_work> I had reviewed like...half of it if that makes you feel better. :)
18:19:57 <clokep_work> Well maybe 1/4 of it.
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18:41:05 <clokep_work> Isn't bug 108 fixed by bug 744?
18:41:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show buddy icons in conversation windows
18:41:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, top of conversation UI (contact info)
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18:49:17 <flo> clokep_work: I think for 108 we may want to adapt Bubbles to show the buddy icon for each bubble
18:52:43 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
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19:28:41 <flo> hmm, we have no way to execute a /who command (and see the result)? :-/
19:32:02 <clokep_work> In IRC? Nope.
19:32:35 <flo> that's ... pfff. What's the fastest way to make that info appear? :-S
19:33:04 <flo> a printf in  purple_notify_user_info_add_pair maybe?
19:34:40 <flo> if one wanted to design some UI for that, what would it be?
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19:35:25 <clokep_work> If one wanted to design a UI for that? You'd mouse over the person in the participants list and it would magically appear.
19:35:29 <clokep_work> It's on my to-do list.
19:35:49 <clokep_work> And the fastest way if you need it right now is to ask me to do it for you since I'm not running Instantbird. ;)
19:36:00 <flo> I'm interested in people not in the participant list
19:36:20 <flo> nah, my printf on the debug build already works :-P
19:36:33 <flo> and asking someone else is not the best solution privacy-wise :-P
19:36:33 <Mic> Bonsoir ;)
19:36:44 <flo> hey :)
19:37:48 <Mic> I think we have a bug for tooltips in the participant list
19:38:18 <Mic> We could also retrieve this information for the buddy list and conversation tooltips?
19:39:38 <flo> that still doesn't give me a way to retrieve it for people not in a channel where I am
19:39:43 <clokep_work> Mic: Yes, we have it. I think I filed it.
19:39:53 <flo> though if I know the nick, it's arguable that I should add them to my buddy list
19:39:57 <clokep_work> flo: Yeah, Idk why there isn't a command for it?
19:40:07 <Mic> /who flo
19:40:09 <clokep_work> Or does it just not get output possibly.
19:40:15 <Mic> hmm ... I should have guessed ;)
19:40:16 <flo> clokep_work: because tehre's a command for it!
19:40:17 <clokep_work> It'd most likely be /whois anyway.
19:40:30 <flo>  /whois "works".
19:40:43 <clokep_work> Ah, well use that then. :)
19:40:48 <flo> it's just that libpurple shows the result in a stupid popup that I won't allow it to open
19:41:00 <flo> that's what I'm doing. With an added printf :-P.
19:42:39 <clokep_work> Pop ups? Gross.
19:42:54 <clokep_work> I should just print it in a window (most likely from the person you asked it about or from the server)
19:44:30 <Mic> Which window? The error console maybe? :P
19:49:04 <clokep_work> Mic: A conversation window. ;)
19:49:28 <clokep_work> So if I /whois you, it should either show up "from" you (as a system message) or from the server (as a regular message) I think.
19:49:42 <clokep_work> (Plus fill it in so if I mouse over you as a participant all the info is there. :))
19:52:06 <Mic> "fill it in" = cache it for later use then?
19:52:51 <Mic> Ah, sorry .. that's exactly what you said :D
19:52:59 <clokep_work> Yes, cache it.
19:53:15 <clokep_work> Poor choice of words today...what happens when you write XML parsers all day. ;)
19:55:31 <Mic> How difficult is writing an XML parser by the way? Parsing of XML documents should be rather strict iirc .. which should make it easier because you should most likely just throw and error and don't have to recover from some invalid state/expression
19:55:38 <Mic> *an error
19:55:48 <Mic> In theory..?
19:57:03 <clokep_work> Yes. The difficult part is converting the current option files to XMl and figuring out what the hell the entities are supposed to mean.
19:57:15 <clokep_work> (And also teaching myself how to write XML schemas.)
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20:00:28 <Mic> Good bye
20:00:36 <clokep_work> Bye.
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20:01:09 <clokep_work> flo: Why did you need /who info anyway? Something you're working on in Instantbird or unrelated and you just wanted /who info? :)
20:03:45 <flo> I wanted to know if someone was connected but not in any room where I used to see him talking.
20:04:58 <clokep_work> Ah. Make an ISON command? :)
20:05:00 <flo> And wanted to know the idle time of someone I saw in a room, to know if I was likely to get a reply by sending a private message, or should rather have sent an email.
20:05:20 <flo> I could have added both of them in the buddy list I guess
20:05:24 <clokep_work> Mmhmm.
20:05:46 <flo> though it wouldn't have showed the idle time until the whois is done automatically and the results displayed in the tooltip
20:12:42 <clokep_work> Oh, does that actually work if people are on your buddy list? Interesting.
20:12:54 <flo> It doesn't
20:13:19 <flo> but the UI is easy: we want to query the information when the tooltip is opened, and refresh it as soon as we receive the reply
20:18:25 <clokep_work> Right. :)
20:18:30 <clokep_work> That'd look snazzy.
20:19:20 <flo> (same for tab tooltips by the way, and maybe even tooltips in the nicklist)
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20:25:51 <clokep_work> Time to go. Ciao.
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22:08:14 <clokep> flo: bug 615...is that "done" with the Fx 4 tabs? Not sure how much lightweight theming that added.
22:08:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=615 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The conversation window should be easily customizable (personas)
22:09:19 <flo> no. I just kept around the lwtheme CSS mess to simplify fixing bug 615 in the future :)
22:09:32 <clokep> OK. :) So it's like half done.
22:10:05 * clokep needs to go buy a BBQ for making a Bacon Explosion this weekend. Will bbl.
22:13:09 <flo> more or less, I don't know how much work there is, so "half" is a bit risky here ;)
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22:46:26 <flo> Good night :)
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