#instantbird log on 05 11 2011

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10:08:11 <Mic2> Hello.
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10:11:55 <flo> Hello :)
10:12:23 <flo> did you include the person from the first email when replying to the message on the mailing list this morning?
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10:19:32 <Mic2> No :(
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12:12:26 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 688 to WORKSFORME.
12:12:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Scrolling with mouse wheel magnifies conversation.
12:17:46 <clokep_work> Mic2: Is bug 415 still an issue? :)
12:17:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Detaching a tab over Skype contact list doesn't work
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12:20:25 <Mic2> I'll try later if I think of it
12:21:29 <Mic2> Ah, you even asked for it there thrre month ago :(
12:22:02 <clokep_work> Yes. :)
12:22:13 <clokep_work> It's fine. Just trying to close oldish bugs if they're not an issue.
12:22:55 <Mic2> I was looking through some of the open bugs as well today
12:26:13 <Mic2> I'll attach a mockup to bug 558 to make clear what it is about
12:26:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow to skin conversation window completely
12:27:21 <clokep_work> Yeah, I wasn't sure exactly what that one meant.
12:27:39 <clokep_work> It should be skinnable now that flo removed the textbox styling for his extension. ;)
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12:28:09 <Mic2> No, this is about something different
12:28:58 <Mic2> Bla bla bla .. bug 558.
12:29:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow to skin conversation window completely
12:29:34 <Mic3> O RLY?
12:31:29 * clokep_work is confused.
12:32:09 <Mic3> I just needed a decent screenshot with some content ;)
12:32:44 <clokep_work> Oh hahah.
12:35:50 <flo> Mic3: too bad the fake add-on doesn't really work currently ;)
12:37:36 <clokep_work> Hey flo, what is http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/profile/extensions/%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D/install.rdf.in for anyway? What is that extension? The default theme?
12:37:48 * clokep_work is trying to think about bug 581.
12:37:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Instantbird (default) is incompatible with Instantbird 0.3a1pre.
12:38:19 * clokep_work is wondering more of why there has to be an extension for the default theme.
12:38:27 <flo> bug 562 looks to me like a dup of bug 529
12:38:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, 'pref not found' - warning when opening themes pane on preferences
12:38:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, update addons.instantbird.org integration in the add-on manager to follow mozilla 2 changes.
12:38:55 <flo> but I guess I would wait for them to be both fixed before resolving as a dup
12:39:45 <flo> clokep_work: yes, it's the metadata of the default theme
12:40:49 <flo> has anybody checked that the preprocessor does its job on the  <em:maxVersion> line?
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12:42:39 <clokep_work> flo: I just did.
12:43:08 <clokep_work> The install.rdf from a zip: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/678
12:43:27 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 618 to bug 558.
12:43:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow to skin conversation window completely
12:44:34 <clokep_work> It's using the wrong Application ID.
12:44:38 <clokep_work> Do we have a preprocessor for that?
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12:45:03 <flo> that's just what I noticed
12:45:17 <flo> it's a constant, it doesn't need to be preprocessed
12:45:32 <clokep_work> OK. :) I wasn't sure.
12:46:49 <flo> my macbook is so slow since I installed and started a Win7 VM :(
12:47:46 * flo tests with the correct application id
12:49:04 <clokep_work> Oh you have Win 7 now? So I can bug you about Win 7 bugs? ;)
12:49:12 <clokep_work> Mic2: That's a really neat idea. :)
12:49:20 <flo> the first start user experience is really crappy :(
12:49:32 <clokep_work> Of Windows or Instantbird? :P
12:49:36 <Mic2> Win 7's or ours?
12:49:39 <Mic2> :D
12:50:32 <flo> I wasn't around when win7 first started, the vmware wizard made some magic. I just gave the path to the iso file, went away for lunch and had a working system when I got back
12:51:42 <clokep_work> Want to check bug 616 too while you're testing simple things? :)
12:51:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Input box styling regression from 30e06bddc097
12:51:53 <flo> here is what I get after finishing the install wizard: http://queze.net/goinfre/ib-first-start-ux.png
12:52:09 <flo> clokep_work: I don't see how that could be a simple thing ;)
12:53:16 <clokep_work> flo: I just meant to confirm it's an issue. :)
12:53:17 <flo> as a user, I've no clue what I'm supposed to do with that blank window above a shy-looking wizard
12:53:53 <clokep_work> Would it be better if onlt the wizard opened?
12:53:59 <clokep_work> s/onlt/only/
12:54:14 <flo> I would prefer that
12:54:29 <flo> but at the very least, we should put the wizard above the blist, and center it on the screen
12:55:25 <flo> I would like the blist to appear by default on the right side of the screen, taking the full height of the screen, but that may be only a personal preference
12:56:15 <clokep_work> I always find it weird that the default is the left. :)
12:56:41 <clokep_work> I think AIM always defaulted to the right. I don't know about other programs. (I also keep my task bar on the left...so having another window there isn't useful.)
12:57:19 <flo> and now I joined an IRC room, I have both the textbox border bug, and the invisible notification bar bug
12:57:32 <flo> that software looks really great...
12:58:33 <clokep_work> :( The textbox border one doesn't bother me much. The notification bar one...sometimes all my notification bars work fine and other times only half...and other times none work. :( It's very random.
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13:00:58 <flo> the Applications tab is broken. There should be http, https and ftp listed there by default. That used to work.
13:01:52 <flo> somehow, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/profile/mimeTypes.rdf is not taken into account
13:02:28 <flo> it's possible that regressed with omni.jar / the mozilla2 switch
13:03:21 <clokep_work> Possibly, I'm not sure I've ever touched the Applications tab.
13:03:34 <flo> you are lucky!
13:03:48 <flo> I worked a lot on it for Firefox 3 during my MoCo internship :-D
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13:11:34 <Mic2> Isn't it possible to set the "z-level" of windows, i.e. which one is shown on top of another?
13:11:46 <Mic2> I think i saw something like that
13:12:01 <flo> changing the application id works. I can't believe we kept that bug for so long without noticing!
13:12:52 <flo> Mic2: I think the wizard used to be on top, but that regressed when I added a window.focus() line in a setTimeout on the blist in an attempt to make the CSS transition work right on startup
13:13:44 <Mic2> What about not displaying it on the first run? Instead of the blank contact list, we'd have a welcome message and a "Get started" button maybe?
13:14:01 <flo> the account wizard?
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13:14:10 <clokep_work> I think just not showing it and the account wizard would be OK.
13:14:28 <clokep_work> (Well ideally, not showing it and the import wizard. ;))
13:14:56 <flo> the "welcome, take a sit while we are moving your crap for you" wizard :)
13:15:05 <Mic2> Yes, hiding the account wizard until the user read the message and knows that's his job to do something now
13:15:27 <Mic2> instead of just having a wizard dialog jump into his face..
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13:24:04 <clokep_work> Can I dup bug 726 into bug 675? Is anyone still seeing bug 675? We think it was fixed by a Mozilla bug. I'm no longer seeing it and was thinking of closing it?
13:24:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Invisible contacts in the "new" buddy list
13:24:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sign off transition not starting/finishing
13:25:07 <flo> it still exists but is very rare
13:25:40 <flo> and mostly harmless now that closing and reopening a group force-terminates all the pending animations
13:25:53 <clokep_work> Right.
13:26:15 <flo> it probably doesn't block 0.3 anymore
13:27:08 <clokep_work> We probably should hav elinked to that Mozilla bug in there. :)
13:30:40 <flo> apparently I can't have aero on my VM
13:31:58 <Mic2> It needs hardware acceleration iirc
13:33:43 <Mic2> I meant something like that for the first run screen: http://imageshack.us/m/8/4856/ibmockupfirstrun.png
13:36:33 <clokep_work> That looks good Mic2, but I don't see why we can't just open the Wizard? Unless someone deletes all their accounts and just wants to open logs or something? (If that's even possible.)
13:38:49 <Mic2> Put such a welcome message on the wizard then? It doesn't seem right to me to open a wizard that says "... ahem, please configure something now."
13:40:01 <clokep_work> True, either way would work.
13:40:12 <Mic2> flo: does bug 611 (the 'blank slate') cover first-run experience as well?
13:40:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle the "blank slate" gracefully
13:40:50 <flo> maybe, but not really. The idea there was to put something inside the empty blist and conversation areas to give an idea of what should be there.
13:41:54 <flo> I think we need to add a special step to the wizard that would way "Welcome to Instantbird" blahblah
13:42:18 <flo> and Mic's mockup look more or less like things I thought about for bug 611 for the cases of "start offline" or "no network connection"
13:42:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle the "blank slate" gracefully
13:42:49 <Mic2> hmm, we could have several decks, like on the account manager and either display the first run message or "no contacts yet" or the contact list like it normally is and so on ..
13:44:12 <Mic2> I've put the image on the wiki if someone wants to use it as mockup for a bug
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13:50:55 <clokep_work> We're getting down there in blockers. :)
13:52:09 <clokep_work> I'll try to knock the command one off tonight. (Been meaning to the past few days. :()
13:54:16 <flo> I would hope finishing the one I'm currently on, and then taking the 3 0.3 things related to sounds
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13:58:21 * clokep_work only remembers one related to sounds...
13:59:05 <Mic2> I think it's "sounds while buddy list is closed" + "sounds shouldn't block animations" + "sounds should use the audio-tag" or something like that
14:01:42 <clokep_work> bug 731, then "Should not block the UI anymore" and "Separate the pref for buddy events and messaging events."
14:01:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sounds should work even when the buddy list is closed.
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14:09:52 <flo> clokep_work: 1. Should work without buddy list window, 2. Should be asynchronous (= use audio-tag), 3. Separe into 2 prefs.
14:10:13 <clokep_work> Got it. :)
14:10:39 <flo> all the 3 together = rewrite sounds.js ;)
14:11:50 <clokep_work> Good luck!
14:12:39 <flo> it's not very difficult. The sucking part is that to create an audio tag I need an HTML DOM window.
14:13:14 <flo> so I'll finally need to put a browser tag in the mac hidden xul window (and we will revert the ugly workaround that doesn't fully work that we added for <br> tags)
14:13:36 * clokep_work likes removing working arounds.
14:13:39 <clokep_work> Will be back later.
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19:06:48 <Mic> Uh, what happened here? Only eight people .. that must be a long-time-low
19:07:35 <clokep_work> It's been like this the past few days. :(
19:07:37 <clokep_work> Schools out? Idk.
19:09:56 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 415 to WORKSFORME.
19:09:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Detaching a tab over Skype contact list doesn't work
19:10:22 <Mic> One more gone .. ;)
19:10:44 <Mic> Even though it was a WFM ;)
19:11:51 <Mic> That leaves only 368 others ..
19:11:56 <clokep_work> Gone is good though. :)
19:12:03 <clokep_work> < half of all bugs filed. ;
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19:34:52 <clokep_work> And now it's only 7. :P
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22:47:18 <clokep> Hello. :)
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22:55:34 <flo> I'm trying to test/fix the CSS on Windows for the buddy icon selector, and failing at it because my debug build crashes at startup :(
22:57:05 <clokep> :-/ Any idea why it's crashin? :-D
22:57:33 <flo> ah, now visual studio insults me with "Invalid license data, a reinstall is probably required."
22:57:46 <flo> probably crashing because my VM is living its last hours
22:58:08 <clokep> :-/
22:58:15 <clokep> I've never had good experiences using VMs.
22:58:26 <flo> I tried reverting my patch. Then it crashes "sometimes". With the patch applied it seems to crash all the time (but not exactly at the same step of startup)
22:58:37 <flo> I've never had good experiences using Windows. ;)
22:59:07 <clokep> :P I've never had a good experience using Linux.
22:59:14 <clokep> If you have a build you want me to try I can do htat.
22:59:42 <flo> you have VS2005Pro installed?
23:00:26 * flo reboots the VM
23:00:35 <clokep> No. 2008 I think.
23:00:38 <flo> it does a check disk
23:00:39 <clokep> Or maybe 2010. :-/ I forget.
23:00:47 <clokep> Hence why I can't compile stuff. :(
23:00:51 <clokep> I need to fix that.
23:01:00 <flo> If you have a working build, I can give you the patch to apply to update your build
23:01:11 <flo> ah
23:01:52 <clokep> It's on my list of things to do...right behind finish up a few patches, fix Vertical Tabs and do my laundry. ;)
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23:21:33 <flo> it still crashes after the reboot and the check disk :(
23:21:44 <flo> it's possible some files are corrupted on the disk somewhere :-/
23:22:21 <flo> "Microsoft Visual Studio is configuring the environment for the first time" pfff...
23:27:32 <clokep> That doesn't sound promising. :-/
23:30:43 <flo> when I close Visual Studio (which fails to show a stack for the exception/crash), I have an error message saying "Cannot detach from one or more processes: instantbird.exe: The debugger is still attaching to the process."
23:38:28 <flo> make clean in purplexpcom/src and now it starts
23:39:49 <clokep> :(
23:39:59 <clokep> Oh flo! My vote is for Time Bubbles to be the default.
23:40:07 <clokep> Been using it since we discussed it a few weeks ago and I like it.
23:40:35 <flo> I found another bug that I *really* need to fix in it before integrating it
23:40:40 <flo> but thanks :)
23:40:53 <clokep> Oh? I haven't noticed any.
23:41:33 <flo> when you have several grouped messages, the time taken into account to determine the space between that bubble and the next bubble (for first non grouped message) is the time of the first message in the group.
23:42:01 <clokep> Ah, I see.
23:42:07 <flo> so it sometimes displays "6 minutes" between 2 bubbles even though there were actually only a few seconds
23:43:01 <flo> and I would really like to change the time that appears next to the nick when hovering a bubble to be human friendly, like we discussed
23:43:27 <flo> and finally there's the localization issue :)
23:43:47 <clokep> Mmhmm.
23:43:59 <clokep> Well maybe 0.5 :P
23:44:03 <clokep> for 0.5
23:44:18 <flo> basically, all the code to create a human friendly time string needs to be in the theme system so that it's localizable
23:51:42 <clokep> Right. :-/
23:51:51 <clokep> Although isn't it formatted by a string and that's it?
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23:59:24 <flo> clokep: nah, it's more complicated
23:59:38 <flo> I think the code is similar to the code used in the download manager for Firefox.
23:59:48 <flo> and the plural rules are a mess :).
23:59:50 <clokep> Oh, I see.
23:59:53 <clokep> Ah, plural, yes.