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00:00:56 <nexxuscommand> huge terminology barriers, missing key words from posts. all in all a day to forget LOL 00:01:21 <clokep> Yes. 00:02:31 <nexxuscommand> what i call groups you call tags and what i call accounts you call buddies 00:03:12 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 00:04:31 <nexxuscommand> about the only thing i got out of this was that the "contacts" and "contact_tag" should be removed form the DB 00:04:33 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 00:10:51 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 00:11:09 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:14:07 <clokep> Why? I think contact links the buddies together into a single contact. 00:18:23 <nexxuscommand> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110509/#m387 00:22:41 <clokep> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110509/#m385 00:22:49 <clokep> "first name and last name were a mistake" 00:28:42 <nexxuscommand> my mistake 00:30:58 <nexxuscommand> BTW looking at the "account_buddy" to "tags" structure you do know the implied logic is that an account buddy can never have more then one tag right? i am not sure if this was intended 00:38:08 <clokep> I've never looked at that logic, so I'm not sure. 00:38:16 <clokep> Oh. 00:38:18 <clokep> Wait, that's fine. 00:38:24 <clokep> An account_buddy connects an account to a buddy. 00:38:45 <clokep> Only way that wouldn't be OK is if a buddy was in multiple groups on the server. 00:47:37 <nexxuscommand> well i don't know what else to do, there seems very little point in refactoring the DB its either "not going to do it" or "let an add-on do it" 00:48:31 <nexxuscommand> i hope the simple logs work for you or give you an idea on what should be done. 00:49:25 <nexxuscommand> its all rudimentary though 00:50:25 <-- nexxuscommand has left #instantbird () 00:52:28 <clokep> Well the logs need to be put into a database yes, but the other stuff should be OK as it is. 01:26:46 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 01:27:22 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 01:52:23 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 01:58:35 --> Tonnes_ has joined #instantbird 01:58:45 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 01:58:46 * Tonnes_ is now known as Tonnes 02:03:25 --> mepine_ has joined #instantbird 02:03:26 <-- mepine has quit (Connection reset by peer) 02:03:26 * mepine_ is now known as mepine 02:20:48 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 02:21:18 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 02:24:17 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 02:25:23 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 02:25:30 <-- clokep has quit (Connection timed out) 02:25:47 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 02:25:47 * ChanServ sets 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(Ping timeout) 09:39:46 * Tonnes_ is now known as Tonnes 09:40:43 <flo> there's a whole post on planet about the word "awesome", Mic will like that :) 09:59:27 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 09:59:48 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 10:01:15 --> Tonnes_ has joined #instantbird 10:01:37 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 10:02:05 * Tonnes_ is now known as Tonnes 10:18:47 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:18:47 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:29:22 <clokep> Rumors are that Microsoft is buying Skype. 10:30:47 <flo> :-S 10:33:24 <clokep> Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/09/microsoft-rumored-to-be-buying-skype-for-more-than-7-billion/ 10:33:31 <clokep> Announcement today according to that article. 10:33:45 <clokep> Maybe they'll release an SDK then? ;) 10:38:04 <flo> you mean, like the windows live messenger is documented? ;) 10:39:34 <clokep> It was at one point I believe, right? :-D 10:39:44 <clokep> Also AIM is federating with GTalk. 10:40:26 <flo> I don't understand the requirements for an image to be usable as an AIM icon 10:41:52 <clokep> "small and crappy"? 10:42:06 <flo> my automatically converted icons work only sometimes 10:43:36 <flo> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#HowdoIsetabuddyiconoravatar that FAQ entry says both "4KB" and "7KB" :-S 10:44:50 <flo> and "48x48 to 50x50" even though the source code says 100x100 10:44:53 <clokep> And those dimensions are pretty different from the ones in teh code too. :( 10:45:05 <flo> if I downscale to 50x50, I'm much more likely to be < 7KB 10:45:28 <flo> (or even < 4kB) 10:46:32 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 10:49:15 <flo> http://hg.guifications.org/pidgin-firstpass-completedmaps/rev/0311ee7bf451 10:49:51 <clokep> http://help.aol.com/help/microsites/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=223203 shows png being supported too. :( 10:50:29 <flo> that changeset is 15 months old already, but I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to revert it 10:51:15 <clokep> I don't understand why they do a "scale display" in libpurple..isn't that really up to the GUI? 10:52:21 <flo> who cares? :) 10:53:23 <flo> on your link, ico is not supported. And about png, can we be sure it's not converted before sending? :) 10:54:32 <clokep> Ah, you're right. We can't be. 10:54:45 <flo> well, we can if we wireshark it 10:54:52 <flo> but I'm not in the mood of doing that :) 10:56:06 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 10:56:14 <clokep> Touche. Definitely not worth the effort. 10:56:42 <clokep> If I have successfully set buddy icon "a" on the server, and I try to change it to "b" and it fails...is my buddy icon gone or is it still "a"? (And which would the user expect?) 10:58:15 <flo> in my testing, it's usually still a 10:58:27 <flo> but I wouldn't guarantee it will always be the case :) 10:58:41 <clokep> Haha. All these protocols suck. :( 10:59:22 <flo> if I revert http://hg.guifications.org/pidgin-firstpass-completedmaps/rev/0311ee7bf451, things work more often 10:59:34 <flo> (I've only had one failure on the first try (no idea of the cause)) 10:59:54 <flo> and with an icon of 50x50, the jpg is easily <7kB 11:00:27 <clokep> I think that's reasonable to revert then. 11:04:30 * clokep needs to go. 11:04:32 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 11:14:33 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 11:32:13 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 11:44:28 <clokep_meeting> Hello. :) 11:51:36 <flo> hey :) 11:54:46 <clokep_meeting> Probably about time for another status update soon. :-/ 11:58:30 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 12:05:41 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 779 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 12:05:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Grouping and ungrouping contacts is not keyboard accessible 12:08:32 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 12:08:41 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: é¨ç·£ä¹) 12:08:42 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 12:09:14 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 12:13:35 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 12:20:44 <Mic2> flo: isn't it possible to set the compression level of the generated jpgs? 12:21:31 <Mic2> rather *while generating the jpgs 12:22:46 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 12:22:51 <flo> I think it's possible if you "talk" directly to the JPEG encoder 12:23:19 <flo> but my code uses imgITool to abstract the encoders and just provide the desired mime type as a parameter 12:27:51 <-- flo has left #instantbird () 12:28:16 --> flo has joined #instantbird 12:28:16 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 12:28:56 <flo> I really want an add-on that would use the webcam to prevent closing a tab when I press Command+W while looking at the other screen :) 12:30:58 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 12:31:38 <Mic2> What about using a webcam to take buddy images? ;) 12:32:14 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 12:32:23 <flo> definitely wanted! 12:33:59 <Mic2> I'd also like to have a way to select a region of an image as buddy image (like you have for your small profile image on Facebook and other services) 12:34:38 <Mic2> I guess that could be an addon 12:35:16 <flo> It could be done as an add-on first 12:35:27 <flo> and then if it's good, it may be integrated 12:36:34 <Mic2> Well, it shouldn't take more than five minutes if you ignore design, implementation and debugging .. ;) ah.. sorry. 12:37:07 <flo> figuring out how to upload an add-on on AIO may still take more than 5 minutes :-D 12:37:20 <flo> I haven't managed to upload 2 add-ons recently. Still don't know why. 12:40:48 <Mic2> Uh, I'm halfway through yesterday log and it is becoming increasingly painful to read 12:40:54 <Mic2> *yesterday's 12:42:27 <flo> It's probably safe to skip that day of nonsense ;) 12:46:01 <Mic2> I just extracted something useful ;) 12:49:28 <flo> congrats! : 12:49:28 <flo> ) 12:56:02 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 12:56:34 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:01:53 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:02:00 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 13:02:13 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 13:06:26 <clokep_meeting> Something useful? You lie. 13:08:27 <Mic2> Could someone proof-read this: https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Mic/Definition_of_terms ? 13:09:04 <Mic2> I'm not sure if I'm lying on "any number of" but I guess for all practical purposes it's fine ;) 13:10:10 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:11:50 <clokep_meeting> Mic2: I would just say "a contact can have multiple tags" 13:13:02 <Mic2> Instead of what? Anything else that is currently there? 13:13:28 <clokep_meeting> Instead of "any number of" 13:13:44 <Mic2> Ah :) 13:14:27 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 13:15:54 <clokep_meeting> Aren't ther eother words for buddies also? 13:16:04 <clokep_meeting> Like isn't "Buddy" the AIM centric term and there are other phrases used? 13:17:16 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 13:18:50 <clokep_meeting> Skype official sold to Microsoft for $8.5 billion apparently: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/microsoft-to-buy-skype-for-8-5-billion/?ref=technology 13:22:44 <Mic2> The page is intended rather for how we use these terms 13:24:23 <clokep_meeting> OK. :) 13:26:47 <flo> unfortunately, we have 2 different meanings for "group" :( 13:27:01 <flo> there's the group inside purplexpcom, which is the tag of an account buddy 13:27:17 <flo> but there's also the "group" on the buddy list, which is the thing you can open/close and where contacts are displayed 13:28:45 <clokep_meeting> I usually refer to the ones in the buddy list as "tags" :/ 13:29:58 <flo> yeah, but the file is called group.xml 13:30:59 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 13:33:12 <clokep_meeting> Ah, I see. 13:33:45 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 13:35:10 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 13:38:42 <Mic2> I fixed some things, let me know if you think it would be ok to move it to a proper page and link to it 13:39:58 <clokep_meeting> Looks OK to me. 13:44:53 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 13:57:41 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 13:59:32 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 14:00:44 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 14:03:41 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 14:04:49 <Mic2> Have a nice day 14:04:59 <Mic2> *awesome day 14:05:00 <Mic2> :P 14:05:05 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 14:07:48 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 14:08:03 <-- wesj has left #instantbird () 14:27:14 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 14:40:56 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 14:44:35 <-- Chaz6- has quit 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left #instantbird () 19:37:44 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:37:45 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:37:54 <Mic> evening 19:38:15 <zachlr> hello Mic 19:45:42 <-- zachlr has left #instantbird () 19:45:54 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 20:00:37 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 20:10:16 <clokep_meeting> Hello. 20:18:38 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:18:38 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 20:26:05 <-- clokep_meeting has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:28:09 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 20:30:36 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 20:34:09 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 20:40:12 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 20:53:20 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:04:08 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:04:08 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 21:14:39 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 21:16:38 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 21:20:32 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 21:21:02 <Mic> good night 21:21:10 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 21:23:17 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Ping timeout) 21:36:37 --> Chaz6- has joined #instantbird 21:39:43 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 21:41:30 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 21:41:54 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 21:45:10 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:45:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 22:02:53 <-- Chaz6- has quit (Quit: Offline until this <censored> is fixed) 22:09:16 <clokep> Hello! :) 22:37:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 617 to bug 334. 22:37:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 enh, --, 0.3, florian, ASSI, Give the user a way to set a buddy icon and a display name 22:38:33 <flo> comments welcome of course. Even though I assume I won't find someone to review such a big patch ;). 22:55:22 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 22:55:54 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 23:12:26 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 23:12:53 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 23:14:21 --> Tonnes_ has joined #instantbird 23:14:42 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 23:15:10 * Tonnes_ is now known as Tonnes 23:16:46 <flo> Good night 23:16:48 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 23:17:53 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 23:28:57 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 23:38:55 --> Tonnes_ has joined #instantbird 23:39:11 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 23:39:14 * Tonnes_ is now known as Tonnes 23:40:44 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 23:44:18 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 23:44:38 --> Tonnes_ has joined #instantbird 23:46:04 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 23:46:28 <-- Tonnes_ has quit (Ping timeout)