#instantbird log on 05 08 2011

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17:08:01 <instantbot> nexxuscommand@yahoo.com added attachment 615 to bug 734.
17:08:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=734 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, The Forest database proposal
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20:40:47 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> do we have any expected time line on vv support?
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21:08:04 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: no
21:08:40 <flo> the only thing we know for sure about it is that it will be *after* someone starts working actively on it ;)
21:08:56 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> ‬LOL! Ok
21:10:12 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> I've swtiched back to Pidgin recently for the first time in years, just beacuse I've been giving everyone my Google Voice number, and that allows me to not have to keep GMail open in a web browser
21:14:07 <flo> you are on linux?
21:14:43 <flo> by the way, I may play a bit with that during the summer, but that's really not sure.
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21:15:43 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> flo: yes I am on linux
21:16:14 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> (from what I hear Google voice on Pidgin does not work on Windoze nor OSX
21:16:16 <flo> if anybody here likes classic cars, here are some pictures I took today (mostly french cars :-]) http://queze.net/goinfre/outreau-2011-05-08/
21:16:37 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: yeah, Pidgin supports voice and video only on Linux and only on XMPP.
21:17:05 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> there are French cars, I thought French only took the train ;-)
21:17:09 <flo> we are clearly not going to do something like that
21:17:27 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: nah. It's the planes that we don't take ;).
21:17:49 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> flo: meaning that whenever IB does get V&V it will be all or nothing? 
21:18:17 <flo> meaning that most users are on Windows and we can't claim we support Voice and video if most users can't try it
21:18:32 <flo> (even though developing anything for Windows is a PITA)
21:18:50 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> i only say that because i used to work for a French company that made after market in-car products, and most of the developers didn't even own cars, so they didn't seem to understand the complaints we got from US customers (that & i think they just figured all Americans were retards without even talking to any of us)
21:20:13 <flo> if they were in Paris (or any big city with "efficient" public transit system), they very likely don't need a car
21:20:50 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> which, of course being from Detroit, I think is total horse hockey
21:21:34 <flo> and believing all Americans are retards is a common misconception based on what poor journalism shows (which actually is an indication that lots of journalists are retards, not necessarily the americans ;))
21:22:14 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> :-) 
21:23:06 <flo> I'm not sure of what you mean by "horse hockey" by the way ;)
21:23:22 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> regardless, if you are developing an in-car infotainment solution, you really should drive a car, these guys just couldn't understand how users kept breaking this plastic remote they strapped to the steering wheel, if they drove a car, (and not just a test bench) they would have hit it a time or two and realized the issue
21:23:49 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> horse hockey = fooey OR total pile of shit, any better?
21:26:55 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: well, let me explain the thing I said about big city and public transit system: the public transit doesn't work well. But cars don't work at all, because those cities were built at a time when cars (except cars powered by living horses) didn't exist at all.
21:27:39 <flo> there's just not enough space for everybody to have and use a personal car without creating traffic jam that makes commuting even slower than using the poor public transit
21:29:03 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> of this I understand, but as a good Detroit American, regardless of any good argumetns or the like, I must hate anything and anyone that isn't Michgian Steel ^o)
21:29:46 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> [this coming from a guy who drives a VW]
21:29:53 <flo> ahah :)
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21:33:41 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: by the way, there are things in American cars or Japanese cars designed for the American market that don't make much sense here. Why do they believe we need several cupholders?
21:37:41 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> because usually we have several peopl in the car? why do Europeans not feel it necessary to put a clock in the radio? 
21:40:33 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: a single bottle of water is usually enough for everybody ;)
21:44:17 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: but about the cup holders, I was thinking of my uncle's new car that actually has several per seat!
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22:35:14 <flo> Good evening/night :)
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23:57:21 <clokep> Yes, Vertical Tabs is broken right now. Haven't had a chance to look at it yet.
23:57:33 <clokep> I would have no idea why a car would have multiple cup holders for each person. ;) That's ridiculous.
23:57:48 <clokep> And that's all my comments I think. :)
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