#instantbird log on 05 04 2011

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07:48:12 <Mic> Good morning
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10:34:20 <clokep> I agree Mic, I think that bug can be closed by the contacts stuff.
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10:39:50 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 225 to FIXED.
10:39:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225 enh, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, Display more information in the buddy list
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12:00:27 <clokep_work> So I played with those borders a bit last night, but couldn't really get much to show up and was having trouble remembering how to edit styles in DOMi. :-D Hopefully I can get it working tonight unless there is a CSS guru around. :P
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12:21:59 <tymerkaev> clokep_work: can I help you?
12:23:21 <clokep_work> tymerkaev: Possibly. :) Do you have Windows 7 and did you see the patches flo put up about the Firefox4 tabs?
12:23:23 <flo> tymerkaev: this is related to http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/110502#m119
12:23:44 <tymerkaev> yes; no
12:24:37 <tymerkaev> I'll test it right now
12:25:16 <clokep_work> tymerkaev: Awesome. :) I'm pretty sure something like this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638407 needs to be done, but have been busy / couldn't really get it working.
12:25:57 <tymerkaev> ah
12:26:22 <tymerkaev> it's my pain
12:27:09 <tymerkaev> maybe they forgot that thunderbird isn't firefox
12:27:33 <tymerkaev> but anyway
12:34:45 <clokep_work> Alright. I'm not sure what you mean by that, but OK! :)
12:36:16 <tymerkaev> I'll point out what I get once my build finishes.
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12:40:33 <flo> uh, the Firefox in my Windows VM is 3.5.13 :-S
12:44:45 <clokep_work> Might want to update that before you get lots of malware from all the security issues. :P
12:45:16 <flo> the VM already suffers from a big malware called windows ;)
12:45:48 <flo> but the reason why I want to update is to compare the tabs of Fx4 with those of my debug build and fix the details that aren't good yet
12:48:33 <clokep_work> Right. :)
12:50:08 <flo> so when I click the "Firefox" button, it disappears, the title in the title bar appears, and then the firefox button reappears 1s later. That looks so great... :-P
12:51:26 <clokep_work> Yeah, the Firefox button is still kind of shaky IMO. :(
12:52:47 <flo> and now Firefox is frozen and the Windows task manager fails to appear
12:53:30 <flo> ok, now Firefox is sorry about crashing, and I still don't have that task manager
12:53:32 <flo> pff
12:54:42 <flo> "there was a problem when submitting your report", followed by a startup crash :(
12:55:59 <clokep_work> I'll give you the advice apple would give you... reinstall the OS. ;)
12:57:07 <flo> to fix the padding of an icon?
12:57:42 <flo> why is there no longer a "start in safe mode" shortcut?
12:57:42 <clokep_work> Nah, to fix the installation issues.
12:57:54 <clokep_work> There's a "start with add-ons disabled"
12:58:08 <clokep_work> Under help
12:58:21 <flo> under help?
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12:58:33 <flo> how does that help with an add-on crashing Firefox at startup?
12:59:40 <clokep_work> Oh, you mean in the Start Menu?
12:59:42 <Mic2> I don't think they removed the safemode command line parameter ..
12:59:51 <Mic2> Why don't you just create a shortcut then?
12:59:54 <clokep_work> Yeah, they removed the shortcut, Idk why...
13:00:17 <flo> bah, it crashes in safe mode too
13:00:53 <flo> Mic2: "Why don't you just create a shortcut then?" that's what I did. But I was wondering how a user is supposed to react in that case...
13:01:42 <flo> "use IE" I guess :(
13:02:04 <Mic2> I usally don't crash with Firefox. No idea if they've put some safeguards there by now.
13:02:25 <Mic2> Like starting automatically in safemode when successive starts failed or something like that
13:02:35 <flo> the crashreporter log contains: "[05/04/11 14:54:29] Crash report submission failed: Not enough storage is available to process this command."
13:03:40 <flo> it's... interesting :-S that 206MB of free disk space is not enough to send a crash report of 2kB :-S
13:04:51 <Mic2> That's lots of free space indeed;)
13:05:31 <flo> bah, it just started without crashing
13:05:40 <flo> after 10 crashes at startup or so in a row...
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13:07:33 <Mic2> I think Windows XP starts complaining at less than 200 MB of free disk space, no idea if it might run into problems earlier already
13:08:07 <flo> hmm, and now DOM inspector is disabled because it's incompatible
13:08:10 <flo> was it compatible before?
13:08:54 <Mic2> The command line parameters suck .. :S Dashes in some and not in others - I think I've got to look it up every second time I need it :(
13:09:27 <flo> yeah, I use another less sucking operating system to type --help and see the result ;)
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13:17:06 <Mic2> hmm, the statusbar gets hidden when the contacts list is not tall enough? Was this added intentionally or is it a sideeffect of the hide-statusbar change for conversation windows?
13:17:45 <Mic2> I like it though..
13:17:50 <flo> probably a side effect
13:17:58 <flo> I don't think it hurts though :)
13:18:50 <Mic2> We don't need the status bar there anyway (at the moment)
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13:21:22 <Mic2> Shall we remove it maybe?
13:22:16 <flo> I would prefer add-in something useful in it :)
13:22:38 <flo> *adding
13:24:19 <Mic2> hehe, just found a Firefox bug .. a window resizer placed on top of a scroll button
13:25:49 <Mic2> And someone has already reported it:)
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13:41:39 <flo> Firefox just crashed again :(
13:51:58 <clokep_work> Take a screenshot, it'll last longer. ;)
13:53:20 <flo> I'm looking at various values in DOMi to compare with what they are in Instantbird
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14:07:20 <Mic2> Good luck with your work(s)
14:07:26 <Mic2> bye
14:07:31 <flo> bye
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14:21:53 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 606 to bug 768.
14:21:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs
14:23:05 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 607 to bug 768.
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14:53:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 768 to FIXED.
14:53:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 enh, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs
14:55:41 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 765 to FIXED.
14:55:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765 min, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, unknown.png missing on the Aero theme
14:59:45 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3e0f99aee2cd - Florian Quèze - Bug 768 - Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs.
14:59:46 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8690ac515d10 - Florian Quèze - Bug 765 - unknown.png missing on the Aero theme.
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15:15:45 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 771 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
15:15:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make aero conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs
15:38:54 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 534 to DUPLICATE of bug 768.
15:38:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534 enh, --, ---, tymerkaev, RESO DUPLICATE, New tabs style
15:38:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 enh, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs
15:40:16 <flo> ah, I didn't remember that bug existed, sorry :-/
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17:03:03 <tymerkaev> clokep_work: http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6807/68431574.png
17:03:59 <clokep_work> tymerkaev: The borders look great, but it previous had the glass affect behind the tabs though, what happened to that?
17:04:05 <clokep_work> s/previous/previously/
17:05:11 <tymerkaev> "Aero version included but disabled as it's not ready yet"
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17:06:09 <clokep_work> Right, the point was the fix the aero verison so it's good enough to be included. :)
17:07:02 <tymerkaev> I'll recompile very quick :)
17:07:26 <clokep_work> Haha, OK. :)
17:07:33 <clokep_work> It does look good though! Much nicer than what we have.
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17:34:54 <tymerkaev> clokep_work: http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6889/stephenhorlanderinstant.png
17:38:57 <clokep_work> tymerkaev: Right that's how it looked (kind of) in my screen shots too: http://imgur.com/Xd18u
17:40:26 <clokep_work> And also http://imgur.com/qOzIr
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19:12:37 <flo> I think I would like to sort my buddy list by status just for the pleasure of seeing the reorder animation often :-D
19:13:33 <clokep_work> There's a bug about sorting the participants list by status, idk about the buddy list. :P
19:14:11 <flo> I believe my patches (even the useless ones) would be accepted ;)
19:18:52 <flo> tymerkaev_away: it's very nice to have both screenshots at the same size and with the same content (except for the interesting changes of course), thanks!
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19:29:50 <Mic> flo: you said something about dynamic tags/groups one day (iirc with respect to favorite chat buddies)
19:30:14 <flo> I probably talked about it several times ;)
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19:30:48 <Mic> Could the status thing serve as test case for dynamic tags by tagging/moving buddies with the respective tags according to their status?
19:31:01 <Mic> *maybe
19:34:11 <flo> yes, any event that fires a notification could be used for dynamic tags.
19:34:54 <flo> but when I said I wanted to sort by status, it was inside the same group/tag (currently we sort alphabetically and we reorder only when the display name changes)
19:36:04 <Mic> ok, I thought you meant in general, not per group
19:39:08 <Mic> Ah :)
19:39:17 <flo> for dynamic tags I would like to have for example "people who are available, who I haven't talked to in the last few days and who I used to talk to often"
19:41:34 <Mic> Ah, hmm :(
19:43:01 <flo> what's ":(" about it?
19:43:05 <Mic> I'd really liked if there were a sort-method on groups that takes two contacts and returns the sort-order for them, so one could just replace it with another
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19:43:26 <flo> isn't that almost the case?
19:46:30 <flo> we could add a sortComparator method and use it in all places where we currently have a comparison on the names
19:46:41 <Mic> That's what I meant
19:47:33 <Mic> Right now it's pre-sorting on names when building the group and checking again/sorting in in addContact again (using the names again)
19:48:08 <flo> and checking in contact-display-name-changed too!
19:48:45 <Mic> I'll file a bug on this later if you like
19:49:20 <Mic> I seriously need to get a system where I can actually work on again :S
19:51:00 <flo> feel free to file a bug so that we don't forget it. I'll try to not work on it though, I'd rather finish 0.3 sooner than later ;).
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19:54:46 <clokep_work> Yeah, at this rate Firefox 7 will be out by the time we release 0.3. :P
19:54:55 <clokep_work> Oh wait, that's only like 10 weeks from now.
19:55:37 <flo> the 0.3 release?
19:56:16 <clokep_work> No, Firefox 7.
19:56:20 <flo> I think 0.3 will be the last major (in the sense "rewrite the world") release
19:56:38 <clokep_work> Mmhmm. After that it's just rewriting...continents?
19:56:46 <Mic> lol
19:56:58 <clokep_work> The code change from 0.2 to current must be rather dramatic though.
19:57:11 <flo> after that I'd like us to release approximately as often as Mozilla / libpurple, so that we don't take a year again to release the security fixes.
19:57:56 <flo> our alphas and betas are almost as stable as the final releases, the only difference is that there aren't enough user visible changes to claim it's a new product
19:58:27 <flo> and when people see the 0.<something> version number, they still claim it's "pre-alpha" anyway
19:59:01 * Mic must not troll about version numbers.
19:59:19 <flo> what about removing them completely? :-D
19:59:48 <flo> Instantbird 2011 Q2 instead of 0.3 :-D
19:59:52 <Mic> With silent updates that could work fine ;)
20:00:02 <flo> sure, silent updates
20:00:18 <flo> who needs a prompt before installing something that will crash at startup anyway ;)
20:02:58 <clokep_work> Our alpha's are awfully stable, just that it doesn't have all the stuff we said will be 0.3...so we release it as a pre-release. ;)
20:03:34 <flo> yeah, we should not release alphas anymore :)
20:09:56 <clokep_work> Hah. So when's 0.3b1 being released? :P
20:10:26 <flo> yesterday
20:10:36 <clokep_work> I guess really the only reason we couldn't have called 0.3a1 0.3 is because it has bugs/regressions in it though?
20:11:37 <flo> yeah
20:11:57 <flo> there's also the problem of user expectations based on the difference between 2 numbers
20:12:54 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 772 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
20:12:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use a sortComparator function on groups to allow easy changing of the order of contacts
20:13:06 <Mic> good night
20:13:15 <flo> I would also like to see how all this can continue to work if I reduce my involvement (like if I get a job someday)
20:13:20 <flo> Mic: good night :)
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20:14:26 <tymerkaev> flo: np
20:16:46 <clokep_work> flo: Jobs? Who needs that? ;) But yes, development would certainly slow down. :(
20:17:12 <flo> clokep_work: only people who need food ;)
20:17:45 <clokep_work> Find a rich lady friend?
20:19:06 <clokep_work> Well I guess it's a question of driving up users / contributors, which I have no idea how to do. :-D
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20:20:37 <flo> finding a rich lady friend is a question of driving up users? Users of what exactly? :-P
20:20:55 <clokep_work> Two unrelated thoughts. :)
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20:31:36 <clokep_work> Bye!
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20:54:09 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 773 filed by nexxuscommand@yahoo.com.
20:54:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Allow for Different Message Styles Themes Per Buddy
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22:00:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b430dd24a5f4 - Florian Quèze - Fix JS errors when merging 2 contacts displayed in the 'Other Contacts' group.
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22:18:32 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 774 filed by nexxuscommand@yahoo.com.
22:18:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=774 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Resizable Account Properties dialogue box
22:20:16 <flo> Good night :)
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