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I'm not sure what you mean by that, but OK! :) 12:36:16 <tymerkaev> I'll point out what I get once my build finishes. 12:36:26 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 12:40:33 <flo> uh, the Firefox in my Windows VM is 3.5.13 :-S 12:44:45 <clokep_work> Might want to update that before you get lots of malware from all the security issues. :P 12:45:16 <flo> the VM already suffers from a big malware called windows ;) 12:45:48 <flo> but the reason why I want to update is to compare the tabs of Fx4 with those of my debug build and fix the details that aren't good yet 12:48:33 <clokep_work> Right. :) 12:50:08 <flo> so when I click the "Firefox" button, it disappears, the title in the title bar appears, and then the firefox button reappears 1s later. That looks so great... :-P 12:51:26 <clokep_work> Yeah, the Firefox button is still kind of shaky IMO. :( 12:52:47 <flo> and now Firefox is frozen and the Windows task manager fails to appear 12:53:30 <flo> ok, now Firefox is sorry about crashing, and I still don't have that task manager 12:53:32 <flo> pff 12:54:42 <flo> "there was a problem when submitting your report", followed by a startup crash :( 12:55:59 <clokep_work> I'll give you the advice apple would give you... reinstall the OS. ;) 12:57:07 <flo> to fix the padding of an icon? 12:57:42 <flo> why is there no longer a "start in safe mode" shortcut? 12:57:42 <clokep_work> Nah, to fix the installation issues. 12:57:54 <clokep_work> There's a "start with add-ons disabled" 12:58:08 <clokep_work> Under help 12:58:21 <flo> under help? 12:58:28 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 12:58:33 <flo> how does that help with an add-on crashing Firefox at startup? 12:59:40 <clokep_work> Oh, you mean in the Start Menu? 12:59:42 <Mic2> I don't think they removed the safemode command line parameter .. 12:59:51 <Mic2> Why don't you just create a shortcut then? 12:59:54 <clokep_work> Yeah, they removed the shortcut, Idk why... 13:00:17 <flo> bah, it crashes in safe mode too 13:00:53 <flo> Mic2: "Why don't you just create a shortcut then?" that's what I did. But I was wondering how a user is supposed to react in that case... 13:01:42 <flo> "use IE" I guess :( 13:02:04 <Mic2> I usally don't crash with Firefox. No idea if they've put some safeguards there by now. 13:02:25 <Mic2> Like starting automatically in safemode when successive starts failed or something like that 13:02:35 <flo> the crashreporter log contains: "[05/04/11 14:54:29] Crash report submission failed: Not enough storage is available to process this command." 13:03:40 <flo> it's... interesting :-S that 206MB of free disk space is not enough to send a crash report of 2kB :-S 13:04:51 <Mic2> That's lots of free space indeed;) 13:05:31 <flo> bah, it just started without crashing 13:05:40 <flo> after 10 crashes at startup or so in a row... 13:06:25 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 13:07:33 <Mic2> I think Windows XP starts complaining at less than 200 MB of free disk space, no idea if it might run into problems earlier already 13:08:07 <flo> hmm, and now DOM inspector is disabled because it's incompatible 13:08:10 <flo> was it compatible before? 13:08:54 <Mic2> The command line parameters suck .. :S Dashes in some and not in others - I think I've got to look it up every second time I need it :( 13:09:27 <flo> yeah, I use another less sucking operating system to type --help and see the result ;) 13:10:40 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 13:11:07 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 13:12:29 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:17:06 <Mic2> hmm, the statusbar gets hidden when the contacts list is not tall enough? Was this added intentionally or is it a sideeffect of the hide-statusbar change for conversation windows? 13:17:45 <Mic2> I like it though.. 13:17:50 <flo> probably a side effect 13:17:58 <flo> I don't think it hurts though :) 13:18:50 <Mic2> We don't need the status bar there anyway (at the moment) 13:19:28 <-- clokep_work has quit (Connection timed out) 13:21:22 <Mic2> Shall we remove it maybe? 13:22:16 <flo> I would prefer add-in something useful in it :) 13:22:38 <flo> *adding 13:24:19 <Mic2> hehe, just found a Firefox bug .. a window resizer placed on top of a scroll button 13:25:49 <Mic2> And someone has already reported it:) 13:25:55 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 13:25:55 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 13:35:33 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 13:41:39 <flo> Firefox just crashed again :( 13:51:58 <clokep_work> Take a screenshot, it'll last longer. ;) 13:53:20 <flo> I'm looking at various values in DOMi to compare with what they are in Instantbird 13:54:43 * clokep_work is now known as clokep_meeting 14:07:20 <Mic2> Good luck with your work(s) 14:07:26 <Mic2> bye 14:07:31 <flo> bye 14:07:39 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 14:12:10 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:21:53 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 606 to bug 768. 14:21:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs 14:23:05 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 607 to bug 768. 14:26:53 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 14:36:26 <-- clokep_meeting has quit (Connection timed out) 14:53:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 768 to FIXED. 14:53:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 enh, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs 14:55:41 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 765 to FIXED. 14:55:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765 min, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, unknown.png missing on the Aero theme 14:59:45 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3e0f99aee2cd - Florian Quèze - Bug 768 - Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs. 14:59:46 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8690ac515d10 - Florian Quèze - Bug 765 - unknown.png missing on the Aero theme. 15:06:09 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 15:06:09 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 15:15:45 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 771 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 15:15:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make aero conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs 15:38:54 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 534 to DUPLICATE of bug 768. 15:38:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534 enh, --, ---, tymerkaev, RESO DUPLICATE, New tabs style 15:38:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768 enh, --, 0.3a3, florian, RESO FIXED, Make conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs 15:40:16 <flo> ah, I didn't remember that bug existed, sorry :-/ 15:42:37 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 15:53:26 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 15:55:52 <-- clokep_work has quit (Connection timed out) 16:03:46 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 16:03:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 16:05:19 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 16:09:11 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:09:40 <-- wesj has left #instantbird () 16:14:16 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 16:18:29 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: I must go. Good bye!) 16:20:04 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 16:36:39 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 16:46:51 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 16:49:21 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 16:51:35 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 16:51:35 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 16:52:11 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:52:43 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 16:53:54 <-- wesj has left #instantbird () 17:02:23 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 17:03:03 <tymerkaev> clokep_work: http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6807/68431574.png 17:03:59 <clokep_work> tymerkaev: The borders look great, but it previous had the glass affect behind the tabs though, what happened to that? 17:04:05 <clokep_work> s/previous/previously/ 17:05:11 <tymerkaev> "Aero version included but disabled as it's not ready yet" 17:05:30 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:06:09 <clokep_work> Right, the point was the fix the aero verison so it's good enough to be included. :) 17:07:02 <tymerkaev> I'll recompile very quick :) 17:07:26 <clokep_work> Haha, OK. :) 17:07:33 <clokep_work> It does look good though! Much nicer than what we have. 17:08:52 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:17:25 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 17:17:43 <-- wesj has left #instantbird () 17:34:54 <tymerkaev> clokep_work: http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6889/stephenhorlanderinstant.png 17:38:57 <clokep_work> tymerkaev: Right that's how it looked (kind of) in my screen shots too: http://imgur.com/Xd18u 17:40:26 <clokep_work> And also http://imgur.com/qOzIr 17:41:45 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 17:42:24 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 17:49:51 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 17:52:56 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:17:51 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 18:24:12 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:32:02 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 18:44:50 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 18:45:14 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 18:49:31 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 18:55:51 --> tymerkaev_away has joined #instantbird 18:56:44 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 18:58:53 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:02:03 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 19:02:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 19:04:20 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19:10:48 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:10:48 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:12:37 <flo> I think I would like to sort my buddy list by status just for the pleasure of seeing the reorder animation often :-D 19:13:33 <clokep_work> There's a bug about sorting the participants list by status, idk about the buddy list. :P 19:14:11 <flo> I believe my patches (even the useless ones) would be accepted ;) 19:18:52 <flo> tymerkaev_away: it's very nice to have both screenshots at the same size and with the same content (except for the interesting changes of course), thanks! 19:18:57 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:19:56 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 19:27:29 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:27:29 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:29:50 <Mic> flo: you said something about dynamic tags/groups one day (iirc with respect to favorite chat buddies) 19:30:14 <flo> I probably talked about it several times ;) 19:30:23 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:30:48 <Mic> Could the status thing serve as test case for dynamic tags by tagging/moving buddies with the respective tags according to their status? 19:31:01 <Mic> *maybe 19:34:11 <flo> yes, any event that fires a notification could be used for dynamic tags. 19:34:54 <flo> but when I said I wanted to sort by status, it was inside the same group/tag (currently we sort alphabetically and we reorder only when the display name changes) 19:36:04 <Mic> ok, I thought you meant in general, not per group 19:39:08 <Mic> Ah :) 19:39:17 <flo> for dynamic tags I would like to have for example "people who are available, who I haven't talked to in the last few days and who I used to talk to often" 19:41:34 <Mic> Ah, hmm :( 19:43:01 <flo> what's ":(" about it? 19:43:05 <Mic> I'd really liked if there were a sort-method on groups that takes two contacts and returns the sort-order for them, so one could just replace it with another 19:43:06 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 19:43:26 <flo> isn't that almost the case? 19:46:30 <flo> we could add a sortComparator method and use it in all places where we currently have a comparison on the names 19:46:41 <Mic> That's what I meant 19:47:33 <Mic> Right now it's pre-sorting on names when building the group and checking again/sorting in in addContact again (using the names again) 19:48:08 <flo> and checking in contact-display-name-changed too! 19:48:45 <Mic> I'll file a bug on this later if you like 19:49:20 <Mic> I seriously need to get a system where I can actually work on again :S 19:51:00 <flo> feel free to file a bug so that we don't forget it. I'll try to not work on it though, I'd rather finish 0.3 sooner than later ;). 19:52:18 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 19:52:18 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 19:54:46 <clokep_work> Yeah, at this rate Firefox 7 will be out by the time we release 0.3. :P 19:54:55 <clokep_work> Oh wait, that's only like 10 weeks from now. 19:55:37 <flo> the 0.3 release? 19:56:16 <clokep_work> No, Firefox 7. 19:56:20 <flo> I think 0.3 will be the last major (in the sense "rewrite the world") release 19:56:38 <clokep_work> Mmhmm. After that it's just rewriting...continents? 19:56:46 <Mic> lol 19:56:58 <clokep_work> The code change from 0.2 to current must be rather dramatic though. 19:57:11 <flo> after that I'd like us to release approximately as often as Mozilla / libpurple, so that we don't take a year again to release the security fixes. 19:57:56 <flo> our alphas and betas are almost as stable as the final releases, the only difference is that there aren't enough user visible changes to claim it's a new product 19:58:27 <flo> and when people see the 0.<something> version number, they still claim it's "pre-alpha" anyway 19:59:01 * Mic must not troll about version numbers. 19:59:19 <flo> what about removing them completely? :-D 19:59:48 <flo> Instantbird 2011 Q2 instead of 0.3 :-D 19:59:52 <Mic> With silent updates that could work fine ;) 20:00:02 <flo> sure, silent updates 20:00:18 <flo> who needs a prompt before installing something that will crash at startup anyway ;) 20:02:58 <clokep_work> Our alpha's are awfully stable, just that it doesn't have all the stuff we said will be 0.3...so we release it as a pre-release. ;) 20:03:34 <flo> yeah, we should not release alphas anymore :) 20:09:56 <clokep_work> Hah. So when's 0.3b1 being released? :P 20:10:26 <flo> yesterday 20:10:36 <clokep_work> I guess really the only reason we couldn't have called 0.3a1 0.3 is because it has bugs/regressions in it though? 20:11:37 <flo> yeah 20:11:57 <flo> there's also the problem of user expectations based on the difference between 2 numbers 20:12:54 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 772 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 20:12:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use a sortComparator function on groups to allow easy changing of the order of contacts 20:13:06 <Mic> good night 20:13:15 <flo> I would also like to see how all this can continue to work if I reduce my involvement (like if I get a job someday) 20:13:20 <flo> Mic: good night :) 20:13:24 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 20:14:17 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 20:14:26 <tymerkaev> flo: np 20:16:46 <clokep_work> flo: Jobs? Who needs that? ;) But yes, development would certainly slow down. :( 20:17:12 <flo> clokep_work: only people who need food ;) 20:17:45 <clokep_work> Find a rich lady friend? 20:19:06 <clokep_work> Well I guess it's a question of driving up users / contributors, which I have no idea how to do. :-D 20:19:06 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 20:20:37 <flo> finding a rich lady friend is a question of driving up users? Users of what exactly? :-P 20:20:55 <clokep_work> Two unrelated thoughts. :) 20:27:08 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 20:31:36 <clokep_work> Bye! 20:31:39 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:34:07 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 20:43:24 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:43:39 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 20:53:05 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 20:54:09 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 773 filed by nexxuscommand@yahoo.com. 20:54:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Allow for Different Message Styles Themes Per Buddy 20:59:19 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 21:02:47 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Ping timeout) 21:16:51 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 21:17:16 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 21:19:12 --> Tonnes_ has joined #instantbird 21:19:35 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 21:19:53 * Tonnes_ is now known as Tonnes 21:23:11 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 21:27:46 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 21:28:25 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 21:36:38 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 21:58:41 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 22:00:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b430dd24a5f4 - Florian Quèze - Fix JS errors when merging 2 contacts displayed in the 'Other Contacts' group. 22:06:44 <-- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout) 22:13:23 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 22:14:03 --> flo has joined #instantbird 22:14:03 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 22:17:28 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:18:32 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 774 filed by nexxuscommand@yahoo.com. 22:18:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=774 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Resizable Account Properties dialogue box 22:20:16 <flo> Good night :) 22:20:39 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a3pre) 22:21:56 --> Mathnerd314 has joined #instantbird 22:32:10 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 23:14:34 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 23:14:54 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 23:25:52 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 23:26:13 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird