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12:02:29 <Mic2> Hello
12:09:47 <clokep_work> Hello.
12:09:49 <Mic2> flo: would Omegle from the addons repository work with current nightlies? I don't have mozilla-build here and can't try myself..
12:11:47 <clokep_work> Mic2: I think it should, flo was just using it a few days ago (and might have updated a couple of things in it).
12:13:06 <Mic2> Is it possible to add someone to the buddy list using js-irc by the way?
12:14:21 <clokep_work> I haven't done anything to implement that yet. I also wouldn't be checking if they're online or not.
12:14:49 <Mic2> hmm, ok. Was just curious if I'd find code how to do that in js-irc
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12:17:21 <clokep_work> No, but if you do figure out how to do it...please let me know. :)
12:17:37 <clokep_work> Are you trying to do it for a different account type?
12:18:12 <Mic2> I wanted to spend the afternoon playing around with js protocols and maybe summing it up in a wiki article one day
12:19:00 <Mic2> The idea was to allow to add Windows computer names to the contact list and send messages via net send/msg
12:19:33 <clokep_work> Right.
12:19:43 <clokep_work> I have some code that's not online that adds people to the buddy list. :)
12:19:52 <clokep_work> I can point you to what needs to be implemented?
12:20:02 <clokep_work> Although I think it's mostly straightforward...
12:20:09 <Mic2> Would be great, I'm starting from zero 
12:21:18 <clokep_work> Alright. Give me a minute. :)
12:22:49 <clokep_work> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/imIContactsService.idl#50 is the basic part of adding contacts/buddies.
12:24:39 <clokep_work> Pretty much you create an account buddy (which should have a proto in jsProtoHelper) and then add the AccountBuddy, I think you might have to create a tag up front also. I chose to just hard code one when I was playing with some stuff.
12:25:04 <clokep_work> (You might want to use the name of the Windows workgroup or the network name? ;))
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12:28:17 <Mic2> ah, jsProtoHelper is in purple/purplexpcom/src/ .. 
12:28:26 <Mic2> I somehow expected it to be with the other modules
12:30:24 <clokep_work> Mic2: We have a bug to move a lot of that stuff around (if you saw it go by...)
12:30:57 <Mic2> I only scanned over the logs; must have missed it
12:33:23 <clokep_work> Yeah there's a bug to split jsProtoHelper up a bit and to reorganize purplexpcom (among other things).
12:35:39 <clokep_work> bug 758 and bug 759
12:35:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Clean up jsProtoHelper
12:35:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reorganize purplexpcom
12:36:40 <clokep_work> I might be able to give you some more ideas about the adding to blist part if you need help, but I don't remember it being more than a few lines of code. :)
12:39:54 <Mic2> Later then.. I need to do all the basic/annoying stuff first
12:40:27 <clokep_work> :) Right.
12:40:44 <clokep_work> We should probably make a protocol template too that has all the functions and is just empty.
12:40:49 <Mic2> :D
12:40:54 <Mic2> I was just about to say that
12:41:21 <Mic2> Maybe I can copy something from Omegle/js-irc
12:41:30 <clokep_work> You should be able to.
12:41:37 <clokep_work> Also Twitter is JS tw.
12:41:38 <clokep_work> btw
12:46:12 <clokep_work> Which is in purplexpcom/purple/src too, for whatever reason. :P
12:48:33 <Mic2> Doesn't matter anymore, I resort to hg/lxr search now :P
12:51:30 <clokep_work> Got it. :) There should probably be documentation in jsProtoHelper / a document. So if stuff doesn't make sense...let me know.
12:51:37 <clokep_work> There's also the jsTestProtocol I think it's called.
13:06:32 <flo> yeah, jsTest is supposed to be extremely easy to read :)
13:07:01 <flo> I updated Omegle last week, and would have put it on AIO if the upload didn't fail for some unknown reason
13:07:19 <flo> I have an xpi if you want to play with it.
13:07:40 <flo> but it doesn't do anything with the buddy list (it just starts a conversation with a random stranger each time you connect the account from the account manager)
13:07:50 <Mic2> As long as it works for sure I'm fine with the source
13:08:08 <flo> the source is in the repository
13:08:27 <flo> and I think typing "make" twice in the omegle folder will produce a working xpi
13:08:44 <clokep_work> Interesting link: http://billionsconnected.com/blog/2008/08/global-im-market-share-im-usage/
13:09:04 <Mic2> I don't have a build system here, that's the problem
13:09:09 <flo> (you need to call make twice because of a bug in the rules.mk file that cause the chrome.manifest file to not be packaged the first time :-/. I started hacking around that the other day and haven't finished)
13:09:32 <flo> by the way, documenting js-proto a bit is a great idea
13:09:46 <flo> it's likely to help our SoC student get started :)
13:10:10 <flo> clokep_work: I've used that study so much for my slides during the last 3 years ;)
13:10:19 <flo> too bad there's not an updated version ;)
13:11:10 <clokep_work> flo: I know. It's also the only study I've ever seen that has real data it seems. I have a feeling Gtalk?Facebook/Skype have impacted the playing field a lot too.
13:11:38 <flo> has skype increased in your area?
13:11:39 <clokep_work> flo: Documenting is mostly the same as the interfaces...except where we do JS magic to get rid of the XPCOM stuff. Is there an SoC student then? :P
13:12:03 <flo> clokep_work: the selected SoC students were announced yesterday
13:12:10 <clokep_work> flo: While TAing I noticed a lot of students on Skype all the time (and text chatting on it), my generation only uses it for VV.
13:12:25 <clokep_work> (Haha, "generation" being like 3 years difference here. ;P)
13:13:17 <flo> clokep_work: ahah. Same for me. It was used by "my generation" for audio while we were still on dialup modems, because it was the only service that still had an acceptable sound quality for such a low bandwith :)
13:14:20 <clokep_work> Yeah, but I use AIM/Gtalk for all my friends...they were talkign to multiple people on Skype. Which makes me cringe from a UX point of view.
13:15:26 <flo> my generation discovered IM with AIM (because AOL was the first ISP to offer unlimited internet access plans and installed its crappy software by default)
13:15:37 <flo> then moved on to MSN (it was installed by default in Windows...)
13:15:47 <Mic2> Skype is used a lot among my friends for all of audio/video and IM chats
13:15:52 <clokep_work> Yup AIM since it as part of the dial up infrastructure. :)
13:16:01 <flo> and now seems to use mostly facebook in the average. More geek people tend to use GTalk instead.
13:16:26 <Mic2> I was thinking more of a how-do-create-a-protocol than actual documentation
13:16:39 <flo> Mic2: that's what I understood
13:16:47 <clokep_work> Mic2: I think the documentation part was pointed to me. :)
13:16:51 <Mic2> Ah :)
13:17:00 <flo> "where do I start? what should I read? example code to copy/paste and have fun asap, ..." :)
13:17:29 <Mic2> Yep, and stuff like: where do I find jsProtoHelpder in the source code? :P
13:17:39 <Mic2> scnr
13:17:44 <flo> some high level explanation about which part of the source code is what
13:18:06 <Mic2> I need to understand that myself first though ;)
13:18:26 <flo> like: no, seeing that something is implemented in C++ is not a good excuse for saying you can't do it in a js-proto, that code may be only used for libpurple plugins.
13:18:27 * instantbot mumbles something about c++ being evil
13:18:37 <flo> Mic2: sure!
13:18:57 <flo> the idea for that kind of documentation is: figure it out first, then explain what I learnt (= what wasn't immediately obvious)
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13:20:09 <flo> documenting it that way is much more useful than having someone who designed the whole thing explain random things at length. It's important to know what's hard to understand and to write only about that :).
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13:21:13 <Mic2> Either way, I need a cup of coffee now ;)
13:21:14 <Mic2> bbl
13:26:32 <flo> oui
13:27:25 <clokep_work> Can we make varuna use Mercurial so I don't have to install Git? :P
13:28:47 <flo> that's a good point! ahah :)
13:29:20 <flo> do you think should ask him to blog about his progress rather than just updating a wiki page?
13:30:10 <clokep_work> I think a blog is nicer because it has a history to it.
13:31:14 <flo> and people can comment without mixing it with the original content itself
13:32:49 <flo> a wikipage with a todo list / kind of roadmap could still be useful though
13:42:04 <clokep_work> Yes, that could be useful.
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13:42:56 <clokep_work> Should jsProtoHelper be documented in the code or in the wiki (or both)? :)
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13:58:13 <flo> whatever seems the most useful :)
13:58:53 <clokep_work> Inline + generate documentation is the most useful. ;) One thing Java did right.
14:02:59 * clokep_work was wondering whether ForwardProtocolPlugin should allow some sort of overriding of the base.
14:03:37 <clokep_work> I.e. the Facebook chat has a different UsernameSplit, but it's rather grossly added in there. :)
14:18:27 <Mic2> The omegle protocol plugin should have a "Quit on A/S/L" option by the way ;)
14:19:03 <flo> or auto reply :)
14:19:11 <flo> with either a predefined, or random answer :)
14:19:46 <flo> I'm currently trying to make the CSS of Firefox 4 tabs work on Instantbird. Starting with the Mac version.
14:20:20 <clokep_work> :-D
14:20:24 <clokep_work> Nice.
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14:30:19 <tymerkaev> flo: I hope you won't spend time on their outer curves?
14:30:49 <flo> tymerkaev: is there a specific problem I should be aware of to save time? :)
14:33:15 <tymerkaev> that's only one thing which you can't do through css
14:33:52 <flo> they are done with svg masks, aren't they?
14:34:03 <flo> that part seems to work by the way :)
14:35:50 <tymerkaev> yes, but I'm not sure having a lot of css and svg code to see 3x3px outer curve would be good at all
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14:36:32 <flo> tymerkaev: actually, it would take time to remove them ;)
14:39:02 <clokep_work> flo: Aren't Mac tabs in Fx 4 upside down compare to Instantbird, though?
14:39:11 <flo> yes
14:41:07 <flo> this is what I currently have: http://queze.net/goinfre/fx4tabs-mac-wip.png
14:44:08 * clokep_work thinks this is going to break Vertical Tabs. ;)
14:44:27 <clokep_work> Well probably not break...but mean I should do an update.
14:45:32 <flo> clokep_work: currently, most of the changes in tabbrowser.xml only remove #ifdef XP_MACOSX crap :)
14:46:31 <clokep_work> Good. :)
14:46:50 <clokep_work> Although if I want my tabs to match and just be sideways, I'll need to update.
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14:50:19 * flo likes http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/50ebd8af726d :)
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14:57:27 <clokep_work> Removing lots of code is always a plus.
14:57:39 <flo> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/c81b1a445426/browser/base/content/tabbrowser.xml :)
15:01:08 <clokep_work> Ah, so you're pretty much resyncing tabbrowser to Fx4s?
15:02:02 <flo> the new CSS doesn't apply to our markup
15:05:31 <flo> I'm not fully syncing them though. Just each time something doesn't work, I look for the fastest solution between adapting the CSS or the binding :)
15:06:27 <flo> only 2 ifdef XP_MACOSX remain, for different key behaviors :)
15:07:02 <clokep_work> :)
15:20:31 <clokep_work> I assume we can't get rid of the different key behaviors though, right?
15:20:46 <flo> we don't want to at least :)
15:21:06 <clokep_work> Sorry, I meant can't get rid of it being preprocessed. :)
15:21:46 <flo> we could try to change them at runtime, but that's not worth the effort.
15:22:30 <clokep_work> Right. :)
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15:26:51 <Mic2> I just had an idea concerning keys and shortcuts .. do you think it might work to add different <key>'s to a keyset that have the same key and the same modifier and a different command?
15:27:00 <Mic2> I think that way I could work around a problem in bug 462
15:27:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462 nor, --, 0.3a1, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Accesskeys on preferences window
15:27:17 <Mic2> umm, bug 418
15:27:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Keyboard shortcut to open "Join chat" dialog from conversation windows
15:31:52 <flo> Mic2: I'm not sure, but the behavior I would expect from what I remember of similar cases would be to have only one of the commands called
15:43:59 <Mic2> That's not was I was hoping for ;)
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16:42:43 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 764 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
16:42:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Minimize/hide contacts list with the Escape key
16:57:04 <Mic2> We definitely need docs for js-protocols ;)
16:57:24 <Mic2> Have a nice day for now
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17:00:12 <clokep_work> I guess Mic doesn't find my code readable. ;)
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17:02:08 <flo> clokep_work: or is it mine? ;)
17:02:39 <flo> I also believe that some of the most confusing things need to be rewritten rather than documented
17:03:17 <flo> I scratch my head each time I need to touch something that's related to the purpleIAccount/purpleIAccountBase separation, especially when there's some prototype inheritance above it :)
17:07:35 <clokep_work> Right.
17:07:50 <clokep_work> I don't think I've ever attempted to understand the difference. :-D
17:08:28 <clokep_work> Some of my code isn't super readable (somehow take these random JS objects and XPCOMify them into what purplexpcom expects), but it's not too bad when you look at it.
17:08:47 <clokep_work> But people making protocols shouldn't have to understand jsProtoHelper in a lot of ways, just how to use it.
17:09:39 <flo> right. It hides the complicated code away, but it also hides the only currently documented part (the XPCOM interfaces)
17:11:08 <clokep_work> Exactly. Which is why I'm a bit unsure how to go about odcumenting it...it might be best to just put the documentation in a skeleton protocol that goes along w/ it.
17:25:01 <flo> the maybe you just want to improve and comment extensively jsTest ?
17:25:58 <clokep_work> Possibly. :)
17:27:43 <flo> It's annoying how the eyes notice when things are off even by a single pixel :(
17:28:04 <clokep_work> Yes.
17:28:23 <clokep_work> After using Time Bubbles...and like actually being on my computer doing other stuff, I don't really notice it as much.
17:30:22 <flo> I didn't even think of moving things
17:31:01 <flo> just the bottom of my tabs that were wrong by 2-3px on my previous screenshot, and are still off by 1 pixel now even after I found and fixed a problem
17:34:39 <clokep_work> margin-bottom: -1px? ;)
17:34:52 <flo> -2px already :-P
17:35:12 <flo> at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/themes/pinstripe/browser/browser.css#1768
17:37:11 <clokep_work> So -3px obviously. :)
17:47:38 <clokep_work> I was having a lot of that probelsm when verticalizing the tabs, I think I ended up just hacking around it and adding more shifts though. Strange that it's acting differently than the Fx ones. :(
17:51:41 <flo> it's just that something is missing somewhere :)
18:00:56 <clokep_work> Always the hard part. :P
18:01:07 <clokep_work> Can I convince you to add glass to the conversation window while you're at it? ;)
18:05:29 <flo> no.
18:05:45 <flo> my Windows VM runs XP SP2
18:06:17 <clokep_work> Oh, right. I forgot you don't have aero at all. Never mind then. :)
18:06:30 <flo> I'm not even sure of which part of the window is supposed to use glass
18:06:31 <clokep_work> I was playing with it a little the other day, but couldn't get the proper formatting in the CSS. :-/
18:06:43 <clokep_work> Behind the tabs / menubars pretty much.
18:06:55 <flo> ah, you may have it then
18:07:04 <flo> as I'll do the windows version on XP
18:07:29 <flo> and then the -aero version by diffing the normal and -aero version of Firefox, and applying the changes to my working version
18:08:03 <clokep_work> Right. Let me know if you need me to test it then.
18:08:34 <flo> I'll get half a dozen people telling me how obviously wrong it looks the day after I land it anyway ;)
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18:10:48 <clokep_work> Well...I'm willing to attempt fixing things as I see them. :P
18:13:00 <flo> :)
18:14:20 <flo> integrating personna will be fun too...
18:15:00 <clokep_work> Ah, so not volunteering for that one.
18:15:31 * clokep_work doesn't even really like Personas.
18:15:41 <flo> it's completely useless
18:15:58 <flo> that's why users want it :)
18:16:36 <flo> just kidding anyway :)
18:18:33 <clokep_work> I'd rather they just made (most) themes restartless instead of a separate category.
18:18:34 <clokep_work> Same w/ Jetpacks.
18:18:37 <clokep_work> Makes it confusing.
18:21:37 <clokep_work> This is pretty neat. :) https://mozillalabs.com/?p=6325
18:21:41 <clokep_work> We could so make that into a protocol. ;)
18:24:15 <flo> so they are so enthusiastic about being able to now do something that would have required flash before that they demonstrate it... in a flash video?
18:25:22 <clokep_work> :)
18:25:27 <clokep_work> I'll be back.
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20:07:33 <clokep_work> But yes, they usually use flash videos for some reason. :( I know streaming doesn't work (well?) w/o flash yet...but that's not a streaming video.
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21:15:18 <clokep> Hello.
21:24:39 <igorko> hi dude
21:25:27 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/664 My build error
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21:53:12 <flo> clokep: very strange
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22:31:22 <clokep> flo: I agree. :( Not sure what's wrong with my setup...
22:31:40 <clokep> I thought about just trying to build the null protocol and nothing else, haven't gotten around ot it yet though.
22:31:41 <flo> could you maybe pastebin something a bit larger?
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22:36:01 <clokep> I can paste bin the whole file, one second.
22:39:02 <clokep> When I run it now I only get the same thing over and over...
22:39:48 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/665
22:44:25 <flo> wait, you removed the gg protocol from the list?
22:45:11 <clokep> I had tried to, but I'm not sure that actually worked...
22:45:28 <clokep> (I edited purple/libpurple/Makefile and removed the line that contained gg)
22:45:36 <flo> I think you have some dependency files that still want it
22:45:36 <clokep> (I edited that in the obj-dir)
22:45:50 <clokep> Hmm.m...OK.
22:46:14 <flo> try removing the ".deps" folder in purple/libpurple/ if there is one
22:48:28 <clokep> Same error.
22:48:34 <clokep> I'll see what I can do.
23:03:18 <flo> maybe try |make clean| in purple/libpurple maybe before building that folder again
23:04:20 <clokep> Alright. Thanks. :)
23:09:50 <clokep> Same problem.
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23:29:46 <flo> that's strange
23:30:07 <flo> have you tried editing the Makefile.in file instead of the generated makefile (which shouldn't be edited directly)?
23:32:39 <clokep> I'm trying that now.
23:33:41 <clokep> If I edit the Makefile.in...is there a way to just rebuild that part (i.e. purple)?
23:33:57 <flo> the makefile will be updated automatically
23:34:07 <clokep> Ah, OK.
23:34:55 <flo> the downside is: that works only when the makefile currently in the folder is parsable. If you make a typo in the makefile.in, the newly generated makefile may not work and you can't just "make" to get the next makefile update ;)
23:35:59 <clokep> I don't make typos. ;)
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