#instantbird log on 04 18 2011

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11:58:49 <varuna> clokep_work: hi
11:59:22 <varuna> is the socket.js in the irc extension handling invalid certificates?
11:59:23 <clokep_work> Hello varuna.
11:59:53 <clokep_work> I'm not sure if it'll handle invalid certificates or not, it should at least throw into the SSL error handler I believe.
11:59:53 <varuna> it didn't work for me :P ... and got it working a bit after changing some stuff (add the getInterface method etc)
12:00:20 <varuna> but still the adding exception dialog didn't work when opened from he extension
12:00:28 <varuna> yeah it gave the ssl error
12:01:05 <clokep_work> It's quite possible it's not implemented fully. It was only briefly tested.
12:01:12 <varuna> i was trying to login to gtalk with starttls and failed
12:01:17 <varuna> worked with ssl easily though
12:01:21 <varuna> ok
12:01:37 <clokep_work> Wait, you mean you tried to log in without SSL and it failed, but worked OK w/ SSL?
12:01:50 <varuna> so if by anychance i get to do this project and i need to change it will we be sharing or keep two versions
12:01:55 <varuna> no
12:01:58 <varuna> with starttls
12:02:07 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
12:02:09 <varuna> the server said tls required
12:02:12 <varuna> i do start tls
12:02:15 <varuna> and proceed
12:02:19 <clokep_work> Got it.
12:02:36 <varuna> and the stupid server kicks me after saying succeed on auth :D
12:02:56 <clokep_work> Yeah, I figured we'd kind of need to fork that file and remerge it at some point...it's why I keep a separate copy in my IRC repo (although it's currently identical to the one that was checked in).
12:03:08 <varuna> :)
12:03:12 <clokep_work> Haha, "stupid server" seems a pretty good description of all IM servers.
12:03:34 <varuna> yeah i heard that all the time where i did the internship :D
12:03:44 <clokep_work> :)
12:04:21 <clokep_work> Do you happen to have a diff of what you've changed? I'm just curious. :)
12:05:45 <varuna> it's filled with a lot of junk code i think :P
12:05:53 <clokep_work> Ah OK. Don't worry about it then.
12:06:02 <varuna> the main changes were
12:07:09 <varuna> adding the method
12:07:25 <varuna> getInterface to this.transport.securityCallbacks
12:07:38 <varuna> without that it didn't seem to be invoking the badcert callback
12:08:10 <clokep_work> Oh, OK.
12:09:13 <varuna> and handling the cert to open up the exceptions dialog
12:09:19 <varuna> which didn't quite work for me
12:09:26 <varuna> the dialog opened but was kind of stuck
12:09:44 <clokep_work> Hmmmm...I see.
12:10:09 <clokep_work> I've actually been having trouble connection to Freenode over SSL, haven't debugged it yet though. :) Might be related.
12:10:24 <varuna> ah ok
12:10:35 <varuna> i got this because the talk.google.com gave the gamil.com certificate 
12:13:18 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. :) Google would do that.
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13:22:27 <varuna> btw how do you install extensions without archiving them? so that i could may be install it from the repo straight away
13:24:35 <clokep_work> Create a file named after the ID of the extension.
13:24:43 <clokep_work> (So mine would be js-irc@patrick.cloke I think.)
13:24:56 <clokep_work> And the only contents of the file should be the path to the folder containing the extension.
13:35:29 <varuna> ok thanks
13:35:35 <varuna> and put it in the folder extensions?
13:38:08 <clokep_work> Yes, sorry. :) Forgot the most important part!
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14:01:10 <Mic> hello
14:04:27 <clokep_work> Hello.
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15:13:53 <waynenguyen> Are we missing something like an 'attention' button for instantbird? :s
15:15:54 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: What do you mean "'attention' button"? Is this part of a specific protocol?
15:16:48 <waynenguyen> I mean sth like the 'attention' button in Pidgin or 'buzz' in YM
15:17:10 <clokep_work> Ah, right. Buzz in YM...
15:17:36 <clokep_work> It does not exist in Instantbird AFAIK.
15:17:47 <clokep_work> I'd suggest filing a bug. :)
15:18:06 <waynenguyen> ok :D
15:18:47 <clokep_work> I also doubt that Instantbird can receive a "buzz" ;)
15:19:47 <clokep_work> Although if Pidgin has a /buzz command, which it seems to...that might work. :)
15:21:26 <clokep_work> waynenguyen: ^ ^ That should work actually.
15:22:20 <waynenguyen> Yeah it works :D
15:23:09 <waynenguyen> But a button is more convenient I think
15:25:02 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 756 filed by duy.nghoang@gmail.com.
15:25:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add an "attention" button to the conversation window
15:27:54 <clokep_work> Are there other protocols which use that do we know? :)
15:30:55 <waynenguyen> I'm not really sure about this. Btw Instantbird can receive the buzz, however it doesn't give a signal about it, even a sound like when a normal message is received.
15:31:37 <clokep_work> It just dumps the text in the conversation.
15:31:49 <clokep_work> Yeah, you could file another bug prbably. :P
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15:32:16 <igorko> hi
15:32:25 <clokep_work> Hello.
15:32:33 <waynenguyen> Thanks clokep.
15:32:47 <clokep_work> Bah got mid-aired.
15:36:44 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 757 filed by duy.nghoang@gmail.com.
15:36:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Instantbird doesn't give a signal when receives a 'buzz'
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16:04:10 <igorko> why groups use "tag" feature ?
16:04:22 <igorko> why no just hide grup etc
16:04:36 <igorko> group*
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16:05:17 <clokep_work> I don't understand your question igorko 
16:05:37 <igorko> right click on grup name
16:06:17 <igorko> in contex menu there are "Hide tag" and "Hidden tags" elements
16:06:26 <igorko> context*
16:06:37 <igorko> and hide tag hides group
16:06:56 <clokep_work> Right...
16:06:58 <igorko> in "Hidden tags" list are listed group names
16:07:06 <clokep_work> No, they're the tag names. ;)
16:07:23 <igorko> why not groups?
16:07:28 <igorko> but tags
16:07:44 <igorko> this can confuse users
16:08:10 <clokep_work> I mean a tag is pretty much the same thing as a group.
16:09:18 <clokep_work> The naming difference is because usually you can only place a thing in one "group", while you can "tag" something with many tags.
16:09:21 <igorko> i understand that groups are not hiding(because contacts are moving to Other Contacts) but this is confusing
16:10:05 <clokep_work> Which part is confusing?
16:10:28 <igorko> for example i see tag feature only in group context menu
16:10:58 <clokep_work> There are no such things as groups anymore, there is only tags.
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16:11:50 <igorko> new group in move "contact" context menu :p
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16:11:59 <igorko> "move contact"
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16:14:37 <clokep_work> It's an alpha, not all the strings were changed yet.
16:14:49 <clokep_work> "Move contact" doesn't necessarily imply a group.
16:15:07 <igorko> but there is new group entry there :p
16:15:35 <clokep_work> It needs to be changed, file a bug.
16:17:14 <igorko> this is some revolution? :) We hate groups ;)
16:18:24 <clokep_work> No, it's been planned all along.
16:18:33 <clokep_work> Tags are more flexible than groups though.
16:19:57 <igorko> so revolution was planned...
16:20:09 <clokep_work> Yes, check the roadmap.
16:20:12 <igorko> i mean all IMclients i know use groups
16:20:14 <clokep_work> It's not really a big change though.
16:20:25 <clokep_work> But there's not really any difference between a group and a tag.
16:20:46 <igorko> for developers but not for users(imho)
16:20:57 <igorko> but do as you want
16:22:58 <clokep_work> I disagree. I think users know what tags are.
16:26:50 <clokep_work> I don't think it makes much of a difference either way...do people really rearrange that stuff or just use what's downloaded from the server?
16:27:20 <clokep_work> It's also called "Tags" now since the goal is to make more "Dynamic" tags, like a "Favorites" or "Recent" or "Frequent" or "Freqencey" tag.
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