#instantbird log on 04 14 2011

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00:06:02 <clokep> I have a feeling this is going to break some of my JS-IRC code. ;)
00:07:45 <flo> why?
00:08:33 <clokep> I think I put out some of those messages.
00:09:22 <flo> they'll just be duplicated until you remove them then
00:09:28 <clokep> Yup.
00:10:16 <flo> and someday you'll be able to move the "entered"/"left" messages out of the IRC code :)
00:11:22 <clokep> Yes, that'll be sweet.
00:11:30 <clokep> All I ahve to do is notify observers and be done. :)
00:14:07 <flo> jsProtoHelper could do it for you :)
00:16:41 <clokep> Yeah, I figured.
00:23:33 <flo> Good night :)
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09:14:00 <flo> hello :)
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09:30:52 <igorko> hi guys
09:31:44 <igorko> i just wonder why last commit reoved some strings from purple.properties?
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09:31:48 <igorko> removed*
09:32:15 <igorko> it's not mistake?
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09:48:52 <flo> igorko: the commit removed the related code too.
09:49:17 <flo> the new strings in conversations.properties are used by the new code that implements the same feature
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10:38:31 <flo> back on a nightly :)
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10:44:57 <clokep> Everything worked fine then?
10:46:32 <flo> yes
10:46:52 <flo> next time I just need to remember to update the maxVersion on AIO *before* actually changing the version number :)
10:47:02 <flo> I only tested on Mac
10:47:51 <clokep> I need to bump vertical tbas.
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10:51:57 <igorko> how to make new tortoisehg to show outgoing patch?
10:52:37 <clokep> "new TortoiseHg"?
10:52:49 <clokep> Did they release a version that's different?
10:53:19 <igorko> yes
10:53:52 <igorko> 2.0.2
10:54:20 <clokep> Hmm....Yeah I'm way behind.
10:54:30 <clokep> I'm on 1.1.7
10:54:35 <clokep> Stopped prompting for updates for some reason.
10:55:10 <clokep> It's updating now. ;)
10:55:28 <igorko> this has different ui
10:55:44 <igorko> a had 1.1.8(as i remember)
10:56:00 <clokep> Right.
10:56:06 <clokep> But it's just one of the buttons up top.
10:56:11 <clokep> "check for outgoing changes"
10:56:21 <clokep> Oh, how to actually make the patch?
10:56:28 <clokep> I always did that on the command line. :)
10:58:20 <clokep> I don't know.
11:00:07 <clokep> hg diff --git &gt; somefile.diff is what I use
11:01:05 <igorko> it still shows diff when commiting changes
11:01:25 <igorko> so it just doesn't show diff when pushing
11:01:40 <igorko> not big problem
11:02:49 <igorko> crap- invalid build
11:03:45 <flo> I'm glad those system message changes aren't in the alpha :-D.
11:04:22 <clokep> They're broken?
11:04:32 <flo> a bit :)
11:05:12 <flo> in my conversation tab with Even, I see http://pastebin.instantbird.com/647
11:05:22 <clokep> Hahah.
11:05:32 <clokep> Well...it's true, right? :)
11:06:44 <flo> Now I'll need to find a way to reproduce...
11:06:51 <igorko> guys i found a bug
11:07:07 <flo> I suspect it's because libpurple sends excessive status-changed notifications on XMPP when the preferred XMPP resource changes
11:07:09 <igorko> oh- sorry- it's only my bug :)
11:07:23 <flo> but those shouldn't be forwarded to contacts :-S
11:07:55 <flo> aaah, but I'm using the notifications on the account-buddy, not the contact,because the current conversation target is not necessarily the most available/preferred buddy.
11:07:56 <flo> hmm
11:09:11 <flo> (for what is worth, before my changes there were already too many system messages on XMPP conversations when the preferred resource changed)
11:09:24 * clokep will be back.
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11:09:40 <flo> it just wasn't *that* bad.
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11:18:22 <igorko> Restart Now button doesn't work(after installing add-on)
11:18:35 <igorko> bug filed?
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11:21:55 <igorko> seems button click unimplemented
11:25:49 <igorko> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/648
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11:45:45 <flo> igorko: thanks!
11:45:57 <flo> clokep: Application.restart(); is using FUEL, isn't it? :(
11:48:16 <igorko> clokep is gone
11:50:41 <igorko> don't remember but maybe *R*estart ?
11:51:12 <igorko> or javascript ignores register?
11:51:38 <flo> igorko: clokep reads the IRC log ;)
11:52:50 <igorko> Google says JavaScript is case-sensitive
11:52:59 <flo> it is.
11:53:01 <igorko> maybe this is the reason
11:53:05 <flo> but I don't think the "Application" object exists
11:53:34 <igorko> but restart() must begin from R ?
11:54:30 <igorko> we already have restart implemented in another place
11:54:35 <igorko> it was before
11:54:41 <igorko> let see there
11:54:58 <igorko> *we* i mean you ;)
11:56:39 <igorko> after installing add-on
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11:58:13 <flo> it seems part of FUEL is in http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/components/exthelper/ now(?)
12:01:09 <flo> restart is implemented at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/content/extensions.js#661 for the add-on manager
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12:12:46 <clokep_work> flo; Application.Restart() is FUEL, yes.
12:14:01 <flo> it's too bad I tested/fixed the restartless case and forgot to test the restart button :(
12:14:22 <clokep_work> And I filed a bug a while ago that includes a bunch of info on FUEL.
12:14:32 <clokep_work> We need a cute acronym first, FUEL, STEEL, SMILE. ;)
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12:24:28 <flo> I don't think we need FUEL to make the restart button work though ;)
12:24:40 <clokep_work> We don't, we can just make it restart.
12:26:54 <clokep_work> The code should even be in extensions.js from m-c actually.
12:27:09 <clokep_work> They used to use Application.restart and removed it because it broke in Instantbird/BlueGriffon/other applications.
12:27:32 <flo> clokep_work: "The code should even be in extensions.js from m-c actually." what was my link pointing to? ;)
12:29:16 <clokep_work> I only read the first link. :)
12:29:21 <clokep_work> But, yup. You're right.
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12:38:42 <clokep_work> I'm guessing you already fixed this, right? :)
12:38:51 <flo> no :)
12:39:16 <clokep_work> OK. I can look at it tonight possibly.
12:42:36 <clokep_work> There's 50 bugs I've reported still open. I should try to drive that down. :P
12:43:00 <flo> pretend some weren't good enough reports and resolve as INCOMPLETE? :-P
12:43:24 <clokep_work> Psh, I only file complete bugs.
12:43:35 <flo> hence the word "pretend" :)
12:44:17 <clokep_work> 1/2 of them are IRC stuff, so...they'll eventually be done.
12:46:05 <clokep_work> I like bug 716, it's obviously needed soon. :-D
12:46:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show status of file transfer on Windows 7 Taskbar
12:49:48 <flo> cool. Are you getting that fixed soon? :-P
12:50:03 <clokep_work> No, we need bug 9 fixed. But I don't want to open that.
12:50:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9 enh, P5, ---, nobody, NEW, Support of file transfers
12:51:10 <clokep_work> I also kind of like that bug 1 is open still. :P
12:51:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 nor, P5, ---, idechix, NEW, Make bugzilla.instantbird.org look like other instantbird websites
12:52:29 <clokep_work> OK, so bug 39 sounds really awesome...but the contents of the bug have nothing to do w/ the title?
12:52:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39 enh, P5, ---, nobody, UNCO, Extending XMPP (transport, service discovery) support via additional software.
12:53:03 * clokep_work is looking at the really old bugs.
12:53:16 <flo> at the time it seemed to be a troll :)
12:53:35 <clokep_work> Seems like WONTFIX to me. :P
12:53:47 <clokep_work> Or maybe INVALID, "file a bug that makes sense and is specific"
12:55:19 <flo> it seemed "do not feed" at the time :)
12:56:16 <flo> however, what we have done with js-proto is almost what he requested :-D
12:56:40 <clokep_work> Yes. :) I'm just gonna mark it as new and say it's possible but would need XMPP rewritten. ;)
12:57:28 <flo> or close it for whatever reason that seems to make sense :)
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13:00:19 <clokep_work> Left it open and wrote some stuff. It's something we want to do eventually.
13:05:08 * clokep_work is going to continue triaging.
13:05:52 <flo> want to triage my todo list too? :-P
13:06:29 <clokep_work> Only if you put it in bugzilla first.
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13:08:14 <flo> I'm actually more concerned by the bugs that we discussed but never filed than by the bugs that are collecting dust in the database :)
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13:37:01 <flo> clokep_work: were we stuck on bug 741 or does it just need a little more work?
13:37:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Fetch the tweets with @ mentions and tracked keywords when connecting a twitter account.
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13:41:55 <clokep_work> Stopped receiving messages there. :(
13:42:03 <clokep_work> Uhh...just needs some more work I think.
13:42:16 <clokep_work> Wanted to get the notification stuff done.
13:42:22 <clokep_work> Kind of forgot about 741.
13:42:42 <clokep_work> If it's close enough that you can fix it up in 5 minutes, might be worth doing.
13:43:00 <flo> not 5 minutes ;)
13:47:09 <clokep_work> Sure, but you get my point.
13:47:27 <clokep_work> If it'll take less time for you to add the few extra things to do then it'll take to review my next patch...
13:48:54 <flo> it won't :)
13:50:38 <clokep_work> Alright, I'll try to finish that one up soon then.
13:53:36 <flo> should I start removing "[0.3-nice-to-have]" on bugs that are sure to not may 0.3?
13:54:46 <flo> bug 155, bug 226, bug 426, bug 507, bug 668 seem to have almost no chance of being ready/worked on in time.
13:54:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unify proxy settings
13:54:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Install addons by dragging and dropping xpi file to every Instantbird's window
13:54:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make it easier to add tabs with arbitrary content to the "conversation window"
13:54:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement IRC in JavaScript
13:54:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, redesign authorization requests
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13:56:51 <clokep_work> Idk, it's a good list to have for after 0.3 though as it's a starting point for blockers, etc. no?
13:57:14 <flo> except these bugs won't become blocker
13:57:27 <flo> they'll still be "nice to have"... someday
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14:02:11 <clokep_work> Then we can probably remove them.
14:02:50 <clokep_work> ALthough most of the "nice to have" probably won't make 0.3.
14:03:59 <flo> I'd really like to have bug 496, so if I'm bored someday... :)
14:04:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add shortcut <modifier>+<number n> to access n-th tab in conversation window
14:05:58 <clokep_work> Do it now. :P
14:06:33 <flo> I'm trying to fix those broken system messages right now
14:06:55 <flo> and today I wanted to work on the "Display groups and contacts sorted alphabetically (bug 366 and bug 343) " item of the roadmap
14:06:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Alphabetical sorting of group names
14:06:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Sort buddies alphabetically
14:10:27 <clokep_work> I'd like that. :)
14:10:39 <clokep_work> Mostly because my friend who uses Instantbird will stop complaining to me about it.
14:10:45 <flo> what would you think of adding http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/browser-test.js#358 in jsProtoHelper?
14:10:46 <clokep_work> I told him to come troll in here...but he declined. :(
14:11:45 <clokep_work> That just creates a new thread to execute a function in? Could be useful...what sort of things would we use it for though?
14:11:55 <clokep_work> Is jsProtoHelper good for that or some other utility file?
14:11:55 <flo> no
14:12:08 <flo> it puts the current function at the end of the event queue of the current thread
14:12:22 <flo> it's a faster setTimeout that doesn't involve actually creating a timer
14:13:01 <clokep_work> Ah, well...that would probably be good to have.
14:13:18 <clokep_work> Well...actually. Idk when I would use that as part of a protocol though?
14:13:36 <flo> no idea
14:14:14 <flo> I think we should create a separate module for XPCOM utils (setTimeout, clearTimeout, nsSimpleEnumerator, EmptyEnumerator, ClassInfo" that are there but have nothing to do with JS protocols
14:15:39 <flo> I currently have jsProtoHelper imported in imConversations.js just for the ClassInfo implementation, that's silly
14:17:01 <clokep_work> Right. I suggest we call it XPCOMUtils.jsm ;)
14:17:06 <flo> ahah
14:17:36 * clokep_work wonders if we should also move doXHRRequest.
14:18:15 <flo> hmm, or maybe that setTimeout implementation we already have should just use the thread manager instead of a timer when the delay is 0
14:19:23 <clokep_work> That would be a neat shortcut.
14:20:32 <flo> the current setTimeout is cancellable though :-/
14:22:03 <clokep_work> Well...don't kill yourself adding features we don't know if we need. :)
14:24:11 <flo> I won't bother with it for now, and just add the 3 lines in imConversations.js
14:28:44 <clokep_work> Ah OK.
14:29:19 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/649
14:30:30 <clokep_work> To fix the message system?
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14:30:45 <flo> it should filter out all the duplicate messages
14:30:46 <clokep_work> Looks reasonable. :)
14:30:49 <clokep_work> Yup.
14:32:38 <flo> wait, "Components.classes["@mozilla.org/thread-manager;1"].getService(Ci.nsIThreadManager)" should be Services.tm :)
14:33:18 * clokep_work always forgets about Services.*
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16:09:48 <clokep_work> Bah I have a lot assigned to me too.
16:10:52 <flo> you assigned them to you yourself :-P
16:18:55 <clokep_work> Mmhmm.
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17:17:58 <flo> turning on "show offline buddies" is still slow when there's 200+ contacts :(
17:22:40 <clokep_work> How would we speed it up? Using a tree?
17:23:03 <flo> a tree has never been an option for the buddy list.
17:23:30 <flo> we can't attach XBL bindings to tree cells
17:24:28 <flo> we used to do all the work to build the list before starting the animation, which caused a visible freeze.
17:25:29 <flo> now the DOM element creations are done before the anim, and the visible update (setting the display names, the icons, ...) is done when the CSS transition finishes.
17:25:55 <clokep_work> Alright.
17:26:14 <flo> if we can to appear faster, we could maybe do that work only for the really visible contacts, and postpone the update a bit for those that are offscreen, so that painting can happen
17:26:27 <flo> s/can/want/
17:29:12 <clokep_work> That sounds like a lot of work. :(
17:29:42 <flo> if we have a good way to determine whether we are on or off screen, it may not be that difficult
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17:34:04 <clokep_work> There's a way to check if something is visible in lists.
17:38:26 <clokep_work> OK...maybe I lied. :-D
17:39:37 <clokep_work> There's getIndexOfFirstVisibleRow()  and getNumberOfVisibleRows()  for richlistbox.
17:46:10 <flo> hmm, it would be even better to do it during the animation :)
17:48:09 <clokep_work> I vaguely remember reading that richlistboxs have crappy performance...I think there's lots of open bugs.
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17:50:29 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ac115272d36c - Florian Quèze - Bug 366 - Alphabetical sorting of group names.
17:50:30 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/de67ddc507b3 - Florian Quèze - Avoid duplicate status change notifications in conversations.
17:51:11 <flo> ah, the target milestone is missing in bugzilla :-/
17:52:08 <DGMurdockIII> ii like that you added minamize to system tray
17:53:21 <flo> sorting the contacts will be a bit more complicated as the contact display name can change at any time
17:53:51 <flo> and I don't want to have a contact the user is currently looking at/editing vanish
17:54:14 <DGMurdockIII> but noy the only think that ned to be done is is the the first time someone click the X you shold eather have a have a box that pops up telling them that the program will be minamized to the system tray and not closing
17:54:55 <DGMurdockIII> sorry im a bad typer and speller
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17:56:19 <DGMurdockIII> im not sure if you can do this but when it dose minamize to system tray it looks like it going to fast to it compaired to other programs
17:57:24 <DGMurdockIII> this is on windows im talking about
17:57:40 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: We want a message to pop up the first time ( a bubble from the system tray icon).
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17:58:00 <clokep_work> flo: That would be really weird if they just moved around as buddies signed on / off. :-/
17:58:20 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): have you used steam before
17:58:24 <flo> I think I'll prevent selected and expanded contacts from reordering themselves.
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17:58:40 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: A couple of times.
17:58:43 <flo> but then, the code should remember to put them at the right place once they are closed/unselected
17:59:36 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep_work2): you know the message it give you after you have installed it for the first time when it minamize to system tray
18:01:26 <clokep_work> No.
18:02:01 <clokep_work> I've only used it on other people's computers, I've never installed it. :(
18:02:18 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Could you file a bug though about this issue so we don't forget (Minimize to tray first run experience or something).
18:02:21 <flo> If someone want's to play with that bubble thing, there's some code for it in Prism: see nsNotificationArea::ShowNotification in http://svn.mozilla.org/projects/webrunner/trunk/components/src/windows/nsNotificationArea.cpp
18:03:19 <DGMurdockIII> yes i can file a bug but i want to find a image of the message so i can have a exzample of the message im talking about first
18:03:49 <clokep_work> Of course! :)
18:05:14 <DGMurdockIII> i want to add it to the bug report and also show it to you guy right now but i need to see if I can find it
18:05:30 <clokep_work> Mmhm. I'd like to see it, thanks. :)
18:05:36 <clokep_work> Might need to just reinstall steam. ;)
18:06:13 <DGMurdockIII> if i cant find by searching i think i might be able to use a secong computer and install steam on there just take a screenshot of it
18:07:23 <clokep_work> Include that link from flo too. :-D
18:07:58 <flo> and the official documentation is at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb773352%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
18:09:24 <flo> something similar to http://www.hethu.com/blog/images/WGA_balloon.jpg ?
18:11:16 <flo> back later :)
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18:18:16 <DGMurdockIII> ok
18:58:02 <clokep_work> flo: WebRunner, which is an updated Prism codebase, seems to have a bunch of stuff we'd like in their components... http://dev.salsitasoft.com/trac/webrunner/browser/ for source
18:59:36 <clokep_work> In particular: http://dev.salsitasoft.com/trac/webrunner/browser/components/public/nsIApplicationIcon.idl I think.
19:01:08 <clokep_work> And it's being released w/ Fx4 compatibility...so the components should compile.
19:02:53 <clokep_work> Seems to have the components in a manifest and everything.
19:02:57 <clokep_work> Sorry I didn't find this a week ago.
19:10:43 <clokep_work> Also has functionality to autostart, etc. ;)
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20:16:14 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 586 to bug 151.
20:16:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151 enh, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, Use a system tray Icon to avoid exiting Instantbird when the buddy list is closed
20:29:51 <clokep_work> That bug gets too mcuh traffic for it being closed. :P
20:33:31 <flo> wanna reopen it? :-P
20:36:32 <clokep_work> No. :P But I think that other implementation is a lot better. :(
20:37:37 <flo> that's why I put the hg diff somewhere before the hg revert ;)
20:37:50 <flo> I should have done that too in 2009 :-D
20:38:00 <flo> we would have 4 implementations in the bug :)
20:42:47 <clokep_work> Hahah.
20:43:07 <clokep_work> Maybe if I can ever re setup my dev environment I'll try that other code out.
20:47:17 <flo> bah... I wish you a more interesting thing to hack on ;)
20:50:28 <clokep_work> Me too.
20:50:55 <clokep_work> First thing would be settting up my environment again...and m-c takes forever to download always. :P
20:51:16 <flo> if you are on windows, that's not the slowest part :-P
20:52:04 <clokep_work> Well the last few times I tried to download...it was downloading m-c instead of m-2.0 and the patches were failling to apply.
20:52:11 <clokep_work> So it was just like a fail fail fail
20:52:21 <clokep_work> But time for me to go. Maybe I'll try again tonight. :)
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22:09:08 <flo> I don't know if the alpha has been tested on other OSes (I tested only on Mac).
22:09:27 <flo> We should probably start writing the release notes if we want to announce it tomorrow :)
22:42:30 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 587 to bug 343.
22:42:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Sort contacts alphabetically
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22:50:05 <clokep> Good evening.
22:50:37 <clokep> Flo, I tested on Win 7, zip only though, not the installer.
22:53:16 <flo> thanks :)
22:54:34 <clokep> That was, at the time, also my 4th version of Instantbird on my machine. :P + the source code. Down to 3 now though. ;)
22:57:04 <clokep> +1 for the sort by status, then sort alphabetically.
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23:02:50 <flo> only 4 versions of instantbird on that machine?
23:04:04 <flo> I have 15 in the application folder of my macbook + all the self-compiled + all the versions in the VMs...
23:04:10 <flo> anyway, good night :)
23:04:23 <flo> /offlin
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