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08:29:10 <iLobster> Greetings
08:32:11 <iLobster> Instantbird can not check for update, instantbird.com & instantbird.org looks down.
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09:24:35 <Mic> flo, Even: I get a "Update XML file malformed (200)" on the update dialog today
09:24:52 <flo> Mic: hello :)
09:25:05 <flo> the server issue is being taken care of
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09:26:45 <Mic> ok, gtg
09:26:49 <Mic> Have a nice day
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10:34:37 <flo> MinTrayR seems to work well :)
10:34:46 <flo> too many options IMHO though :)
10:35:39 <clokep> I thought the options were just like "minimize on start" and "x button minimizes", are there more than that?
10:37:22 <flo> yeah
10:38:17 <flo> you can decide if if should minimize to tray: 1. Only when asked to explicitly (menu item in the 'File' menu) 2. When the window is minimized. 3. Instead of closing the window. 4. Instead of closing and when minimizing.
10:38:35 <flo> and you can decide if you restore the minimized window with a double or simple click on the icon
10:39:16 <flo> and whether a right click on the icon shows a context menu or does nothing. (that last option seems really completely pointless... or I'm missing something :))
10:41:29 <clokep> That's definitely pointless.
10:41:52 <clokep> The x/minimize options though people would want both of those most likely.
10:42:03 <clokep> (Although those 4 options could be made into just two options...)
10:42:08 <flo> I think the default should be both
10:42:30 <flo> but I'm wondering how many we should show in the pref dialog and how many can stay in about:config
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10:46:00 <clokep> Well it's just two checkboxes, "minimize to tray on: "x close", "x minimize"
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11:49:31 <varuna> hey clokep i accidently deleted the xpi i downloaded from bugzilla and now (and about two hours before) it's giving an internal error in bugzilla when i visit the bugzilla webpage :(
11:50:35 <clokep_work> varuna: Hmm...Bugzilla seems to be down for me too.
11:50:44 <clokep_work> I don't have a copy of the XPI here at work though.
11:51:11 <clokep_work> I'm guessing this is related to the server problems alluded to earlier, flo?
11:52:08 <rikki> i can access https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/
11:52:20 <clokep_work> rikki: But can you access any bugs?
11:52:28 <clokep_work> I couldn't (but I could access the home page.)
11:52:40 <flo> mysql is probably down
11:52:52 <flo> Even: ping :)
11:53:20 <rikki> heres the error very long thou
11:53:22 <rikki> want me to paste?
11:53:26 <flo> no :)
11:53:26 <rikki> or pastebin
11:53:47 <rikki> http://pastebin.com/9EPXeBNz
11:53:55 <rikki> its an sql issue it seems
11:54:05 <flo> yeah, I think we all got similar errors
11:54:10 <flo> AIO looks bad too.
11:54:18 * clokep_work is working on the status update (slowly): http://typewith.me/YrzoFRqDWe
11:54:43 <flo> :)
11:57:58 <rikki> hmm i think your database might be corrupt
11:59:14 <flo> /me isn't worried for the bugzilla database
12:00:47 <flo> a full dump of all the databases of that server is saved to the other server every night
12:01:59 <clokep_work> But we have so much activity on it! Something might hae been missed. :P
12:02:37 <rikki> merge the data maybe
12:09:40 <flo> clokep_work: the dump is at 3:42am (local french time)
12:09:58 <clokep_work> I was kidding anyway. :)
12:10:08 <clokep_work> I think the last thing to happen was me closing a random bug. Nothing important.
12:10:28 <flo> we have an immediate copy of any activity in the mailing list anyway
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12:19:05 <clokep_work> Yup!
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12:26:09 <clokep_work> This is pretty much everything I have for a status update: http://typewith.me/YrzoFRqDWe missing a couple of bug #s, etc. but I'm not sure what else to include.
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12:26:26 <clokep_work> Maybe what's being worked on right now? (System tray support)
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12:45:20 <flo> clokep_work: bug 469 was just a bug fix. When the contact display name changed (alias, ... and now conversation switching to another buddy), the display name was updated in the title of the tab, but not in the title bar of the window
12:45:46 <clokep_work> Oh, OK. So that's not really anything to include then, right?
12:48:20 <flo> Good question about 0.3a2. I'm not sure if anything is blocking
12:49:09 <flo> maybe finishing the contact stuff so that the list of buddies is displayed in tooltips (relatively trivial to implement) and maybe the top of  conversation UI (but it may take a long time to get something that looks right on all 3 OSes :-/)
12:49:45 <clokep_work> The contact stuff is a rather large change that it might be worth pushing stuff out to get more testers?
12:50:16 <flo> yes
12:50:31 <flo> and the systray icon is scary enough that we may want to land it just after releasing the alpha
12:51:00 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. I was hoping it was going to be not scary. :(
12:55:05 <clokep_work> Well then. I think my status update stuff is done. :) (Seems like a lot got done at least?)
12:55:59 <flo> :)
12:56:27 <flo> C++ code that touches the OS APIs directly is scary ;).
12:56:40 <clokep_work> :) Fair enough.
12:57:06 <clokep_work> I guess this is another dependency we need to watch now for updates. :(
12:57:17 <flo> I'm not sure the Dark simple should be the first thing listed in the post
12:57:48 <clokep_work> Yes, I meant to reorder all of them actually.
13:02:11 <clokep_work> Alright. Kind of moved them around a bit so the "important" ones are up top.
13:02:21 <flo> :)
13:04:51 <clokep_work> P.S. Etherpad is really good for stuff like this, much better than Google Wave was IMO. :-D
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13:29:01 <flo> when is the deadline for SoC student applications?
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13:31:20 <clokep_work> No idea.
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13:40:48 <clokep_work> That something you wanted to add?
13:41:16 <clokep_work> Friday at 12 PM apparently.
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13:42:13 <flo> clokep_work: I just wanted to be sure I've replied to (or at least read) all requests for feedback/comments on applications before the deadline
13:43:05 <clokep_work> OK. :)
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14:05:40 <waynenguyen> flo : I just sent my application to you :).
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19:57:27 <flo> clokep: was that status update post ready to publish or were there details that you still wanted to discuss or rephrase?
20:09:12 <clokep_meeting>                 flo: Hey, sorry. was in a meeting.
20:09:27 <clokep_meeting> Uhh...I think it's ready. It might need a picture or two though which I can't get right now.
20:09:47 <clokep_meeting> Only other part was whether you wanted to write anything about when alpha 2 would be released, but that's up to you. :)
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20:14:03 <flo> I would like to know :)
20:15:36 <clokep_meeting> You would like to know when it'll be released? ;)
20:16:07 <flo> yes!
20:16:16 <flo> I would like to know for Instantbird 1.0 too by the way :)
20:17:14 <clokep_meeting> !8ball Will 1.0 be released in the next year?
20:17:15 <instantbot> clokep_meeting: You're kidding, right?
20:17:26 <clokep_meeting> Ouch. :(
20:17:32 <igorko> about what release you are talking?
20:18:55 <clokep_meeting> Instantbird 1.0?
20:19:46 <igorko> no
20:19:58 <igorko> this one is btw...
20:20:33 <igorko> if you are talking about 0.3... I need to commit some locale updates
20:20:51 <igorko> but waiting for another changes
20:21:10 <igorko> to commit all in one
20:21:27 <clokep_meeting> We're talking about alpha 2 right now?
20:21:33 * clokep_meeting is confused.
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20:23:04 <clokep_meeting> flo: We might forget about screen shots and just do a nice set when 0.3 is released?
20:24:08 <flo> igorko: we will make an anouncement when we are ready to stop changing the en-US string for 0.3. It will most likely be for 0.3beta1. I can't tell you yet when it will be ;).
20:24:34 <flo> clokep_meeting: ok... We'll need to do a really good job at that time if we want to increase the user base ;)
20:25:18 <clokep_meeting> We can do it now too. :) I can't make them until tonight though, at least not for a few hours -- not sure how soon you wanted to get this out there... (it does have the SoC stuff which has a deadline)
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20:27:46 <flo> in a few minutes would be great
20:27:50 <flo> I can live without screenshots
20:28:08 <clokep_meeting> OK! I'll give it one last read over.
20:28:34 <flo> is there a way to export the document as HTML to have the <ul> and <li> tags automatically? :-D
20:29:01 <clokep_meeting> flo: Top of the page > Export > HTML
20:30:03 <clokep_meeting> Oh, blah. That odesn't work. :(
20:30:07 <clokep_meeting> It converts all the entities.
20:30:41 <clokep_meeting> Probably export as HTML then do a mass replace for &lt; and &gt;
20:33:50 <flo> ok I'll try :)
20:34:10 <clokep_meeting> flo: I'm on my way out though, is there anything else before I go? :)
20:34:17 <flo> I don't think so
20:34:26 <flo> nothing I can't decide myself at least
20:34:33 <clokep_meeting> Awesome. :) Good luck.
20:34:42 <flo> You don't mind if I don't set the author of the post to your name until tomorrow?
20:34:52 <clokep_meeting> No.
20:34:59 <flo> I should really add an UI for that :(
20:35:06 <clokep_meeting> I don't care if it ever gets set to my name really...but it shouldn't be so hard to do. ;)
20:35:11 <clokep_meeting> Is it a custom blog script?
20:35:53 <flo> yes
20:36:00 <flo> it's the php code of my blog
20:36:14 <clokep_meeting> Ah, OK.
20:36:17 <flo> I wrote that a looooong time ago, with strange (crazy?) optimization concerns
20:36:21 <clokep_meeting> I've written those before...pain in the neck. :)
20:36:39 <clokep_meeting> (I also wrote an entire shopping system once...)
20:36:44 <clokep_meeting> Anyway, ciao.
20:36:49 <flo> Good evening :)
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20:45:45 <Mic2> hi
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20:46:59 <Mic2> flo, clokep: I added half a sentence saying that the mails to contact@... are publicly visible, even though it might not be that well-phrased 
20:47:33 <Mic2> just to make sure that you know that the thing at typewith.me had changed  in the meantime
20:48:22 <Mic2> nn
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21:59:32 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
21:59:33 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n39-status-update-february-2011-march-2011.html - Status Update: February 2011 - March 2011
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23:02:03 <clokep> Mic: I saw someone did it but wasn't sure who, it sounded OKish...I couldn't think of a better way. :) Thanks!
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23:12:27 <clokep> flo: Did you ever check in the fix for the twistie icons for expanding groups?
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