#instantbird log on 04 05 2011

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08:15:12 <flo> hello :)
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12:08:01 <clokep_work> Hello.
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13:08:35 <flo> the last status update was in january :-S
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13:13:52 <clokep_work> Eek.
13:13:56 <clokep_work> We should probably get on that.
13:14:19 * clokep_work was wondering why #developers is so quiet.
13:14:23 <clokep_work> But it's the all-hands this week, isn't it?
13:14:40 <flo> hmm, probably :)
13:16:27 <flo> clokep_work: the funky icon is the one to open/close groups, right? Not the one to expand contacts?
13:17:15 <clokep_work> Open, close groups, yes.
13:17:27 <clokep_work> I didn't have any time to look into it yesterday.
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13:19:05 <clokep_work> So....status report? :-D
13:19:07 <flo> ok, the fix is trivial
13:19:14 <clokep_work> Good! :)
13:19:33 <clokep_work> I meant to look into it yesterday but fell asleep. :)
13:20:11 <flo> as trivial as http://pastebin.instantbird.com/626
13:21:07 <clokep_work> Nice.
13:21:36 <clokep_work> On the shortlog (http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/shortlog) everything newer from the fix for bug 118 needs to be in the status update.
13:21:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118 min, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, Extensions should be able to register commands.
13:23:07 <flo> how many of those are actually interesting?
13:27:18 <clokep_work> flo: bug 710, bug 698, bug 24, bug 469
13:27:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710 enh, --, 0.3a2, albin.jacobsson, RESO FIXED, Dark variant of the Simple skin
13:27:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698 nor, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, Provide a way to merge contacts
13:27:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24 nor, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, Command-W Does Not Close Buddy List Window
13:27:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469 min, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, Doesn't update conversation window title on nick change
13:28:21 <clokep_work> And also unknown vs. offline icon ( http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7019846a7be3), libpurple 2.7.11 (http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4af8bacbd226), mozilla-2.0 instead of mozilla-central (http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/31b8187656ec), tag hiding stuff (http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/75644053615a)
13:29:26 <flo> I wonder what's missing for a 0.3a2 release
13:29:54 <clokep_work> I think that depends on how many alphas there will be.
13:30:42 <clokep_work> Also maybe the "extensions can make commands" bug would be worth throwing in the status update?
13:30:52 <clokep_work> I can probably write it during lunch btw.
13:31:04 <flo> great :)
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13:34:49 <clokep_work> flo: Do you want all "new features" done in the alphas and betas as bug fixes (including bugs that have existed for a while)?
13:36:02 <flo> that would be a good plan :)
13:36:11 <flo> so beta1 would be the string freeze
13:37:21 <clokep_work> From the blocking list...I think bug 151, bug 334, bug 680, and bug 744 need to be done before beta...
13:37:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151 enh, --, 0.3, nobody, NEW, Create a Tray Icon. SINGLE-click on tray icon opens and closes Instantbird.
13:37:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334 enh, --, 0.3, nobody, NEW, Give the user a way to set a buddy icon and a display name
13:37:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Localize Twitter code
13:37:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, top of conversation UI (contact info)
13:39:14 <flo> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap:0.3
13:39:53 <clokep_work> I forget we have a roadmap sometimes. :-D
13:40:09 <flo> I've just created that page ;)
13:42:25 <clokep_work> :) I'll put some links into it.
13:43:46 <flo> I wonder if I should morph bug 341 into "sort groups alphabetically" or wontfix it
13:43:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a way to reorder groups in the buddy list.
13:44:59 <clokep_work> Hmm...I don't know. I thought there was a sort groups alphabetically one already?
13:45:18 <clokep_work> bug 366
13:45:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Alphabetical sorting of group names
13:45:28 <flo> we have bug 343 for buddies
13:45:28 <flo> ah
13:45:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Sort buddies alphabetically
13:45:48 <clokep_work> Bug I don't know if we want to implement both of those.
13:46:36 <flo> aren't they mutually incompatible anyway?
13:47:40 <clokep_work> Not if you have an option "customize sorting" or "alphabetical sorting" ;)
13:47:48 <flo> I dislike options
13:47:52 <flo> :)
13:48:36 <clokep_work> :) I know.
13:48:43 <clokep_work> I think "custom sorting" might be extension fodder?
13:49:23 <flo> put the very important contacts in the "favorite" group which is at the top, keep only 3-5 visible groups for people who are not that important but make sense together, and everything else can go in hidden tags and appear in the "Other Contacts" group at the end of the list :)
13:49:30 <flo> yeah, definitely
13:50:17 <clokep_work> flo: From the amount on that list...I think an alpha 3 might be in order...
13:50:19 <flo> it's not even complicated to implement as an add-on, just replace the callback used for the sort call by a function checking for the index of the group id in a string
13:51:18 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 341 to WONTFIX.
13:51:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Add a way to reorder groups in the buddy list.
13:52:14 <flo> clokep_work: some of the items on the list are really easy
13:52:28 <flo> some are a bit more scary (like "Store buddy icons correctly")
13:52:45 <clokep_work> What is that even referring to? How are we doing it "incorrectly"?
13:52:56 <flo> libpurple does it for us
13:53:04 <flo> it's a black box that jsProto can't access
13:53:27 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.
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14:10:43 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 709 to FIXED.
14:10:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Version 0.3a1 is not available in Bugzilla
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14:14:00 <clokep_work> I added some links. I'll probably look into some of those (and hold off on IRC for 0.4), I don't think it'll be tested enough.
14:15:31 <flo> wasn't there a bugzilla template some time ago?
14:17:41 <flo> thanks anyway :)
14:19:18 <clokep_work> Changed it. ;)
14:25:54 <clokep_work> Yeah some of those are definitely pretty straight forward I think.
14:26:07 <clokep_work> I'm close to finishing bug 741, I should probably do that.
14:26:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Fetch the tweets with @ mentions and tracked keywords when connecting a twitter account.
14:26:33 <flo> I'm trying to reuse the songbird systray code
14:28:10 <clokep_work> flo: There's also MinTrayR which is updated for moz-2: https://github.com/nmaier/mintrayr/
14:29:27 <clokep_work> I wish someone would just drive this into m-c instead of having a bunch of different extensions to do it. :(
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17:55:31 <clokep_work> varuna: Were you able to get my newer xpi to work?
18:00:04 <varuna> i only gave it one try
18:00:13 <varuna> it seemed like it worked
18:00:14 <clokep_work> Oh OK.
18:00:19 <varuna> i was at school today
18:00:25 <varuna> so couldn't look into it much
18:00:26 <varuna> sorry
18:00:27 <clokep_work> Sorry for all the confusion, I didn't realize my code had broken on the trunk. :)
18:00:38 <clokep_work> No, it's fine. Just wanted to make sure you're not held up waiting for information from me.
18:01:38 <varuna> ah no :) i was drafting the application :)
18:01:44 <varuna> i sent a link on the email
18:01:57 <varuna> check it a bit when you are free :)
18:02:02 <clokep_work> Yes. I saw. I can't look now -- my code just finished compiling. :-D
18:02:52 <varuna> no pron 
18:02:55 <varuna> prob
18:02:57 <varuna> thanks :)
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21:20:42 <clokep> flo: Was too busy today to do a status update, but I'll do it sometime tonight. :)
21:21:32 <flo> the systray icon code from songbird doesn't compile with Mozilla2, and it seems non-trivial to fix (some xpcom interfaces used have disappeared)
21:22:00 <clokep> Did you see earlier when I linked to the mintrayr code, which does work with mozilla2?
21:22:26 <flo> I'm looking at it
21:23:39 <clokep> I think it's all from the same code originally anyway?
21:24:59 <flo> I may be wrong, but I think there are 2 different sources
21:25:28 <clokep> Oh, possibly. Actually...I think the two original sources are the MinimizeToTray add-on and the Prism code.
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21:30:16 <clokep> Is it valid that I get pinged when the history of an XMPP chat is downloaded?
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21:32:24 <flo> clokep: it's when it is displayed
21:32:56 <flo> if there was a way to know if the messages have already be displayed/read, we could avoid that ping...
21:36:07 <clokep> Yeah, I don't know if there's anything special in the protocol that lets you know. :)
21:38:30 <flo> it should be in the logs ;)
21:38:47 <flo> the protocol can't know if you have focused the tab after the messages have been received
21:39:17 <clokep> But it knows whether it's sending you stuff that's a backlog or not?
21:42:42 <flo> the server knows :)
21:42:56 <clokep> Exactly, so in theory it could be sent. I just don't know if it is. :-D
21:43:02 <flo> I'm not sure if the client knows, but it's likely
21:43:51 <flo> but does it matter that it's backlog?
21:44:05 <flo> if someone pinged you while you were offline, you probably want to know it
21:44:14 <clokep> Nah, just that I'm currently getting pinged every time I start instantbird from Sonny's XMPP channel. :)
21:44:16 <clokep> Ohhhh. True.
21:44:20 <clokep> I didn't think of that patr of it.
21:44:32 <clokep> More of the "I was online, I already read that" then.
21:45:39 <flo> the tab shouldn't turn red either, if that's something you have already read
21:45:43 <flo> same for the twitter timeline
21:47:02 <clokep> Mmhmm. OK. :)
21:47:35 <flo> is mintrayr satisfying enough that we can decide to "just integrate it"?
21:47:38 <flo> I haven't used it
21:49:07 <clokep> I used to use it. The minimize code works well enough I think, we would need to work on making the UI surrounding it better (and integrating the options, etc.)
21:49:20 <clokep> But the minimizing aspects of it I think we could just integrate, yes.
21:49:29 <clokep> I wonder if anyone in here uses it currently?
21:50:38 <clokep> skeledrew: Are you using minimize to tray?
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23:12:24 <skeledrew> nope
23:12:24 <skeledrew> it got broken in one of the nightly updates. along with most of my other addons. haven't gotten to fixing it...
23:13:28 <clokep> Oh, OK. Well before it got broken did it do everything you expected or whatever? (Re: flo's question from above.)
23:14:58 <skeledrew> yeah. pretty much
23:15:16 <skeledrew> would be nice to have it back again
23:15:27 <skeledrew> free some space on my taskbar
23:15:52 <clokep> You know there's a version that works, right? :)
23:16:13 <skeledrew> not really. have been ultra busy
23:16:15 <skeledrew> lol
23:16:20 <clokep> Mmhmm. Well there is. ;)
23:16:27 <clokep> But hopefully it'll be in trunk soon anyway.
23:16:32 <skeledrew> can't wait for summer to get here
23:16:41 <skeledrew> one more month of school :D
23:16:52 <clokep> Hahah, yes. :) Hope you're enjoying it at least.
23:16:58 <clokep> I'll miss not having off for summres. :(
23:17:03 <skeledrew> yup
23:17:09 <skeledrew> k
23:17:27 <skeledrew> well, it's supper time
23:17:29 <skeledrew> i'm off
23:18:12 <clokep> Bye!
23:18:16 <clokep> Thanks for the help. :)
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