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01:29:31 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 01:35:57 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:07:02 <clokep> Hey Mook, so in terms of logging I think we'll need some serious stress testing. :) Luckily I think we're planning to convert the logs so we'll automatically have people w/ huge amounts of logs. 02:07:27 <Mook> heh, hopefully that's enough 02:08:54 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 02:10:40 <clokep> Hopefully. :) We'll probably need to split out really old obsolete logs somehow, but it shouldn't be too difficult. 02:55:52 <Mook> I reserve judgement of difficulty until it has been implemented and tested :p 02:56:12 * clokep shotties not implementing it. 02:56:55 <clokep> I wonder if any IM program has decent logs that aren't just plaintext ghouh. 02:57:31 <clokep> I feel like adium had a log format in a database but I don't remember. 03:03:37 <clokep> Oh Adium has some XMl format they tried to formalize. 03:03:40 <clokep> Gross. :( 03:07:43 <Mook> oh, will we get an instantbird 0. 03:08:03 <Mook> err, 0.3a1,1 to cover the ssl mess? login.yahoo.com is in there... 03:08:12 <Mook> but I guess that's not even using the mozilla stack? 03:09:39 <clokep> It's using the libpurple stack to connect...I'm pretty sure that libpurple would do the SSL verification, etc. 03:09:54 <Mook> sure, but which ssl stack? 03:10:00 <clokep> Does yahoo even use SSL? (o_O) 03:10:17 <clokep> I think the libpurple stack, i tincludes all it's own socket code, etc. 03:10:21 <Mook> (the problem is that a real CA screwed up and got certs out that are fake) 03:10:51 <clokep> I think we'd have to wait for an upgrade libpurple...which I haven't heard anything about on the mailing list? 03:11:11 <clokep> They're pretty focused on 2.8 / 3.0 now (forward progress good!), but I don't know about security releases. 03:11:12 <Mook> ah, okay 03:11:31 <clokep> But flo would definitely know better than me. 03:11:40 <clokep> I think he's hoping to release a 0.3a2 when the contact code lands. 03:11:53 <clokep> Well finishes landing... 03:12:21 <Mook> now I feel bad about not spending time on the /invite bit :| 03:13:25 <clokep> It's fine. :) We were wondering whether you were waiting for a decision from us or ran out of time (since you just started at AS). 03:13:42 <Mook> I need to clean up the patch, so mostly out of time 03:14:02 <clokep> Ah OK. 03:14:12 <Mook> (it's not a major amount of cleaning up, since it still doesn't address the UI problems...) 03:14:16 <clokep> I know no one has really come up with a good UI for invites either. :-/ 03:14:41 <Mook> at this point, I'd just aim for "get the backend in, don't actually expose UI, do that in an extension" 03:14:44 <clokep> Yeah. Maybe I'll try to get flo to think about it soon so there's at least a goal to point toward. 03:14:57 <clokep> (in terms of the UI I mean) 03:15:29 <Mook> yeah, I figure that the UI bit is controversial enough that we might be able to go for a few extensions to compete for now to bake :) 03:15:52 <Mook> then we can actually see what works and what doesn't, by actually using them 03:16:12 <Mook> then after everything's agreed, merge the best one in 03:17:31 <clokep> That sounds like a good idea. :) 03:18:02 <Mook> I can be useful in generating ideas that sound good at first glance then not implementing them! :p 03:19:26 <clokep> That's how we all seem to be sometimes. :) 03:21:33 * clokep should really figure out this mess w/ the add-on manager. 03:24:11 <clokep> Mook: Am I allowed to ask you AS questions? :P How do I set a file to be UTF-8? 03:24:57 <clokep> Ah I foudn it. That random "current file settings menu" which never seems to inherit from my default file settings. :( 03:26:11 <Mook> yes, you're quite welcome to ask; even better if you answer too ;) 03:26:31 <Mook> (if you want to ask more involved questions, #komodo is the on-topic channel) 03:26:45 <clokep> Yeah, I'm alway sin it with the other like 7 people that idle there. :) 03:26:52 <Mook> ... oh, right :) 03:27:06 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 03:27:38 <clokep> Yay....I got to a point where it works at least. :) 03:40:12 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 572 to bug 712. 03:40:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 03:41:03 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 573 to bug 712. 03:41:07 * clokep always thinks someone has pinged him when he uploads stuff. 03:56:13 <clokep> That bug 712 might be applicable if you guys update to moz 2.0, idk what you're on now. 03:56:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 04:02:22 <Mook> ah, yes, it would be, thanks 04:02:47 <clokep> Although you guys actually use a tab system which should help. :-/ 04:03:06 <Mook> might need to move about:addons into it though 04:25:27 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 04:27:18 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 04:28:34 <-- Mook has quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Mook_)) 04:29:12 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 04:37:00 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 04:37:01 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 04:42:20 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 05:03:51 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout) 05:13:37 <-- jdt has left #instantbird () 05:16:56 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 05:24:37 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 05:48:12 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 06:08:19 --> wuwei has joined #instantbird 06:11:24 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-xr [XULRunner 2.0b13pre/20110304030406]) 06:14:40 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 06:14:56 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 06:56:59 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 06:57:36 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 07:55:27 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 09:12:42 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer) 09:36:28 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 09:51:02 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:51:02 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:18:40 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 10:19:42 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 11:03:19 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 11:04:36 <-- wuwei has quit (Quit: Leaving) 11:35:08 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 11:42:05 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 11:56:22 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 12:00:20 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 12:15:37 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 12:36:51 --> kaie2 has joined #instantbird 12:37:54 <-- kaie has quit (Ping timeout) 12:37:55 * kaie2 is now known as kaie 12:44:06 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 12:48:45 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:04:15 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 13:10:56 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:10:57 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 13:16:06 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:24:35 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 13:24:37 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:24:38 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 13:33:39 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 13:52:35 <flo> clokep: I removed the libpurple code checking the SSL certificates because we make libpurple use NSS initialized by Mozilla, so the NSS we give to libpurple already has access to the Mozilla pool of certificates. 13:52:54 <clokep> Oh, OK. 13:53:06 <clokep> Really that should be directed to Mook. ;) 13:53:20 <clokep> Oh right libpurple uses NSS anyway, right? 13:53:58 * clokep wishes he could just move all buddies from one group to another group sometimes. 13:55:29 <flo> libpurple has a plugin system for SSL plugins, and it can be built with either support for NSS or gnutls. 13:55:50 <flo> I statically linked into libpurple the libpurple NSS plugin, as we are sure it will always be there :) 13:55:59 <clokep> :) 13:56:16 <clokep> I believe the original question was are we going to release a security update. ;) 13:56:40 <flo> is there a real need for it? 13:57:00 <clokep> I have no idea. I don't really understand the underlying issues / haven't read about them. 13:57:26 <clokep> (Also unrelated....if I delete all the buddies in a group...will that group be deleted at some point?) 13:57:39 <flo> no 13:57:46 <flo> groups are (currently) never deleted 13:57:58 * clokep goes to file a bug. 13:58:05 <clokep> Or maybe....goes to get sqliteexplorer. ;) 13:58:06 <flo> but you won't see it in the contact list anymore 13:58:20 <flo> it will just be in the "move to" context menu 13:58:33 <clokep> Right. 13:59:45 <igorko> it's not a bug- it's "feature" ;) 14:00:21 <flo> dataloss prevention ;) 14:00:57 <clokep> I guess all that will be different once tags are handled anyone so I won't worry about it much. 14:18:48 <clokep> So sometimes when I move buddies...they don't move to another group...and if I do move again I get http://pastebin.instantbird.com/613 14:33:19 --> Even has joined #instantbird 14:33:19 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 14:36:40 <flo> clokep: that's interesting. I throw that exception when something is about to cause the blist.sqlite corruption someone here had a while ago 14:36:58 <flo> I thought I added a safety check earlier in the code though :-/ 14:37:11 <clokep> I think the issue is that the buddy isn't being moved properly? 14:37:25 <clokep> Also I emailed glazou about bug 712, the same issue occurs in BlueGriffon. 14:37:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No UI feedback when attempting to install an incompatible add-on 14:37:47 <flo> ok 14:38:00 <flo> there's definitely a bug causing the error you pasted 14:38:18 <flo> it would be interesting to have steps to reproduce. Which protocol was this on? 14:38:29 <clokep> AIM. 14:38:49 <clokep> So I emptied one of my groups into another group. 14:38:49 <flo> ok 14:38:58 <clokep> There's one buddy that failed to move properly. 14:39:08 <clokep> But is now in both groups. 14:39:15 <clokep> SO I tried moving it again and got that error. 14:39:36 <flo> is it in both group, or does it only appear in both groups? 14:39:38 <clokep> If I open and close the group I get http://pastebin.instantbird.com/614 14:40:01 * flo goes away for an hour or so 14:40:22 <clokep> The error? I did try in the other group since I actually wnat it there. :P 14:40:24 <clokep> I'll try though. 14:41:10 <clokep> No error when I moved it the other direction...moved properly...trying moving again and the same thing occured. 14:41:14 <clokep> Going to restart. 14:41:30 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 14:41:34 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 14:41:34 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 14:44:30 <-- igorko has left #instantbird () 14:59:26 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 15:00:12 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 15:35:24 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 15:37:03 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:43:43 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 16:05:07 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 16:18:08 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 16:34:35 --> zachlr has joined #instantbird 16:34:44 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 16:43:36 <-- zachlr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:59:43 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:05:17 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 17:13:57 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 17:50:23 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 18:15:38 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:16:28 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:25:59 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 18:32:19 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:34:30 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 18:44:22 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:46:30 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 18:50:29 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 19:04:41 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 19:07:09 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 19:48:42 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 19:49:59 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 19:59:38 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 20:04:06 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 20:05:02 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 20:13:22 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 20:13:22 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 20:15:05 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a2pre) 20:19:36 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 20:20:41 <Chaz6> I'm sure i'm gonna get this wrong agai.. 20:20:49 <Chaz6> I merged some contacts, but now i have two copies again 20:20:55 <Chaz6> One in the merged contact, and the original 20:21:30 <Chaz6> Started with 1,2,3,4, now I have (1,2,3,4),2,3,4 20:44:52 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 20:45:18 <flo> Chaz6: what do you mean with " (1,2,3,4),2,3,4" ? :) 20:54:35 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 20:56:30 <Chaz6> each number is a contact, and the brackets denote a grouping 21:04:08 <flo> I would like to be able to reproduce the failure :( 21:19:49 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:19:49 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:21:49 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 21:41:32 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 21:44:04 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 22:42:54 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! 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