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09:32:29 <flo> hmm, when I join an XMPP chatroom after restarting Instantbird, the last few messages of the history downloaded from the server are displayed in a strange order, or even omitted... but they are correctly written in the log file. I'll need to investigate that :-S.
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13:40:14 <igorko> hi guys
13:40:43 <igorko> how about such idea: include most usefull extensions into relase
13:41:19 <clokep_work> Then they wouldn't be extensions. ;)
13:41:30 <clokep_work> And what one person finds useful, others find annoying, etc.
13:42:19 <igorko> for example minimizetotray, nictabam
13:42:33 <igorko> and buddystatus
13:43:24 <clokep_work> There are plans to add tray support in 0.3, but it won't be an extension. it'll be part of the core.
13:43:27 <igorko> this is standart features for example in pidgin
13:43:48 <igorko> theese are*
13:43:54 <igorko> these* ;)
13:44:12 <clokep_work> nictabam is tab-completion of nicks? (I forget which is which. :))
13:44:36 <igorko> yes- first letters of nick- than tab - and it gives full nick
13:44:44 <clokep_work> I don't really see what's bad about them being extensions though.
13:45:02 <igorko> it's very usefull in irc
13:45:10 <clokep_work> Yes, I use it.
13:45:12 <clokep_work> At least the first two have bugs filed if not all three and possibly would be included by default if people wrote patches for them.
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13:45:26 <igorko> at least we must put such extensions on site main page 
13:45:46 <clokep_work> There's a list of featured extensions on the main page.
13:47:25 <igorko> 3 themes, minimizetotray(this is good) and  Vertical Tabs 0.3
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13:47:44 <igorko> Vertical Tabs ? who uses it?
13:47:56 <clokep_work> I use it. I made it.
13:47:58 <yoh> sorry, issues with my connection
13:48:04 <clokep_work> No problem yoh. :)
13:48:29 <clokep_work> igorko: I'm not disagreeing that the features should be added, I'm disagreeing with bundling extensions.
13:48:53 <igorko> yeah- they can be added in core
13:48:57 <igorko> no problems
13:49:22 <clokep_work> If you really want to see something like minimize to tray added to the core, please submit a patch for it. :) I know flo wants it for 0.3, but he hasn't had time to look into it.
13:49:37 <clokep_work> Mook provided a link to Songbird's code we can use, so it would mostly be UI stuff I think.
13:53:33 <clokep_work> I just think it's really hard to generalize "everybody using this program will want xxx feature", that's the point of extensions.
13:53:40 <clokep_work> Anyway, I need to go for a bit.
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14:43:49 <flo> hello
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15:40:31 <Mic2> Ah, we have mailing lists now?
15:40:53 <Mic2> Even though they are google :S
15:41:32 <flo> what's the problem with google? :)
15:42:02 <Mic2> There's two things you shouldn't feed: trolls and data krakens
15:42:23 <flo> is this a troll?
15:42:24 <flo> :)
15:42:55 <Mic2> It isn't? Cool, then I'm fine with it :P
15:43:22 <flo> so, ... is there another option?
15:43:40 <Even> There is, we could have our own MLs :P
15:43:46 <Even> It's a pain to maintain though :D
15:44:15 <flo> Even: I thought you were the one who wouldn't reply to that question :-P.
15:44:57 <Mic2> I've no idea. I never really used mailing lsits
15:44:59 <Mic2> *lists
15:45:37 <Even> I do...
15:46:17 <flo> so do you want to install mailman or should we go ahead and blog about how to subscribe to our google groups?
15:46:17 <Even> I just pulled together a new mail server for the company I work for. The idea was nothing more than having very simple MLs without the web part for consulting it.
15:46:26 <Even> It was really a pain to get it working even without that part.
15:47:58 <clokep_work> I thought mailman wasn't too hard to set up? But I've never done it so. :-D
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15:48:54 <flo> clokep_work: I don't think it's really hard. But it puts another dependency on our server. So where are we going to post "the server is down, we know" if the mailing list is down too? :)
15:49:12 <clokep_work> Good point. :)
15:49:17 <flo> and I also suspect most of our emails from the mailing lists would be marked (initially at least) as spam
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16:02:33 <clokep_work> Does the list exist that I should like be signed up for it already or not quite yet? :)
16:03:29 <flo> the google group exists
16:03:36 <flo> the redirection still points to the old group
16:03:49 <flo> http://groups.google.com/group/instantbird-contact/
16:04:36 * clokep_work wonders why that didn't show in a search.
16:04:38 <flo> by the way, I can invite you (and Mic too if interested) to the older (private) group to have access to the archives (some messages are in french though).
16:05:04 <flo> it's possible I checked "don't include in the google group index" in the foolish hope of getting less spam :)
16:06:00 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. :) That's definitely why...I don't think people really look for grousp in the index anyway.
16:06:15 <clokep_work> If you think it'd be useful for us to have the archives, then sure. :)
16:07:12 <flo> it's the team@instantbird.org list referred to on the wiki page
16:08:41 <flo> want an @instantbird.org email alias too? :-D
16:09:08 <flo> webmaster @ ib.org points to the same mailing list (as team @ ib.org), that is, the old google group
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16:10:31 <Mic2> I can only participate using a Google account (sorry if I sound stupid right now;)?
16:10:32 <clokep_work> Well I guess it'd be useful to have, is the plan to use that for discussion of features, etc. as opposed to support?
16:10:58 <clokep_work> (Where it and that are referring to the "old" group)
16:10:59 <flo> I think we should discuss features in public
16:11:38 <flo> it's not really clear in my mind what should stay private, but as little as possible :)
16:11:57 <clokep_work> OK. :) Well then, yes you can invite me -- I think you now my email address.
16:12:35 <flo> Mic2: you mean it seems impossible to join a google group without having a google account?
16:12:40 <flo> that would be annoying
16:12:59 <clokep_work> Yes, you need a google account (not necessarily a gmail account).
16:13:08 <clokep_work> To "join" but not to post.
16:13:14 <flo> nor to read I suppose?
16:13:35 <Mic2> I think you need one to reply?
16:13:35 <flo> the "add members directly" thing says "Note: Please use this feature carefully. Only add people you know. Using this feature for sending unwanted email can result in account deactivation. "
16:13:35 <clokep_work> Anyone can read (even w/o an email address at all. :P)
16:13:57 <clokep_work> I've done it before, it's fine. :)
16:13:58 <flo> clokep_work: well, I meant "read in your inbox" ;)
16:14:19 <Mic2> It's public and the email adress of the group is public so anyone can read and post there, but I think you need an account to answer to specific messages
16:14:37 <flo> you can just click "reply", can't you?
16:15:50 <clokep_work> flo: Right, to "read it in your inbox" you'll need an account.
16:16:03 <flo> even if the administrator invites you directly?
16:16:12 <clokep_work> Not sure about that.
16:16:31 <flo> let's try
16:16:42 <flo> Mic2: you would like to subscribe with a yahoo account?
16:17:07 <Mic2> Rather than having to create a new account with Google, yes
16:17:48 <flo> the google account doesn't mean a google email by the way
16:18:04 <flo> Mic2: what's the address I should use?
16:18:16 <Mic2> benediktp@ymail...
16:18:22 <flo> ok :)
16:19:18 <flo> "Google Groups sent an invitation to 1 person"
16:19:35 <flo> I tried sending an invitation. Let's see if you will receive a link to join directly without creating an account first
16:19:45 <flo> if not, I'll try "add members directly" next
16:21:13 <Mic2> Ok, let's see
16:29:12 <Mic2> The invite email was considered as spam but it seems it worked :D
16:33:58 <clokep_work> Nice. :)
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16:37:42 <flo> uh, the "/me" appeared on the line for me even though the action message was detected (the line is displayed with *** before and in italic) :-S
16:37:53 <Mic2> I need to go, just send me invites for the groups you think that might be interesting for me
16:37:53 <flo> probably a trivial bug in a regexp somewhere
16:38:12 <Mic2> have a nice day
16:38:24 <flo> thanks, talk to you later :)
16:38:33 <clokep_work> Bye.
16:40:05 <flo> I won't invite people to instantbird-bugs as there are lots of bugmails, but feel free to join it if interested
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16:40:35 <clokep_work> I filter all my mail though, so I could just ignore that folder.
16:41:23 <flo> I manage to read all of them so it's not more than a human can handle ;)
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16:42:09 <clokep_work> I usually just check the log and open them all, so...this is just easier. :)
16:42:23 <clokep_work> Although I'll probably get two now?
16:42:38 <flo> only new bugs, new attachment, reviews and status changes are in the log though ;)
16:42:54 <clokep_work> Wait...wouldn't it make more sense to just stalk/follow you in Bugzilla? That way I'd only get one email?
16:43:01 <flo> the individual comments and random field changes are not announced by instantbot
16:44:05 <flo> if you watch me you will see the emails I would receive if I had your email settings. I don't think the "global watcher" setting would apply
16:44:12 <flo> but you can try if you like
16:44:33 <flo> you will definitely get the comments from me.
16:44:37 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
16:48:31 <flo> so, team@instantbird.org is a member of Instantbird Contact. Will I receive all the messages twice?
16:49:28 <clokep_work> Probably.
16:49:40 <clokep_work> Make sure you reply to the correct one. :)
16:51:35 <flo> I hate mailing lists :)
16:52:27 <clokep_work> Me too.
16:52:49 <Mic2> Seems I need to sign in with my Google account to access the team-Instantbird mailing list ... bah
16:53:29 <flo> to read the archives, but not to read the new messages I think? Those should arrive directly in your inbox
16:53:54 <Mic2> The new messages should be fine and for the archives this was to be expected in one way or another :S
17:01:35 <flo> hmm, the problem with gmail is it's too clever
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17:01:55 <flo> I don't receive the messages I sent to a mailing list which I'm subscribed to
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17:26:08 <flo> should we post something on the blog to say the mailing list is now open?
17:28:07 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 687 to FIXED.
17:28:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687 nor, --, 0.3a2, nobody, RESO FIXED, I cannot add any MSN contacts.
17:28:28 <clokep_work> I think so. There seems to be users who comment on the blog who might wish to join.
17:30:02 <flo> is the "[Bug 687]" really removed by google groups in http://groups.google.com/group/instantbird-bugs/browse_thread/thread/6a2b2724ce403eb4 (when not viewing it from the web UI)?
17:33:15 <clokep_work> flo: In my gmail account I see [Bug 687] before it.
17:33:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687 nor, --, 0.3a2, nobody, RESO FIXED, I cannot add any MSN contacts.
17:33:42 <flo> ok, cool
17:34:37 <clokep_work> flo: Does a mailing list fix bug 134?
17:34:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Forums on site
17:34:46 <flo> I don't think so :)
17:36:35 <flo> so, instantbird, and instantbird-bugs work. I guess I should try instantbird-contact now
17:44:52 <flo> If using the mailing list redirection doesn't add a significant delay, I'll probably subscribe instantbot to instantbird-bugs and remove it from the global watchers
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17:51:02 <clokep_work> flo: "you dont need an account to subscribe, they can just email the subscribe address, or you can put a subscribe box on your site, in the settings > general "Get a promotion box for your website" " if that answers anything (from : http://getsatisfaction.com/google/topics/is_there_a_google_groups_api)
17:51:37 <flo> do you think we want such a box?
17:53:40 <clokep_work> I don't know, just saying you don't need an account. :)
17:55:15 <flo> so google group took 8 minutes to send the email I sent to contact@ib.org to team@ib.org, but it did arrive eventually
18:22:13 <flo> hmm, so I guess I just need to write a blog post now.
18:22:21 <flo> I'll go eat something before :-P.
18:27:46 <clokep_work> Mmm, food. :)
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20:16:16 <igorko1> hey- what with that bug- can't change tab in preferences
20:16:36 <igorko1> not only smiles
20:16:43 <igorko1> all tabs
20:16:48 <clokep_work> Do you have a bug #?
20:17:12 <igorko1> i saw info from instantbot- but didn't notice bug number
20:17:21 <igorko1> wait
20:18:20 <igorko1> regression
20:21:27 <clokep_work> Bah, I have to go -- meeting.
20:23:15 <igorko1> can't find
20:23:28 <igorko1> someone aslo has this bug in trunk?
20:23:59 <igorko1> oh
20:24:01 <igorko1> now works
20:24:07 <igorko1> strange
20:24:36 <igorko1> hehe- pushing on smiles breakes the rest tabs
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20:26:48 <igorko> yes- it's regression
20:26:54 <igorko> please confirm it
20:27:45 <igorko> Emotions tab doesn't work and breaks the rest tabs
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20:32:09 <clokep_work> What are the "rest tabs"?
20:32:28 <clokep_work> File a bug (or find the one that's already open?)  with steps to reproduce and I'll talk a look when I get home. :)
20:32:41 <igorko> after trying emotions tab all tabs in Advenced don't work
20:33:10 <igorko> Advanced
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20:43:49 <igorko> oh my i-net is lagginf
20:43:53 <igorko> lagging*
20:47:11 <igorko> guuys- Please test last nightly for this bug- my internet is lagging- can't download
20:48:54 <igorko> oh- it's fixed in nightly :)
20:49:56 <igorko> bug 723
20:49:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723 maj, --, 0.3a2, florian, RESO FIXED, After selecting Themes is not possible to switch the submenu.
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21:32:41 <brentbizzle> anyone here avail for a little help?
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23:56:20 <flo> Good night
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