#instantbird log on 03 03 2011

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00:18:57 <clokep> Yes Mic, just to keep my home email private.
00:19:46 <flo> clokep: I'll push that second part of the merge buddy work very soon. So if you want to look at the patch before I push it, don't wait much ;)
00:20:27 <clokep> OK. I'll check it in a bit. I had jus topened the tab. :P
00:20:42 <flo> I just reviewed it
00:21:11 <flo> self reviews are not really easy by the way
00:27:40 <clokep> Depends how thorough you are. ;)
00:28:44 <flo> "I trust the author, r+" ? ;)
00:28:55 <flo> that's not really useful :)
00:38:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 545 to bug 698.
00:38:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Provide a way to merge contacts
00:38:42 <flo> I put my review comments on the bug
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00:46:19 <clokep> I saw.
00:46:30 <clokep> I'm only like 1/10th of the way through.
00:46:37 <clokep> #contact-big as the other binding name? Nice. :P
00:52:48 <flo> you don't like it?
00:53:59 <clokep> It's fine. :)
00:54:08 <clokep> I was excited I found a spelling error....but you found it too. ;)
00:55:39 <flo> it was contact-selected first
00:55:59 <flo> but it didn't make sense anymore when I started using it for extended contacts too
00:57:51 <flo> another interesting usage would be to extend automatically a dragged over (after 1s maybe) contact so that the drop target is bigger/more obvious.
00:58:13 <clokep> That'd be neat.
00:58:53 <flo> probably relatively easy to do.
01:11:24 <clokep> flo: Is this our addon install issue: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585443
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01:15:06 <flo> clokep: I'm not sure if it's exactly the same, but it looks related
01:17:14 <flo> we need to port https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=503816&action=diff apparently
01:17:49 <clokep> Hmm... I see
01:18:22 <flo> that seems silly, but at least now we know where to start :)
01:20:37 <flo> should I wait a bit more before pushing the patch?
01:21:14 <clokep> No, I think you're good.
01:21:21 <clokep> I read most o fit, but didn't make it all the way through before dinner. :-[
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01:28:18 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3d9ff8c17775 - Florian Quèze - (Debug builds only) Open DOM Inspector on the XUL document of the current window.
01:28:19 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/60cf5556e90a - Florian Quèze - Bug 698 - provide a way to merge buddies into contacts, part2: buddy list UI changes.
01:32:29 <flo> I hope the nightlies tomorrow will be a good surprise for the testers who haven't followed closely bug 698 :)
01:32:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Provide a way to merge contacts
01:34:47 <flo> Good night! :)
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12:56:26 <Even1> New Instantbird nightly for windows available :)
12:56:31 <Even1> With contact merge suppmort ^^
12:56:37 <Even1> That sounds cool :)
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12:57:10 <Even1> Slow
12:58:05 <clokep_work> Slow?
12:58:20 <clokep_work> I was hoping the build would finish before I left for work, but alas. :( Will have to try tonight.
12:58:20 <Even1> Yeah.
12:58:27 <Even1> There is some performance issues.
12:58:32 <Even1> ANd the buttons are somehow buggy too.
12:58:42 <clokep_work> :-/ That's not good.
12:58:43 <Even1> I think flo will need to put some effort into this to make it look good.
12:58:50 <clokep_work> I wonder if flo tested on a full buddy list or just his test list?
12:58:58 <Even1> I suppose he did.
12:59:01 <Even1> But only on mac...
12:59:01 <Even1> :)
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13:00:30 <clokep_work> Right. :) Silly macs.
13:05:08 <clokep_work> Are you on an older computer also that could be an issue?
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13:24:28 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/"
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13:58:12 <Even1> Not really no.
13:58:15 <Even1> Win7, core i7
13:58:27 <Even1> I think you can even tell it's brand new ;)
14:00:25 <clokep_work> Yes. :) Although it could always be a graphics thing too with the new toolkit? Who knows.
14:00:36 <Even1> Well, not I at least.
14:00:49 <Even1> But the sure part is : it is not good to look at ^^
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15:48:40 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 719 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
15:48:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle multiple authentication types in IRC JavaScript
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15:52:49 <flo> hello :)
15:55:36 <clokep_work> Hello flo.
15:55:48 <clokep_work> Apparently Even isn't enjoying tonight's nightly. ;)
15:56:01 * flo upgrades his Windows debug build to look into the appearance issue there. 45 new changesets in the repository since my last windows build :)
16:02:24 <clokep_work> Good luck. :)
16:02:37 <clokep_work> 45 changesets? That has to be like a month or so.
16:05:54 <flo> arg, I have to rebuild mozilla too, an include file is missing when building libpurple :-/
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16:52:01 <clokep_work> Any luck or still building? ;)
17:00:03 <flo> still building for probably an hour or two
17:00:21 <clokep_work> Debug takes longer or just that it's a VM?
17:00:35 <flo> it's Windows
17:00:42 <flo> + the VM
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17:01:36 <flo> and debug may be a bit longer, but not making a huge difference
17:09:09 <flo> nice, my mozilla source code doesn't even build
17:09:47 <clokep_work> :(
17:13:53 <flo> first attempt failed after 6 minutes (Windows cannot reliably remove an empty folder...), the second after 46 minutes. any bet on the time for the third failure? :-D
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17:22:36 <tymerkaev> bah, I can't change emoticons theme anymore.
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17:37:26 <iLobster> Good evening
17:38:11 <clokep_work> Hello.
17:56:35 <iLobster> I have a question about visual look of Instantbird contact list after last nightly update - there is visual glitch in my list (with those new buttons) http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9458/buddylistw.png
17:57:01 <iLobster> It's common glitch or my only?
18:01:27 <clokep_work> I think Even saw it, but you should describe it anyway for flo. :)
18:01:30 * clokep_work hasn't tried it yet.
18:04:29 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 720 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
18:04:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support IRC services
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19:11:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 721 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
19:12:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Participants need tooltips
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19:30:36 <flo> failed after 84 minutes this time :-S
19:30:53 <clokep_work> Still from Mozilla stuff?
19:31:05 <flo> yes, in places this time :)
19:34:09 <flo> bah, the error is "/bin/sh: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable."
19:34:50 <clokep_work> Fun.
19:34:59 <clokep_work> But it built fine on the server?
19:36:48 <flo> why not?
19:37:46 <clokep_work> Didn't the nightly build? So why is Mozilla failing for you when you're probably on a similar revision to what the nightly was built w/? I think that's what I'm saying. :)
19:38:57 <flo> it's failing because of windows failing to handle a file system of processes (= bad luck, which is extremely common every time *I* touch Windows), not because of the mozilla code
19:41:36 <clokep_work> Ohhhh, got it.
19:42:27 <clokep_work> Eh, just blame Windows. :)
19:46:13 <Mic> Windows is Linux--. Ehm.
19:47:06 <Mic> No trolling, OK.
19:49:15 <Mic> flo: one thing concerning contacts: it's not clear why some buddies have an open-conversation button and other don't if you have both connected and disconnected accounts with buddies on the list (I guess the problem was the same with the context menu and double-click behaviour already but I can't check at the moment)
19:54:13 <Mic> Good evening
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21:12:26 <flo> it failed again, a bit further, with a stupid error message too. Maybe I should have rebooted it already :)
21:14:48 <flo> Mic: the button is there if it's possible to open a conversation, that is when the account is connected AND the contact is online, or supports receiving offline messages.
21:15:06 <flo> any idea for how to make the difference less surprising/more understandable?
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21:52:42 <Mic> flo: should I make a wiki page about contacts or would you like to get feedback just here?
21:53:05 <Mic> (like the tabs/preferences issues pages we had on the wiki)
21:53:22 <flo> Mic: whatever feels most appropriate for the material you have
21:53:46 <flo> bugs blocking bug 698 could work well too if that's for issues that don't need discussion but only a fix :)
21:53:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Provide a way to merge contacts
21:54:20 <flo> (or if they need some discussion but it's at least obvious something is not right :))
21:55:48 <flo> Mic: how many issues have you found yet? :)
21:56:07 <Mic> Only three
21:56:49 <flo> just when I was going to say my build made great progress, it failed in venkman/DOMi. Pff :(
21:57:40 <Mic> The collapse/expand button has no label, you can't rename buddies inside a contact, and the aforementioned start-conversation button
21:59:09 <flo> why would you want to rename a buddy?
21:59:26 <flo> only the contact name will be used in the UI
22:00:20 <Mic> Ah, interesting ..
22:00:25 <flo> have you tried on Windows or Linux by the way? :)
22:00:46 <Mic> On Windows only
22:01:26 <flo> what do you mean by "label" for the collapse/expand button? Is the tooltip not enough?
22:01:44 <Mic> I expected something like a up or down pointing chevron
22:02:12 <flo> that's what it is
22:02:28 <Mic> It's completely blank here
22:02:34 <flo> (well, except something is broken on Windows that I need to fix in the CSS as soon as I have a build with dom inspector)
22:04:04 * flo uploads a screenshot
22:04:24 <flo> it looks like this on mac: http://queze.net/goinfre/blist-expand-contact-button.png
22:04:58 <Mic> Yes, that's what I expected
22:05:08 <flo> ok :)
22:05:26 <Mic> Maybe I even saw that on a screenshot already
22:05:50 <flo> it's the issue everyone is complaining about
22:06:03 <flo> I misunderstood you because I thought "label" implied some text, sorry
22:06:30 <Mic> Isn't that just a label?
22:06:38 <Mic> *character
22:06:49 <flo> it's an image
22:06:56 <Mic> There should be a similiar unicode character for sure
22:07:40 <flo> it's the image Firefox uses on Windows in the bookmark manager
22:08:04 <flo> I took the Windows image for all OSes because I really disliked the mac one, and the linux one is rather unpredictable in size as it's from the GTK theme
22:11:23 <Mic> Selected contacts with not start-conv button and not status-text look bad to me: there's just the contact name on the lhs of the top row and the expand button on the rhs of the lower row
22:12:29 <flo> I want to change the text displayed on the second line
22:13:15 <flo> I hesitate between: <status type>[: <status text if present>] or if the <status type> will be only a fallback to avoid a blank line when there's no status text
22:13:35 <flo> I agree that they sure look bad :)
22:15:10 <flo> my build starts and DOMi seem to work, yay! :)
22:15:40 <flo> it just took me *6* hours to upgrade my build...
22:15:45 <Mic> What about a scribbling-pen icon for the start-conv icon? It's too many bubbles on your Mac screenshot and IRC contacts imo
22:16:06 <Mic> (cf Skype typing notifications)
22:16:12 <flo> IRC contacts don't look like that
22:16:53 <Mic> yes, they even have one bubble extra :P
22:16:54 <flo> it's the generic icon for protocols that have no icon (on the screenshot, the buddies are of the 'Null' and 'JS Test' protocols)
22:18:04 <flo> maybe the icon needs to be changed, yes. I took what I had in hand ;)
22:18:33 <flo> I thought in the future we could put the number of unread messages of the conversation in the bubble.
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22:27:58 <clokep> And partial failed...
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22:28:38 * flo will have a fix very soon for the buttons on Windows
22:29:23 <Mic> The aliases of a contact is automatically set for all contained buddies?
22:29:30 <Mic> *alias
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22:31:12 <Mic> We could leave it away and display only a row of protocol icons if they all have the same name as the contact itself anyways
22:31:53 <flo> if things work correctly on the protocol plugin side, the alias of the contact is set to all buddies to be stored on the server, and if that succeeds, it becomes the "server alias" of the buddy
22:32:11 <flo> s/set/sent/
22:32:21 <clokep> Besides the totally crazy icons...it looks good. :)
22:35:03 <flo> Mic: I think I would prefer if we could display the server alias set by the remote person in that list instead of the server alias set by the user overriding it.
22:35:28 <flo> that would show the MSN "friendly" name... :-P
22:37:18 <clokep> It doesn't scroll when I try to drag a buddy onto someone who's "offscreen"
22:38:32 <flo> buy a bigger screen, collapse some groups, or file a bug? :)
22:38:51 <clokep> Collapsed some groups and file a bug sounds like a plan.
22:39:12 <flo> big screens are nice too ;)
22:39:20 <clokep> At work I have a 23".
22:41:41 <Mic> Detaching by dragging 'between' other contacts would be nice (cf dragging a url to the firefox tab bar: dropping in the middle opens in the tab pointed at, dropping near the border will open a new one)
22:42:47 <Mic> A drop indicator like bar between contacts or highlighting the contact to drop on would be nice then
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22:44:21 <flo> "highlighting the contact to drop on" how is that different from what we currently have?
22:44:33 <clokep> On windows it's not highlighted?
22:45:43 <flo> oh crap, the highlight color is the same as the buddy list background on Windows :(
22:46:39 <flo> (you can see it when dragging over a buddy: the gradient disappears)
22:49:52 <clokep> It's working pretty well now though. :)
22:50:39 <flo> :)
22:51:42 <flo> (thanks by the way. It's disappointing when working on a feature for days if not weeks and all you get is a list of broken things ;))
22:52:03 <clokep> Sorry -- I've been too busy combing all my buddies. ;)
22:52:28 <flo> you are not responsible for all the issues I've left.
22:52:40 <flo> I should really have tested on Windows. I didn't expect it could look that bad
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22:53:27 <flo> so, what's a good color for the highlight on Windows if -moz-dragtargetzone is unusable? :)
22:54:02 <clokep> No highlight I think is standard windows theming?
22:55:15 <flo> there's no highlight at all when dropping something in the file explorer?
22:55:20 <Mic> There is.
22:55:31 <clokep> If it's UNusable?
22:55:34 <clokep> Is there? Idk. :(
22:55:35 <Mic> At least on folders
22:56:27 <flo> the color of selected accounts in the account manager looks good for that
22:56:30 <Mic> Ah, and executables :)
22:56:34 <clokep> flo: I'm not sure if I'm actually seeing tihs issue or not. :-/ If I only have one buddy in a group...then move that buddy to another group...that group should collapse, right?
22:56:55 <flo> it should disappear
22:56:58 <clokep> But it doesn't...and then if I collapse and reopen it...the buddies that were moved ar eback there (but also in the moved location)
22:57:09 <clokep> brb
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22:57:14 <flo> any MSN buddy in it?
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22:57:19 <flo> any MSN buddy in it?
22:57:48 <clokep> No. I only have like 3 MSN buddies.
22:57:59 <clokep> It was an AIM buddy.
22:58:18 <flo> I've never managed to trust the code to move buddies. But it seemed to work well on AIM when I tried it.
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22:58:33 <clokep> All is well after a restart though? :-/
22:58:38 <clokep> Thta's kind of strange.
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22:59:41 <flo> most likely a bug in my code then :)
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23:02:27 <Mic> Good night
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23:04:00 <clokep> Sorry. :-X ;)
23:15:35 <flo> ah, the splitter is big in conversations on Windows :-S
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23:30:56 <flo> here is the fix I have for the Windows theming issues: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/581
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23:31:05 <flo> I verified it doesn't regress things on Mac.
23:31:16 <flo> not sure if I should try on Linux before pushing this time :-D
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23:33:24 <clokep> Nah, they need some bugs to fix sometimes. ;)
23:35:58 <flo> ahah, the newest changeset I have in the repository in my linux VM is from May 2010 :)
23:36:26 <clokep> I think you should wait a few more months, go for the year. :-D
23:37:13 <flo> 176 changesets added :)
23:38:01 <flo> wait, was that on Mozilla2 already? :-D
23:41:16 <flo> 0.2pre :-S
23:41:28 <clokep> :(
23:41:29 <flo> arg, I forgot to hg up after pulling
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