#instantbird log on 02 27 2011

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19:16:07 <clokep> Twitter really does work pretty well I have to say...
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19:45:02 <flo> clokep: well, either it works or it doesn't ;)
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19:54:17 <Mic> clokep: could you reproduce the crash of the connection?
19:56:41 <clokep> I haven't tried.
19:58:29 <clokep> Do you know anything about how it happens?
19:58:33 <clokep> Is there any network events or?
20:01:18 <Mic> I thought I get an exception when re-joining a room and the connection is broken thereafter
20:01:26 <Mic> -I thought
20:01:43 <Mic> I think I pastebin'ed the errors with explanations
20:02:02 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/578
20:02:34 <clokep> Oh, yes I thought you were referring to something else.
20:02:42 <clokep> The connection will /always/ break after an error occurs.
20:03:18 <clokep> I haven't figure out that erro ryet, for some reason the participants are removed when parting the room.
20:03:30 <clokep> *aren't removed when parting the room.
20:03:45 <clokep> So when you rejoin it tries to re-add participants that are already there.
20:04:19 <Mic> The side effects of the broken connection are also not so nice (ie the account is broken in the account manager)
20:14:02 <flo> am I the only one confused when someone uses the word "crash" for a JS exception?
20:17:56 <Mic> :P
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20:26:19 <clokep> Did I use "crash" for an exception?
20:26:38 <clokep> And yes I know the side effect is bad. I know a try catch block in there somewhere
20:27:34 <clokep> I need a try-catch block somewhere, rather.
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20:53:50 <Mic> Yes, I said 'the connection crashed' because it didn't seem to be usable anymore
20:58:26 <clokep> Ah, yeah I know what you meant.
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21:09:59 * flo hates horizontal scrollbars.
21:10:17 <flo> especially when they appear for no apparent reason :)
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21:21:17 <clokep> The best is when a vertical scrollbar appearing cause the horizontal scrollbar to appear.
21:21:25 <flo> heh :)
21:21:47 <flo> double horizontal scrollbar is nice too ;)
21:22:00 <clokep> Inside of stacked iframes or something?
21:22:02 <flo> we used to have that when resizing the buddy list
21:22:54 <flo> the first was due to the long display names (before I figured out how the crop attribute works)
21:23:23 <flo> the second scrollbar was due to the notification box showing the away message, when some words in the message were larger than the window :)
21:27:42 <clokep> Nice. :)
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21:43:51 <clokep> You're getting them again on the buddy list?
21:44:08 <flo> I found the issue. Fixing something else now.
21:44:43 <flo> CSS is hard when you want you an exact result ;)
21:45:16 <flo> when the css binding changes when a buddy is selected or hovered, I want the parts that stay the same to appear in the exact same pixels on the screen
21:45:29 <flo> even a single pixel of difference is very noticeable
21:48:07 <clokep> Yes, shifting is kind of eh.
21:57:31 <flo> will be even more fun when trying to animate all that :)
21:57:55 * Mic is curious what this is :)
21:58:27 <flo> that I'm doing in the buddy list?
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21:59:16 <Mic> Yes
22:00:19 <flo> mostly the "show more information about buddies" bug
22:00:37 <flo> it's somewhat of a prerequisite to display the list of buddies in a contact
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22:21:25 <Mic> good night
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23:30:23 <flo> here is what I have: http://queze.net/goinfre/blist-details.png
23:31:15 <clokep> Looks nice. :)
23:31:32 <flo> I just updated the screenshot to show that cropping actually works
23:33:52 <flo> the chat bubble icon is a button to start a conversation
23:34:27 <clokep> The chat bubble icon on the right I assume?
23:34:31 <flo> it's there to fix the "no way to start a conversation" bug where some users couldn't start a conversation because they didn't think of right clicking or double clicking or pressing enter
23:35:03 <clokep> Are those still the protocol icons?
23:35:10 <flo> I would like the icon to change when there are unread messages in the conversation (and in that case, be visible even when not hovered)
23:35:11 <clokep> (On the left side.)
23:35:20 <flo> yes, they are still the protocol icon
23:35:25 <flo> not sure yet what to do about them
23:36:51 <flo> my first plan (years ago :)) was to replace the protocol icon with an icon similar to the one used in the profile manager for contacts that have more than 1 buddy
23:36:53 <clokep> That's something that some people love and others don't. :-/
23:37:01 <clokep> OK.
23:37:14 <flo> I suspect people will insist that we put the buddy icon there instead
23:38:18 <flo> but if we display a bigger icon for selected buddies, then we will lose the vertical alignment of names
23:38:46 <flo> if we put it on the right, it will "jump" when the contact is hovered and the icons appear
23:44:47 <clokep> Right, jumping icons is very bad.
23:45:20 <flo> if we want to display bigger buddy icons for 2-lines contact bindings, something will jump either on the left or on the right :-(
23:47:48 <clokep> We could have them pop bigger on mosue over. ;) But just the icon so nothing else jumps.
23:48:16 <flo> where?
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23:54:51 <clokep> Have a small buddy icon that pops bigger on mouseover, but actually...it'd be so tiny when "small" it wouldn't really matter.
23:55:35 <flo> so the buddy icon would be at the current place of the protocol icon?
23:55:52 <clokep> Yes.
23:56:39 <flo> handling buddy icons correctly is probably the next thing once I'll be done with contacts :)
23:57:19 <flo> (and reviewing JS-IRC maybe? ;))
23:57:32 <clokep> Haha, eventually. There's a lot to review. :-/