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17:22:40 <sajber> hey guys
17:22:56 <clokep> Hi.
17:23:17 <sajber> i was just wondering...custom smileys dosnt work...they dont on pidgin either...is it because of the new msn protocoll?
17:23:24 <sajber> i used to be able to see them
17:25:02 <sajber> ie..my friend has a smiley i dont have example ":wink:" but it doesnt load in the chat window...just showing text..
17:25:06 <clokep> It's possible. I don't know if Instantbird uses them at all.
17:25:24 <sajber> ah
17:25:33 <sajber> so custom smileys is not implemented yet?
17:25:39 <clokep> I don't know.
17:26:10 <clokep> Sorry. :-/
17:26:39 <sajber> who in here knows? Who in here can bring peace to my restless mind? :(
17:27:28 <clokep> I'm not sure, it's a Sunday, so probably rather quiet in here.
17:28:20 <sajber> :/
17:28:25 <sajber> ill be back!
17:28:50 <clokep> You could file a bug too?
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17:29:43 <Wolfy|Sajber> back
17:30:21 <Wolfy|Sajber> i get so irritated...pidgin is great...but its a mess...
17:30:38 <Wolfy|Sajber> it just makes me so sad that instantbird has so long left to go :/
17:30:57 <clokep> Perhaps you could help out? :)
17:31:00 <Wolfy|Sajber> getting buddy icons is a step in the right direction ..
17:31:14 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: dont think i will be of any help ./
17:31:14 <clokep> It has buddy icons?
17:31:16 <Wolfy|Sajber> :/
17:31:38 <Wolfy|Sajber> in 0.3 it will
17:31:47 <clokep> It has buddy icons already.
17:31:49 <clokep> Mouse over anyone.
17:33:50 <clokep> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you?
17:33:52 <Wolfy|Sajber> hmm..well not for all my contacts..
17:34:04 <Wolfy|Sajber> i actually mean buddy icon in chat window .:)
17:34:05 <Wolfy|Sajber> .)
17:34:19 <Wolfy|Sajber> :P
17:34:51 <clokep> Oh, I see. :) Yes it should be, hopefully someone finds time to work on it.
17:35:24 <clokep> But if you find bugs, you can file them (and search to see if they're on there) on http://bugzilla.instantbird.org
17:35:42 <Wolfy|Sajber> yes i found that..
17:35:57 <Wolfy|Sajber> to bad i cant list all bugs...without needing to search for one
17:38:04 <clokep> It can
17:38:18 <Wolfy|Sajber> how? :P
17:38:22 <clokep> Just do an advanced search for all open bugs.
17:39:43 <clokep> (One second)
17:40:02 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=status%3AREOPENED%2CNEW%2CASSIGNED%2CUNCONFIRMED
17:41:09 <Wolfy|Sajber> thx ^^
17:46:37 <clokep> You're welcome. Bugzilla can be a pain to use, but it is powerful.
17:49:15 <Wolfy|Sajber> yes i can see that :P
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17:57:19 <clokep> If you don't see something in there, please file it. :)
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18:05:52 <clokep> (That and a few other searches are set up for anyone w/ an account, you just need to enable it to show up on the bottom of the page.
18:06:43 <Wolfy|Sajber> :P
18:07:09 <skeledrew> hmm
18:07:28 <skeledrew> Wolfy|Sajber: custom smileys are in both Pidgin and IB
18:08:19 <Wolfy|Sajber> yes
18:08:24 <Wolfy|Sajber> but they are bugged
18:08:35 <skeledrew> in what way?
18:09:07 <Wolfy|Sajber> in pidigin some of them just appear as red X
18:09:20 <Wolfy|Sajber> when i recieve them from friends
18:09:30 <skeledrew> that reminds me. i need to bump the version # on my emoticons theme.  recent nightly broke it
18:09:48 <skeledrew> how about in IB?
18:10:23 <Wolfy|Sajber> they dont show at all...just get their text kod ":wink:" ":lol:" etc..
18:10:29 <Wolfy|Sajber> *code
18:10:38 <skeledrew> that could mean that you don't have the icons in your pack that they have
18:10:42 <clokep> skeledrew: Do you mean custom smileys as in just changing the default set of smilies or actually accepting them from another user as part of the protocol.
18:11:06 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: accepthing them form another user as part of the MSN protocol :P
18:11:25 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: I know which one you're talking about. ;) I think Skeledrew is referring to the former.
18:11:25 <skeledrew> oh. i see
18:11:36 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: good! :D
18:11:36 <skeledrew> yes. the former
18:11:42 <Wolfy|Sajber> then we are on the same page!
18:11:45 <clokep> Yup. :)
18:11:49 <skeledrew> i doubt the latter is really possible
18:11:58 <Wolfy|Sajber> it worked before on pidign
18:12:04 <clokep> skeledrew: It's part of a bunch of protocols.
18:12:06 <Wolfy|Sajber> then it broke for some reason
18:12:11 <skeledrew> because text codes are used to activate the smileys
18:12:28 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: File a bug, that way we know it's an issue, you'll get emailed updates if someone works on it, etc.
18:12:28 <Wolfy|Sajber> msn are able to send smileys like that
18:12:34 <skeledrew> but i do remember it working back in my Pidgin days
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18:12:45 <clokep> skeledrew: I agree, I think some of our smiley code might need to get reworked. :-\
18:12:55 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: can you help me file it?
18:13:08 <clokep> Definitely.
18:13:09 <skeledrew> i got some crazy animated smileys that destroyed my little memory :(
18:13:19 <clokep> Do you have an account?
18:13:45 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: link and ill fix one
18:13:55 <skeledrew> it only happened for MSN animated smileys though. not the others...
18:14:16 <Wolfy|Sajber> skeledrew: it doesnt work for any now..animated or non animeted
18:14:35 <skeledrew> interesting. ok
18:15:03 <Sertion> Hi
18:15:10 <Wolfy|Sajber> Sertion: hello
18:15:12 <skeledrew> but you should still fall back on the default though. unless it was changed
18:15:17 <skeledrew> Sertion: hi
18:15:47 <clokep> Hello Sertion.
18:16:08 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: the main page of http://bugzilla.instantbird.org has something about creating an account (as does the top of every page I think?)
18:16:09 <Sertion> I just spent about 40 minutes compiling instanbird according to the wikipage, but now I don't unserstand what to do with it. I have almost no experience compiling
18:16:11 <clokep> I can't see it...I'm logged in.
18:16:35 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: registering now
18:16:40 <clokep> OK. :)
18:17:16 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: ok..how should i formulate this...?
18:17:27 <Sertion> Im running Ubuntu 10.10 in wmware, if that matters
18:18:22 <clokep> Well first we need to come up with a good summary.
18:18:35 <clokep> Is there a real term for that or just "Custom smilies"?
18:19:03 <skeledrew> Sertion: it shouldn't matter that you're running in VMWare
18:19:05 <clokep> Sertion: You can just install the pre-compiled version if you want? Is there a particular reason you're compiling?
18:19:28 <Wolfy|Sajber> Custom smileys not showing when accepthing them form another user as part of the MSN protocol.
18:19:30 <Wolfy|Sajber> ?
18:19:47 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: That sounds good, minus the spelling errors. ;)
18:19:49 <Sertion> clokep: I was thinking that I could use my masive CSS, HTML and Javascript skillz for some good :P
18:19:59 <clokep> Oh OK. :)
18:20:16 <clokep> If you're editing just JS/CSS/XUL stuff you don't necessarily need to compile it.
18:20:23 <clokep> After compiling you end up with a binary executable.
18:20:32 <clokep> I forget where it gets created though. :) Let me check my computer.
18:21:39 <clokep> Sertion: It should be in /mozilla/dist/bin ?
18:22:21 <clokep> (Or was that not your question?)
18:22:22 <Sertion> clokep: / like in the root or root of the folder I compiled in?
18:22:39 <clokep> root of the folder you compiled it in.
18:22:47 <Sertion> My question is "I've compiled. Now what? I want to help."
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18:23:40 <clokep> OK. I'd suggest finding a bug you're interested in fixing (probably an easier one to start with).
18:24:08 <clokep> And look through the code in the area you'd have to fix to get a little familiar you're with, then fix it. ;)
18:24:12 <clokep> And ask lots of questions when you don't get things.
18:24:15 <Sertion> My current biggest problem with doing changes to the code is thouse stupid jar-fake-zip-files
18:24:22 <clokep> Oh....
18:24:29 <clokep> When you compile there's an option you can use to not use those.
18:24:50 <clokep> If you're not going to be editing the C++ files though, you can just download a precompiled build and then unzip the jar.
18:24:51 <instantbot> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.
18:24:54 <clokep> And do all your work there.
18:25:01 <Sertion> Firefox, iv'e heard, can use a folder with the same name instead to override
18:25:01 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 707 filed by sajber@sajber.info.
18:25:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Custom smileys not showing when accepting them from another user as part of the MSN protocol.
18:25:42 <clokep> In instantbird you end up with omni.jar in the root, correct?
18:25:58 <Sertion> Whan I install or when I compile?
18:27:00 <clokep> Sorry, let me rephrase, both of them would create omni.jar (compiling yourself you can set it up to /not/ create that though).
18:27:08 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: posted
18:27:32 <clokep> Sertion: And by "root" I Mean the root of the Instantbird directory, if you're compiling it'd be in that directory I gave you earlier.
18:27:39 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: I see, do you know if this ever worked in Instantbird?
18:27:40 <Sertion> clokep: I've found the ./mozilla/dist/bin-folder
18:28:25 <clokep> Is there an omni.jar in there? :)
18:28:45 <Sertion> No. Ther's no .jar-files
18:28:55 <Wolfy|Sajber> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707
18:28:59 <clokep> skeledrew: Are you using Instantbird 0.2, I forget.
18:28:59 <instantbot> Bug 707 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Custom smileys not showing when accepting them from another user as part of the MSN protocol.
18:29:09 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: Yup, I'm checking it out.
18:29:20 <clokep> Do me a favor, check what version of libpurple it uses?
18:29:22 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: i dont think it has ever worked in instant bird..
18:29:29 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: sure
18:29:31 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: Help > About
18:30:01 <Wolfy|Sajber> libpurple 2.7.10 :P
18:30:16 <clokep> I really don't think that's right.
18:30:35 <clokep> You're on Windows XP, right?
18:30:36 <Wolfy|Sajber> thats what it says :OP
18:30:38 <Wolfy|Sajber> :P
18:30:38 <Wolfy|Sajber> yes
18:30:54 <clokep> What version of Instantbird is it?
18:31:03 <Wolfy|Sajber> aha
18:31:04 <Wolfy|Sajber> oh
18:31:04 <Wolfy|Sajber> wait
18:31:10 <skeledrew> clokep: i'm on the nightly
18:31:26 <Wolfy|Sajber> i thought you mean the pidgin libpurple verison
18:31:27 <Wolfy|Sajber> lol
18:31:32 <clokep> skeledrew: OK, Thanks. :) Was curious if you could check the version for me. ;) (I only have 0.3a2pre installed atm.)
18:31:37 <Wolfy|Sajber> libpurple 2.6.6
18:31:41 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: No, I meant the Instantbird libpurple version.
18:31:51 <skeledrew> k
18:31:51 <clokep> Right. OK. So even if they broke it recently that wouldn't be the issue I don't think.
18:32:03 <Wolfy|Sajber> true
18:32:56 <skeledrew> clokep: hmm. is there a way to force a full update? the partial updates are continuously getting broken, and i have to get the full after anyway
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18:33:13 <clokep> skeledrew: It should do it automatically after the partial fails.
18:33:29 <skeledrew> it does, but i want to prevent the partials
18:33:39 <clokep> skeledrew: Not that I know of. :-\
18:33:49 <skeledrew> k
18:33:58 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 708 filed by sajber@sajber.info.
18:34:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Some buddy icons doesn't show in buddies list (MSN)
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18:34:11 <clokep> Sertion: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=status%3AREOPENED%2CNEW%2CASSIGNED%2CUNCONFIRMED has a list of open bugs.
18:34:17 <clokep> There's also some other requests.
18:34:24 <clokep> on the wiki.
18:34:49 <skeledrew> the admins here put up some filters and stuff on the network that breaks most of my downloads...
18:35:22 <clokep> Yeah, schools do weird stuff.
18:35:30 <Sertion> clokep: How do you recommend me starting of? Doing edits to my own installation of the nightly or just poking at random files creating diffs?
18:36:16 * Sertion has absolutely no knowledge of OS development :(
18:36:18 <clokep> Sertion: I personally usually edit the actual files of an installation (I usually use a zipped version instead of the installer on Windows), after I make the changes I copy the file to my checkout of the repository to create the diff.
18:36:34 <clokep> Sertion: Are you on Windows/*nix/Mac?
18:37:02 <Sertion> clokep: I mainly use Windows 7, but I have VMs for almost every system
18:37:38 <clokep> OK, well choose your favorite one then? The one that has your favorite text editor maybe? :P
18:38:14 <Sertion> Ok, if I don't need to compile that's easy :P
18:39:28 <clokep> Yes. :)
18:39:45 <skeledrew> what i did was read the more interesting JS/XUL files and create a flow diagram in my head of how things actually work (what functions call what, etc)
18:39:56 <Wolfy|Sajber> there i filed two bugs :P
18:40:30 <Sertion> Wolfy|Sjaber: Nice, bugs makes the world tick :)
18:40:41 <skeledrew> and get DOMInspector so you can see things working on the fly
18:41:08 <Wolfy|Sajber> Sertion: ive given upp on pidgin...their organisation is a mess...you guys have a better chance
18:41:10 * skeledrew is now off to do assignments and papers...
18:41:18 <Wolfy|Sajber> skeledrew: cya
18:41:27 <skeledrew> alrighty
18:41:30 * clokep is on the phone. Brb.
18:41:57 <Wolfy|Sajber> i wanna test if highlight works... say somthing to me plz
18:42:04 <Sertion> Wolfy|Sajber: the lib is still pidgin people :\
18:42:11 <Wolfy|Sajber> thx
18:42:21 <Wolfy|Sajber> highlight works
18:42:44 <Wolfy|Sajber> Sertion: i know...but MAYBE some one from instantbird can submit a patch.. :/
18:43:14 <clokep> Sertion: OK, sorry about that. So I'd suggest you go w/ the zipped/installer version and unzipping the omni.jar file (and oyu have to make a couple other small changes too.)
18:43:31 <clokep> And if you find something interesting to work on, I can probably point you to the proper files/areas to look into.
18:43:53 <Sertion> Wolfy|Sajber: Sure, but lib-bugs need to be in the lib-bugzilla
18:44:12 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: libpurple isn't too hard to get around, although I've never looked at the pidgin code personally. We do submit patches upstream to them when we fix things. But we're not going to reorganize all their code.
18:44:34 <clokep> libpurple bugs should be filed w/ Pidgin, yes. :)
18:44:40 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: i have to post the bugs somewhere
18:44:52 <Wolfy|Sajber> and fact is its bugs in instantbird too
18:44:58 <Wolfy|Sajber> and i dont know the cause realy
18:45:03 <Wolfy|Sajber> but i can imagine..
18:45:08 <Sertion> clokep: Do you provide zipped windows nightlies?
18:45:22 <clokep> Sertion: Yes, letme find it for you.
18:45:35 <Sertion> awesome :o
18:45:44 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: That's fine posting it in ours, but sometimes we're just going to be "Hey, it's not us, here's the link to the libpurple bug."
18:45:59 <clokep> Sertion: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/
18:46:05 <clokep> (Windows zip is on the bottom.)
18:46:37 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: mm
18:46:40 <Sertion> clokep: <3
18:47:21 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: I don't have any MSN people that I can test bug 708 with. :( Sorry. It's possible it's fixed in the updated libpurple if you wanted to try the alpha that was just released?
18:47:24 <Sertion> Oh, the omni.jar is new for 0.3
18:47:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Some buddy icons doesn't show in buddies list (MSN)
18:47:46 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: http://blog.instantbird.org/n37-instantbird-0-3-alpha-1-released.html
18:47:52 <clokep> Sertion: Yes, that's a Mozilla 2.0 thing.
18:49:11 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: tested before didnt work
18:49:28 <Wolfy|Sajber> tested with the latest nightly too
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18:49:48 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: OK. Usually you want to be the newest build it doesn't work on in the version.
18:49:54 <clokep> ...and 0.3a1 isn't on there.
18:49:55 <clokep> :(
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18:50:40 <Sertion> Did you miss me? :)
18:50:42 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: ee what?
18:50:57 <clokep> Wolfy|Sajber: Don't worry about it.
18:51:02 <Wolfy|Sajber> :P
18:51:11 <instantbot> New Websites - bugzilla.instantbird.org bug 709 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
18:51:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Version 0.3a1 is not available in Bugzilla
18:51:30 <Wolfy|Sajber> clokep: lol
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18:57:59 <clokep> Sertion: Any other questions or just checking stuff out?
18:58:34 <Sertion> clokep: Im currently researching how to get that DOM inspector in IB
18:58:53 <Sertion> But now I found it
18:58:58 <Sertion> As a add-on
19:00:33 <clokep> Yes. I don't really use the DOMi very often, but I don't usually work with UI code.
19:00:53 * Sertion can't live without firebug
19:01:31 <clokep> Eh, I dislike Firebug personally. :) Just doesn't flow w/ me, but I understand.
19:02:02 * Sertion do a lot of weird javascript stuff
19:02:28 <clokep> You said you know JavaScript, CSS and HTML?
19:04:39 <Sertion> clokep: Yeah
19:04:42 <Sertion> And SVG
19:04:57 <clokep> Ah, I see.
19:05:09 <clokep> Are you familiar with mozilla stuff or not really?
19:06:05 <Sertion> clokep: Well, I've been using Firefox since 1.0 and been a freetime webdev since
19:06:28 <Sertion> But I've never done any development nor bug reporting for mozilla
19:06:46 <clokep> OK, well the user interface for it is written in XUL which is semantically similar to HTML, but not the same.
19:08:48 <Sertion> Yeah, I have messed with XUL a bit and I liked it
19:09:34 <clokep> OK. :)
19:10:03 <Sertion> Did some userstyles for the chrome in css
19:11:39 <clokep> I see.
19:13:28 <Sertion> clokep: One last huge question
19:13:39 <clokep> Yup.
19:13:44 <Sertion> Indentation? Tab? 4 spaces? 2 spaces?
19:13:58 <Sertion> The biggest dev question of all time.
19:14:08 <Sertion> It's serious business 
19:14:14 <clokep> Hahaha.
19:14:23 <clokep> Uhhh...I think most our files are 2 spaces.
19:14:28 <clokep> Definitely not tabs. ;) I got yelled at for that.
19:14:37 <Sertion> clokep: Ok
19:14:48 <Sertion> The Mozilla people say two spaces
19:17:08 <clokep> Yeah, I think we juts use that too.
19:24:51 <Sertion> Was it skeledrew who used the DOM inspector?
19:28:47 <clokep> Yes.
19:28:54 <clokep> I have it installed too.
19:29:44 <Sertion> Most of the visible UI-elements in the chat-windows appear red for me and I can't edit their properties 
19:30:34 <Sertion> All elements in the xul namespace, to be precise 
19:33:27 <Mathnerd314> I think that's due to the use of XBL. But I'm not sure.
19:34:08 <Sertion> Mathnerd314: So there is no way around it?
19:34:34 <Mathnerd314> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM_Inspector_FAQ#Why_do_some_nodes_in_the_Document_DOM_Node_View_appear_in_red.3f
19:35:23 <Mathnerd314> maybe ask in #developers
19:36:40 <Sertion> Mathnerd314: Thank you
19:36:47 <clokep> Sertion: It's possible it's from XBL, which ones in particular are red?
19:37:43 <Sertion> clokep: All children of tabconversation in the chat-window
19:37:59 <clokep> That's probably all xbl, if I remember.
19:37:59 <Sertion> tabconversation-element(/object)
19:38:34 <Sertion> So, the DOM inspector can't modify dynamic content?
19:39:13 <clokep> Nothing can modify XBL attributes.
19:40:07 <Sertion> Ok. So to make changes to those I need to edit a file and restart IB?
19:40:24 <Sertion> To assign CSS-classes or w/e
19:40:38 <clokep> Yup.
19:40:58 <Sertion> What a hassle, but noting I can't get used to :)
19:41:20 <Mathnerd314> well, I think you can assign CSS classes using the CSS view
19:41:40 <Sertion> Mathnerd314: The right panel? Tried :(
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19:52:07 <Mic2> hi
19:52:17 <Sertion> Hay Mic2
19:52:38 <clokep> Hey Mic2.
19:52:49 <Mic2> Just follow the coding style of the file as it is
19:53:06 <Mic2> in the beginning you might receive many coding style nits from flo, but that gets better quite fast ;)
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19:53:16 <Mic2> -,
19:53:31 <Sertion> Mic2: related to what I asked earlier?
19:53:57 <Mic2> yes
19:54:10 <Mic2> I read the log (we have some at http://log.bezut.info )
19:54:16 <Sertion> So far I've only created files, but I'll keep that in mind
19:54:39 <Mic2> hmm, this is not really verbose : https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Coding_Guidelines :D
19:55:08 <Sertion> Yeah, I read that yesterday 
19:55:55 <Mic2> If I recall correctly then red items of the DOM tree  (in DOMi ofcourse) were automatically inserted?
19:56:52 <Sertion> Mic2: It would make sense, since it was the (dynamic) tabs of the chat window
19:57:32 <Mic2> I can't check right now. Give me a moment to google for it instead
19:58:10 <Sertion> Mathnerd314: linked to MDC above
19:58:16 <Sertion> Mathnerd314: sorry
19:58:25 <Sertion> Mic2: Mathnerd314 linked to MDC above
19:58:29 <Mic2> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM_Inspector_FAQ#Why_do_some_nodes_in_the_Document_DOM_Node_View_appear_in_red.3f
20:00:08 <Mic2> I've got to go again, have a nice day
20:00:19 <Sertion> Mic2: Thanks, you to!
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20:02:17 <Sertion> clokep: Do I have to reinsert the files I edit into the omni.jar-file for the changes to take place?
20:02:25 <clokep> Yes.
20:02:39 <Sertion> That explains a lot
20:11:14 <clokep> Sertion: You can also unpack the jar and combine two files and then you don't have to worry about zipping stuff.
20:12:21 <Sertion> Right now I simply open the jar-file in 7z and drop my modified file on top of the old file in the zip and 7z does it's magic, but thanks for the advice :)
20:13:31 <clokep> Right, It's just esaier not to have to rezip. I've also gotten the zip locked on me when I forget to close things. :)
20:13:54 <Sertion> ^^
20:14:56 <clokep> Also soometimes my files will get lost when I don't copy them out of the zip and just try to open them directly there...that's annoying.
20:15:25 <Sertion> That I can understand :\
20:15:31 <Sertion> Loosing your work is never fun
20:15:50 <Sertion> Onto more serious questions again
20:15:59 <Sertion> I've done something that I want to submit
20:16:33 <Sertion> there is no bug for it, but if I didn't have the skillz my self I would have submitted one
20:17:01 <Sertion> It's a brand new file. What do I do? :\
20:18:14 <clokep> First, file the bug about it.
20:18:58 <clokep> (I can help you file the bug too if you have questions.)
20:19:29 <Sertion> Thanks, but bugs I'm used to :)
20:20:00 <clokep> OK. :)
20:21:45 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 710 filed by albin.jacobsson@gmail.com.
20:21:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Dark variant of the Simple skin
20:22:34 <Sertion> Bug filed
20:22:46 <clokep> Yes, I see. :)
20:23:23 <clokep> Well you could add it as a theme extension. ;) But including one by default probably makes sense...
20:23:30 <clokep> OK, so you have instantbird checked out in Mercurial right?
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20:24:17 <Sertion> On one of my virtuals, yes, but not on my win7 install
20:24:56 <clokep> OK, well you need to find where to add the skin file, and there's a bunch of packaging changes that would need to be added, but I don't really know those, you'd have to look through.
20:26:40 <Sertion> clokep: So the path it's at right now ("instantbird\chrome\instantbird\skin\classic\instantbird\messages\simple\Variants") isn't the one you're talking about?
20:27:10 <clokep> Uhh...I think the skin files are stored some place else and put on that path during the build process. One second.
20:27:40 <clokep> Wait...
20:27:49 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/messages/simple/
20:29:02 <Sertion> clokep: Thanks for all you're doing, it's nice to have someone as helpful as you guiding beginners like me :)
20:29:23 <clokep> You're welcome, it was done for me not that long ago. :)
20:29:30 <clokep> You're lucky I don't work on weekends. ;)
20:29:36 <Sertion> ^^
20:30:42 <clokep> So, yes you'd add it there, and you probably don't need to change any build files then.
20:31:21 * Sertion is currently installing TortoiseHg
20:31:44 <clokep> Sertion: I lied, you'll also need to add a line to this file: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/jar.mn
20:32:51 <Sertion> clokep: Oh, I will
20:37:50 <Sertion> clokep: Ok, now I have edited the file and 'added' the file.
20:38:12 <clokep> So...to actually make the diff I usually do it on the command line.
20:39:55 <Sertion> clokep: Using what tool?
20:40:07 <clokep> Mercurial.
20:40:13 <clokep> It's isntalled since you have TortoiseHg.
20:40:21 <clokep> You can brwose to it in the command prompt.
20:40:21 <Sertion> Ok
20:40:33 <clokep> And the command is "hg diff --git"
20:40:44 <clokep> And I usuaully use "hg diff --git > someFile.diff"
20:41:44 <Sertion> And it understands what to diff and I don't need to have an "old" version of the repo to compare to?
20:42:25 <clokep> It understands automatically.
20:42:38 <Sertion> Oh, nice
20:43:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 711 filed by sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk.
20:43:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Restore conversation by default if logging is enabled when restarting Instantbird
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20:47:00 <instantbot> albin.jacobsson@gmail.com added attachment 525 to bug 710.
20:47:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Dark variant of the Simple skin
20:47:03 <Sertion> clokep: I hope I did it right now
20:47:37 <clokep> I'll check.
20:47:45 <clokep> Give me one second. :)
20:50:38 <Sertion> clokep: No pressure :)
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20:51:34 <clokep> Sertion: OK, one last thing to do...we need to request a review on it.
20:51:40 <clokep> I need to remember who reviews themes.
20:51:55 <clokep> I think it's idechix...
20:52:39 <Sertion> Ok, I'm patient and I already have the change ;)
20:57:32 <clokep> It's possible flo (the main dev) will have an opinion on it too, but he's away for a couple of weeks, but idechix usually handles theme stuff.
20:59:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 711 to DUPLICATE of bug 307.
20:59:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Restore conversation by default if logging is enabled when restarting Instantbird
20:59:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Restoring session after restart
20:59:55 <Sertion> Ok, I can't do more than I can :)
21:00:18 <clokep> Sertion: To set the review flag, click on the details.
21:01:33 <Sertion> clokep: Oh, I see it now
21:01:41 <Sertion> And add the mail you sent there?
21:01:59 <clokep> Yes. :)
21:02:11 <Sertion> Done. Thanks :)
21:02:15 <instantbot> albin.jacobsson@gmail.com requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 525 on bug 710.
21:02:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Dark variant of the Simple skin
21:07:41 <Sertion> Do the main devs idle this channel often?
21:08:16 <clokep> flo Is usually always here while he's awake -- he's on vacation right now though.
21:08:34 <clokep> They're all from France also, so the hours are a bit weird depending whree you are.
21:08:48 <Sertion> Im UTC+1 as well :)
21:09:06 <clokep> Oh, OK. :) So that won't be an issue.
21:09:13 <Sertion> Or is it UCT, I can never remember :\
21:09:17 <clokep> Then yes, they're usually idling here.
21:09:26 <Sertion> Ok, great :)
21:10:11 <clokep> But usually someone is here that knows something. ;)
21:10:41 <Sertion> That is great, and I appreciate that :)
21:14:10 <clokep> What kind of stuff are you interested in working on? Just curious.
21:15:45 <Sertion> I started looking into this cuss I thought IB needed a darker "simple" skin, and then I figured that I'm sort of bored with my current free time project so I thought "Why not" :)
21:15:54 <Sertion> But mainly UI things
21:16:15 <Sertion> I don't know what Javascript is used for in apps like this, but i see traces of it from time to time
21:16:16 <clokep> Got it. :) A lot of UI things to do!
21:16:28 <clokep> Pretty much all the UI stuff is done in JS.
21:16:43 <Sertion> Then it probably will work out fine :)
21:18:10 <Sertion> clokep: What do you do? :)
21:18:32 <Sertion> Other then being extremely helpful ^^
21:18:38 <clokep> Sertion: I've done mostly random things, but I've been working on the backend to make protocols in JavaScript.
21:19:21 <Sertion> That talk to the pidgin-lib or to replace it? or something completely different? 
21:20:09 <clokep> How much do youw ant to read? ;) http://clokep.blogspot.com/2010/12/why-rewrite-irc-into-javascript.html
21:20:29 <clokep> It would replace it though.
21:20:36 <clokep> We have Twitter in the recent nightly builds?
21:20:44 <clokep> It uses that backend to interface inot the UI/core.
21:21:03 <Sertion> Ok, nice :o
21:24:10 <clokep> Yeah, I've also just done other random bugs and stuff, and I have a few extensions floating around.
21:24:53 <Sertion> Nice ^^
21:25:26 <Sertion> Then you most likely know more JS than me :P
21:26:04 <Sertion> I mostly do small hacks in form of Greasemonkey scripts
21:26:07 <clokep> Possibly. I probably know more of the Mozilla specific stuff. ;)
21:26:09 <clokep> Ah OK.
21:26:25 <clokep> You'll learn fast. :)
21:27:54 <Sertion> I'm sure I will :)
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21:42:49 <Sertion> clokep: Interesting 'article' and great job so far! :)
21:43:06 <clokep> Thanks, that's a bit old, it's working better now. :)
21:44:21 <Sertion> Nice :)
21:45:02 <Sertion> so basically the plan is to build jabber, ICQ, MSN and so on libs in javascript?
21:45:35 <clokep> Idk if that's the plan.
21:47:12 <clokep> But I think IRC and XMPP will be eventaully probably.
21:47:29 <Sertion> Ok :)
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21:53:51 <clokep> Now if only I could get commands to work, I could release a beta. :)
21:54:30 <Sertion> clokep: A command as in /me or the PRIVMSG things in the IRCspec?
21:54:40 <clokep> As in /me.
21:55:47 <Sertion> ok :)
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22:36:36 <clokep> Seems to be working still, that's good. :)
22:37:18 <Sertion> clokep: you already done with the commands? :o
22:37:45 <clokep> Sertion: No, I can't get them working. I'm going to release a beta like this though. I'm not really sure how stable it is though.
22:38:27 <clokep> When I call the command I need to be able to get back to my account object, but can't seem to find a way to do that. :-/
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22:46:58 <Sertion> clokep: I could have a look, but the code in the repo is quite old and I'm not sure that I would be of much help :\
22:47:13 <clokep> The code in the repo is old?
22:47:25 <Sertion> 14th feb it says
22:47:38 <Sertion> I checked a few minutes ago
22:48:17 <Sertion> Now it's not that old :P
22:48:18 <clokep> I updated it yesterday (and just now)
22:48:19 <clokep> http://hg.instantbird.org/experiments/
22:48:31 <Sertion> Weird
22:49:08 <clokep> Oh apparently i just uploaded two.
22:49:12 <clokep> So it was like 5 days old.
22:49:15 <clokep> But that's not that old. ;)
22:49:24 <Sertion> ok :)
22:52:23 <clokep> I mean if you want to look feel free, but I think it's an issue with the API. :-/
22:53:12 <Sertion> I can't even find were you are using the Protocol.commands array :P
22:53:14 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 526 to bug 507.
22:53:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement IRC in JavaScript
22:57:45 <Sertion> Oh. I feel stupid :P
22:58:23 <clokep> Find it?
22:58:38 <Sertion> No, but i figured it's used by another file :P
22:58:56 <clokep> jsProtoHelper in modules subdirectory.
23:02:51 <clokep> It refers to a lot of the XPCOM interfaces though so it might be kind of hard to read without knowing any of them?
23:02:59 <clokep> Either that or I write a lot better code than I thought. ;)
23:03:23 <Sertion> I've already learnt a lot actually :P
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23:03:57 <flo> Good evening :)
23:04:02 <Sertion> Like "let" and "get" and that there are people who actually use "const" :P
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23:04:24 <Sertion> flo: Good evening to you to
23:04:25 <clokep> Hey flo!
23:04:38 <DGMurdockIII> hi
23:04:43 <clokep> Hope there's snow on the mountain.
23:04:51 <flo> the 3G connection works better than at home :)
23:05:32 <DGMurdockIII> where you at that it works better than where u live
23:05:34 <flo> clokep: not much. It rained today.
23:05:48 <clokep> Oh, boo. :( that's the worst.
23:07:06 <clokep> Posted a beta of my IRC stuff. ;) Still can't get commands to work though.
23:07:56 <flo> I'm hacking some stuff too ;)
23:08:11 <clokep> Nice. :) I started playing with adding buddies to the buddy list from an accoun ttoo.
23:08:39 <flo> ah?
23:08:44 <flo> that's what I was doing :-S
23:08:50 <clokep> Haha.
23:08:56 <clokep> I didn't get very far, so feel free to work on it. :)
23:09:11 <flo> I hacked around jsProtoHelper, and I'm testing it (and it doesn't work, ahah)
23:09:14 <clokep> And by "I didn't get very far" I mean "I got a lot of exceptions to show up"
23:09:50 <clokep> Is the addBuddy method the correct one to use? ;)
23:10:27 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/567 here is what I have
23:11:00 <flo> just before I start adding dump calls everywhere to understand ;)
23:11:21 <clokep> Should contacts be added to imServices?
23:11:27 <clokep> Not that it matters right now for this patch. :)
23:11:48 <flo> I think I added it as part of the merge contact patch
23:12:00 <clokep> Hmmm...OK.
23:12:15 <flo> but we can cleanup jsProtoHelper and use imServices in it too :)
23:12:28 <clokep> Yes, and add Cc/Cu/Ci probably.
23:12:48 <flo> if we want to commit an uninteresting patch there, I have two coding style nits in your register command code :)
23:13:13 <clokep> I'm not sure my register command code really works flo. :-\
23:13:20 <clokep> I mean it lets you register a command...
23:13:31 <clokep> But the problem I have is that I want to get back to my JS account object?
23:13:44 <clokep> Because I need my socket object to send anything.
23:14:03 <clokep> (So by "my" I really mean "the".)
23:14:17 <flo> you have the conversation object, don't you?
23:14:27 <clokep> But it's the XPCOM conversation object.
23:14:35 <flo> so you can get the (xpcom wrapped) account
23:14:38 <clokep> So I can do conv.account.
23:14:45 <clokep> Oh, do I just need to unwrap it?
23:14:50 <clokep> (How do I do that? :-D)
23:15:24 <flo> then you can either use wrappedJSNative (that's ugly), or keep all your accounts in an object by the account name or id, and just get the original js object
23:15:56 <flo> I think we will need that at some point in jsProtoHelper to implement the accountExists method correctly anyway
23:16:23 <clokep> You mean have an object in my utils code that is just a list of the accounts and a method to search them pretty much?
23:17:32 <flo> hmm... yeah. Not sure you need a method for that
23:17:33 <clokep> I suppose I could do that.
23:18:23 <flo> if you have var AccountsById (which contains { account1: account object, account2: account object, ... }, you can get the unwrapped version like this: let account = AccountsById[aAccount.id];
23:18:46 <clokep> Right.
23:18:54 <clokep> Thanks. :)
23:19:40 <flo> that's what I used in imContacts.js. I haven't decided yet if using wrappedJSObject everywhere is acceptable or not.
23:23:13 <flo> ok, adding buddy works.
23:24:09 <clokep> :)
23:25:06 <clokep> Is it wrappedJSObject or wrappedJSNative?
23:25:39 <flo> not sure if I should try to separate that into a "fix normalization" and a "fix adding a buddy" commit, or just commit both at once
23:25:57 <flo> wrappedJSObject I think. But Google knows better than I do :)
23:26:47 <clokep> I got an error that aConv.wrappedJSObject doesn't exist.
23:27:53 <flo> you need to add it in your object for it to be allowed
23:28:08 <flo> just add |get wrappedJSObject() this,|
23:28:10 <clokep> Ah, OK. :)
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23:29:58 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/568 that patch works
23:30:39 <clokep> That seems reasonable to me.
23:32:33 <flo> I'm wondering how the protocol code is going to get the information that a new buddy is here, or even how it handles the loaded list.
23:32:57 <flo> it would be nicer if the buddy could be displayed as online in my list sometimes :)
23:33:38 <clokep> Well the protocol would know a new buddy is here via it's own code, no?
23:34:18 <flo> shouldn't the protocol replace the default "AccountBuddy" implementation?
23:35:08 <clokep> Hmmm...possibly.
23:35:27 <clokep> I haven't dealt with the AccountBuddy implementation at all, just the ConvChatBuddy.
23:35:33 <flo> or it needs to override both the loadBuddy and addBuddy methods
23:39:49 <clokep> This is the diff I need to get access to my account object, does it seem reasonable flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/569
23:40:03 <clokep> (With only half the amount of line breaks idk what's w/ that.)
23:41:46 <flo> one of the tool converted \r to \n, most likely ;)
23:42:09 <clokep> Yeah, probably.
23:42:38 <flo> if you really need this object to be shared by all files which are likely to import ircUtils.jsm, then yes it seems OK
23:44:36 <flo> clokep: does you beta JS-IRC handle sending the password to nickserv yet?
23:44:39 <flo> *your
23:44:56 <clokep> I'm not sure how else I could share it? Could I just put a global in that file actually...?
23:45:08 <clokep> Uhh.... flo: I don't think so now that I think o fit.
23:45:36 <clokep> flo: It does not, it only sends it to the server as a log in.
23:45:41 <clokep> (PASS command)
23:45:43 <flo> I'm more likely to miss that than commands (except if we have a troll here :))
23:46:13 <flo> I'm not sure how libpurple handles that by the way
23:46:56 <flo> or is the mozilla irc server forwarding the PASS command to nickserv?
23:47:10 <clokep> I don't think so.
23:47:15 <clokep> I've never tried doing it.
23:47:28 <clokep> flo: I'll add that tonight, it should be pretty easy...
23:48:20 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=NickServ the string doesn't seem hardcoded in libpurple
23:48:28 <flo> so I really don't know how it does it
23:49:15 <flo> I guess we could check with wireshark :-D
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23:49:20 <clokep> Hmm...I don't know either.
23:49:25 <clokep> Yes, I'll do that at some point. :)
23:50:57 * flo hesitates between pushing that patch right now, or waiting to have an implementation in JS Test to show some buddies online
23:51:55 <flo> r= you?
23:52:45 <clokep> flo: That's fine.
23:58:38 * clokep has the nick command working.