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11:38:13 <Mic> Hi
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11:52:55 <flo> Hello :)
12:00:40 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 697 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
12:00:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Commands no longer work in protocol overrides
12:09:34 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 521 on bug 690.
12:09:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, jsProtoHelper could help registering commands
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13:24:04 <clokep_work> Good day.
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13:43:12 <Mic> Ah, 'good day' is also for greetings? I used to think it was only used for farewells.. (the literal translation to german is used for both too)
13:44:20 <clokep_work> It could be used either way.
13:44:28 <clokep_work> More commonly for farewells.
13:45:02 <clokep_work> flo: If you reply to either of those bugs, just et me know. don't have that email up right now. :)
13:45:32 <flo> except if I missed something, I guess we agree on both
13:45:52 <clokep_work> Alright. You like the second option better for the over ride protocols?
13:46:05 <flo> the first one doesn't really work so...
13:48:10 <clokep_work> OK. :)
13:48:40 <clokep_work> So Mic your text-to-speech plug-in is working?
13:48:48 <Mic> Yes
13:48:55 <Mic> I need to add some pieces though
13:49:44 <Mic> It's converting the content to plain text, filters out characters breaking speech output and seems to work fine so far (has even an option dialog to set the voice, custom speed, volume, .. )
13:50:10 <Mic> Although I want to add filters before making it public
13:50:23 <clokep_work> Filters...to remove certain words or?
13:50:34 <Mic> So you can let it say only certain things or ignore messages containing others
13:50:39 <clokep_work> Does it still attempt to pronounce people's names? ;)
13:50:46 <Mic> e.g. ignore messages from instantbot
13:50:59 <Mic> Yes, how should it know what's a name and what not..
13:52:40 <clokep_work> Well I meant from the user's, like 'clokep said "blah blah"'
13:53:03 <clokep_work> That's neat though. :)
13:53:34 <Mic> Yes, that's how it does it.
13:53:50 <Mic> I let it add "clokep said:" before everything, so you know who's sending the message
13:54:10 <Mic> read that as '<username> said:" btw ;)
13:54:35 <clokep_work> :) Right. I'd imagine some usernames it doesn't like though haha.
13:55:48 <Mic> I guess you better get used to be "clo-kepp" :P
13:58:35 * clokep_work is going to mass register IRC commands today.
13:58:46 <flo> by the way, I tried Windows 7 yesterday evening to see what you all were meaning with the dock and previews ;)
14:00:24 <clokep_work> Had you not used it before? ;)
14:00:45 <flo> I don't see why I would use it, even after ;).
14:00:56 <clokep_work> The previews...I could see it being useful...but I'm not sure how you'd be able to tell the difference betwen conversations.
14:01:02 <clokep_work> (I meant Win 7 in general. :-D)
14:01:09 <flo> the buddy icon?
14:01:25 <flo> (right, I don't see why I would use windows :-P)
14:03:11 <clokep_work> Ah, yes I guess the buddy icon would be good (maybe even made large as an icon?)
14:03:24 <clokep_work> But I wouldn't use it, I Just use mine was windows.
14:03:35 <clokep_work> (I.e. each preview is a window.)
14:03:48 <clokep_work> I'm not sure how jump lists are useful either. :-\ I guess as "often talked to buddies".
14:08:48 <Mic> Maybe put the most common actions there and ditch the buddy list?
14:09:09 <Mic> Might be drastic, though ;)
14:09:40 <Mic> (is drastic a word, actually?)
14:09:47 <Mic> radical?
14:12:17 <clokep_work> Drastic == radical
14:13:22 <Mic> I guess this returns true then .. :P
14:21:19 <clokep_work> Yes, they're not really the same, but you could use either in this case.
14:21:25 <clokep_work> Drastic is something extreme.
14:21:48 <clokep_work> As is radical, but radical has kind of a bad or crazy connotation to it.
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14:39:12 <clokep_work> So now that I can register commands...I can hopefully release a preview of js-IRC that you install as an extension.
14:39:14 <clokep_work> And start using.
14:39:21 <clokep_work> And hopefully everything "just works".
14:43:33 <clokep_work> I guess I'll attach that to the bug / make a blgo post.
14:44:51 <clokep_work> (With a big warning, "crashes beware and it throws a ton of junk in your error console". :))
14:45:17 <flo> is it usable?
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14:45:25 <flo> what are the things that we are used to have that don't work yet?
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14:46:16 <clokep_work> It should be usable once I do commands.
14:46:39 <clokep_work> (So you can like...join rooms without knowing raw IRC protocol stuff.)
14:46:51 <clokep_work> What things don't work yet? Hmmm...
14:46:53 <flo> isn't the join chat dialog already usable?
14:46:55 <Mic> clokep: what about adding a pref that allows to turn off the junk on the error console?
14:47:20 <clokep_work> Mic: That would probably be a good idea, a debug pref? :) I'll do that tonight.
14:47:29 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, as is auto-join.
14:47:32 <flo> what about some generic way to do it in jsProtoHelper?
14:48:07 <clokep_work> Should we export the LOG command and make it more "intense"?
14:48:12 <flo> so that all js protocol plugins can call LOG with some debug junk, and preferences to select which junk should appear (all, none, only important messages, only one protocol, ...)
14:48:16 <clokep_work> (I.e. add levels to it and such?)
14:48:32 <Mic> `Should it be limited to protocols only?
14:48:32 <clokep_work> Exactly what I was thinking, except you made more sense while saying it. :)
14:48:59 <flo> If someone wants to morph bug 681 (0.3 blocker ;)) into that and take it... go ahead ;)
14:49:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reduce the amount of data the twitter plugin logs into the Error Console
14:50:00 <flo> hmm, I'm not sure how one can do that "magically" without using the preprocessor to insert the protocol name into each LOG call :-S
14:51:06 <clokep_work> Add a log function to the protocol so you do this.protocol.log()?
14:51:39 <flo> that's even longer than LOG("IRC", blahblah)
14:52:36 <flo> I'm sure we will find some magic for it :)
14:54:31 <clokep_work> Almost covers bug 575 too. ;)
14:54:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve Error Console for Protocol/Account Errors
14:54:48 <flo> hmm, maybe just put the LOG function of jsProtoHelper into an Utils exported object, and then at the top of each protocol plugin code: const LOG = Utils.LOG.bind(null, "IRC");
14:55:53 <flo> I'm not sure what that bug is about exactly. Is it fixing the Error console UI with an overlay to add a way to filter by protocol? Is it heavily hacking libpurple to report errors per account instead of per protocol?
14:56:49 <clokep_work> flo: The export and bind sounds like the easist way to do it.
14:58:38 <clokep_work> flo: That bug is about just cleaning up the errors/messages given by libpurple, i.e. reporting firewall issues in the UI and stuff instead o just dumping everything to the error console.
14:59:05 <clokep_work> Bug 430 is about filtering by protocol/account.
14:59:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Error Console: filter by account/protocol
15:00:36 <flo> if that's about cleaning up the error messages given in the account manager, then the sumary could be much more descriptive ;)
15:02:20 <clokep_work> Well, it was more about changing the UI in general, like unhandled bits of protocols and stuff.
15:02:37 <clokep_work> It was kind of a vague bug.
15:02:57 <clokep_work> 430 is probably a better way to go, I'll just dup it into that.
15:03:38 <flo> having all the protocols use the same message for the "no internet connection" case would still be a good idea ;)
15:05:15 <clokep_work> You mean the "connection/firewall" issue?
15:05:47 <flo> using a proxy that doesn't accept connections may be a different issue than "no network currently connected"
15:06:35 <flo> but I mostly mean that currently the error string given by libpurple when an account can't connect is (from a user point of view) a random piece of nonsense (and I probably haven't made better in twitter :-/)
15:08:40 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 575 to DUPLICATE of bug 430.
15:08:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Improve Error Console for Protocol/Account Errors
15:08:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Error Console: filter by account/protocol
15:11:57 <clokep_work> Bah I mid-aired myself. :(
15:47:43 <Mic> flo: you said you're working on drag and drop on the buddy list
15:48:01 <Mic> Does that mean I should wait with sorting the list until you're done with it?
15:48:27 <flo> probably not
15:48:44 <flo> but I expect to be done in a few minutes (for the purely XUL part of the code)
15:49:38 <Mic> That's the representation of a contact then but no drag & drop yet..?
15:50:01 <flo> just the drag en drop, with enough data that I can call the mergeContact method
15:50:06 <flo> *and
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16:27:18 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 698 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
16:27:20 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 522 to bug 698.
16:27:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide a way to merge contacts
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16:40:06 <clokep_work> Mook will be excited once that works. :)
16:40:22 <flo> ah?
16:41:29 <flo> I'm not sure what "works" means for it, as there are various details that may be difficult to get right: what about "undo"? accessibility?
16:45:30 <clokep_work> Psh, undo...just don't mess it up. ;)
16:46:06 <flo> we will still need some kind of visual feedback
16:46:12 <flo> a way to know which buddies are in a contact
16:47:27 <clokep_work> Can we have it so you can "open" a contact and show it's buddies? (almost like the groups do right now)
16:49:04 <clokep_work> (I mean I know we can, but does that make sense?)
16:52:33 <flo> I think it's something we will do
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16:54:49 <clokep_work> Should that be platform: all; os: all?
16:55:46 <flo> sure
16:56:00 <flo> I'm late already :-/
16:56:07 <flo> Good evening (or maybe back later)
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16:56:38 <clokep_work> Ah, well figured I'd do it while CCing myself. :)
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