#instantbird log on 02 09 2011

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08:00:05 <igorko> hi
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08:27:27 <igorko> anybody here?
08:28:42 <auscompgeek> Nope.
08:28:56 <igorko> i see;)
08:29:28 <igorko> np- i have time...
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13:11:53 <flo> Hello :)
13:12:38 <tymerkaev> hi
13:14:45 <igorko> oh
13:14:53 <igorko> hi
13:15:12 <igorko> about buddy list sorting
13:15:18 <igorko> is it on TODO list?
13:15:35 <igorko> for example for IRC
13:16:00 <igorko> sorting by status
13:19:31 <flo> are you talking about the buddy list or the participants (nick) list in chat rooms?
13:21:43 <igorko> yep
13:22:00 <igorko> participants (nick) list
13:26:27 <flo> there's a bug in bugzilla about that
13:28:12 <igorko> ok
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14:26:57 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 688 filed by jahkae@gmail.com.
14:26:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Scrolling with mouse wheel magnifies conversation.
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14:43:27 <tymerkaev> instantbot tell tymerkaev something
14:43:30 <instantbot> tymerkaev: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tell tymerkaev something' might be.
14:43:50 <tymerkaev> instantbot tell #instantbird something
14:43:53 <instantbot> tymerkaev: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tell #instantbird something' might be.
14:44:00 <tymerkaev> mm
15:04:15 <flo> Is there a clear webpage somewhere explaining how to turn off hardware acceleration?
15:05:02 <tymerkaev> I think no
15:05:50 <tymerkaev> maybe a lot of forums told that, but I didn't see clear webpage
15:07:20 <tymerkaev> flo: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=1775755
15:08:18 <flo> that's obsolete :(
15:08:38 <flo> I guess we won't see any good documentation now that Firefox has a checkbox in its preference dialog
15:08:49 <deOmega> flo: Have you considered the suggestion in here over the past week to turn it off by default?
15:09:00 <flo> that may be a good idea
15:09:21 <flo> Even though I think at some point on Windows there were issues that existed only when it was turned off :)
15:09:43 <tymerkaev> flo: maybe we should add a checkbox into preferences and disable its preference by default in Instantbird?
15:09:56 <flo> maybe
15:10:03 <flo> but I don't want to rebuild 0.3a1 for that :)
15:10:26 <flo> (I'm currently writing the release notes, that's why I was interested in documentation... I don't need help to turn it off for me ;))
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15:19:49 <deOmega> Anyone else experiencing the  mouse-wheel scroll issue with the latest?  bug 688?
15:19:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Scrolling with mouse wheel magnifies conversation.
15:21:14 <flo> is this good enough: http://instantbird.com/download-0.3a1.html ?
15:21:40 <flo> deOmega: I've no mouse (using only the touchpad on my laptop) so I'm afraid I cannot help :-/
15:24:46 <deOmega> thank you
15:25:12 <deOmega> Your  work looks fine except for this line.. extra bracket?  (for that, set layers.acceleration.disabled (and gfx.direct2d.disabled on Windows)
15:25:58 <flo> I'm not sure how to phrase it so that it makes sense without being 3 sentences
15:26:14 <flo> gfx.direct2d.disabled exists only on Windows
15:26:27 <deOmega> no, the  bracket in the middle
15:26:41 <deOmega> looks like an error
15:27:03 <flo> hmm, maybe just . after "acceleration", and "For that"?
15:27:10 <deOmega> this... disabled (and gfx
15:27:54 <flo> would this look better?  If you encounter surprising graphic errors, you can try disabling hardware graphic acceleration. For that, set layers.acceleration.disabled (and gfx.direct2d.disabled on Windows) to true using the advanced configuration editor.
15:29:31 <tymerkaev> YES
15:31:08 <deOmega> If you encounter surprising graphic errors, you can try disabling hardware graphic acceleration. For that, set layers.acceleration.disabled AND gfx.direct2d.(disabled on Windows) to true using the advanced configuration editor.
15:31:47 <flo> uh.
15:32:28 <flo> to disable the acceleration, you should set layers.acceleration.disabled to true on all OSes. In addition of that, on Windows, you need to set gfx.direct2d.disabled to true too.
15:32:45 <deOmega> Ohhhhhhhhhhh
15:33:50 <deOmega> so one is related to all os's and  the other just windows.   I  wrote you my interpretation of what was written.  Thanks for clarifying.  Ignore my suggestion
15:34:43 <flo> I'm not sure my text was all that clear ;)
15:35:24 <deOmega> This is what happens when a chef asks the plumber what  temperature to cook the meal at.
15:36:08 <flo> except that blahblah is not for me (I know all that already) but for people who don't know it yet ;)
15:36:58 <deOmega> exactly.  Heck, i use the program and initially, i thought you were saying it is all related to windows
15:37:36 <flo> things about OS differences tend to be complete nonsense for people who use only one OS :(
15:38:22 <deOmega> makes sense
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16:02:35 <deOmega> flo: nice
16:04:04 <deOmega> You look very familiar :)
16:09:58 <flo> have we already met somewhere without talking?
16:10:38 <deOmega> Not that I  can say
16:44:30 <flo> only thing left to release 0.3a1 is the blog post
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19:07:56 <deOmega> I think I am gonna try to  file bugs if the problems has been existing for more than one day :)
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19:13:56 <deOmega> supposed bug 688 has   resolved itself. :)
19:14:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Scrolling with mouse wheel magnifies conversation.
19:15:00 <deOmega> i actually even restarted my computer when i was having the problem and it was not resolved.   But after restarting it a number of times here, it is gone.
19:18:15 <clokep_work> Bugs like that are fun. :)
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19:20:25 <deOmega> if you mistype something  in teh text entry area.. it underlines it, right?
19:20:44 <clokep_work> Spelling errors get squigglies, yes.
19:21:09 <deOmega> ok, and if you  rightclick on that word.. do you not get suggestions for the  word?
19:21:15 <deOmega> I used to get those i thought
19:21:49 <clokep_work> If there are any, yes you do.
19:22:45 <deOmega> right,  all my menu has now is the usual cut copy etc.. and a checkmark by 'check spelling'.  nothing else
19:23:19 <deOmega> been that way a while now.. but  was wondering if  itw as my imagination that  i used to get  replacement options
19:23:25 <deOmega> or suggestions
19:23:54 <clokep_work> It should have them, I think it WFM. have to check later.
19:27:25 <deOmega> thank you.. this is what it  looks like  fyi
19:27:29 <deOmega> http://i55.tinypic.com/oiaxc2.jpg
19:27:57 <clokep_work> That didn't load for me. :(
19:28:05 <clokep_work> Are there errors in the console?
19:28:52 <deOmega> always lol
19:29:15 <clokep_work> Ones that sound like they're related.
19:29:26 <deOmega> ah,  yeah
19:29:41 <deOmega> uncaught exception
19:30:04 <deOmega> yeah those come up when i  try to rightclick
19:30:17 <deOmega> when irightclick to  pull up the menu
19:30:43 <deOmega> let me see if i can put it  in pastebin
19:32:44 <deOmega> http://pastebin.com/vqHSgY8r
19:34:51 <clokep_work> Could file a bug? Or could be a toolkit issue.
19:35:07 <clokep_work> (Or maybe check bmo first?)
19:35:19 <deOmega> bmo?
19:35:30 <clokep_work> bugzilla.mozilla.org
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19:35:43 <deOmega> ok
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19:54:57 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 689 filed by jahkae@gmail.com.
19:54:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Spellcheck suggestions not visible in context menu
20:03:42 <clokep_work> I'll check that when I get home. :)
20:03:44 <clokep_work> In a few hours.
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20:48:55 <flo> good evening :)
20:49:17 <clokep_work> Good afternoon. :)
20:50:24 <flo> I started working on js commands this morning
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20:51:32 <clokep_work> Awesome. :)
20:52:04 <flo> this is what I currently have in the idl file: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/558
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20:57:37 <flo> I can't reproduce deOmega's spellchecker bug right now, but I'm almost sure I've seen it Monday when I spellchecked my slides :-S
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20:59:51 <flo> ahah, I have the steps to reproduce! :)
20:59:59 <flo> 1. Check that the spell checker works.
21:00:12 <flo> 2. Paste a huge amount of text in the textbox.
21:00:33 <flo> The spellchecker still works, but opening the context menu throws the error deOmega pasted in the bug.
21:00:34 <clokep_work> I think that the implementaion looks OK, but only gave it a quick look.
21:00:54 <flo> removing the huge text doesn't fix the spellchecker, you need to close the window and reopen it for it to work again
21:01:54 <deOmega> hmmm
21:03:19 <deOmega> so do you get more than I get on  our context menu?
21:03:48 <flo> when the conversation is new, I have suggestions.
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21:04:01 <deOmega> hmm
21:04:11 <flo> As soon as I've had a big text in the textbox once, I no longer get any suggestion for misspelled words in that conversation
21:04:53 <deOmega> ah, i just started anew conversation with someone and  yes, teh   suggestions are there
21:16:58 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/559
21:17:23 <flo> ah, I forgot to talk about twitter :(
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21:19:25 <clokep_work> flo: The last paragraph feels clunky to me. :(
21:19:59 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/560 I probably just made it a bit worse :)
21:20:04 <flo> feel free to rephrase
21:23:56 * flo looks forward to post that and go back to more interesting work on the js cmd side ^^
21:23:59 <clokep_work> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/561
21:24:30 <flo> how is the new libpurple significant? :-P
21:24:49 <flo> I'm not sure I've even read the changelog :-S
21:25:33 <clokep_work> flo: Didn't the new libpurple re-enable support for a few things (like ICQ?)
21:25:49 <flo> maybe
21:25:52 <Mic> I tried .. I think I even read .. two changesets? :P
21:25:55 <flo> we currently can't add MSN contacts
21:27:09 <clokep_work> Maybe the libpurple stuff isn't important then, but you were talking about backend stuff anyway.
21:27:25 <flo> about backend significant changes :)
21:27:47 <flo> I think most of the libpurple changes are at the protocol level, not in the core
21:28:02 <flo> I don't remember which version was in 0.2 though
21:28:47 <clokep_work> 2.6.1 or something.
21:28:53 <clokep_work> We updated to 2.6.6
21:28:55 <clokep_work> Then to 2.7.9
21:28:56 <clokep_work> I think?
21:29:09 <flo> the last update was 2.7.3 -> 2.7.9
21:29:47 <flo> I remember the update to 2.6.* was more than a year ago
21:30:25 <flo> from the release notes "# Updated: Instantbird 0.2 is based on libpurple 2.6.6 and Mozilla"
21:31:03 <Mic> It's libpurple 2.6.6 in 0.2
21:31:09 <flo> it's possible there were things in the 2.6.6 -> 2.7.3 update that were significant and I don't remember about :)
21:31:19 <Mic> hmm, I should read all messages before posting :S
21:31:34 <flo> Mic: thanks for confirming ;)
21:32:46 <Mic> Ah, sure, I .. only wanted to confirm that it's indeed what you said :P
21:32:52 <clokep_work> flo: Yes I think that had more important stuff than this last one.
21:32:53 * clokep_work needs to go.
21:32:57 <deOmega> Have a godo evening all.  Hi Mic
21:32:57 <clokep_work> Bye.
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21:41:46 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
21:41:47 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n37-instantbird-0-3-alpha-1-released.html - Instantbird 0.3 alpha 1 released
21:43:26 <Mic> Three blog posting in not even two weeks :)
21:43:44 <flo> we need more! ;)
21:43:59 <flo> ah, I should tweet about that by the way :)
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21:48:46 <flo> I wonder how I should use both my fqueze and instantbird twitter account
21:49:14 <flo> maybe the instantbird account should retweet automatically all tweets from fqueze or clokep's account if they contain "Instantbird" :-D
21:49:53 <Mathnerd314> wouldn't @instantbird work better?
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21:50:17 <flo> Mathnerd314: or #instantbird ?
21:51:05 <Mathnerd314> IIRC either of those would work. (I don't really use twitter much)
21:55:09 <Mic> good night
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22:25:16 <clokep> Probably (#|@)instantbird, yes. :)
22:30:20 <flo> clokep: does it make sense to have instantbird RT an @ message direct at itself?
22:30:27 <flo> *directed
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22:31:19 <clokep> Oh.
22:31:20 <clokep> Uhh...
22:31:25 <clokep> Not one directed at it, but a mention maybe.
22:31:50 <clokep> So something like "I just tried @instantbird! I love it" should get Retweeted, but not "@instantbird blah blah"
22:40:18 <clokep> flo: Can js-protos do anything w/ the buddy list yet?
22:40:22 * clokep has never tried.
22:40:33 <flo> is there anything it cannot do? :)
22:40:56 <flo> the buddy list backend was completely rewritten in JS for that purpose...
22:42:24 <clokep> Ah, OK. I don't know anything about adding buddies to the buddy list yet. ;)
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22:44:41 <flo> you may find bugs, as I don't think anybody has tried yet :)
22:45:31 <flo> but those will likely be easy to fix, as the design itself should be compatible with js-protocols without problems
22:47:49 <clokep> OK. :)
22:47:53 <clokep> I'm sure I'll find some bugs. :P
22:49:28 <flo> I may find some patches ;)
22:54:15 * flo tries to add a JS command from the Error console
22:59:46 <Mathnerd314> does the name "instantbird" imply that development is instantaneous?
23:00:04 <flo> no, message delivery is supposed to be
23:00:14 <flo> but with no guarantee ;)
23:01:57 <Mathnerd314> I guess my problem is that it's so similar to thunderbird
23:03:24 <flo> ?
23:03:39 <Mathnerd314> the name instantbird
23:07:30 <flo> arg, stupid bug :(
23:17:41 <clokep> Mathnerd314: It implies that the messages are instant. :)
23:17:54 <flo> my regexp doesn't work for multiline command parameters :(
23:18:05 <flo> is "g" what I need to add?
23:18:19 <Mathnerd314> clokep: but are you ever going to be able to get email with instantbird?
23:18:59 <flo> Mathnerd314: would that make sense?
23:19:30 <Mathnerd314> flo: I'm asking you.
23:19:47 <flo> so am I :)
23:20:07 <flo> (and also waiting for that regexp documentation to load -_-)
23:20:26 <Mathnerd314> well, I can certainly visualize getting emails instead of irc messages... so it's really a matter of what the project goals are
23:20:32 * Mathnerd314 checks those
23:30:19 <flo> apparently . doesn't include the \n character in regexp. :(
23:30:37 <clokep> flo: Not it doesn't.
23:30:43 <flo> ah "(The decimal point) matches any single character except the newline characters: \n \r \u2028 or \u2029. ([\s\S] can be used to match any character including newlines.)"
23:30:44 <clokep> *No it doesn't.
23:30:51 <flo> I'm stupid, I should RTFM before complaining :)
23:31:20 <clokep> Mathnerd314: I don't think it'd make sense to get email.
23:32:12 <flo> Mathnerd314: I think emails could be acceptable, in some *very* limited cases
23:32:19 <flo> ie, when it's a conversation and email is the protocol
23:34:26 <flo> ok, my stuff works :)
23:34:47 <flo> easiest way to check it is to register a trivial dump command with this in the error console: Components.classes["@instantbird.org/purple/commands-service;1"].getService(Components.interfaces.imICommandsService).registerCommand({name: "dump", priority: 0, run: function(aMsg) {dump(aMsg + "\n"); return true; } });
23:35:33 <clokep> :)
23:35:54 <clokep> We gonna add that to IM services? ;0
23:35:57 <flo> I've finished the JS part, I'll need to work on the C/C++ part later
23:36:15 <flo> outside of the error console, it's Services.cmd. ... ;)
23:36:41 <flo> hmm, maybe I can import imServices.jsm in the console :)
23:36:57 <flo> not sure that's really shorter
23:37:44 * clokep is going to post a new patch for bug 686 soon.
23:37:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement default chat name for getChatRoomDefaultFieldValues for js-proto
23:38:13 <flo> ah, I wanted to reply about that
23:41:52 <clokep> :)
23:43:34 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 517 to bug 118.
23:43:36 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 517 on bug 118.
23:43:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118 min, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Extensions should be able to register commands.
23:43:38 <flo> waaa, it's that late :(
23:43:52 <flo> debugging takes so much time once the code is already finished :-/
23:44:09 <clokep> Mmhmm.
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23:46:59 <flo> "  readonly attribute PRUint16 flags;" is not yet handled, and I would be happy if I can make the libpurple commands fully work without it :)
23:48:17 <clokep> Not yet handled for what?
23:49:48 <flo> libpurple uses that to have different commands used for IM and Chat conversations
23:50:18 <clokep> Ah I see.
23:50:46 <flo> the more I think about it, the more I feel this is useless
23:50:55 <flo> if the conversation type matters, the command should just test it
23:51:04 <flo> as the conversation is given as an argument...
23:55:40 <flo> I hope this comment in bug 686 clarifies things
23:55:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement default chat name for getChatRoomDefaultFieldValues for js-proto
23:58:08 <flo> clokep: do you know how the next patch will look already? If you have questions ask soon, I'll probably be in my bed in less than 10 minutes
23:58:47 <clokep> One second. :)
23:58:51 <clokep> On the phone.
23:58:53 <clokep> Won't have it up before then.
23:59:41 <flo> sure, I'd just like to know if my comment helps or confuses things even more :)