#instantbird log on 01 25 2011

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04:26:47 <clokep> Mathnerd314: Sorry, no one seemed to be here before! "Easy" depends on how much you know though. :) Did you check out the list of open bugs?
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04:43:01 <Mook> or if there's some bug that annoys you, that's often a good way to start. more drive :)
04:47:07 <clokep> Yes, that's always good too. :) You can also search Bugzilla for "minor" or "trivial" bugs..but that's sometimes a lie. :(
04:52:22 <Mook> so irc-javascript is trivial, right? ;)
04:53:09 <clokep> Hahah, I think it's marked as "enhancement" actually. :)
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05:03:33 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 500 to bug 637.
05:03:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 500 on bug 637.
05:03:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove code duplication from conversation.xml
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06:32:25 <Mic> Good morning
06:36:41 <DGMurdockIII> hi
06:39:38 <DGMurdockIII> mic, update bug is back
06:41:25 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): http://i55.tinypic.com/rclhkh.png
06:41:25 <DGMurdockIII> 2(micahg2): http://i55.tinypic.com/rclhkh.png
06:42:29 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: I know this dialog but I can't reproduce your problem, so there is nothing I can do about it
06:43:41 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird is still running when i get the update
06:43:48 <DGMurdockIII> in task mangerr
06:43:57 <DGMurdockIII> i mean
06:44:07 <DGMurdockIII> when i get error
06:44:38 <DGMurdockIII> i can see in stantbird.exe is still running
06:44:49 <DGMurdockIII> i dont now if that helps
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06:48:57 <DGMurdockIII> now this is what happened http://i55.tinypic.com/2a3fw1.png
06:49:43 <Mic> Yes, you said that before. That's Even's "partial update failed" bug iirc
06:50:52 <DGMurdockIII> i not sure but my might get suloved if that gets fixed but i highlt dought it
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06:51:18 <DGMurdockIII> highly
06:52:20 <DGMurdockIII> Error: gBuddyListContextMenu is null
06:52:20 <DGMurdockIII> Source File: chrome://instantbird/content/blist.xul
06:52:20 <DGMurdockIII> Line: 1
06:53:06 <DGMurdockIII> when you show offline buddies
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07:47:26 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: is it like described in bug 337?
07:47:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy list context menu broken on Mac debug build when the buddy list is not focused
07:47:40 <DGMurdockIII> no
07:51:06 <Mic> If it's a different bug then you can file a new one, telling on which configuration it occurs and how it can be reproduced
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09:03:37 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 486 on bug 628.
09:03:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628 nor, --, ---, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, ASSI, Unable to accept IRC invite
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11:04:42 <sabret00the> Last night Mathnerd314 asked for some easy bugs. Perhaps we can do what BMO have started doing and marking some of the bugs on the roadmap with [good first bug] as a keyword.
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11:11:08 <Mic> Yes, we discussed this also because clokep is preparing a blog posting asking people to join as contributors. Such a keyword would help them to find other good bugs if they like
11:18:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 663 filed by sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk.
11:18:58 <instantbot> sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk added attachment 501 to bug 663.
11:18:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Implement alerts tab on buddy list for notifications and alerts
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11:21:49 <sabret00the> Bug 663 should block bug 151, bug 606, bug 628 and probably a bunch more.
11:21:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Implement alerts tab on buddy list for notifications and alerts
11:21:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151 enh, --, 0.3, nobody, NEW, Create a Tray Icon. SINGLE-click on tray icon opens and closes Instantbird.
11:21:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Provide mail notifications in buddy window
11:21:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628 nor, --, ---, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, ASSI, Unable to accept IRC invite
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11:22:24 <iLobster> Greetings
11:23:02 <sabret00the> libpurple already has all the hooks required to make bug 606 a reality
11:23:14 <sabret00the> Hey iLobster :)
11:27:27 <iLobster> I'm using Windows 7 and have icon (shortcut) of Instantbird in windows 7 taskbar. But today after update when i start Instantbird - instabird makes new set of windows/icons not on the place of original shortcut.
11:28:53 <iLobster> Just curious is it (feature/bug) at my side only
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11:41:47 <Mic> What about a separate bug about displaying events+requests (and a history thereof?) somewhere (since flo and you seem to disagree how it should be realised)?
11:41:59 <Mic> Your bug could be a suggestion how to solve this problem actually then
11:42:36 <Mic> I think I did mockups for both one day, let me look it up
11:43:29 <Mic> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Brainstorm:general_brainstorming#Event_history
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11:51:52 <sabret00the> https://wiki.instantbird.org/images/7/70/Eventlist.png sems to be quite close to what I'm suggesting.
11:54:12 <sabret00the> However, the events list seems to be adding more than what I'd think is required. All that logging is just creating more memory consumption than need be.
11:57:40 <Mic> If you like something fancy: https://wiki.instantbird.org/File:FancyTimeline.png
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12:01:26 <sabret00the> It's a much more elegant approach, but do we really need an event log? Shouldn't something like that be left for an extension?
12:02:40 <sabret00the> But we definitely need chat logs. Perhaps presenting the chat logs like  that wouldn't be a bad thing
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12:46:40 <Mic> I think the difference is that you call it alert and I call it events ;)
12:46:45 <Mic> *alerts
12:47:07 <Mic> You could have clickable email icons in such a thing as well
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13:12:55 <yoh> hello
13:13:13 <Mic> hi
13:13:42 <yoh> i try to obserse "conversation-closed" or "conversation-left-chat"
13:14:07 <yoh> like I observe "conversation-loaded" or "new-text"
13:14:52 <yoh> but it doesn't work :/
13:16:04 <yoh> How observe the close event of a conversation
13:16:08 <yoh> ?
13:16:20 <yoh> (sorry I'm french...)
13:16:46 <Mic> Don't worry, I understood :)
13:16:53 <Mic> Which version of Instantbird are you using?
13:16:59 <yoh> 0.2
13:18:32 <Mic> hmm, I can't find them in the list of notifications :S
13:18:39 <Mic> For 0.2: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Notifications
13:18:40 <yoh> the event "new-conversation" works too
13:18:59 <Mic> For the nightly builds it is this one: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Notifications:trunk
13:20:33 <yoh> HUm ok, I thought it was only exemples...
13:21:52 <yoh> thanks
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13:22:57 <yoh> but the logger observe the "conversation-closed"
13:22:59 <yoh> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=conversation-closed
13:24:07 <yoh> there are not the sames events between logger and the other ?
13:24:27 <Mic> I think the logger added after 0.2?
13:24:31 <Mic> Let me check
13:28:05 <Mic> 0.2 was released 25th of July, js-proto branch that contains the new logger was merged into trunk one day later
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13:31:33 <yoh> ok so conversation-closed could be observe in 0.3 ?
13:31:46 <yoh> yes i see it in https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Notifications:trunk
13:32:57 <yoh> thanks !
13:34:47 <Mic> give me a minute
13:34:59 <Mic> I have some error-console hackery going on to try it ;)
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13:47:55 <Mic> I don't think it works
13:48:26 <yoh> :/
13:48:37 <Mic> You better ask flo about this
13:48:46 <yoh> yes ok
13:48:56 <yoh> i will do that
13:49:12 <yoh> thank you
13:50:19 <Mic> If you need to quickly try to observe a notification, try this: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/531
13:50:43 <Mic> Just copy and paste it to the error console and change the value of variable notificationType to what you need to check
13:51:14 <Mic> I've got something like that for observing conversation notification as well but it's twice as long :S
13:53:30 <yoh> yes it works fine :)
13:53:47 <yoh> it will help me
13:54:11 <Mic> :)
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14:26:34 <clokep> I also have a new icon on Windows 7 (and it's not showing the nightly icon, it's showing the "real" icon?)
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16:20:31 <Mic> Would be nice if you were finished as soon as things were working the first time ;) Bringing stuff into a publishable form takes so much time...
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16:34:02 <igorko> hi
16:34:08 <clokep> Hello.
16:34:55 <igorko> any localization related fixes are planed? Because Bug 659 - Missing accesskey for 'Sign-on at startup' checkbox in the accounts manager broke my locale support :(
16:34:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659 min, --, 0.3a1, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Missing accesskey for "Sign-on at startup" checkbox
16:35:47 <igorko> don't want to commit such minor change
16:36:33 <clokep> igorko: I don't know of any other ones that are planned right now, no. Small localization fixes like that tend to be fixed very quickly (usually by Mic, who finds them), since they're simple patches.
16:37:50 <igorko> ok i'll wait some days
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17:42:57 <igorko> guys can use /whois in instantbird
17:43:02 <igorko> known?
17:43:07 <igorko> can't*
17:43:34 <clokep> No, you can't currently.
17:43:50 <igorko> so it's app bug?
17:44:06 <igorko> i see
17:44:17 <clokep> I'm not sure exactly what aspect of it is a bug. ;)
17:44:34 <clokep> If it's a protocol or a libpurple or a purplexpcom bug.
17:44:38 <clokep> I'll be back in a second.
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17:45:09 <igorko> i can tset in pidgin 2.7.9
17:45:13 <igorko> test
17:45:16 <igorko> if needed
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17:49:26 <clokep> Test what igorko?
17:50:29 <igorko> if whois works in pidgin
17:50:35 <clokep> Oh, I'm sure it does.
17:50:44 <igorko> and so :)
17:50:48 <igorko> i
17:51:08 <igorko> but than it's not libpurple problem
17:51:09 <clokep> What I meant is I'm not sure why Instantbird doesn't -- if it's the way the protocol returns it for some reason or if part of the libpurple core isn't transferred into purplexpcom. Check if we have a bug on it?
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18:03:46 <igorko> are you here Even?
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18:26:47 <internet_user> skype supported?
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18:31:34 <clokep> internet_user: No, no 3rd party IM programs support Skype.
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19:09:21 <DGMurdockIII> clokep, i thnk skype could be added dor just sending im to other skype users
19:10:58 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: I don't remember if sending IMs over the Skype network is feasible without Skype running in the background, video chat is not.
19:13:36 <DGMurdockIII> only one way to fine out
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19:17:56 <clokep> What way would that be? :P
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19:19:15 <DGMurdockIII> i ment look it up withch i was ggoing to do witch i will do
19:19:19 <DGMurdockIII> right know
19:20:44 <clokep> OK. :) I tried to find it at one point...but I don't remember if I just didn't find anything or if I forgot what I found. :( Haha.
19:21:49 <DGMurdockIII> http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~salman/skype/index.html
19:22:01 <DGMurdockIII> that has a ton of info
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19:23:29 <clokep> That has a ton of info on the raw protocol....which AFAIK cannot be reimplemented.
19:23:46 <clokep> But I don't know for sure.
19:27:58 <clokep> Everything is super encrypted, so it pretty much has to use the Skype executable. I know you can get information about buddies online via a website though.
19:28:17 <clokep> I was hoping SkypeKit would be released or at least have more information available now.
19:29:09 <DGMurdockIII> yeah this look like somthin g that could be used http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~salman/publications/openvoip-sigcomm08.pdf
19:29:56 <DGMurdockIII> http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~salman/peer/index.html
19:33:27 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: That seems to be a separate network that was created? I'm not sure what it has to do w/ Skype?
19:33:41 <DGMurdockIII> i now
19:33:58 <DGMurdockIII> might be somthing that can be used for voip
19:35:07 <clokep> Ah possibly....but it would be limited to others who use it as well.
19:35:42 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
19:36:53 <DGMurdockIII> but i still think it to early to look at voip support unless someone wants to work on support for and add it
19:39:05 <clokep> I'd be interested in it a little bit, but we'd have to expose some more libpurple APIs and such...but I'm working on enough right now.
19:40:28 <clokep> We do have a bug on it. :)
19:41:27 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
19:42:09 <DGMurdockIII> do you use the lastest firefox beta
19:42:14 <clokep> bug 568, bug 563
19:42:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Audio/Video Support
19:42:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Skype protocol plugin
19:42:21 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: I use Firefox nightlies.
19:42:26 <clokep> (Minefield)
19:43:16 <DGMurdockIII> have you use google chrome
19:43:59 <clokep> A very very long time ago.
19:44:44 <DGMurdockIII> dose the verson of minefield you are using have silent update feature
19:44:51 <clokep> Yes.
19:45:44 <DGMurdockIII> what do you think about adding that to Instantbird
19:46:04 <clokep> I'd be OK w/ it. Doesn't really bother me either way.
19:46:08 <DGMurdockIII> if it even posable
19:46:18 <DGMurdockIII> im not bothered
19:46:22 <DGMurdockIII> eather
19:46:36 <clokep> It should be possible if Firefox does it. :P
19:46:59 <DGMurdockIII> yah i just think it make the app more streamlined
19:47:35 <DGMurdockIII> and what about https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=463
19:48:14 <DGMurdockIII> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632
19:48:17 <instantbot> Bug 632 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Menu Review
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19:49:02 <clokep> I'm fine w/ that. I'm using the Bucktooth extension right now and it's nice...I think flo would be OK w/ something like that...but someone needs to make the patch.
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19:50:16 <DGMurdockIII> Bucktooth extension what that do
19:51:53 <clokep> Oops, I guess it's not in there, let me find a link.
19:51:57 <clokep> Ah, see bug 603.
19:52:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Instantbird Button
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19:58:23 <clokep> It pretty much just adds the button there.
20:05:58 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 664 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
20:05:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, About link at bottom of instantbird.org is 404
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20:17:14 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 502 to bug 664.
20:17:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 502 on bug 664.
20:17:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, About link at bottom of instantbird.org is 404
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20:42:34 <Mic> clokep: iLobster didn't file a bug about the duplicated Instantbird icon. Could you do that?
20:43:01 <clokep> Yes, my icon switched back though...and it happens to me on Firefox every once in a while too.
20:44:32 <Mic> I'll have a look at bmo then
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20:45:20 <clokep> (Mic I can still file it if you want...)
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20:48:18 <Mic> I don't think we need a detailed bug report if it's also a Firefox issue
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20:48:28 <Mic> I could image we'll get a fix for free sooner or later
20:48:39 <clokep> My thought too. It used to occur every nightly actually hahah.
20:48:49 <clokep> Now it just happens occasionally (always when there's a version bump I think?)
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20:51:28 <DGMurdockIII> http://instantbird.org/about.html dead , http://www.instantbird.com/about.html not dead link ; see the difference ;-) i.e problem
20:56:19 <Mic> Bug 664 already has a fix for this
20:56:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, About link at bottom of instantbird.org is 404
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22:24:54 <Mic> nn
22:25:06 <clokep> 'night.
22:33:26 <Mic> I wonder if you can talk to them or if the service only allows to see them online: an in Firefox friends list for XBox Live: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/xfoxlive/
22:33:55 <Mic> *in-Firefox
22:35:44 <Mic> Maybe this could be a potential protocol (I didn't look at the code yet but it contains no binary pieces, only javascript)
22:36:14 <clokep> Mic: I've wondered that too (guessing you got that via pmo?)
22:36:22 <Mic> yep
22:36:44 <Mic> There was more about restartless addons recently but I guessed you saw that too
22:36:53 <clokep> Yes. :)
22:36:57 <Mic> (the latter was unrelated to the things before btw;)
22:37:15 <clokep> Even not being able to talk to them it could be a good dogfood thing for putting buddies in the buddy list...which I haven't worked on yet. :-x
22:38:20 <Mic> Either way, .. good night now
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