#instantbird log on 01 10 2011

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00:43:14 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 473 to bug 520.
00:43:15 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 473 on bug 520.
00:43:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Unable to tell if a MUC is connected
00:48:27 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 474 to bug 520.
00:48:28 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 474 on bug 520.
00:48:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Unable to tell if a MUC is connected
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01:16:31 <Mook> hmm. reading http://developer.pidgin.im/doxygen/dev/html/conversation-signals.html#chat-invited it seems like I *shouldn't* be using the chat-invited signal
01:20:17 <Mook> maybe just hacking up libpurple is the most sensible way forward
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13:27:01 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 651 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
13:27:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Uncaught exception when trying to send message on a disconnected account
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14:21:36 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 473 on bug 520.
14:21:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Unable to tell if a MUC is connected
14:35:59 <clokep> Can't you just check for the disconnect also on that? :)
14:39:11 <Mic> Sure
14:39:42 <Mic> I only want to make sure that flo doesn't waste time on an unnecessary review
14:40:08 <clokep> Yup.
14:40:14 <Mic> I tried a few things but everything failed in one way or another
14:40:39 <clokep> Oh, I see. :-\
14:40:55 <Mic> 'The best' was a strange no-observe-method-defined error in accounts.js!
14:41:37 <Mic> while I added observers on conversation.xml only
14:42:23 <clokep> I think you'd have to observe the core for when "account-disconnected" occurred on that account?
14:42:27 <Mic> Or problems that looked like annoying timing issues (the method is called but the "left" flag is not set yet
14:43:11 <clokep> Actually....
14:43:27 <clokep> should the "update-conv-chatleft" fire when you get disconnected?
14:44:16 <Mic> It seemed to me that it doesn't
14:44:42 <clokep> Right, but should it?
14:47:03 <Mic> No idea, there's no comment on it anywhere
14:47:11 <Mic> Trying to track down possible cases
14:49:32 <clokep> I think you're misunderstanding what I mean. :) I don't mean "should it" by the code, I mean "should it" in theory of what it's supposed to represent. But good luck. :)
14:49:49 <Mic> Ah, ok
14:50:05 <Mic> I thought you meant a bug where it should occur but doesn't
14:50:30 <Mic> It's getting a bit unclear after a few function calls so I don't think it's worth spending much time
14:50:38 <clokep> Nope, sorry for the ambiguity. :)
14:50:49 <Mic> 'Interesting comment': http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/connection.c#312
14:51:08 <clokep> Haha. What does that even mean!?
14:51:15 <Mic> I've no idea
14:52:36 <Mic> If you look at it rtl it could be a kind of moving stickfigure with a baseball cap
14:53:50 <clokep> Oh, if you turnself sideways...yes, but why is it there? Hahah.
14:54:03 <clokep> s/turnself/turn your head/
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14:59:41 <Mic> I added |Services.obs.addObserver(this, "account-[dis]connected", false);| to the initialization code and switch cases in the observe method to handle them
15:00:12 <clokep> Does that work?
15:00:24 <Mic> No, that gives the accounts.js error
15:00:41 <clokep> Oh, I see.
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15:02:21 <Mic> I have one that is more or less working but it's much uglier, with an additional object serving as observer, self=this and fun.bind(self) things for a setTimeout callback and .. :S
15:02:36 <clokep> That's messy.
15:02:41 <Mic> Absolutely
15:02:55 <clokep> Hey, random aside -- did your |stuff inside this| show up as code before for you? :-\
15:03:04 <clokep> Oh, it worked that time...
15:03:09 <Mic> No, but I'm on 0.2
15:03:42 <clokep> Oh, OK. :)
15:07:33 <Mic> It's bugged :S
15:08:12 <Mic> |code| doesn't work for me when there's a bracket or a semicolon befor the closing pipe
15:08:37 <clokep> Hmmmm....I don't think it's a bug in our code though. I'll have to see.
15:09:38 <Mic> cancelling out words by -this- has never worked, had it?
15:10:45 <clokep> No, I don't think that's even supported?
15:11:19 <Mic> That's what I meant
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15:13:23 <clokep> Hmm...I'll cehck.
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15:15:22 <clokep> Mic: Yes, it only handles * / _ and |
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15:17:38 <clokep> Should I reopen bug 543 and file another bug?
15:17:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=543 enh, --, 0.3a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, Text Modifier for plaintext formatting
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15:24:08 <Mic> As you want to do it ;)
15:41:00 <clokep> It seems to be anything that's not [a-zA-Z]
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16:28:50 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 652 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
16:28:51 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 652 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
16:28:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Plaintext formatting breaks when string does not end in letter
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20:43:35 <flo> Good evening :)
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20:47:30 <Mook> hey :) got your car?
20:51:39 <flo> yep!
20:53:20 <flo> I'm exhausted ;)
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20:53:39 <flo> I drove it for about 24 hours (not in one day of course)
20:59:25 <Mook> note to self: flo may be a robot, possibly bent on world domination or at least destruction
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21:10:28 <flo> Mook: what do you mean by http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m11 ?
21:10:48 <Mook> flo: "If zero is returned, the default behavior will be maintained: the user will be prompted."
21:11:01 <Mook> which means that it's meant to implement non-default behaviour...
21:11:30 <Mook> (I'm also trying to make sure, for example, that a plugin that tried to handle the same signal will always happen before our code)
21:12:26 <flo> hmm
21:12:45 <flo> you mean a plugin installed in Instantbird by originally designed for libpurple?
21:13:13 <Mook> right
21:13:20 <Mook> or something crazy along those lines
21:14:14 <Mook> current WIP, where I just give up and hack up libpurple: http://sprunge.us/gIVP?diff
21:14:47 <Mook> (that code in initConv needs to move out to somewhere saner, but that can happen later when I'm sure this works and can think about posting a patch)
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21:17:47 <flo> I think I won't be able to give any meaningful/valuable comment on any code before having a good night of sleep ;).
21:17:56 <gaga> Hi guys
21:18:10 <flo> hello
21:18:12 <gaga> Why I am not able to use Facebook chat on trunk build
21:18:13 <Mook> that's okay, I just posted it in case you were curious :)
21:19:38 <flo> gaga: does that mean you can use it with 0.2 and it doesn't work only with a nightly?
21:19:38 <clokep> instantbot: tell gaga about Facebook
21:19:39 <instantbot> clokep: told gaga
21:20:12 <gaga> i didn't check
21:20:33 <gaga> It is saying invalid XMPP id
21:20:34 <Mook> if it helps, #pidgin had something about using xmpp in its topic yesterday when I hopped on
21:20:48 <flo> gaga: see what instantbot told you then :)
21:22:51 <gaga> i checked, now it is saying, not authorised
21:24:06 <flo> check the password then
21:24:12 <gaga> password is fine
21:24:50 <flo> if you have just set your unique facebook username, you need to log out of the website and log back in at least once before the username will be usable as a chat account
21:25:28 <gaga> In Trillian 5, i didn't need to log out from facebook in my browser
21:25:28 <clokep> Way for Facebook to fail at life. :(
21:25:49 <gaga> still, no use
21:26:07 <Mic> I guess they're not using XMPP in Trillian
21:26:14 <gaga> Is there any connect server?
21:26:19 <gaga> The field is empty
21:26:59 <clokep> Username should be your username, domain should be "chat.facebook.com", resource can be anything (but most likely "Instantbird")
21:27:01 <gaga> When i used Trillian for the first time, when i logged in, i popped an inbuild browser like window, and asked facebook to authorise trillian
21:27:01 <flo> we should remove all the useless advanced options in the facebook override for the next major version :)
21:27:34 <clokep> Do you not see those defaults gaga?
21:27:44 <flo> ah, trillian uses the facebook API with OAuth then :-S
21:27:53 <clokep> flo: Yes, please. :) I can look into it, can you file a bug?
21:27:57 * clokep is busy looking at apartments.
21:28:12 <gaga> i have activated the new security feature in facebook, where i can assign names for the computers i use and i receive an sms
21:29:00 <flo> clokep: I will file it someday (I added it in my todo list with a "bug to file" tag ;))
21:29:16 <gaga> oh, so i guess i have to wait
21:29:30 <gaga> for many days
21:30:26 <flo> gaga: wait for what?
21:31:15 <gaga> for facebook to be fixed
21:31:24 <gaga> it is not working
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21:35:38 <flo> gaga: maybe login out and back in is no longer enough to have the username really activated for the chat feature. It's likely to work in a few hours. Try tomorrow maybe? :)
21:36:07 <gaga> k
21:37:16 <Mic> gaga: if it's not working then, you can ask for help again of course
21:37:25 <gaga> k
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21:37:37 <gaga> I wonder why there is no SSL in facebook?
21:37:38 <Mic> Message me then and we can go through the setup step by step if you like
21:37:52 <gaga> Is it because it is hard for facebook to impliment it?
21:37:52 <Mic> Facebook isn't having a true XMPP server
21:37:58 <gaga> k
21:38:16 <Mic> The are using a different system internally and are only pretending to be an xmpp service
21:38:31 <Mic> That's why chatrooms with several users aren't working either
21:38:43 <Mic> (and so on ..)
21:38:50 <gaga> k
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21:53:57 <flo> picture taken just before buying it: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie6.jpg
21:56:05 <hicham> it is in a good condition
21:57:03 <flo> when looking at it from 5-6 meters away, it looks really great.
21:57:43 <flo> When getting closer, almost every part need to be fixed in some way :-D
21:58:03 <hicham> the tires are in good shape
21:58:32 <flo> except the one that exploded while I was driving I guess :-D
21:59:41 <hicham> oh, I hope nobody was hurt
22:00:19 <flo> I'm fine, and the car is too :). (only the tire is not ;))
22:01:45 <hicham> thank god
22:02:35 <flo> it looks really small in the garage http://queze.net/goinfre/ami6-garage.jpg
22:02:59 <hicham> hehe
22:03:33 <hicham> i wonder if a typical american could fit in there
22:04:09 <flo> I guess it depends how heavy the typical american is ;)
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22:05:08 <gaga> facebook chat worked :D
22:05:11 <gaga> thanks
22:05:34 <flo> you are welcome ;)
22:05:49 <Mic> Nice :)
22:05:50 <gaga> but i wish you could add auto reply with status when i become idle for example.....Idle since 2:05 GMT +4
22:06:00 <gaga> into instantbird
22:06:07 <gaga> like in Trillian 5
22:06:14 <gaga> You should compare both often
22:06:17 <gaga> and learn
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22:25:56 <clokep> If an American or an American car would fit in there? ;)
22:26:23 <flo> the american car would probably fit
22:26:34 <Mic> d'oh.
22:27:05 <flo> the garage was designed for a tractor ;)
22:28:25 * clokep knows some Americans larger than American cars.
22:32:33 <flo> the car can move only 350kg in addition to its own weight.
22:33:29 <clokep> 771.62 lbs. Nice. :)
22:35:23 <flo> is that enough to move the typical american? :)
22:37:43 <clokep> Yes. :P
22:40:50 <clokep> It'd hold like 4 of me. ;)
22:41:53 <flo> are you "typical"? ;)
22:42:55 <clokep> Eh. Idk about that.
22:43:05 <clokep> I hope I left you enough reviews to do btw. :)
22:44:25 <flo> I don't know
22:45:05 <flo> I haven't looked at the dozens of emails that accumulated while I was away (hard to believe I've been away for only a week-end :-S)
22:46:53 <clokep> :(
23:03:02 <flo> Good night! :)
23:03:34 <clokep> 'nigt.
23:10:09 <Mic> Good night
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23:19:04 <The_Tick> flo: the typical american will run somewhere between 175 and 250 pounds
23:19:27 <The_Tick> since most of us are approaching the average of over 6 foot
23:19:31 <The_Tick> that's on the male side
23:19:36 <The_Tick> female range is greater
23:19:46 <The_Tick> anywhere from 120 lbs to 250 lbs
23:19:56 <The_Tick> since the whole "don't judge me!" thing is around
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