#instantbird log on 12 21 2010

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01:41:55 <Mook_ib> sorry for the join/leave - I'd finish a feature, join, and then think of something else to change :p
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02:50:36 <Mook> haha. the AIO agreement says, among other things, "you grant ... license to distribute... solely in connection with Mozilla’s provision of the AIO Services."
02:51:52 <Mook> hmm. I should probably stick a license in things before I upload them
02:52:36 <Mook> is there a standard header for instantbird use?
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04:54:31 <clokep> Mook most of us use MPL I think?
04:54:56 <Mook> ah. the standard trilicense, or the mpl-only?
04:56:55 <clokep> Tri-license is what I personally use. Also what Mic and flo use I think?
04:57:08 <Mook> close enough :D
04:57:27 <Mook> not like this matters, anyway; it's more interesting to write code than think about licenses
04:58:13 <clokep> Me too. That's why I just throw the tri-license on everything.
04:59:00 <Mook> (I was thinking more BSD-ish, but following the herd is easier)
05:00:19 <clokep> I'm a fan of MIT...it's so simple. :)
05:00:47 <clokep> I usually use MPL for Mozilla-ish stuff in case anyone else anyone wants to use it fo rother Mozilla-ish stuff they know it's OK since it MPL.
05:04:42 <Mook> hmm. 40 line file. 3 lines of actually useful things. two of whitespace only. the rest is the license boilerplate.
05:04:50 <Mook> (chrome.manifest)
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05:07:02 <clokep> Ah, I don't put one on chrome.manifest. :)
05:07:43 <Mook> hmm. AIO broke at the upload addon page
05:07:46 <clokep> Mook: sometimes Bucktooth doesn't come up for me and I get the standard menu until I restart.
05:07:59 <Mook> it seems to have taken it, but can't go to the next page
05:08:15 <Mook> clokep: hmm. odd; I wonder if that means somebody managed to poke the menu before the binding applied
05:08:49 <clokep> The only warning i get about it is that there's no update url haha.
05:11:44 <clokep> Mook: I'm leaving, my computer might shutdown, if Callek is looking for me, just leave a message in here please and someone will see it in the log. :)
05:11:45 <clokep> Thanks!
05:11:47 <clokep> 'night.
05:12:17 <Mook> night, and will do!
05:25:25 <Mook> sigh, I need a preview image for addon nomination to public. how the heck...
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06:43:49 <clokep> Yes, the preview image is rather annoying. :P
06:46:51 <Mook> wait, I thought you want to sleep :p
06:47:29 <clokep> No. I went out!
06:48:15 <Mook> ah.
06:49:10 <clokep> Us crazy kids, ya know?
06:49:21 <Mook> I should consider doing that some day.
06:49:25 <clokep> I figured I'd just stay up until flo gets up, 24 hour coverage. ;)
06:50:23 <Mook> hmm. I should probably try to fix the not being able to accept invites thing
06:50:47 <clokep> Yup, there's a bug about it -- I'm not usre if I put any info in it or not.
06:50:51 <clokep> (Probably not.)
06:51:22 <Mook> I think you put the error that went into the error console in it
06:51:32 <Mook> bug 628
06:51:35 <clokep> Oh, idk if that's helpful though. :)
06:51:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unable to accept IRC invite
06:52:00 <Mook> (it's easy for me - since I've seen so few bugs, I just need to type "instantbird bug invite" in my address bar)
06:52:25 <clokep> Oh, look at that there was conversation in it!
06:52:43 <clokep> Yeah I actually cleared out all my history the other day (since I had like years of it...), so I could actually find things again.
06:52:52 <Mook> too bad you're trying to kill the server tab; otherwise it could just go there
06:52:55 <clokep> But now I have to get recent things back into my history. ;)
06:56:13 <clokep> Anyway, now I'm going to bed. Goodnight. ;)
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06:57:10 <Mook> night :)
06:57:53 <Mook> hmm. does that mean it was never implemented upstream?
07:06:03 <Mook> hrm, upstream just doesn't have that else block
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07:57:41 <Mook> hmm, purpleInit.cpp is 1.3kloc, I probably shouldn't make it logner
08:56:43 <Mook> flo: the windows build failure has been tracked down to http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/df3122f03328/gfx/layers/d3d9/LayerManagerD3D9.cpp (see 1.28 there); mxr was outdated. will know of a bug number soon
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14:53:18 <Mic> hi
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16:06:00 <clokep> Hi.
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18:10:22 <clokep> flo: Did you see that conversation last night that a clobber might fix our issues? Callek was having the same bustage on SeaMonkey.  Not sure if he ever got it to work.
18:10:58 <flo> I saw the log, yes
18:11:09 <clokep> OK. Just making sure. :)
18:11:17 <flo> the mxr-not-updated part is really confusing ;)
18:11:33 <clokep> Yes, someone broke something. :)
18:11:43 <clokep> Actually, I've been meaning to ask -- how often does Instantbird's lxr update?
18:13:56 <flo> every night
18:14:37 <clokep> Ah, OK. :)
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18:33:48 <clokep> flo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620669 should fix our build problem.
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18:36:48 <flo> clokep: cool! :)
18:37:08 <flo> Thanks for figuring this out (with the help of Mook and Callek :))
18:37:48 <clokep> Haha, I didn't do anything! I just happen to sign on IRC and Mook was like "Hey Callek, talk to this guy about it"
18:40:34 <flo> by the way, in #developers, I'm "florian" ;)
18:41:31 <clokep> Yeah, I thought that last night but I wasn't sure...and I didn't want to ping someone TOTALLY random. :)
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19:05:56 <Mook> flo: ping
19:06:08 <flo> Mook: pong
19:06:28 <Mook> I want to add things to purpleInit.cpp, but it's looking.. rather big
19:06:33 <flo> (will likely go get dinner in less than 5 minutes though)
19:06:47 <Mook> would it make sense to split it up into multiple files, probably one-per-*ui-ops?
19:06:59 <Mook> good thing it's a yes/no question then ;)
19:07:17 <flo> yes
19:07:49 <Mook> okay, great. that makes my life slightly easiser :D
19:08:24 <flo> although "one-per-*ui-ops" is not exactly how I would split it
19:08:51 <Mook> feel free to tell me post-dinner or something, I won't be getting to it soon anyway
19:09:01 <Mook> (about time for lunch, here)
19:09:22 <flo> we could put all the conversation related stuff in one, the buddy/contact list related stuff in another, the account/connection stuff in yet another, and probably the remaining mess could stay where it is
19:09:53 <Mook> yeah. I just thought that's how ui ops were split anyway ;)
19:10:27 <flo> we also use some signals for things that weren't covered by uiops
19:11:00 <flo> all the preferences code could go in another file
19:11:03 <Mook> ah, right, okay
19:12:04 <flo> and the difference between account and connection uiops is almost meaningless for us.
19:13:04 <flo> purpleCoreService is also quite messy, mostly because some of the things there are related to initializing libpurple, and some are related to handling the core of the application.
19:13:23 * flo goes away
19:13:27 <Mook> thanks!
19:13:32 <Mook> so glad I asked first :D
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19:24:39 <Mic|away> Ah, how nice
19:25:06 <Mic|away> Thesis is as good as printed (I thought that the first time as well;)
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20:08:16 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com cancelled review? for attachment 434 on bug 585.
20:08:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585 min, --, ---, tymerkaev, ASSI, CSS cleanup
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21:33:22 <clokep> Congrats on the thesis Mic|away 
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21:40:47 <flo> my dsl connection has been down for almost an hour already, so I don't really hope having it back this evening. I'm currently connected using my phone as a modem, but won't do that for a long time
21:42:16 <clokep> Sleep early then. ;)
21:42:50 <flo> yeah, I think I'll go read in my bed :)
21:43:01 <clokep> Good book?
21:44:07 <flo> I have http://www.amazon.com/About-Face-Essentials-Interaction-Design/dp/0470084111/ and a few others that I've started reading a while ago
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21:45:35 <clokep> Interesting. SOme light reading, eh?
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21:48:57 <flo> all right, good evening/night :)
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22:27:54 <hicham> nice addon from Mic
22:29:24 <hicham> I really like it
22:44:12 <clokep> Which one?!
23:06:10 <hicham> Buddy Status
23:08:31 <clokep> Ah, yes.
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23:09:13 <hicham> It looks nice here
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23:18:28 <Mic> Good evening
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23:19:53 <hicham> Good evening
23:24:22 <Mic> Good night
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23:49:31 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 638 filed by mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com.
23:49:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638 enh, --, ---, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, NEW, Split purpleInit.cpp into multiple files
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